2 vs 3

[Geebeejay]

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Again, no one is saying you'll get rejected. But some people actually care about their appearance as a professional grown up. If you buy something that is actually "correct", it'll serve you well for years to come.

Sure, we can all settle for mediocrity if we want, but why?

but who are you to decide whether or not what someone wears is "correct"? /devil'sadvocate 😀

 

[username456789]

but who are you to decide whether or not what someone wears is "correct"? /devil'sadvocate 😀

Not me, but centuries of gentlemen before me and their ideals that are still recognized as the standards of practice. 🙂

 

[username456789]

No button for interview, interview with 3, but is it for 2 like 3 when you no button it to be for men, for 3 instead? or half is 1 for 2 buttons?

UMM HOW i word this... ok u take 2 buttons no interview for 3 if guy, so divide 2 u dont interview, u get 10 but for guy it no 3, so 2 would be for guy if u werent a girl ?

Wut

 

[tiedyeddog]

You guys are seriously overthinking this. My cheap suit from the Sears clearance rack went on four interviews and got itself three acceptances and a waitlist. Anything black or dark gray is going to work just fine.

I think the general opinion is to pick a slate grey or navy blue suit. Black is usually reserved for funeral attire but would be fine at in interview. I mean, if you're going to wear it after you get it you might as well go for something as versatile as possible.

 

[phikapdoctor]

A recent Harvard study showed that you are 72 percent more likely to be accepted into medical school with two buttons.


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[phikapdoctor]

I think the general opinion is to pick a slate grey or navy blue suit. Black is usually reserved for funeral attire but would be fine at in interview. I mean, if you're going to wear it after you get it you might as well go for something as versatile as possible.

A bad interview might as well be your funeral.


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[Geebeejay]

Not me, but centuries of gentlemen before me and their ideals that are still recognized as the standards of practice. 🙂

I guess things have changed....that's like 10 buttons. Dude on the right doesn't have any buttons. But I think I've found my new look for interviews.

 

[pre med 2014]

Just make sure to unbutton before sitting or they'll reject you

 

[image187]

why don't you just 1-up everyone and go with 4 buttons

 

[darkjedi]

Just make sure to unbutton before sitting or they'll reject you

Interviewing people who have their jackets still buttoned is actually pretty awkward

 

[Fivo]

Interviewing people who have their jackets still buttoned is actually pretty awkward

That feel when you look around the table during your interview day lunch and notice how awkward and uncomfortable those applicants are who are sitting down about to rip out of their suit jacket.

Whatever you guys decide, just make sure to unbutton it when you sit down. You will look constipated if you don't (assuming you're not wearing your grandpa's hand-me-down)

 

[911 Turbo]

I wonder if some tool had ever gone to his interview with a white coat on

 

[Shenanigan]

2 vs 3 button is kind of an age thing. 2 button works regardless of your age, but 3 button is more for the younger generation. The slimmer and taller guy is better for the 3 too. The exception is guys in their 60s and 70s who look distinguished in a 3 button.

On color...I don't understand the hatred for black suits. Some people say they are "too formal." Maybe they're just the trendy people on here. Black suit (that fits correctly- not baggy, but not skinny jean status), white shirt, and a classy/understated tie can go anywhere and fit in with anyone. A charcoal suit is also versatile, but definitely not navy. For young people who don't have a bunch of money to get a wardrobe of suits a black or charcoal suit is good. However, a black suit can be worn at funerals (along with weddings). Sadly that is something to think about in our 20s.

I dress how seriously I take a situation. A medical school interview that decides my future? I'd call it pretty serious/formal. That's just my opinion.

At the end of the day, dress in whatever way makes you feel most comfortable and confident.

 

[AestheticGod]

I got rejected for wearing a 3-button suit. I even unbuttoned the bottom button. So I now either wear a 3-button suit with the bottom button buttoned, or a 2-button suit with with all of the buttons unbuttoned, or either the bottom button buttoned but not the top button unbuttoned or the bottom button unbuttoned with the top button either unbuttoned or buttoned.

