2008 Elections

[OUTexan]

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Who are you thinking about voting for President in 2008? What are the main issues to you as an American and as a pharmacy professional? I stayed up late last night looking over current issues and candidates beliefs. Which party seems more beneficial to health care and what is your solutions would you propose to a candidate if they asked for your input on health care?

 

[eelo]

Who are you thinking about voting for President in 2008? What are the main issues to you as an American and as a pharmacy professional? I stayed up late last night looking over current issues and candidates beliefs. Which party seems more beneficial to health care and what is your solutions would you propose to a candidate if they asked for your input on health care?

I would vote for any combination of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or John Edwards. I am hoping that the candidates will join forces, rather than fight each other.

I am in support of reasonable, accessible basic health care for everyone. Ther eis no justifiable reason that 40,000 people in this country--- THE US-- should be uninsured. I'm not talking about boob jobs or tummy tucks, I'm talking about standard, basic health care including routine preventive care like paps, dental work, immunizations.

While the Republican party and it's pro-business platforms may be more beneficial to the pharmaceutical industry, I believe tha tthe Democrats share a more realistic goal of accessible health care for everyone.

 

[Sarapary]

I love Ron Paul. He is a medical doctor so he knows health care issues. He never voted to raise taxes. He never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. He voted against regulating the internet. He is serving his 10th term in the U.S. house. He was a Flight Surgeon in the Air Force and Air National Guard. I was amazed when I listened to his speeches. It was the first time that I felt I can trust a politician. He is a true American with great values. BTW this is his views on Health Care :
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html

Watch these videos also:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KW6vDS7Zq1Y

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8

 

[TheHillCrew]

Ron Paul all the way !!

www.ronpaul2008.com

He was the only republican congressman to vote against the Iraq war. We need politicians like him who make the right decision the first time and don't waver back and forth with what is popular at the time. Senator Clinton voted in FAVOR of the war and now after 4000 troops are dead and over 20K troops are injured she wants to get them out. I am all for Ron Paul's non-interventionist foreign policy and sticking to the Constitution. If you vote for Hilary or Obama (who was raised a muslim) or Guiliani you are putting your life at risk. They want to keep the borders open and start a nuclear war with Iran. Remember that hilary and obama both voted in favor of amnesty of illegal immigration, they do not have the best interests of Americans in mind.

www.ronpaul2008.com

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Somebody that isn't a Democrat or Republican.

I hate this country's political system. Every four years it's ****** v. ******.

 

[ethyl]

Voting for Ron Paul. 😀

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

... or Fred Thompson if Dr. Paul doesn't make a move in the polls.

 

[TheHillCrew]

Somebody that isn't a Democrat or Republican.

I hate this country's political system. Every four years it's ****** v. ******.

I don't blame the political system as much as I blame the media. The media only covers politicians that meet their agenda. Most voters perceive what they see on tv as fact and do not attempt to look beyond what is presented to them on tv. Unfortunately people are more concerned with Paris hilton throwing up on her Gucci handbag.

 

[RobertZimmerman]

... or Fred Thompson if Dr. Paul doesn't make a move in the polls.

So... then... your voting for Fred right? Cause Ron Paul is at 2-3% and going nowhere.

 

[ZpackSux]

What are you guys talking about on this thread?

 

[twester]

Who are you thinking about voting for President in 2008? What are the main issues to you as an American and as a pharmacy professional? I stayed up late last night looking over current issues and candidates beliefs. Which party seems more beneficial to health care and what is your solutions would you propose to a candidate if they asked for your input on health care?

Ask me again next summer. It's an outrage that we've got several senators who are spending their time running for office and not doing the job that we're paying them to do. The election isn't for 15 more months for cryin' out loud!

 

[WVUPharm2007]

We should go back to the original electoral system where electors are voted in to select the president themselves. With the current system of popular vote, rather than a leader, all we get is a McLeader that is palitable to the idiot masses. The last competent president we've had was Nixon and he was the shadiest president since Harding. It's lose-lose. A contest to see whose dunce cap wearing champion gets to parade around as a person that knows what they are doing.

I got news for all of you, Thompson, Paul, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Giuliani....they are all incompetent, incredibly biased *****s whose opinion I wouldn't trust on anything.

