2007 Match Lists

[noMDPHDsucks]

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It's no different than any other year. The majority 95% or so match, and a few have to scramble. Our match list this year has plenty of people matching in IM in both Chicago or NY. The majority of people I talked to got their #1 or #2 choice. I wouldn't really worry about the match list at this point in time. Focus on working hard over the next few years. Continue to work hard and put all you can into your education, and you will have many opportunities to match well.

How many derms/opthos/neurosurgs? Do you know where the MD-PhDs go?

 

[Dr. Will]

How many derms/opthos/neurosurgs? Do you know where the MD-PhDs go?

We had 7 of 7 in optho, 1 out 1 in neurosurg and no one applied for dermatology this year. As for the MD PHD's...I'm not sure who they all are, but the ones I do know of matched well, at their #1's.

 

[noMDPHDsucks]

Any plastics? Ortho?

 

[diosa428]

It's no different than any other year. The majority 95% or so match, and a few have to scramble. Our match list this year has plenty of people matching in IM in both Chicago or NY. The majority of people I talked to got their #1 or #2 choice. I wouldn't really worry about the match list at this point in time. Focus on working hard over the next few years. Continue to work hard and put all you can into your education, and you will have many opportunities to match well.

Matching at your #1 or #2 is also not a vaild statistic, because you cannot (or do not) rank schools that you don't interview at. So, if going into the process, your top choice is Harvard, followed by Hopkins, Yale, Duke, UCSF, etc, etc and none of them offer you interviews, you're not going to rank them. Podunk-crappiest-program-out-there could be the #1 on your list if it's the only school that interviews you. Likewise, someone who had lots of interviews at fantastic places could go way down on their list and still end up at a really great program.

 

[jjmack]

Matching at your #1 or #2 is also not a vaild statistic, because you cannot (or do not) rank schools that you don't interview at. So, if going into the process, your top choice is Harvard, followed by Hopkins, Yale, Duke, UCSF, etc, etc and none of them offer you interviews, you're not going to rank them. Podunk-crappiest-program-out-there could be the #1 on your list if it's the only school that interviews you. Likewise, someone who had lots of interviews at fantastic places could go way down on their list and still end up at a really great program.

this is a good point that a lot of people don't realize.

 

[Dr. Will]

Matching at your #1 or #2 is also not a vaild statistic, because you cannot (or do not) rank schools that you don't interview at. So, if going into the process, your top choice is Harvard, followed by Hopkins, Yale, Duke, UCSF, etc, etc and none of them offer you interviews, you're not going to rank them. Podunk-crappiest-program-out-there could be the #1 on your list if it's the only school that interviews you. Likewise, someone who had lots of interviews at fantastic places could go way down on their list and still end up at a really great program.

All I mentioned is that the majority of people got their #1 or 2 choice. I agree with your statement otherwise. But you need to realize that not everyone is going to apply to the Harvard, Yale, Dukes, etc. A majority of the people in my class are from California and only desire to go back. Another huge group is from the midwest, and have no desire to leave as well. Not everyone is interested in the top residencies in the top fields. I know many in my class that would be considered "overqualified" for certain fields and programs. But they felt that location was more important to them than anything else.

 

[45408]

Agree except I'd add that it is also going to be much easier to be near the top of your class at an unranked school than at a highly ranked school because the quality of the competition in the class isn't nearly as high at the unranked school. As you pointed out, a 35 MCAT indicates about an average type of student at a top 10 school but the same person would be one of the better students at state u.

Not so fast there. MCAT and undergrad grades are very different than what you'll be encountering in med school.

 

[JDMD243.0]

Not so fast there. MCAT and undergrad grades are very different than what you'll be encountering in med school.

Yes but they are both reasonable predictors of med school/Step1 success--and the ability and anal retentiveness of the students at schools. I won't go searching for the refs at AAMC but all else being equal higher stats = greater success in med school/Step1 = more competition at schools with with higher stats.

edit: I'm also speaking as someone who had a 2.8 as an econ major in the ivy league and a 4.0 as a molecular biology major in the big 12.

 

[kito]

All I mentioned is that the majority of people got their #1 or 2 choice. I agree with your statement otherwise. But you need to realize that not everyone is going to apply to the Harvard, Yale, Dukes, etc. A majority of the people in my class are from California and only desire to go back. Another huge group is from the midwest, and have no desire to leave as well. Not everyone is interested in the top residencies in the top fields. I know many in my class that would be considered "overqualified" for certain fields and programs. But they felt that location was more important to them than anything else.

And for the hopelessly competitive premed gunners out there, let it be known that the folks who pay your bills, meaning Medicare/aid and the HMOs, are going to pay you the same amount regardless of where you do your residency. If you're smart, that will douse at least some of the flames that burn in the hearts and minds of the obsessed premed.