Is it weird that I understood what you are saying

 

[username456789]

2 vs 3 button is kind of an age thing. 2 button works regardless of your age, but 3 button is more for the younger generation. The slimmer and taller guy is better for the 3 too. The exception is guys in their 60s and 70s who look distinguished in a 3 button.

On color...I don't understand the hatred for black suits. Some people say they are "too formal." Maybe they're just the trendy people on here. Black suit (that fits correctly- not baggy, but not skinny jean status), white shirt, and a classy/understated tie can go anywhere and fit in with anyone. A charcoal suit is also versatile, but definitely not navy.

It's less about what you seem to think is correct and what actually is correct. Black suits are the MuscleTech of the suit world; the only people who buy them for interviews are the ones who have no idea what's going on.

Charcoal and navy are both great choices, and both very versatile.

3 button suits aren't for a younger generation . . . they're just accidentally used by young kids who again have no idea what they're doing and mistakenly think "the more buttons the more formal!"

A black suit will not tank your interview- mind you, as I've reiterated again and again on threads like these, almost none of these mistakes will tank your interview - but it's about knowing how to dress in general, and not making costly mistakes. Eventually a lot of you will wise up to the rules of men's business attire and proper fashion, and you'll be disappointed you wasted any money on square toed shoes, slip ons, and black suits as your first suit. I'm not saying a black suit has no place . . . it's just that about the only place it belongs is at a funeral, and thus is a terrible choice for a first suit. The order in which you purchase suits should probably be charcoal, then navy, then black. And please no 3 button suits.

 

[NickNaylor]

A black suit will not tank your interview- mind you, as I've reiterated again and again on threads like these, almost none of these mistakes will tank your interview - but it's about knowing how to dress in general, and not making costly mistakes. Eventually a lot of you will wise up to the rules of men's business attire and proper fashion, and you'll be disappointed you wasted any money on square toed shoes, slip ons, and black suits as your first suit. I'm not saying a black suit has no place . . . it's just that about the only place it belongs is at a funeral, and thus is a terrible choice for a first suit. The order in which you purchase suits should probably be charcoal, then navy, then black. And please no 3 button suits.

dat "sophistication"

 

[tiedyeddog]

2 vs 3 button is kind of an age thing. 2 button works regardless of your age, but 3 button is more for the younger generation. The slimmer and taller guy is better for the 3 too. The exception is guys in their 60s and 70s who look distinguished in a 3 button.

On color...I don't understand the hatred for black suits. Some people say they are "too formal." Maybe they're just the trendy people on here. Black suit (that fits correctly- not baggy, but not skinny jean status), white shirt, and a classy/understated tie can go anywhere and fit in with anyone. A charcoal suit is also versatile, but definitely not navy. For young people who don't have a bunch of money to get a wardrobe of suits a black or charcoal suit is good. However, a black suit can be worn at funerals (along with weddings). Sadly that is something to think about in our 20s.

I dress how seriously I take a situation. A medical school interview that decides my future? I'd call it pretty serious/formal. That's just my opinion.

At the end of the day, dress in whatever way makes you feel most comfortable and confident.

I think a black suit is absolutely fine for an interview, I am not trying to knock it. Most kids will wear one and be just fine. Also, most kids are wearing the first suit they picked out on there own and have no idea if it was fitted correctly, so that is not saying much.

My point is this; most people on here are going to be buying one, maybe two suits for interviews and they won't buy anymore suits until residency applications. Why not buy a suit in a color that is more versatile? An example is, black suits are not well suited for celebrations like weddings or even just business casual events during medical school. Picking a navy suit/grey suit will be more usable in more situations and you will get more wear out of the suit. Most people don't think about this, nor do they care, but while black suits are more acceptable during the winter as a darker tone they really tend to look goofy during the summer months. A grey suit does a great job of being color acceptable no matter the season.

