$180,000 in loans not too bad?

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It's looking like I'll be taking out about $45,000 x 4 during med school. Unless I get into my state school off the waitlist which is just 20k a year. Living expenses are taken care off...don't need loans for that.


Call me optimistic, but I don't find $180,000 in loans to be that bad. I originally thought I would need to borrow around 300k, so perhaps that's why I think that.

Thoughts?
 
Sounds pretty good to me, I'm certainly planning on more than that
 
Well, obviously, it all depends on:

1. the rate you'll borrow at
2. current financials
3. expected income

Just remember, student loans are non-default, they will follow you to the grave if you don't pay them off.
 
I'm not in medical school yet (but I am an accountant), but from looking at a lot of posts on SDN it seems like $180,000 is definitely reasonable. Once you know more about the specialty you go into you will be able to better estimate your future income. I would definitely recommend living like you are in debt (cheap). If you can stick to a budget for the entire length of medical school and through residency/fellowship you should not have a problem paying your loans off. Make sure you begin paying them off AS SOON as possible, though, to avoid racking up unnecessary interest!
 
Well, obviously, it all depends on:

1. the rate you'll borrow at
2. current financials
3. expected income

Just remember, student loans are non-default, they will follow you to the grave if you don't pay them off.

Considering he is taking loans just about equal to the yearly Stafford loan limits then it's safe to assume the interest rate will be 6.8%. Most of the people who I know with loans (including myself) are looking at 250k+ so I would say 180k is pretty good.
 
I'm not in medical school yet (but I am an accountant), but from looking at a lot of posts on SDN it seems like $180,000 is definitely reasonable. Once you know more about the specialty you go into you will be able to better estimate your future income. I would definitely recommend living like you are in debt (cheap). If you can stick to a budget for the entire length of medical school and through residency/fellowship you should not have a problem paying your loans off. Make sure you begin paying them off AS SOON as possible, though, to avoid racking up unnecessary interest!

Yeah- this is all great advice. I never have taken out a loan so I'm new to this whole thing, so forgive my ignorance. Luckily, I have enough saved up to live on and am going to work hard this summer to get some extra cash. Bugeting is key.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to Internal Med route...hopefully to GI or something..but odds are I will work as a hospitalist after IM res just to pay off my loans and buff up my fellowship app. Who knows!
 
Considering he is taking loans just about equal to the yearly Stafford loan limits then it's safe to assume the interest rate will be 6.8%. Most of the people who I know with loans (including myself) are looking at 250k+ so I would say 180k is pretty good.


And our state also has a great loan program that chops 2% off the stafford loans if we keep residency...so maybe that will help.

And yeah- the number scared me at first but all my MS friends seem to be taking out 250-300k.
 
Yeah- this is all great advice. I never have taken out a loan so I'm new to this whole thing, so forgive my ignorance. Luckily, I have enough saved up to live on and am going to work hard this summer to get some extra cash. Bugeting is key.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to Internal Med route...hopefully to GI or something..but odds are I will work as a hospitalist after IM res just to pay off my loans and buff up my fellowship app. Who knows!


I am in the same boat! I have never taken out a loan and hate the very idea of it, but I know when I get accepted that will have to change in a hurry lol. I think we are both fortunate, though, because many people have to pile their medical school loans on top of their undergrad loans and I think the weight of all that debt would be too much for me.
 
It's looking like I'll be taking out about $45,000 x 4 during med school. Unless I get into my state school off the waitlist which is just 20k a year. Living expenses are taken care off...don't need loans for that.


Call me optimistic, but I don't find $180,000 in loans to be that bad. I originally thought I would need to borrow around 300k, so perhaps that's why I think that.

Thoughts?

Hmmm it depends....is that with living expenses as well?
 
I am in the same boat! I have never taken out a loan and hate the very idea of it, but I know when I get accepted that will have to change in a hurry lol. I think we are both fortunate, though, because many people have to pile their medical school loans on top of their undergrad loans and I think the weight of all that debt would be too much for me.
Quite frankly, the loans are one of those out of sight, out of mind things.

The paperwork to get them is fairly painless, in fact I was shocked at the ease. Then you go pick up your check at the beginning of each semester and thats it. You get interest notices at the end of each year, and aside from that you just kinda forget about it.
 
"Not too bad" isn't the phrasing I'd use... "relatively good" is what I'd call it 😎
 
Yeah I don't need loans for anything but tuition. I have money saved etc.


ahhh, If I would've read more I would've seen that lol. But I don't think thats too bad. I think it's awesome that you saved for living expenses. Kuddos to you! But, I still hope you get in your state school, esp for 25k/yr less!
 
Not bad at all. You can also try to get some scholarships in medical school.
 
Last I saw, ~180k (med+undergrad) was the average amount borrowed. So your situation seems to be around the norm.
 
This thread does a lot of good for my mind. I was planning on taking out 160-180K in loans (stafford), and do IM, and I was worried I may have trouble paying off the loans, and living a relatively decent lifestyle.
 
This thread does a lot of good for my mind. I was planning on taking out 160-180K in loans (stafford), and do IM, and I was worried I may have trouble paying off the loans, and living a relatively decent lifestyle.

Once you add the bolded condition to this, I think you change the question. Can someone take out that kind of money and service it in this field? Absolutely. Will it cut into one's lifestyle? Absolutely. The key issues with large debt (and unfortunately this isn't close to the amount some of your peers will borrow) is that (1) interest now runs during your residency years, so the nut is much bigger when you finally start paying it off, and (2) you may need to borrow more unless you are contemplating the thousands of dollars that are going to be involved in board exams and travel, interviews and travel, residency application costs, away rotation fees, books and medical equipment, etc. It's easy to say "room and board are taken care of", but there are plenty of incidentals on this path.