 

[NCF145]

And for the hopelessly competitive premed gunners out there, let it be known that the folks who pay your bills, meaning Medicare/aid and the HMOs, are going to pay you the same amount regardless of where you do your residency. If you're smart, that will douse at least some of the flames that burn in the hearts and minds of the obsessed premed.

Hence the reason that most competitive pre-meds and med students want plastics or derm. Elective procedures mean cash and no medicare/aid or HMOs.

 

[Towelie]

Not so fast there. MCAT and undergrad grades are very different than what you'll be encountering in med school.

SAT, ACT, GRE, LSAT, GMAT, IQ tests, MCAT, USMLE. They're all the same. Good standardized test takers will do well on all of them, and bad standardized test takers will struggle on all of them. The correlation between MCAT and Step 1 (last I checked) is 0.6, which is HUGE in the statistical world.

I would imagine the correlation between undergraduate grades and medical school grades is slightly smaller, but still noteworthy.

 

[USCMed08]

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[morriske]

SAT, ACT, GRE, LSAT, GMAT, IQ tests, MCAT, USMLE. They're all the same. Good standardized test takers will do well on all of them, and bad standardized test takers will struggle on all of them. The correlation between MCAT and Step 1 (last I checked) is 0.6, which is HUGE in the statistical world.

I would imagine the correlation between undergraduate grades and medical school grades is slightly smaller, but still noteworthy.

Why did I score in the 97th percentile on the SAT and in the 85th percentile on the MCAT 🙁

 

[DoctorPLASTIC]

Why did I score in the 97th percentile on the SAT and in the 85th percentile on the MCAT 🙁

Increased Alcohol dehydrogenase activity!

 

[Towelie]

Why did I score in the 97th percentile on the SAT and in the 85th percentile on the MCAT 🙁

Regression to the mean 🙁

 

[JDMD243.0]

Why did I score in the 97th percentile on the SAT and in the 85th percentile on the MCAT 🙁

That's about right--the pool of SAT takers (college bound high school students) is probably less competitive than the pool of MCAT takers (pre-meds) so it would make some sense that you would outperform 97% of SAT takers but only 85% of MCAT takers.

 

[45408]

SAT, ACT, GRE, LSAT, GMAT, IQ tests, MCAT, USMLE. They're all the same. Good standardized test takers will do well on all of them, and bad standardized test takers will struggle on all of them. The correlation between MCAT and Step 1 (last I checked) is 0.6, which is HUGE in the statistical world.

I would imagine the correlation between undergraduate grades and medical school grades is slightly smaller, but still noteworthy.

We weren't comparing MCAT with Step 1, and the data for med school grades is a much weaker connection.

 

[45408]

That's about right--the pool of SAT takers (college bound high school students) is probably less competitive than the pool of MCAT takers (pre-meds) so it would make some sense that you would outperform 97% of SAT takers but only 85% of MCAT takers.

hmmm, I was 95th for both ACT and MCAT. yippee. studied a *little* more for the latter though.

 

[Towelie]

We weren't comparing MCAT with Step 1, and the data for med school grades is a much weaker connection.

The correlation between undergraduate GPA and medical school grades is .54 to .58:

http://www.aamc.org/students/mcat/research/bibliography/koeni008.htm

Again, that's huge.

Also, it looks like the correlation between MCAT score and USMLE is higher than I thought, at .72.

 

[JDMD243.0]

We weren't comparing MCAT with Step 1, and the data for med school grades is a much weaker connection.

Here's the reference...


RESULTS: Bivariate analyses demonstrated moderate correlations between sciGPA and the individual MCAT scores and between sciGPA and USMLE Step 1 scores. There were substantial correlations between individual MCAT scores and USMLE Step 1 scores...The base multiple regression model containing gender, URM status, and SciGPA accounted for 13.9% of the variation in USMLE Step 1. When applicant MCAT scores were added to the model, the model explained 29.1% of the variation in USMLE Step 1 scores. Finally, when institutional MCAT scores were added to the predictive model, .94% additional percentage of variation in USMLE Step 1 scores was explained.

CONCLUSION: Consistent with findings from previous studies, this study demonstrated that undergraduate science GPAs and MCAT scores are strong predictors of standardized test performances during medical school. In contrast to prior studies, this study employed institutional MCAT averages and demonstrated that their inclusion in regression models, as a measure of selectivity, can produce a small improvement when used in a theoretical model in the prediction of a medical student's performance. Regardless of how the average institutional MCAT scores are interpreted as a measure of selectivity, a measure of academic rigor, or a measure of educational climate, this study shows it to be a useful addition to the traditional prediction model used for admission.