 

[Caverject]

If you vote for Hilary or Obama (who was raised a muslim) or Guiliani you are putting your life at risk. They want to keep the borders open and start a nuclear war with Iran. Remember that hilary and obama both voted in favor of amnesty of illegal immigration, they do not have the best interests of Americans in mind.

www.ronpaul2008.com

Your true racist colors are on display...perhaps you should further explain your claim of Obama being a muslim...here's a great article from a conservative newspaper...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0716/p01s01-uspo.html?page=1

And while your at it, find us some evidence that cliniton obama and rudy want to start a nuclear war with Iran...

 

[njac]

Thank you Caverject. I am in awe that anyone would pull the muslim card like that. I feel rather sheltered.

 

[TheHillCrew]

Your true racist colors are on display...perhaps you should further explain your claim of Obama being a muslim

All I can do is analyze the facts presented to me. What I do know about Barack Hussein Obama is that his father was a Muslim, his step father was a muslim and he went to school in Indonesia that was possibly funded by the Saudis. It was not until 1988 that Barack Hussein Obama CHOSE to become a Christian. Going beyond coming from a Muslim background I do not agee with his voting record. Barack Hussein Obama does not represent me as an American and as voter.

 

[Jbuprepharm]

Somebody that isn't a Democrat or Republican.

I second this motion

 

[Sarapary]

We should go back to the original electoral system where electors are voted in to select the president themselves. With the current system of popular vote, rather than a leader, all we get is a McLeader that is palitable to the idiot masses. The last competent president we've had was Nixon and he was the shadiest president since Harding. It's lose-lose. A contest to see whose dunce cap wearing champion gets to parade around as a person that knows what they are doing.

I got news for all of you, Thompson, Paul, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Giuliani....they are all incompetent, incredibly biased *****s whose opinion I wouldn't trust on anything.

But there are differences. Some of them actually say that they may go to a nuclear war. The other one like Ron Paul says NO to the War. This is a BIG BIG difference. I rather vote for someone who works for America and American people not for any other political/economical groups and countries. I don't want to waste my vote because if I do so I will be responsible for the life of thousands of people who may become killed in a stupid war. At least I do my responsibility and vote for a candidate who has more humanize ideas. This is the best thing that I CAN do.

 

[ZpackSux]

With viagra, cialis, levitra, and Revatio on the market...I say Erection in 2008 will be in full force (no pun)...

 

[WVUPharm2007]

There were political differences between Hitler and Stalin, too. In fact, major, major differences. Especially economically.

Obviously none of the US presidental candidates are that authoritarian, but, in short, just because they have differences doesn't mean any of them are worth a ****. There was actually a Simpson's Treehouse of Horror that illustrates this perfectly. In fact, I consider it one of the most underrated political satires of our generation (no, I'm not kidding). You know, when the two aliens disguised themselves as Bob Dole and Bill Clinton. You had to chose one...but obviously you're screwed either way and the human race was to be enslaved either way. It's the same concept.

There's a big 500 pound gorilla in the room vis-a-vis US monetary policy. The US dollar is weakening and neither large political group seems to really notice or care. It is, by and far, the most frightening subject and issue we face, in my opinion, because our entire economic livelihood is hedged on floating the dollar internationally as a fiat currency. At least the Republicans have been fighting the weakening of the Dollar via some means (US military control of the Middle East..leading to Petrodollar hegemony)...albeit those means are horrible and terribly regrettable.

What is needed is to basically knock ourselves down a notch, start producing (like in the 50s/60s), export some ****, and pay off some debt so the US dollar can strengthen again. RIGHT NOW, there is no way in hell the Dollar will do anything but continue to weaken. The more we keep living off the county's proverbial VISA card, the more ****ed over we will be long term. As we speak Russia is toying with a power play over oil price controls via a "petroruble" (google "Russia oil bourse"). If they are successful (I don't think they will be anytime SOON..), the dollar won't be in demand, and our greenbacks won't be welcomed in China for crap to stock Walmart shelves anymore. And what does a service economy with no means of importing goods do? Well...ahem..yeah...

