2006 VCU Central

[ShyRem]

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macchina, let's hope it's not a long road at all!

 

[Orth2006]

macchina, let's hope it's not a long road at all!

Yup hopefully it will be a relatively quick process. I also assume they put a reasonable number of people on waitlist. In other words why put 100 people on waitlist when only 30 or 40 have a realistic chance of getting off the list. They should know from prior years what their turnover rate is and I guess use that in deciding how many to put on the list.

 

[gdbaby]

Congrats to everyone who was accepted AND waitlisted. I have high hopes for my SDN virtual friends.

My big I'M SORRY to all who did not get in.

 

[MacchinaDaCaffe]

Thanks for the warm welcome cfdavid!

I'm hoping you're right shyrem and that it won't be that long of a wait...
I interviewed in November and although the period between then and now has taught me a lot of patience, it'll still be nice to know ASAP 🙂

 

[Nas23]

Thanks to those who will withdraw. I just have a few questions, and am hoping someone has the answer.

1. Is there a reason why there is an accepted, and want to stay on the waitlist vs not accepted and am on the waitlist? Is it some type of tie-breaker?

2. How many people are on the waitlist? Did they cut it down to about the same size as last year?

3. Do you think later on, Dr. H or someone could tell us what our chances might be of getting pulled off the waitlist? (If we are ranked high, or at the bottom)

4. I assume, if someone withdraws, they just skip their priority score, and go to the next highest one for an acceptance offer?

5. I assume most of the waitlist consists of OOS?

Thanks 🙂

 

[goinverted]

I'm waitlisted too. CA resident.

VCU isn't my top choice right now so I will likely withdraw soon.

Good luck everyone.

Come on Pewl click the withdraw button.......you know you want to........it's just one of those things that allows you to have power over other people's future. Besides, Cf is still offering that scholarship and now that we're on the waitlist he has increased it to his first born child. 😉

 

[ShyRem]

Nas:
1. I have no idea. You could view this one a few different ways, but I prefer to think of it as "if you already have an acceptance, tell us we're higher on your preference list".

2. I don't think they'll tell you how many are on this year. Don't know how many were on last year either - the only figures I've seen are how many were interviewed and accepted (see previous post).

3. There have been cases of Dr. H telling folks if they have any shot at all or if it doesn't look good. I sent an email asking if my husband should look for a job in Virginia or not (but also saying I know she couldn't tell me where on the waitlist I appeared). I just asked if there was a reasonable chance of going to VCU. No word back yet. I don't know if she'll answer or not, but figured it couldn't hurt. I also stated VCU was my #1 choice and I'd drop everything else if accepted.

4. I think Dr. H said as people withdraw the list just collapses around that 'hole' created by their name being deleted. She does manipulate the waitlist a little to make sure the instate/oos ratio remains fairly constant, thus there is more oos waitlist movement than instate waitlist movement. Seeing as their waitlist is ranked, I assume they would just go to the next name/number on the list.

5. See #4 above.

Oh, there's lots about this process that we wish we knew, but that is a guarded secret. I wonder if the adcoms sit around laughing at us and shaking their heads at our behavior? Heck, sometimes I laugh at myself these days about this process!

 

[Nas23]

ShyRem,

Thanks so much for taking the time and giving me some great answers. I hope us SDNers get in. I just want to be a doctor!

I probably won't send Dr. H an email yet, will wait a little longer. But I hope you get a response and some good feedback.

Edit: Shyrem, could you let me know if Dr. H gave you a response. I know the waitlist ranking is not finalized yet, and there should be a lot of movement. However, I'm thinking of emailing her later to ask if I should be remotely optimistic?

Thanks Shy

 

[oneaat]

no, jbone, you're not alone. i'm also rejected :-( it's been a pretty rough evening, all in all.

 

[jbone]

no, jbone, you're not alone. i'm also rejected :-( it's been a pretty rough evening, all in all.

I feel your pain. **hug**
Keep your chin up, don't get discouraged and KNOW that you're going to be one hell of a doctor. Best of luck and keep me posted on your progress. 😉

(I just don't know who is going to keep this thread on page one from now on since I'm now an outcast. cf and inverted aren't capable.
I love you guys 😉 😍 )

 

[goinverted]

I feel your pain. **hug**
Keep your chin up, don't get discouraged and KNOW that you're going to be one hell of a doctor. Best of luck and keep me posted on your progress. 😉

(I just don't know who is going to keep this thread on page one from now on since I'm now an outcast. cf and inverted aren't capable.
I love you guys 😉 😍 )

Not capable! I'll show you not capable! I'll even wait til your knee is better before my 6'2" backwards oreo comes down there and dunks on you.