Basco, W.T., Jr., Way, D.P., Gilbert, G.E., & Hudson, A. (2002). Undergraduate Institutional MCAT Scores as Predictors of USMLE Step 1 Performance. Academic Medicine, 77, S13-S16.

http://www.aamc.org/students/mcat/research/bibliography/basco001.htm

 

[morriske]

That's about right--the pool of SAT takers (college bound high school students) is probably less competitive than the pool of MCAT takers (pre-meds) so it would make some sense that you would outperform 97% of SAT takers but only 85% of MCAT takers.

I could just be getting stupider in my old age

 

[UMP]

hmmm, I was 95th for both ACT and MCAT. yippee. studied a *little* more for the latter though.

I was in the 99th percentile for both SAT and ACT and I didn't study for those... I studied hard as hell for my MCAT and I BOMBED it... 😳 Maybe I should just not study? 😉

 

[MrBurns10]

I was in the 99th percentile for both SAT and ACT and I didn't study for those... I studied hard as hell for my MCAT and I BOMBED it... 😳 Maybe I should just not study? 😉

Since when is getting a 38 "bombing" it?

 

[UMP]

Since when is getting a 38 "bombing" it?

98.8 percentile 🙁 I really wanted that 99 percentile mark 😉 and Anastasis no longer talks to me because I got under a 40 🙁

 

[UMP]

btw.... i have a huge tongue that ends up in my cheek most of the time

 

[Doctor Bagel]

First of all, not everyone in pre-allo is actually pre-allo. I'm a med student just as much as L2D or anyone else. Secondly, there really IS roughly a correspondence between "name value" and good residency spots. Everyone on these forums likes to cite specific examples of exceptions to things. If you read a match list the way I do [especially since I don't know what I want to do, so I'm not even looking at specific fields], you can make a very rough guestimate of a school's strength in the match. The basic assumption in all of this is that you average out all of those exceptions and all of the personal preferences that go into applying and ranking programs. Do folks put WAY too much emphasis on match lists? Absolutely. Do some people blatantly deny the truth and say that a match list tells you absolutely nothing? Absolutely.

Well, you're creating a false dilemma there. No one said a match list doesn't tell you anything. The general message from the cynics is that a match list doesn't tell you everything you need to know.

Also, being a first year medical student doesn't make you much better at interpreting a match list than being a premed. I've gained nothing thus far that would make me any more knowledgeable than I was a year ago about judging the relative merits of residency programs. Have you? I highly doubt it.

 

[JDMD243.0]

First of all, not everyone in pre-allo is actually pre-allo. I'm a med student just as much as L2D or anyone else. Secondly, there really IS roughly a correspondence between "name value" and good residency spots. Everyone on these forums likes to cite specific examples of exceptions to things. If you read a match list the way I do [especially since I don't know what I want to do, so I'm not even looking at specific fields], you can make a very rough guestimate of a school's strength in the match. The basic assumption in all of this is that you average out all of those exceptions and all of the personal preferences that go into applying and ranking programs. Do folks put WAY too much emphasis on match lists? Absolutely. Do some people blatantly deny the truth and say that a match list tells you absolutely nothing? Absolutely.

Maybe I've been watching too much March Madness but I'm starting to think that looking at match lists and making a conclusion that reputation has a significant effect on match results is like looking at the NBA draft results and determining that players get drafted based on their college's reputation. Duke, UNC, Kansas etc send a lot of players to the NBA but that doesn't mean that school rep is what got those players drafted. Those blue chip programs do have great reputations which results in great players being recruited to their programs. But it would be a mistake to say that the school's reputation is what gets the players drafted. The blue chip schools have more blue chip players and that's why they have a bigger pipeline to the NBA. Granted, Duke gets some players drafted because of the Coach K mystique (see Ferry, Laettner) and lesser known schools produce "surprise" NBA stars (ie Dwayne Wade) but really it's the player's ability that determines whether they get drafted. I'd say its pretty similar in terms of match with the Harvard/JHU/UCSFs having great reps that result in more blue chip med students attending, meaning they are always going to have amazing match lists. But it doesn't really make sense to give a whole lot of weight to reputation as a direct determinant in a particular school's match results.

Oh and Rock Chalk!

 

[Wahoos]

Here is University of Virginia's List for 2007. Enjoy.