And guess what the major political parties want to do about it? JACK ****!!!
Why? Because they are too pansy assed to get up there and say anything that implies the country needs to actually sacrifice economically to better itself. So **** the Democrats, **** the Republicans. They are *****s. Oh, sure, we'll elect one of them....it's nice to pretend they are all that different. Nobody is actually going to start a nuclear war. That's beyond ******ed, even for the biggest war drum banger.

 

[Sarapary]

"There's a big 500 pound gorilla in the room vis-a-vis US monetary policy. The US dollar is weakening and neither large political group seems to really notice or care. It is, by and far, the most frightening subject and issue we face, in my opinion, because our entire economic livelihood is hedged on floating the dollar internationally as a fiat currency. "At least the Republicans have been fighting the weakening of the Dollar via some means (US military control of the Middle East..leading to Petrodollar hegemony)...albeit those means are horrible and terribly regrettable. "



Oh, My God. This is the reason that most American voted for Bush. AT LEAST HE IS DOING SOMETHING! He is doing WHAT? killing people to save some money? you mean there is no other way? I prefer somebody comes to the office and do Nothing rather than causing death and war. And by the way do you know who own America? Do you think it is American people?
and another question What is Your solution for this situation? As an American what will you do to save this country ?? Not voting? Do you think this is the best way?



"What is needed is to basically knock ourselves down a notch, start producing (like in the 50s/60s), export some ****, and pay off some debt so the US dollar can strengthen again. RIGHT NOW, there is no way in hell the Dollar will do anything but continue to weaken. The more we keep living off the county's proverbial VISA card, the more ****ed over we will be long term. As we speak Russia is toying with a power play over oil price controls via a "petroruble" (google "Russia oil bourse"). If they are successful (I don't think they will be anytime SOON..), the dollar won't be in demand, and our greenbacks won't be welcomed in China for crap to stock Walmart shelves anymore. And what does a service economy with no means of importing goods do? Well...ahem..yeah..."


have you ever read or heared what Ron Paul has said about these issues? probably not.


"And guess what the major political parties want to do about it? JACK ****!!!
Why? Because they are too ... assed to get up there and say anything that implies the country needs to actually sacrifice economically to better itself. So **** the Democrats, **** the Republicans. They are *****s. Oh, sure, we'll elect one of them....it's nice to pretend they are all that different. Nobody is actually going to start a nuclear war. That's beyond ******ed, even for the biggest war drum banger."

Did you watch debates? actually all republican candidates except RON PAUL and some of the democrat candidate said they will go for a nuclear war if it is necessary.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Oh, My God. This is the reason that most American voted for Bush. AT LEAST HE IS DOING SOMETHING! He is doing WHAT? killing people to save some money?

This is very true. As I stated, it is regrettable. But at least he did SOMETHING. The Dems just sit their with there collective thumbs up their asses.

you mean there is no other way? I prefer somebody comes to the office and do Nothing rather than causing death and war. And by the way do you know who own America? Do you think it is American people?
and another question What is Your solution for this situation? As an American what will you do to save this country ?? Not voting? Do you think this is the best way?

Actually I gave an example about heading off the potential economic storm before it arises on the previous post.

have you ever read or heared what Ron Paul has said about these issues? probably not.

Economics, pathetically, is actually a major interest of mine. I have read a few interviews with him and I disagree with him. I read an article about his support of the gold standard, which I do not...for now. His support of free trade and lowered taxes makes it obvious that he isn't really into protecting US interests. Screw free trade (for now) that **** will weaken the dollar and will do little to catalyze production state side to truly minimize trading deficits. He's too up the ass of the proverbial conservative mold for my tastes. I wish there was a president by committee where we could assign certain people certain tasks and not have an all encompassing executive. I will agree with you, at least he talks about this issue (albeit it is one of his very minor issues), but I disagree with his potential action plan. I also vastly disagree with his domestic agenda. Anybody who is actually against gay legal unions (aka gay marriage) just doesn't understand anything about equality. I don't see why two dudes can't have the same legal and financial rights that myself and my wife have.

Did you watch debates? actually all republican candidates except RON PAUL and some of the democrat candidate said they will go for a nuclear war if it is necessary.