The current average for med school debt is reportedly $160k. Folks with preexisting undergrad debt probably are already over $200k. Then if you take into account that the average figure is tempered by a lot of people who have very little debt thanks to family help/working spouses, you can realize that a $200k+ nut is not all that uncommon. Cap that off with 4 years of interest, compounded, during a typical residency, and we are talking serious money that will take decades to pay off. Can you do it? Sure. Will it take a bite out of your lifestyle, particularly if you are working in one of the more average salaried specialties like IM, peds, psych, FM? Yep. Welcome to today's physician.
 
This is how the avg debt is 150k-


1) Avg student who takes out full COA..lets say 300k in loans

2) Legacy kid who rides his daddy's coat tails and gets accepted due to his dad + has him pay the full COA. He takes out $0 and still buys $300 dollar jeans and drives a lexus (yes kid I know in real life.)


300k + 0k / 2 = 150k = "average"
 
Can you do it? Sure. Will it take a bite out of your lifestyle, particularly if you are working in one of the more average salaried specialties like IM, peds, psych, FM? Yep. Welcome to today's physician.

If I get into state school (20k /yr) I'll happily be a hospitalist.

If I go to 45k / yr school and take out 180k, looks like I'll be a gunner going for GI! 😉
 
Once you add the bolded condition to this, I think you change the question. Can someone take out that kind of money and service it in this field? Absolutely. Will it cut into one's lifestyle? Absolutely. The key issues with large debt (and unfortunately this isn't close to the amount some of your peers will borrow) is that (1) interest now runs during your residency years, so the nut is much bigger when you finally start paying it off, and (2) you may need to borrow more unless you are contemplating the thousands of dollars that are going to be involved in board exams and travel, interviews and travel, residency application costs, away rotation fees, books and medical equipment, etc. It's easy to say "room and board are taken care of", but there are plenty of incidentals on this path.

The current average for med school debt is reportedly $160k. Folks with preexisting undergrad debt probably are already over $200k. Then if you take into account that the average figure is tempered by a lot of people who have very little debt thanks to family help/working spouses, you can realize that a $200k+ nut is not all that uncommon. Cap that off with 4 years of interest, compounded, during a typical residency, and we are talking serious money that will take decades to pay off. Can you do it? Sure. Will it take a bite out of your lifestyle, particularly if you are working in one of the more average salaried specialties like IM, peds, psych, FM? Yep. Welcome to today's physician.
Depends, I guess on your definition of good lifestyle. Going by the average salary of an IM physician, one can look forward to around $8,000. a month after taxes. Take $2000 for student loan payments, and I think you can live pretty well on $6,000. a month, especially since I'm planning on living in rural Illinois. Of course, you won't be saving much for a while, but it's for 10 years, and this doesn't take into account any spouse you may have who will contribute.
 
It's looking like I'll be taking out about $45,000 x 4 during med school. Unless I get into my state school off the waitlist which is just 20k a year. Living expenses are taken care off...don't need loans for that.


Call me optimistic, but I don't find $180,000 in loans to be that bad. I originally thought I would need to borrow around 300k, so perhaps that's why I think that.

Thoughts?

Thats before interest..
 
If you're looking into a sucky specialty like IM/ped/psych, consider the military HPSP.
 
I am already well over $200k in actual, real debt - but I'm closing in on the finish line. 180k sounds terrific.
 
If you're looking into a sucky specialty like IM/ped/psych, consider the military HPSP.

200,000 a year for working 7 on 7 off is sucky? I'll take that anyday. My uncle is a 35 yr old hospitalist and has the most relaxed lifestyle I've ever seen. He had 100k in loans I believe.


To me, sucky would be doing the military scholarship. I'm watching my friend go through that now and it's not pretty seeing his choices limited.
 
Financial analysis has been done showing that taking a primary-care residency with the HPSP gives you a better lifestyle through school and residency as well as potentially netting you extra money. The income cutoff is about $180,000. I don't think a fresh IM attending is going to be making $200k/year.

I'm not sure what "limited choices" you're talking about. I am already making the a priori assumption that you WANT to go into primary care.
 
Doesn't sound 'good' by any means ... sounds alright with regards to what loan debt COULD be. It would be like if someone said 'hey I can either punch you in the arm, or in the face.' Umm arm please. Well, this is definitely better than the face, but I don't think too many people stroll along in life, wishing someone would jump out of an alley and punch them in the arm.
 
But it's kinda fun getting punched in the arms.
 
Once you add the bolded condition to this, I think you change the question. Can someone take out that kind of money and service it in this field? Absolutely. Will it cut into one's lifestyle? Absolutely. The key issues with large debt (and unfortunately this isn't close to the amount some of your peers will borrow) is that (1) interest now runs during your residency years, so the nut is much bigger when you finally start paying it off, and (2) you may need to borrow more unless you are contemplating the thousands of dollars that are going to be involved in board exams and travel, interviews and travel, residency application costs, away rotation fees, books and medical equipment, etc. It's easy to say "room and board are taken care of", but there are plenty of incidentals on this path.

The current average for med school debt is reportedly $160k. Folks with preexisting undergrad debt probably are already over $200k. Then if you take into account that the average figure is tempered by a lot of people who have very little debt thanks to family help/working spouses, you can realize that a $200k+ nut is not all that uncommon. Cap that off with 4 years of interest, compounded, during a typical residency, and we are talking serious money that will take decades to pay off. Can you do it? Sure. Will it take a bite out of your lifestyle, particularly if you are working in one of the more average salaried specialties like IM, peds, psych, FM? Yep. Welcome to today's physician.

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