Cf and I, and a few others, will try to hold down the fort. I don't think it will ever be the same without you though. You were like the big brother that everyone could pick on but you never got mad, only got even.

Sorry oneaat about the news. I hope everything goes well for you through the rest of the cylce. At least you're not having your knee torn open Thursday like Jbone. 😉

 

[oneaat]

I feel your pain. **hug**
Keep your chin up, don't get discouraged and KNOW that you're going to be one hell of a doctor. Best of luck and keep me posted on your progress. 😉

(I just don't know who is going to keep this thread on page one from now on since I'm now an outcast. cf and inverted aren't capable.
I love you guys 😉 😍 )

yeah, jbone, **hug back** it was disappointing. once i got the news i didn't get in, my immediate thought was i hope that a bunch of people from here did. so good luck to all you oos'ers 🙂 i hope this thread continues to get some lovin'. i'm looking at you, shyrem.

goinverted - yes, you're right, i may not have a med school acceptance, but i have intact joints. i certainly appreciate that.

 

[tacrum43]

Wow. Decisions are in already! I've been visiting my family back in California. I thought they weren't until tomorrow night!

I'm on the alternate list too. Which was a relief. Phew.

I just have to say that having the word "regret" so early in the alternate list message was really scary. I was like "Oh, crap."

And jbone - a tragedy. 🙁 Hopefully the bad news is over now, and your surgery will go really well. 👍

Are there any out-of-staters that got in this round? And to all of us VCU hopefuls that are still waiting.

 

[JohnnyNU82]

HOLY ****!!!! I did it!!! I'm in! I can't believe it!

Greatest day of my life!!!! 😀 😀 😀

 

[Em1]

HOLY ****!!!! I did it!!! I'm in! I can't believe it!

Greatest day of my life!!!! 😀 😀 😀

Congrats!! Sounds like I'll probably see you there!

 

[JohnnyNU82]

Congrats!! Sounds like I'll probably see you there!

Congrats to you too Em!!! I will definitely see you there! I can't wait!

 

[cfdavid]

yeah, jbone, **hug back** it was disappointing. once i got the news i didn't get in, my immediate thought was i hope that a bunch of people from here did. so good luck to all you oos'ers 🙂 i hope this thread continues to get some lovin'. i'm looking at you, shyrem.

goinverted - yes, you're right, i may not have a med school acceptance, but i have intact joints. i certainly appreciate that.

oneaat, hang in there. This process is very arbitrary at times. I'm a big believer that it's a war of attrition where those with the most perserverance end up making it. IF things don't work out this round, I'm sure it'll happen the next time. I have a doctor friend that said that when she applied (she's like 45 now) it was almost the norm to have to reapply for the next year. She's an awesome doc, and had to reapply herself. Again, arbitrary.

Good luck guys. You too jbone, my brother. (at DMU)

 

[cfdavid]

Congrats to you too Em!!! I will definitely see you there! I can't wait!

Congratulations Johnny, and Em1! It's a great school and you should be proud. I hope like hell that I'll be seeing you there in the fall.

 

[FDoRoML]

Well, congrats to those who made it... congrats (I think) to those like me who will be waiting some more... and very very big hugs for those who didn't make it. I know someone already said it, but it is so arbitrary sometimes who makes it and who doesn't. To anyone not making it in anywhere this time around, keep the faith-- I'm a reapplicant and it's working out just fine.

And now... we will just have to keep this on Page 1 while we wait some more.

Hey, when is 2nd look for VCU?? Anyone with an acceptance interested in volunteering to take a few quesitons from those of us on the waitlist? Since most will come off on or around May 15, we won't have much of a chance to get any final questions answered before responding.

OK, I am hearing the theme from "24" again... like riding a roller coaster on a cold and rainy day-- they keep asking if you want to stay on and go again.

 

[goinverted]

We're slacking without jbone.

Has anyone had an update yet??

 

[Apparition]

Nothing here. They may wait some time to gather post-decision withdraws.

 

[ShyRem]

nothing yet here.