2007 Final Residency Placement by Specialty/Program

Anesthesiology...Blaney, Evan James...Brigham & Womens Hosp, MA, Boston
Anesthesiology...Booth, Jessica Leigh...Wake Forest U Bapt MC, NC, Winston-Salem
Anesthesiology...Hsia, Hung-Lun John...Duke Univ SOM, NC, Durham
Anesthesiology...Im, Sung Hyuk...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Anesthesiology...Kowalczyk, Courtney Anne...Hosp of the Univ of Penn, PA, Philadelphia
Anesthesiology...Nguyen, Thuy Anh Ashley...Case Western Reserve Univ SOM, OH, Cleveland
Anesthesiology...O'Neal, Burke Lloyd...Univ of Iowa Hosps & Clinics, IA, Iowa City
Anesthesiology...Poole, Garrett Reed...U of California/San Diego, CA, La Jolla
Anesthesiology...Qazi, Aisha Anjum...Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr, MA, Boston
Anesthesiology...Schoenfeld, William Benjamin...U of California/San Diego, CA, La Jolla
Anesthesiology...Tran, Kevin...Drexel (MCP Hahnemann), PA, Philadelphia
Dermatology...Anderson, Heidi Flora...Roger Williams Med Ctr, RI, Providence
Dermatology...Bryer Groff, Bridget Marie...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Dermatology...Cool, Alicia Jean...Univ of Michigan Med Sch, MI, Ann Arbor
Dermatology...Kaufman, Elizabeth Dorothy...Wake Forest U Bapt MC, NC, Winston-Salem
Dermatology...Osleber, Michael Frederick...Univ Florida Prog/Shands Hosp, FL, Gainesville
Emergency Medicine...Blatt, Rebecca Jean...Univ of Connecticut, CT, Farmington
Emergency Medicine...Camp, Teresa Randelle...Virginia Commonwealth Univ H S, VA, Richmond
Emergency Medicine...Chase, Danielle Heather...Texas Tech Univ-El Paso, TX, El Paso
Emergency Medicine...Dovgalyuk, Jacqueline Morneau...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Emergency Medicine...Hudson, Michael Jason...Madigan Army Medical Center, WA, Tacoma
Emergency Medicine...Shukla, Anil...Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr, MA, Boston
Emergency Medicine...Taylor, LaToya Danielle...NY Methodist Hosp, NY, Brooklyn
Emergency Medicine...Tropello, Steven Patrick...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Emergency Medicine...Tsuchitani, Sara Naomi...Eastern Virginia Medical Sch, VA, Norfolk
Emergency Medicine...Williamson, Margaret Kelly...McGaw Medical Ctr/NW Univ, IL, Chicago
Family Practice...Beisecker, Kaitlyn Anne...Lancaster General Hosp, PA, Lancaster
Family Practice...Gray, Daniel Paul...Chestnut Hill Hosp, PA, Philadelphia
Family Practice...Neal, Lindsey Rose...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Family Practice...Ng, Matthew Elliot...U of California/San Diego, CA, La Jolla
Family Practice...Rettig, Anne Katherine...Tufts Univ at Cambridge Hosp, MA, Cambridge
Family Practice...Smith, Esther Rita...Eastern Maine Medical Ctr, ME, Bangor
Family Practice...White, Laura Lee...Mtn Area Health Ed Ctr-NC, NC, Asheville
General Surgery...Mulloy, Daniel Patrick...Univ of Washington SOM, WA, Seattle
General Surgery...Parker, Anna Marie...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
General Surgery...Scott, Christopher Dean...Univ Hosp Cincinnati, OH, Cincinnati
General Surgery...Thompson, Peter William...Emory Univ SOM, GA, Atlanta
General Surgery...Vaughters, Ann Byron Robertson...Hosp of the Univ of Penn, PA, Philadelphia
General Surgery...Walters, Dustin Matthew...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
General Surgery...White, Emily Jane...Medical College of Wisconsin, WI, Milwaukee
Internal Medicine...Anyadike, Nnaemeka Uchendu...Thomas Jefferson Univ, PA, Philadelphia
Internal Medicine...Baltz Jr., Joseph George...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Internal Medicine...Beers, Benjamin Brittingham...UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA, PA, Pittsburgh
Internal Medicine...Bell, John Fredrick...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Internal Medicine...Dreiling, Jennifer Lynne...National Naval Medical Ctr, MD, Bethesda
Internal Medicine...Ertel, Andrew Weidner...McGaw Medical Ctr/NW Univ, IL, Chicago
Internal Medicine...Fatemi, Omid...Baylor College of Medicine, TX, Houston
Internal Medicine...Gosain, Sonia...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Internal Medicine...Kebede, Esayas Beyene...Mayo Medical School-MN, MN, Rochester
Internal Medicine...Ku, Jennifer...Boston Univ SOM, MA, Boston
Internal Medicine...Mikulsky, Stephanie Bomba...Univ of Maryland SOM, MD, Baltimore
Internal Medicine...Newman, Jonathan Andrew...Univ of Utah SOM, UT, Salt Lake City
Internal Medicine...Nielsen, Erika...New England Medical Ctr, MA, Boston
Internal Medicine...O'Neill IV, Thomas Joseph...Univ of NC/Chapel Hill, NC, Chapel Hill
Internal Medicine...Oldham, Emily Elizabeth...Univ of NC/Chapel Hill, NC, Chapel Hill
Internal Medicine...Ormsby, Wayne Douglas...Univ of Rochester/Strong Mem, NY, Rochester
Internal Medicine...Pham, Luu Van...Thomas Jefferson Univ, PA, Philadelphia
Internal Medicine...Rivera Jr, Jorge Rodolfo...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Internal Medicine...Sandstrom, Lisa Beth...McGaw Medical Ctr/NW Univ, IL, Chicago
Internal Medicine...Sharma, Kavita...Johns Hopkins Hosp, MD, Baltimore
Internal Medicine...Sharma, Poonam...Duke Univ SOM, NC, Durham
Internal Medicine...Sher, Lindsay Anne...Georgetown Univ Hosp, DC, Washington
Internal Medicine...Springs III, Harold Leon...Wake Forest U Bapt MC, NC, Winston-Salem
Medicine-Pediatrics...Kwan Jr, William Allen...Univ of NC/Chapel Hill, NC, Chapel Hill
Medicine-Preliminary...Ghorbani, Tahereh...UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA, PA, Pittsburgh
Medicine-Preliminary...Milliken, Michael Colin...Univ of Arizona Affil Hosps, AZ, Tucson