And for people who keep knocking this particular attention to fashion, get used to it. Medicine is a customer service industry. The white coats are purely for show, if that tells you anything. We are judged on our appearances AND our performance by our patients and peers.

 

[username456789]

My point is this; most people on here are going to be buying one, maybe two suits for interviews and they won't buy anymore suits until residency applications. Why not buy a suit in a color that is more versatile? An example is, black suits are not well suited for celebrations like weddings or even just business casual events during medical school. Picking a navy suit/grey suit will be more usable in more situations and you will get more wear out of the suit.

Bingo.

The nice thing was that, on residency interviews, most of the 4th year med students had begun to learn what's appropriate, and I saw maybe 5 or 6 black suits during the entire interview season. The rest were navy/charcoal.

 

[Shenanigan]

The white coats are purely for show.

Only thing I'll object to in your post. Maybe it depends on the hospital, but everywhere I have been clinicians wear a shirt, tie, and a white coat while rounding or seeing patients, with the exception of doctor's offices.

 

[IlDestriero]

I interviewed for fellowship, and staff/faculty positions in dress pants and a blazer, and took my oral boards WITHOUT a tie on.😱
Success all around.
I know, your minds are blown.
I was also better dressed than nearly everyone.
It's about you, not the suit. I hate suits. They're like a (often poorly fitted) uniform. I stopped wearing uniforms when I resigned my commission. There's no going back.

 

[username456789]

Only thing I'll object to in your post. Maybe it depends on the hospital, but everywhere I have been clinicians wear a shirt, tie, and a white coat while rounding or seeing patients, with the exception of doctor's offices.

I think what he meant is that they serve very little purpose other than to perpetuate a tradition and the common view of the esteemed physician in the white coat.

I will say that as an intern, a white coat with pockets to store patient notes and such is helpful. But for the most part, white coats are about as useful as a necktie these days. That is to say, not very useful, but primarily for show.

 

[Shenanigan]

I think what he meant is that they serve very little purpose other than to perpetuate a tradition and the common view of the esteemed physician in the white coat.

I will say that as an intern, a white coat with pockets to store patient notes and such is helpful. But for the most part, white coats are about as useful as a necktie these days. That is to say, not very useful, but primarily for show.

Ah ok. I actually was going to mention that very few of the residents I see actually wear ties. Some of the more traditional (older) physicians get pretty irritated by it.

 

[IlDestriero]

Ah ok. I actually was going to mention that very few of the residents I see actually wear ties. Some of the more traditional (older) physicians get pretty irritated by it.

Ties should be banned from the hospital. They're nothing more than pretty fomites and serve no propose. When was the last time you dry cleaned your ties...

 

[Geebeejay]

Ties should be banned from the hospital. They're nothing more than pretty fomites and serve no propose. When was the last time you dry cleaned your ties...

No way, you should be as formal as possible! Stay professional! Ties for men and stilettos for women all the time, no exceptions.

Funny enough, one of our attendings wears a shirt (not tucked in), tie, dockers and sneakers

 

[tiedyeddog]

I think what he meant is that they serve very little purpose other than to perpetuate a tradition and the common view of the esteemed physician in the white coat.

I will say that as an intern, a white coat with pockets to store patient notes and such is helpful. But for the most part, white coats are about as useful as a necktie these days. That is to say, not very useful, but primarily for show.

Ah ok. I actually was going to mention that very few of the residents I see actually wear ties. Some of the more traditional (older) physicians get pretty irritated by it.

Yeah, exactly what I meant. They are just an indicator of status within the wards, exemplified by how most medical students have short ones while M.D./D.O.s have long ones. I tend to think they are sources of infection within the wards as many people don't clean them as often as they should. It is all about appearance and expectations.

I will say, as a medical student, I like the pockets but wonder if having them just gives me an excuse to fill them with crap some days.