Funny thing is I've found out that four people I've met with and shared my hard-learned lessons have gotten into an allo med school this year. Some had better stats, some worse, but all have gotten into some of the same schools I applied to. Three of them to schools I didn't even get an interview at. My husband is a little pissed off at me for telling them how to play the game while I'm losing, but it's just not my way to not help someone else achieve their dream too. It's not like I gave up something or sacrificed myself. I'm rambling here. I'm frustrated. I feel like the girl who introduced all her girlfriends to people they end up marrying, yet am unable to find a husband herself (always a bridesmaid never a bride kind of thing).

Wow. I'm obviously feeling sorry for myself today. Time to take the dogs for a walk, I think. What a rollercoaster ride. 🙁

 

[blee]

nothing yet here.

Funny thing is I've found out that four people I've met with and shared my hard-learned lessons have gotten into an allo med school this year. Some had better stats, some worse, but all have gotten into some of the same schools I applied to. Three of them to schools I didn't even get an interview at. My husband is a little pissed off at me for telling them how to play the game while I'm losing, but it's just not my way to not help someone else achieve their dream too. It's not like I gave up something or sacrificed myself. I'm rambling here. I'm frustrated. I feel like the girl who introduced all her girlfriends to people they end up marrying, yet am unable to find a husband herself (always a bridesmaid never a bride kind of thing).

Wow. I'm obviously feeling sorry for myself today. Time to take the dogs for a walk, I think. What a rollercoaster ride. 🙁

Chin up. 🙂 Good things could be just around the corner. At least your dog walks are relaxing. Mine typically require yanking and a lot of "aw c'mon, STOP THAT"s.

 

[goinverted]

nothing yet here.

Funny thing is I've found out that four people I've met with and shared my hard-learned lessons have gotten into an allo med school this year. Some had better stats, some worse, but all have gotten into some of the same schools I applied to. Three of them to schools I didn't even get an interview at. My husband is a little pissed off at me for telling them how to play the game while I'm losing, but it's just not my way to not help someone else achieve their dream too. It's not like I gave up something or sacrificed myself. I'm rambling here. I'm frustrated. I feel like the girl who introduced all her girlfriends to people they end up marrying, yet am unable to find a husband herself (always a bridesmaid never a bride kind of thing).

Wow. I'm obviously feeling sorry for myself today. Time to take the dogs for a walk, I think. What a rollercoaster ride. 🙁

Hey Rem, don't get down on yourself. If it makes you feel any better, I had to practically convince two of my friends to apply this cylce after they didn't do so hot on the MCAT. Well both of them have been accepted to DO schools and who knows what they would be doing if they hadn't applied. I know how you feel, you just hope that there is some sort of karma in all of this. Don't worry our acceptances will come and then we all can enjoy your amazing cooking this fall!! 😀

 

[goinverted]

😕 On top of everything I can't post any pictures, not even my avatar, without that dumb red X appearing. Anyone know what is going on?

 

[Apparition]

Last year, the first person to get off the waitlist on SDN posted on 4/5.

 

[North Shore]

Hey, well this is my first post, I've been looking on the "VCU Central" thread for a few weeks now, I too am waitlisted like many you of and hope more than anything my name will be pulled off of that list. VCU is my first choice, and I have been interested in this school for a while, and share many of the feelings you have towards the school (the community, kindness of the faculty, staff, etc.) One thing all of us have done, is made this process more difficult than it should be, (I too check my email often to see if there will be an update), I mean this process can take all the way until late July. Everyone on this thread seems very dedicated, compassionate and persistant, qualities that are invaluable to becoming a physician, however we are all a bit impatient as well. One bit of advice I have come up for myself, and would like to share it is to go through the next months with the thought that I will become a physician no matter what, if not this year then next year. All of you have made it this far, so obviously everyone has stats that are "good enough" for the medical profession. If you go through the next months with this mentality, the day that VCU acceptance does come you will realize it was there all along and you didn't have to worry and spend much time worrying. I love reading this thread, so lets keep on posting, however patience is a virtue, something I am going to try now. I know it is hard, since this is such a big life decision, but trust me this process will be easier if we just treat this year like any other year.

 

[goinverted]

Last year, the first person to get off the waitlist on SDN posted on 4/5.