Medicine-Primary Care...Atiemo, Charlotte Amene...Tufts Univ at Cambridge Hosp, MA, Cambridge
Medicine-Primary Care...Carlson, Adam Quincy...U of California/San Francisco, CA, San Francisco
Medicine-Primary Care...Chow, Mok-Chung Jennifer...Johns Hopkins Hosp/Bayview, MD, Baltimore
Medicine-Primary Care...Flickinger, Tabor Elisabeth...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Medicine-Primary Care...Stone, Geren Starr...Massachusetts General Hosp, MA, Boston
Medicine-Primary Care...Zaklin, Ryan David...Massachusetts General Hosp, MA, Boston
Neurology...Acosta, Lealani Mae Yanez...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Neurology...Quinn, Colin Christopher...Hosp of the Univ of Penn, PA, Philadelphia
Obstetrics and Gynecology...Adelman, Marisa Rachel...Vanderbilt Univ SOM, TN, Nashville
Obstetrics and Gynecology...Banks, Nicole Kay...Georgetown Univ Hosp, DC, Washington
Obstetrics and Gynecology...Brim, Shannon Elynn...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Obstetrics and Gynecology...Hanchett, Ross Howland...Carilion Health System, VA, Roanoke
Obstetrics and Gynecology...Huang, Nancy Wei-ling...Thomas Jefferson Univ, PA, Philadelphia
Obstetrics and Gynecology...Kawwass, Jennifer Fay...Emory Univ SOM, GA, Atlanta
Obstetrics and Gynecology...Law, Marianna Griffith...Univ of Texas/Galveston, TX, Galveston
Obstetrics and Gynecology...Owensby, Tracey Lynn...Univ of Kentucky Medical Ctr, KY, Lexington
Obstetrics and Gynecology...Ryan, David Hallmark...Univ of NC/Chapel Hill, NC, Chapel Hill
Ophthalmology...Kirk, Tyler Quentin...Univ of Mississippi SOM, MI, Jackson
Ophthalmology...Knape, Robert Mark...Univ of Florida, FL, Gainesville
Ophthalmology...Tims, Joseph Stuart...Wake Forest U Bapt MC, NC, Winston-Salem
Ophthalmology...Witmer, Matthew Thomas...Univ of South Florida, FL, Tampa
Orthopaedics...Kam, Check Chung...Jackson Memorial Hosp, FL, Miami
Orthopaedics...Scanelli III, John Anthony...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Otolaryngology...Rasamny, Jk John...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Otolaryngology...Stowell, Nicholas Gregory...Vanderbilt Univ SOM, TN, Nashville
Pathology...Cruise, Michael Wayne...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Pathology...McDonald, Oliver Gene...Johns Hopkins Hosp, MD, Baltimore
Pathology...Nassau, Sarah Reynolds...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Pathology...O'Neill, Stacey Sheasley...Univ of NC/Chapel Hill, NC, Chapel Hill
Pathology...Scott, Eric Randolph...Yale-New Haven Hosp, CT, New Haven
Pathology...Stanley, Dirk Patrick...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Pediatrics...Banks, Taylor Allen...National Naval Medical Ctr, MD, Bethesda
Pediatrics...Barker, Kathryn Elizabeth...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Pediatrics...Brantley, Elizabeth Ann...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Pediatrics...Bruner, Karen Elizabeth...Wright-Patterson AFB, OH, Dayton
Pediatrics...Carmody, James Bryan...Eastern Virginia Medical Sch, VA, Norfolk
Pediatrics...Carmody, Rebecca Brooks...Eastern Virginia Medical Sch, VA, Norfolk
Pediatrics...Elchuri, Swati Vijaylakshmi...Emory Univ SOM, GA, Atlanta
Pediatrics...Falaiye, Tolulope Olubukola...Univ Florida Prog/Shands Hosp, FL, Gainesville
Pediatrics...Koehler, Kristie Helen...Univ of Arizona Affil Hosps, AZ, Tucson
Pediatrics...Mason, Jonathan Keith...Virginia Commonwealth Univ H S, VA, Richmond
Pediatrics...Rice, Kristin Alanna...Creighton Univ SOM, NE, Omaha
Pediatrics...Rosenbaum, Rachel Dana...UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Piscataway, NJ, Piscataway
Pediatrics...Shaikh, Shaziya Gul...Childrens National Med, DC, Washington
Pediatrics...Vergales, Jeffrey Eric...Case Western Reserve Univ SOM, OH, Cleveland
Pediatrics...Youell, Lauren Blythe Ferguson...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Physical Med & Rehab...Kirby, Warren Byars...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Physical Med & Rehab...Williams, Sarah Kathryn...Mayo Medical School-MN, MN, Rochester
Psychiatry...Browne, Rashelle Alleyne...Univ of South Florida, FL, Tampa
Psychiatry...Diehl, Laurie Ann...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Psychiatry...Felts, Amber Kaye...Harvard Longwood Psyc, MA, Boston
Psychiatry...Gopalan, Priya Raja...UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA, PA, Pittsburgh
Psychiatry...Smith, Justin Bracewell...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Psychiatry...Thoits, Joseph Ryan...Oregon Health Sci Univ SOM, OR, Portland
Radiation Oncology...Hunter, Grant Kirton...Cleveland Clinic Foundation, OH, Cleveland
Radiology-Diagnostic...Amin, Parag Mahendra...Univ of Chicago, IL, Chicago
Radiology-Diagnostic...Caovan, Dominique Bernard...Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ, RI, Providence
Radiology-Diagnostic...Nacey, Nicholas Cole...McGaw Medical Ctr/NW Univ, IL, Chicago
Radiology-Diagnostic...Pease, Clinton Scott...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Radiology-Diagnostic...Trotta, Brian Michael...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Surgery-Preliminary...Vandyck, Kofi Besebro...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Surgery-Preliminary...Weichel, Derek William...Univ of Michigan Med Sch, MI, Ann Arbor
Urology...Dover, Crystal Michelle...Univ of Wisconsin Hosp/Clinics, WI, Madison
Urology...Kreshover, Jessica Erin...Boston Univ SOM, MA, Boston
Urology...Leddy, Laura Sigismund...Univ of Washington SOM, WA, Seattle
Urology...Smith, Ryan Patrick...Univ of Virginia SOM, VA, Charlottesville
Urology...Zhu, Jiakai...Univ of Maryland SOM, MD, Baltimore