I watched the highlights on CNN. I got school **** to do so I couldn't watch the whole thing. Even if they did say they would go to nuclear war with somebody, you know dern well they are all rational people....they wouldn't ACTUALLY do it unless there was a damn good reason. And I"m not one to say never, who knows what the future holds. Obviously it is an absolute, beyond last resort. Now if any of them spoke of nuclear war in any manner outside of that context, I would be concerned.

Though if you must know, OF THOSE I would ever support, ever, Paul and Obama are the ONLY two candidates I would even consider from either party. So far, they at least appear intelligent. I hope that maybe they will learn how to do **** correctly at some point. And they will have to do one HELL of a job convincing me to actually get my vote. If not I will, again, vote for myself.

 

[eelo]

Oh, and for the record, "...most of America..." did NOT vote for Bush.

 

[Caverject]

All I can do is analyze the facts presented to me.

So you don't research anything for yourself before forming an opinion? Do you go mainly on what your friends say or whatever media outlet you listen/watch/read?

What I do know about Barack Hussein Obama is that his father was a Muslim, his step father was a muslim and he went to school in Indonesia that was possibly funded by the Saudis.

So now you pull out his middle name Hussein. Why? Do you think he is related to Saddam Hussein some how? Again, this is another racist extrapolation you are pulling off here unless there is some point you're trying to make that I fail to see. I see you astutely pointed out what religion his father and step-father was...what about his Mother? Nice that you left that out.

About his education, what is significant about going to a private catholic school and then public school in the country of Indonesia? I don't get your point. Lets say for example one of the schools was funded by the Saudis...and your point is? That Saudi Arabia, our nation's ally, helped sponsor education in the country of Indonesia?

It was not until 1988 that Barack Hussein Obama CHOSE to become a Christian. Going beyond coming from a Muslim background I do not agee with his voting record. Barack Hussein Obama does not represent me as an American and as voter.

Yeah, he CHOSE to become a Christian. He could of been anything he wanted. He was granted that choice by his parents to do what you believe. It took him a while to find Jesus, but the fact is, he found Jesus and CHOSE Jesus. You may not agree with his voting record, and I do not either. But what do you mean he does not represent you as an American? Do you mean to say Caucasian-American or something because he's black? He was born in Kansas for crying out loud. That's as American as one can get. Perhaps you meant a Christian-American because...oh wait can't use that one either!

So really...why the hate?

 

[Caverject]

Oh, and for the record, "...most of America..." did NOT vote for Bush.

they sorta did the second time around...in fact it was a "mandate"

 

[WVUPharm2007]

I don't care which specific magical fairy tale he believes in. Islam, Christianity, Taoism...whatever floats his boat. Can he fix the **** that needs fixed? That's the only bottom line there is, playa.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

they sorta did the second time around...in fact it was a "mandate"

Yeah...by 2.4%. Ohhh...what a mandate. Before a "mandate" is claimed, that **** needs to be like 80% to 15% with 5% for other.

 

[Caverject]

Yeah...by 2.4%. Ohhh...what a mandate. Before a "mandate" is claimed, that **** needs to be like 80% to 15% with 5% for other.

I still laugh my ass off hearing Cheeny defend his mandate...a mandate is Reagan vs Mondale...not Bush vs Kerry although Bush actually did win the popular vote this time around...

 

[WVUPharm2007]

That was still 60%-40%. Definitely not a mandate. Saddam Hussein was the only dude getting mandates.

 

[Caverject]

That was still 60%-40%. Definitely not a mandate. Saddam Hussein was the only dude getting mandates.

yeah, 99.1% of Iraqis voting for Hussein says the Iraqis really liked their leader!

 

[eelo]

I still laugh my ass off hearing Cheeny defend his mandate...a mandate is Reagan vs Mondale...not Bush vs Kerry although Bush actually did win the popular vote this time around...

That's okay.... I picked up on the sarcasm.

However..... I notice you failed to explain to our racist friend that "Hussein" is Arabic for "Smith."

 

[Caverject]

That's okay.... I picked up on the sarcasm.

However..... I notice you failed to explain to our racist friend that "Hussein" is Arabic for "Smith."