Actually when I was reading through the thread from last year it appears that someone got in the same day acceptances went out. They mentioned they checked their status later that evening and it had changed from waitlist to accepted.

 

[Apparition]

Actually when I was reading through the thread from last year it appears that someone got in the same day acceptances went out. They mentioned they checked their status later that evening and it had changed from waitlist to accepted.

This is a great post to follow the previous post

 

[goinverted]

This is a great post to follow the previous post

Yeah, it sort of reaffirms my ocd disorder of checking my email. But hey, a lot of us have become good friends over the last few months and this thread isn't just for crazy, stressed out, one track minded pre-meds, but for people to pass time and share in the joys and sorrows of this whole process. 👍

 

[blee]

"crazy," "stressed out," and "one track minded" are all pre-med pre-requisites. Can't be helped!

 

[madi]

But hey, a lot of us have become good friends over the last few months and this thread isn't just for crazy, stressed out, one track minded pre-meds, but for people to pass time and share in the joys and sorrows of this whole process. 👍

I'll drink to that. Let's not give up this support network as we inch through the next few months.

 

[FDoRoML]

I'll drink to that. Let's not give up this support network as we inch through the next few months.

Yep, me too... pass me that bottle!

Sure we all sound impatient, and yeah, I guess we are. But isn't that just a sign of our overwhelming enthusiasm for VCU?

We're not all on here to whine... we share other things, random thoughts, etc. And when it comes time to whine, there are hugs and shoulders to cry on. Kudos to everyone keeping it alive! 😍

 

[madi]

If anyone happens to be calling the admissions office for some other reason and feels like asking about the number of people on the waitlist (IS/OOS) would you mind posting to the thread?

Thanks!

 

[Mixtli]

Hey, well this is my first post, I've been looking on the "VCU Central" thread for a few weeks now, I too am waitlisted like many you of and hope more than anything my name will be pulled off of that list. VCU is my first choice, and I have been interested in this school for a while, and share many of the feelings you have towards the school (the community, kindness of the faculty, staff, etc.) One thing all of us have done, is made this process more difficult than it should be, (I too check my email often to see if there will be an update), I mean this process can take all the way until late July. Everyone on this thread seems very dedicated, compassionate and persistant, qualities that are invaluable to becoming a physician, however we are all a bit impatient as well. One bit of advice I have come up for myself, and would like to share it is to go through the next months with the thought that I will become a physician no matter what, if not this year then next year. All of you have made it this far, so obviously everyone has stats that are "good enough" for the medical profession. If you go through the next months with this mentality, the day that VCU acceptance does come you will realize it was there all along and you didn't have to worry and spend much time worrying. I love reading this thread, so lets keep on posting, however patience is a virtue, something I am going to try now. I know it is hard, since this is such a big life decision, but trust me this process will be easier if we just treat this year like any other year.

Don't you guys find it odd that the people who obssess 24/7 over this silly thread didn't get in while the majority of the ones with a couple posts did? GET A FREAKING LIFE GUYS!!! VCU is a great school, but 70% of posts make it seem like its their ADDICTION. I love reading this thread too, but being patient and hopeful is much better than stressing out and complaining. By inflating everyone's expectations and hopes, a lot of people will be heartbroken if things don't work out. It seems a lot people feel they are obliged to recieve an acceptance. No one owes you jack! There will be always winners and losers in this admissions game. With this said, I wish everyone on the WL.

 

[madi]

GET A FREAKING LIFE

Don't you have anything better to do than post your condescending and insulting rants on this thread? You might want to take your own advice, kid.

 

[FDoRoML]

Don't you have anything better to do than post your condescending and insulting rants on this thread? You might want to take your own advice, kid.

No worries. Typical Hopkins BME pre-med undergrad bullcrap. Take it from me-- I know this species all too well. Best to ignore the negativity. We know why most of us are here and posting regularly (no, it's not from the coffee).

 

[Mixtli]

Don't you have anything better to do than post your condescending and insulting rants on this thread? You might want to take your own advice, kid.

Where is the insult and condescension? I ain't hating NOBODY. I'm just reaffirming North Shore's post. If you want me to start being condesceding and insulting, I'll BRING IT ON.

 

[madi]

If you want me to start being condesceding and insulting, I'll BRING IT ON.

I sincerely hope you refrain from being this childish when interacting with your fellow students and future patients.