Here is the 2006 Match List.

http://www.med-ed.virginia.edu/handbook/residency/Match/06/match06d.cfm

And this is the 2005 Match List for UVA. The best class by far...😀

http://www.med-ed.virginia.edu/handbook/residency/Match/05/match05d.cfm

The above post about B Ball and the Match hits it on the nail. In the end, school reputation DOES matter but you can also match into very competitive fields coming out of lesser schools, given that you have great stats.

 

[Dookter]

Well, you're creating a false dilemma there. No one said a match list doesn't tell you anything. The general message from the cynics is that a match list doesn't tell you everything you need to know.

Also, being a first year medical student doesn't make you much better at interpreting a match list than being a premed. I've gained nothing thus far that would make me any more knowledgeable than I was a year ago about judging the relative merits of residency programs. Have you? I highly doubt it.

Post #28: "These lists are meaningless."

I'm not creating anything. I was just countering that they actually can tell you something. It's not much, but it is something. It's true that the top schools have better match lists. It's a fact of life. What we don't really know is why they have better match lists. My personal opinion is that it is mostly by having the best students. Then there are things like more resources, etc. Then way down the list comes school name. But read the posts before you say I'm creating anything....

 

[45408]

CONCLUSION: Consistent with findings from previous studies, this study demonstrated that undergraduate science GPAs and MCAT scores are strong predictors of standardized test performances during medical school.

That'd be great news if my med school used standardized tests, I guess? Here's hoping I clobber Step 1, because while I'm certainly not doing poorly, I'm not at the top of the class.

 

[45408]

btw.... i have a huge tongue that ends up in my cheek most of the time

I bet the ladies like that, eh?

 

[Guile]

In the end, school reputation DOES matter but you can also match into very competitive fields coming out of lesser schools, given that you have great stats.

I don't think anyone is arguing that reputation DOESN'T matter, but that a reputation doesn't buy you a residency and coming from Podunk U SOM doesn't put you a hole when applying. It's certainly not a level playing field when it comes to applying, but I don't think it's as uneven as people on here make it out to be. Just look at some of the awesome matches from state schools. Check out my earlier post. Ophtho at Mayo Clinic from a no-name, unranked state school? You know there were multiple top 10 applicants who were ranked lower than the applicant who matched there. Step I is the great equalizer. That being said, a phone call from a well-known attending at a top 10 school can tip the scales.