Ties should be banned from the hospital. They're nothing more than pretty fomites and serve no propose. When was the last time you dry cleaned your ties...

I actually really like bow-ties for this reason, although I think no tie at all looks fine. I think long ties should be banned, as they have proven to be a source of MRSA and so forth.

 

[Geebeejay]

Yeah, exactly what I meant. They are just an indicator of status within the wards, exemplified by how most medical students have short ones while M.D./D.O.s have long ones. I tend to think they are sources of infection within the wards as many people don't clean them as often as they should. It is all about appearance and expectations.

I will say, as a medical student, I like the pockets but wonder if having them just gives me an excuse to fill them with crap some days.



I actually really like bow-ties for this reason, although I think no tie at all looks fine. I think long ties should be banned, as they have proven to be a source of MRSA and so forth.

Your entire wardrobe is a source of MRSA...including your precious white coat, your stethoscope etc.

 

[Fivo]

Your entire wardrobe is a source of MRSA...including your precious white coat, your stethoscope etc.

I think people mention the ties, because as he said, people really don't wash them like they do other things. You throw your white coat in the wash, your wipe down your stethoscope with some kind of disinfectant and what not. But when it comes to a necktie, people just throw it on a rack/hanger and wear it again with zero fuarks given.

 

[justhanging]

This guy never wears a 3 button suite. They are just plain ugly and absolutely not in fashion.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Your entire wardrobe is a source of MRSA...including your precious white coat, your stethoscope etc.

Except I hate the white coat, I change and wash my outfit daily, and there are antibacterial wipes for my stethoscope that are supposed to be used before and after touching a patient with it.

Or, I guess we could take the mentality you are suggesting and just give up on keeping hospital-acquired infections as low as possible?

 

[link2swim06]

Several european countries have banned ties from their hospitals. Also they don't let you wear scrubs outside the hospital. Forget what the article said their MRSA rate was...

 

[Geebeejay]

Except I hate the white coat, I change and wash my outfit daily, and there are antibacterial wipes for my stethoscope that are supposed to be used before and after touching a patient with it.

Or, I guess we could take the mentality you are suggesting and just give up on keeping hospital-acquired infections as low as possible?

I don't recall ever saying that. I was actually just stirring the pot....but:

You wash the casing of the disinfectant wipes after wiping, right? You do laundry every day? You NEVER throw your work scrubs or shirts or pants in the hamper? do you disinfect your hamper? Do you use a public laundromat? Do you change your scrubs before putting on your jacket? You change your scrubs before you sit in your car and drive home? take the subway/bus? You leave your shoes at work(I actually DO do this🙂). Do you wash the chair you sit on after visiting MRSA patients? the keyboard? Does housekeeping wash all of the equipment that you rifle through with your dirty fingers (they don't). The monitor cables (ours don't, I don't know why)? Are all of your contact patients labeled as such? Does housekeeping change the curtains between patients (god I hate when they do that, takes forever!)?

These are all rhetorical, and not aimed at you specifically, so don't feel the need to respond to each of them. We do our best to minimize hospital acquired infection, but it's obviously difficult, and I don't think we can label one source, such as ties, as the main problem. (though I agree that they are probably a huge source of MRSA/VRE)

 

[911 Turbo]

I don't recall ever saying that. I was actually just stirring the pot....but:

You wash the casing of the disinfectant wipes after wiping, right? You do laundry every day? You NEVER throw your work scrubs or shirts or pants in the hamper? do you disinfect your hamper? Do you use a public laundromat? Do you change your scrubs before putting on your jacket? You change your scrubs before you sit in your car and drive home? take the subway/bus? You leave your shoes at work(I actually DO do this🙂). Do you wash the chair you sit on after visiting MRSA patients? the keyboard? Does housekeeping wash all of the equipment that you rifle through with your dirty fingers (they don't). The monitor cables (ours don't, I don't know why)? Are all of your contact patients labeled as such? Does housekeeping change the curtains between patients (god I hate when they do that, takes forever!)?