In my previous post I was referring to the fact that you consistently feel the need to come onto this thread and berate others for the way they handle the long wait involved with this application process. If you don't want to post, don't post. If you don't want to participate in a friendly and encouraging thread, don't participate! I am confident in saying that no one here particularly cares for your pedantic lessons on dealing with stress.

 

[Mixtli]

No worries. Typical Hopkins BME pre-med undergrad bullcrap. Take it from me-- I know this species all too well. Best to ignore the negativity. We know why most of us are here and posting regularly (no, it's not from the coffee).

How do you know if I am BME? You from from Hopkins too??? Most BMEs at JHU aren't premed, its around <25%. I got no negativity if you search my posts on this thread (I've wished everyone for a long time since October/November). I just hate when people get broken hearts because of over-hype (it just makes admissions game suck even more).

 

[gdbaby]

I sincerely hope you refrain from being this childish when interacting with your fellow students and future patients.

...and your CHILD (if that is indeed your child in that avatar).

 

[Mixtli]

I sincerely hope you refrain from being this childish when interacting with your fellow students and future patients.

In my previous post I was referring to the fact that you consistently feel the need to come onto this thread and berate others for the way they handle the long wait involved with this application process. If you don't want to post, don't post. If you don't want to participate in a friendly and encouraging thread, don't participate! I am confident in saying that no one here particularly cares for your pedantic lessons on dealing with stress.

Why don't you start hating on North Shore. I ain't the only person who expresses this sentiment. You are acting as if this thread is YOURS. It's not! So DON'T TELL ME if I can or can't post.

 

[ShyRem]

No, mixtli, you weren't reaffirming North Shore's post. North Shore was commiserating (sp?). How you wrote came across a little.. um.. hateful. I'm happy for you that you have people to share this journey with. Others of us don't. For me, my spouse doesn't understand the process, the premed people at my old college suck and give flat out incorrect information and I'm in a glide year anyway. I'm in a small town with just about no one to talk with about the process - this is my "coffee house" to vent, obsess, discuss, cry, celebrate. I have never said I was "obliged" to get an acceptance - but I have freely said VCU is my #1 choice, and I will remain hopeful.

Perhaps you should re-read your post and see you were rather mean. I don't even let my children speak to others like that. There are rules of polite society and I intend that my children shall be polite. Perhaps you should review those or take a refresher class?

And madi - just walk away. By giving into the taunts of a bully you make them happy. Bullies are like dogs - they behave better if ignored.

 

[Mixtli]

No, mixtli, you weren't reaffirming North Shore's post. North Shore was commiserating (sp?). How you wrote came across a little.. um.. hateful. I'm happy for you that you have people to share this journey with. Others of us don't. For me, my spouse doesn't understand the process, the premed people at my old college suck and give flat out incorrect information and I'm in a glide year anyway. I'm in a small town with just about no one to talk with about the process - this is my "coffee house" to vent, obsess, discuss, cry, celebrate. I have never said I was "obliged" to get an acceptance - but I have freely said VCU is my #1 choice, and I will remain hopeful.

Perhaps you should re-read your post and see you were rather mean. I don't even let my children speak to others like that. There are rules of polite society and I intend that my children shall be polite. Perhaps you should review those or take a refresher class?

And madi - just walk away. By giving into the taunts of a bully you make them happy. Bullies are like dogs - they behave better if ignored.

Alright, I may sound a little disparaging, but don't you guys think that by making this school sound like its da **** and constantly raving/ranting that it will hurt so many other people's feelings if they don't get in??? I surely will feel so if I were WLsted and don't get in. What do you think? A lot of people read this thread, not just usual members.

 

[madi]

And madi - just walk away. By giving into the taunts of a bully you make them happy. Bullies are like dogs - they behave better if ignored.

You're right, ShyRem. Sorry for giving him a chance to expound further.

 

[FDoRoML]

How do you know if I am BME? You from from Hopkins too??? Most BMEs at JHU aren't premed, its around <25%. I got no negativity if you search my posts on this thread (I've wished everyone for a long time since October/November). I just hate when people get broken hearts because of over-hype (it just makes admissions game suck even more).