I used to get heavily involved in these debates, but I don't really see the point because nothing every gets resolved. No one ever says "OH, okay, I see your point. You're right."

The data I would really like to see is if you looked at the list of matched students at a top program, perhaps surgery at Hopkins, and compared the step I average of top 10 students and unranked students, how disparate would they be, if at all? If the difference isn't statistically relevant, then I think you would have your answer.

 

[UMP]

I bet the ladies like that, eh?

good guess... i wonder why ?

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Post #28: "These lists are meaningless."

I'm not creating anything. I was just countering that they actually can tell you something. It's not much, but it is something. It's true that the top schools have better match lists. It's a fact of life. What we don't really know is why they have better match lists. My personal opinion is that it is mostly by having the best students. Then there are things like more resources, etc. Then way down the list comes school name. But read the posts before you say I'm creating anything....

Okay, so one person used the word "meaningless" without any modifier. I don't think you can infer that the rest of us are saying they have absolutely zero merit just because we don't think they're particularly useful. There's a lot of gray area in here. Plus, you quoted me when you made your argument, so you were creating something if you were saying I was arguing anything was "meaningless." Perhaps you should have quoted post #28 instead.

 

[45408]

good guess... i wonder why ?

apparently these ladies feel the same:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxsXzmpiEcI[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Critical Mass]

Post #28: "These lists are meaningless."

I'm not creating anything. I was just countering that they actually can tell you something. It's not much, but it is something. It's true that the top schools have better match lists. It's a fact of life. What we don't really know is why they have better match lists. My personal opinion is that it is mostly by having the best students. Then there are things like more resources, etc. Then way down the list comes school name. But read the posts before you say I'm creating anything....

Since I'm responsible for #28, I guess I should say something. We're a little bit circular by this point. Yes I said "meaningless," but when Dookter countered in #29 with a similar thesis as the above quotation, I quickly replied in #30 that I agreed that I had indeed been too quick to use the term "meaningless" in #28. I also stated in #30 that I don't think that it is a good idea for pre-allo's to use a match list as a reason to attend a particular school. Since somebody opened this "Match List" thread in pre-allo, I wanted to offer those words of caution given our audience. Drawing conclusions about a school based mostly on the choices of its students is a bad idea.

Lee used to have a thread someplace that had old and recent lists stored in an organized format by school for general reference over the years, but I don't believe that it was in pre-allo, nor do I think that it should be.

I do agree that SDN seems to attract a certain type of applicant (i.e. those who plan to blanket apply), but I am actually fine with that. Save for the individual class thread area, SDN would be of little use to applicants at my school because it is a state institution in which even the top students wouldn't have stood a chance of getting admitted oos much less the entire student body. The MSAR will tell you that, and I'm sure that the same is true in other parts of the country, so it stands to reason that SDN would be a good home for people with 30/3.8+ applicants to measure their chances/options across the country. The other 90+% of the applicants in the US probably have no realistic oos shot (with the understanding that the heretofore-mentioned numbers are even higher in places like Cali).

Those of us in med school who look back from the other side of the fence often act as Renshaw cells to try to guide the pre-allo stimuli back to the center of the tract and hopefully to assist in finer controlled decision making. After being in the system a little while, we have realized that you basically get the same material at every accredited school, take the same licensing exam as everybody else in the country, and hold the key to your own success regardless of what school you choose. That is why I originally said that match lists are "meaningless," and my comment was also said in the context that even the lesser-revered places like where I am can have great matches. Ditto on the comments noting that where you go for PGY has as much to do with extra-curricular concerns as the training itself. Again, board exams are nationally-sanctioned.

Where do I find meaning in the match list? Well I can look at my own school (which is in an area that needs primary care providers in underserved areas) over the years and watch how fewer students now choose family practice. Likewise for internal medicine. To me, I look at it to see what kinds of choices people are making these days relative to the past. A match list is not something that I considered looking at before medical school as any kind of measuring stick. When I see somebody matching ORL at a top 20 ORL program from my medical school, I know that it had a lot more to do with his own drive and performance than where he decided to do medical school.

Finally, the "name" of the school with which the PGY program is associated should not be weighed so heavily. You will find strengths and weaknesses in all parts of the country. For instance, I would have never thought that one of the top HIV/AIDS research institutions in the world was in the middle of Alabama until I visited the campus myself. Someone from Hopkins could pick UAB internal med with the intent of going into infectious disease, but on the sheet of paper I'd have no way of knowing that.

 

[superspec]

Anyone have Jefferson's list?

 

[excalibur]

let's get back to the lists, eh? could you please discuss your theories on match list analysis on separate threads.

