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I know some people are interested in match stats... so I came across these for Upenn and didn't see them posted anywhere.
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This year, Penn Dental seniors once again met with great success in
gaining acceptance to postdoctoral training programs. The results of
the 2004 Postdoctoral Dental Matching Program were announced in
February, with 85% of the School?s applicants matching to a program in
Orthodontics, Pediatric Dentistry, Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery, or a
General Practice Residency (GPR).

Of the 61 applications, 52 students from the Class of 2004 were
accepted into one of the above programs. The results are summarized
on the accompanying graph.

In addition, 11 applicants from the Class of 2004 were accepted
to postdoctoral specialties that are not participants in the national
matching program, including various Endodontic, Periodontic, and
Prosthodontic programs.

This year, a number of Penn Dental alumni were also accepted to postdoctoral
programs through the national Postdoctoral Dental Matching Program, including seven into Orthodontics, four into Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery, one
into Pediatric Dentistry, and one into a GPR.

Heres the whole article plus the graph listing the breakdown.
 

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Geez.....these stats that Ivy League school put out are quite misleading.....if you actually look at the graph, 28 students out of the 52 students went into a GPR.....Same as the Columbia debate, GPR's really should NOT be counted in these stats, cause anybody can get accepted into one of these....Ivy League schools really mislead their students in thinking that its a guarantee if you goto their school to get into a specialty, but remember of what "their" definition of a specialty is.....probably not the same as yours.....predents beware.

76% in Ortho and 66.6% in Pedo is nothing to write home to mommy about and certainly not worth paying 45K in tuition a year cause you think it will give you some sort of advantage.......HOWEVER, 90% match rate into OMFS is quite an achievement. Looks like if you want to be an oral surgeon, Goto Penn!!!
 

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Interesting to actually see some solid numbers. I had always assumed it was true that if you shelled out the big bucks to go Ivy League you would have your choice of programs. From this article it doesn't look like that's necessarily the case.

For one thing they're including GPR like you mentioned; that is more than a little deceptive. Additionally they include alumni who already have a GPR or considerable work experience behind them; this skews things even more. After accounting for all those factors it still is only about the top 8-10% that match into the tough programs right out of school ---- which is pretty much the situation at every other school in the country. State school all the way, baby.
 
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UPenn Alumni also have played a big role in the matching %'s, they withheld the exact numbers who did.
 

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GPR's are counted as the "specialty" stat in pretty much all the schools. It's not just IVY leagues that do it, and this is because it shows WHO WANTS to go on to post grad education, and YOU STILL NEED TO DO WELL in school to get into a good program. While it's not a specialty, it does fit into that niche in the sense that many specialty programs would like to see their applicants with experience, like AEGD/GPR or practice. I do agree that it should just be its own stat, rather than included into the specialty pie wedge.

And yes SpongeBob, the school's name and reputation is probably the last thing the post grad adcoms look at when they consider a particular candidate. Scores, NBDE performace, experience, and letters of recommendation are pretty much what makes or breaks you. There are schools that have strong alumn ties with certain programs, only because the head honcho for that residency is a fellow alumn.

BTW, even if a school had 100% match rate, it in no way gurantees that you will match into a residency. Even if Harvard had 100% match rate this year, next year does not mean that you will match into a program. You still have to work hard, meet the requirements, and get through dental school cirriculum alive before you can even consider post grad. Never assume anything is guaranteed in any dental school...except for the fact that you're going to be miserably busy.
 

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Weird how the OMFS match rate is an outstanding 90% compared to a 76.4% for Ortho. Granted a lot more people apply for Ortho, but OMFS is very competitive!
 

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Just proves that Penn probably has mad hookups with OMFS........however, as you can see with the other stats, its nothing special, so other than OMFS, Penn really doesnt offer anything that any other school cannot. Take the advice of all the dentists on DentalTown....Save your money if you can.
 
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