Why would a non-BME be the VP of the BMEHS?? Yes, I am at JHU, but not the way you probably think I am. Hopkins is filled with pre-meds (declared or undeclared), including *****s who try like heck to put off PhysFound until senior year (which they refuse to allow now that they've caught on to the whole pre-med scheme). [my apologies to non-insiders-- this is a reference to a specific BME year-long course requirement which must be taken in 3rd year and they all freak out about it b/c it's supposed to be extremely difficult]

As for your assumption that you have no ill will and offer nothing but good luck:

Don't you guys find it odd that the people who obssess 24/7 over this silly thread didn't get in while the majority of the ones with a couple posts did? GET A FREAKING LIFE GUYS!!! <snip>... but 70% of posts make it seem like its their ADDICTION. <snip>... It seems a lot people feel they are obliged to recieve an acceptance. No one owes you jack!

This is clearly condescending (and if your vocab is not good, the Merriam Webster Dictionary defines this as-- 1: to descend to a less formal or dignified level... 2 : to assume an air of superiority) to everyone who has been posting a lot about nervousness and saying how tough it is to wait for a decision.

I don't think anyone here assumes that VCU owes them an acceptance. And I think you may just be vying for attention (which I have so graciously provided up to this point) by your comments. You are a walking contradiction if you continue to offer good luck *and* demeaning comments in the same post.

But, like I tell my colleagues when they complain about some of the immaturity they see in MS1ers-- they (and hopefully you) will grow out of it by the time you hit the wards... you will have to, or at least learn to put on an air of maturity for your attendings and patients. Either way, it will be more pleasant for all.

Sorry to all of you hopers out there-- I did not mean to hijack the thread with such a long message. (and I mean it)

 

[Salma123]

I have been reading this website for a while and have not joined any disscussion. But I am glad to see so many people like me just desperate to get in. I did not get an interveiw for any school, and the only school that interviewed me VCU, put me in the waiting list, ( I applied late) so u could imagine what I am going though , i am like going craaaaaazyy. I am an in-state applicant. IF there are any in-state applicants in the waiitng list let me know.
Please if you have any information , if you were waitlisted and got ur acceptance letter please let us know. God, can't wait till may.
For those who got rejected I really hope you got accepted elsewhere. Just be patient.

 

[Mixtli]

Why would a non-BME be the VP of the BMEHS?? Yes, I am at JHU, but not the way you probably think I am. Hopkins is filled with pre-meds (declared or undeclared), including *****s who try like heck to put off PhysFound until senior year (which they refuse to allow now that they've caught on to the whole pre-med scheme). [my apologies to non-insiders-- this is a reference to a specific BME year-long course requirement which must be taken in 3rd year and they all freak out about it b/c it's supposed to be extremely difficult]

As for your assumption that you have no ill will and offer nothing but good luck:

Never said I wasn't BME! You are doing a masters? JHU ain't full of *****s. I don't know anybody doing PhysFound 4th year to delay it. Its because only because of a study abroad junior year or because they failed it. Yes its a hard course, but then again, its curbed just the same as any science course.

 

[ShyRem]

Alright, I may sound a little disparaging, but don't you guys think that by making this school sound like its da **** and constantly raving/ranting that it will hurt so many other people's feelings if they don't get in??? I surely will feel so if I were WLsted and don't get in. What do you think? A lot of people read this thread, not just usual members.

Mixtli, VCU is my first choice. Was back in September, still is today. For me, it is "da ****". And I did get waitlisted. Are my feelings hurt by those who did get in? Heck no. But I am hopeful to get off the waitlist. We on this thread have truly tried to be supportive of each other, whether accepted, waitlisted, rejected, interviewed, on hold, given a secondary or not. I hope we continue that pattern throughout the waitlist movement.

🙂

 

[FDoRoML]

Never said I wasn't BME! You are doing a masters? JHU ain't full of *****s. I don't know anybody doing PhysFound 4th year to delay it. Its because only because of a study abroad junior year or because they failed it. Yes its a hard course, but then again, its curbed just the same as any science course.

OK, final reply to you here... for clarity.

1. No, I have already completed my grad degree.
2. I never said JHU was full of *****s. In fact, being here, why on earth would I say that? Most people here are awesome. If you actually read the post, I said it was full of pre-meds (including some *****s who...).
3. Of course you don't know anyone avoiding/delaying PhysFound for pre-med purposes only. The faculty squashed it as soon as they caught on and only allow seniors to take it for good reasons (failed, study abroad, etc).
4. I have never been in a course that was "curbed," science or otherwise.