 

[AmoryBlaine]

Does anyone else get the impression that Gen Surg is really taking off again?

 

[JDMD243.0]

let's get back to the lists, eh? could you please discuss your theories on match list analysis on separate threads.

Good idea, how about organizing all of the match links alphabetically in one post 🙂

 

[Law2Doc]

I'm channeling Law2Doc here, but does anyone in pre-allo have the capability of judging programs based on quality. Sure, we all know Harvard sounds great, but that's about it. Actually knowing the quality of residency programs in multiple different fields would be quite a feat for anyone.

Amen. Match lists are simply not as useful to premeds as premeds like to think.

As for undergrad grades and MCAT scores being "predictors" of med school success, you have to realize that what is "statistically significant" is very different from what is determinative for a given person. Everyone in med school got their share of A's in undergrad, but half are going to end up in the bottom half of the class. Lot's of previously high scoring people end up shocked and surprised, so it's probably not smart to rest on your laurels and think that because you scored well on the MCAT, you are golden. The question is more about who adjusts to the rigors of med school most effectively.

 

[Law2Doc]

Does anyone else get the impression that Gen Surg is really taking off again?

I actually heard that surgery took a slight hit again as the current crop of med students are favoring more lifestyle fields.

 

[medgator]

I actually heard that surgery took a slight hit again as the current crop of med students are favoring more lifestyle fields.

You certainly couldnt tell just looking at the number of unfilled spots after the match --- there were more unfilled spots in Rads, anesthesia, path, and even rad onc.

 

[JDMD243.0]

Amen. Match lists are simply not as useful to premeds as premeds like to think.

As for undergrad grades and MCAT scores being "predictors" of med school success, you have to realize that what is "statistically significant" is very different from what is determinative for a given person. Everyone in med school got their share of A's in undergrad, but half are going to end up in the bottom half of the class. Lot's of previously high scoring people end up shocked and surprised, so it's probably not smart to rest on your laurels and think that because you scored well on the MCAT, you are golden. The question is more about who adjusts to the rigors of med school most effectively.

I think everyone agrees that each person has to make their own adjustment to med school and I don't think anyone is suggesting one sits on their laurels at any med school. The larger point was simply that it will be more competetive at a school with more competetive students aka the big fish in the little pond vs big fish in the big ocean--its not really a debatable point and it is supported by the stats cited above.

 

[wanderingmedics]

I actually heard that surgery took a slight hit again as the current crop of med students are favoring more lifestyle fields.

I think you are wrong there. Only 2 surgery spots went unfilled this year leaving many students wanting to do surgery to scramble into prelim spots. This year seems like one of the more competitive matches and with the projected increased in medical students it will only get much harder for you guys if new spots don't get opened up.

 

[silas2642]

I think you are wrong there. Only 2 surgery spots went unfilled this year leaving many students wanting to do surgery to scramble into prelim spots. This year seems like one of the more competitive matches and with the projected increased in medical students it will only get much harder for you guys if new spots don't get opened up.

Yes, yes, but will somebody please start posting MATCH LISTS (which was the entire purpose of this thread, remember?) again?

 

[Law2Doc]

I think everyone agrees that each person has to make their own adjustment to med school and I don't think anyone is suggesting one sits on their laurels at any med school. The larger point was simply that it will be more competetive at a school with more competetive students aka the big fish in the little pond vs big fish in the big ocean--its not really a debatable point and it is supported by the stats cited above.

Well, I'm not sure the stats quite say what you suggest. There is a modest correlation between MCAT scores and board scores, but it was a study on a small minority of med students at a small minority of med schools years ago, and both Step 1 and the MCAT have undergone not insubstantial changes since those studies. So it's absolutely a debatable point. Expect to fight to be the big fish regardless of where you go, and don't expect any advantage because you have good numbers. It doesn't work out that way for half the class.

 

[wanderingmedics]

Yes, yes, but will somebody please start posting MATCH LISTS (which was the entire purpose of this thread, remember?) again?

they are being posted...it's not available at some schools yet, at least not at mines

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=381605

 

[Law2Doc]

I think you are wrong there. Only 2 surgery spots went unfilled this year leaving many students wanting to do surgery to scramble into prelim spots. This year seems like one of the more competitive matches and with the projected increased in medical students it will only get much harder for you guys if new spots don't get opened up.

I agree it's a more competitive match due to the increase in students, but I still have heard the number of applicants per spot reflected greater popularity in certain lifestyle/nonsurgical spots - not sure that this necessarilly boils down to any reflection of the scramble though as you can fill all the match spots even if the number applying is lower. I'm just going on what someone I know involved in the process at one school has indicated.

 

[Law2Doc]

they are being posted...it's not available at some schools yet, at least not at mines

Agreed -- this will trickle in over the next week or so, so no point being hostile to folks keeping the discussion going.