These are all rhetorical, and not aimed at you specifically, so don't feel the need to respond to each of them. We do our best to minimize hospital acquired infection, but it's obviously difficult, and I don't think we can label one source, such as ties, as the main problem. (though I agree that they are probably a huge source of MRSA/VRE)

lol I think he knows..


Ties are a relatively easy problem to fix... all you have to do is take them off. Right?

 

[Geebeejay]

lol I think he knows..


Ties are a relatively easy problem to fix... all you have to do is take them off. Right?

Dude, it's totally not that easy. Trust me. I know. It's like this whole thing, and then the real decision....how many buttons unbuttoned? I say two, personally.

 

[def1]

The only type of coat that should ever have more than 2 buttons is a waistcoat.

 

[tiedyeddog]

I don't recall ever saying that. I was actually just stirring the pot....but:

You wash the casing of the disinfectant wipes after wiping, right? You do laundry every day? You NEVER throw your work scrubs or shirts or pants in the hamper? do you disinfect your hamper? Do you use a public laundromat? Do you change your scrubs before putting on your jacket? You change your scrubs before you sit in your car and drive home? take the subway/bus? You leave your shoes at work(I actually DO do this🙂). Do you wash the chair you sit on after visiting MRSA patients? the keyboard? Does housekeeping wash all of the equipment that you rifle through with your dirty fingers (they don't). The monitor cables (ours don't, I don't know why)? Are all of your contact patients labeled as such? Does housekeeping change the curtains between patients (god I hate when they do that, takes forever!)?

These are all rhetorical, and not aimed at you specifically, so don't feel the need to respond to each of them. We do our best to minimize hospital acquired infection, but it's obviously difficult, and I don't think we can label one source, such as ties, as the main problem. (though I agree that they are probably a huge source of MRSA/VRE)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16621140
Pretty good argument on why ties should be abolished from hospitals. While I must wear pants and shoes to work, and I must use a keyboard to document in the EMR, and I have no control over the blinds in patients rooms (and not sure they are a recognized fomite, anyway), ties are pointless relics of history that do not have any observable benefit. Shoes, pants, and stethoscopes do.

 

[gravitywave]

The only type of coat that should ever have more than 2 buttons is a waistcoat.

including 3/2 roll lapel sack jackets, or does that not count? I mean, it doesn't get much more "classic American menswear" than that.

 

[def1]

including 3/2 roll lapel sack jackets, or does that not count? I mean, it doesn't get much more "classic American menswear" than that.

the 3rd button is hidden under the lapel and pretty much resembles a 2 button jacket in its style.

I personally prefer 2 button suits. The only additional buttonhole I like to have is near the top of the lapel by the neck. But 3/2 roll is definitely a classic.

 

[Fivo]

the 3rd button is hidden under the lapel and pretty much resembles a 2 button jacket in its style.

I personally prefer 2 button suits. The only additional buttonhole I like to have is near the top of the lapel by the neck. But 3/2 roll is definitely a classic.

Yeah, totally read that wrong...

 

[gravitywave]

the 3rd button is hidden under the lapel and pretty much resembles a 2 button jacket in its style.

I personally prefer 2 button suits. The only additional buttonhole I like to have is near the top of the lapel by the neck. But 3/2 roll is definitely a classic.

OK yep we're on the same page then, I do love me some sack jackets tho

 

[dudeliness]

Yeah, totally read that wrong...

Bwahahahaha!

 

[phikapdoctor]

Buying a navy sports jacket next week any cheap nice recommendations?


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[tiedyeddog]

Buying a navy sports jacket next week any cheap nice recommendations?


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Your best bet will be looking at the sales rack at macys or another big department store. Sometimes you can score a good deal there.

 

[def1]

men's wearhouse has good deals

got a navy calvin klein suit plus tailoring for under 200

 

[phikapdoctor]

Thank you men.


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