I didn't feel the need to explain that point...Most people don't feel the need to say their full name but this dude did for some reason

 

[TheHillCrew]

I did not make any false accusations about Obama, I simply stated facts. If you feel comfortable with him leading this country than that is great.

 

[Caverject]

I did not make any false accusations about Obama, I simply stated facts. If you feel comfortable with him leading this country than that is great.

nothing like answering questions with no answers at all...just like a true politician!

You stated selected facts to make your assertions about this particular candidate clear...

 

[No1 Pusher]

TheHillCrew is anti muslim & black......& anti Hussein.

 

[No1 Pusher]

just kidding.

 

[eelo]

I didn't feel the need to explain that point...Most people don't feel the need to say their full name but this dude did for some reason

Well, my middle name is Eleanor, so I guess that aligns me with Eleanor Roosevelt, huh? Cool!

(except that I'm not likely to carry a handgun)

;-)

 

[njac]

It was not until 1988 that Barack Hussein Obama CHOSE to become a Christian. .

Now I'm not a Christian and I often don't follow the logic many of them use - but wouldn't you have greater faith in someone's faith if they came from a different background and declared Christianity to be more superior vs someone who was raised knowing nothing else? He knows what else is out there, but he chose to follow Christianity rather than it being force fed.


On another note, my super-conservative dad has a good point. Drugs are cheaper in other countries. The same drugs we get here. Why do Americans have to eat all of the R&D costs? Couldn't Pfizer/Merck/etc share the cost of the R&D among all sales and then we wouldn't have the drug price disparities?

 

[TheHillCrew]

The reason that the United Arab Emirates were not awarded the port authority contract was due to the fact they were a Muslim. In my opinion I do not feel that having a President with a Muslim background is the right direction for this country. He became a Christian at the age of 27 when he decided that he wanted to become a politician. I look at his acceptance of Christianity as more of a political move than a spiritual awakening.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Actually, the best option is a president with no religious background.

Sadly, that ain't gonna happen...

 

[Caverject]

The reason that the United Arab Emirates were not awarded the port authority contract was due to the fact they were a Muslim. In my opinion I do not feel that having a President with a Muslim background is the right direction for this country. He became a Christian at the age of 27 when he decided that he wanted to become a politician. I look at his acceptance of Christianity as more of a political move than a spiritual awakening.

Again, you are wrong. The country of UAE didn't apply for a port authority contract. Dubai Ports World did, a company with a home base in UAE. Do you get all your information from Rush?

And if you would read the CS Monitor article I posted earlier, you would of seen that Obama finally turned to Jesus when he decided to marry his wife. How dare you question and judge another person's faith to God. Only one person is allowed to do that, and I think you know damn well who that is. yeah, God himself!

 

[piyi]

We should go back to the original electoral system where electors are voted in to select the president themselves. With the current system of popular vote, rather than a leader, all we get is a McLeader that is palitable to the idiot masses. The last competent president we've had was Nixon and he was the shadiest president since Harding. It's lose-lose. A contest to see whose dunce cap wearing champion gets to parade around as a person that knows what they are doing.

I got news for all of you, Thompson, Paul, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Giuliani....they are all incompetent, incredibly biased *****s whose opinion I wouldn't trust on anything.

Speaking of the idiot masses... last election, my boyfriend's mother voted for Bush because he was more attractive than Gore. That kind of **** makes me want to beat her. I mean, what the h*ll? I think voting rights should be earned. That will eliminate a lot of the *****s out there that have no right voting, like my boyfriend's mother. I'm sure that's unconstitutional or something, but it just makes me sick to hear of people voting in elections for superficial reasons like that. People should have a real reason when they vote, or they shouldn't vote at all.

 

[TheHillCrew]

Speaking of the idiot masses... last election, my boyfriend's mother voted for Bush because he was more attractive than Gore. That kind of **** makes me want to beat her. I mean, what the h*ll? I think voting rights should be earned.

That is funny. I know exactly what you are talking about. There are a lot of people that vote for someone because "they look nice." It is really crazy. What really pisses me off is the welfare recepients that only vote for a candidate because they think it will get them "more free money." If it were up to me people on welfare would not be allowed to vote.

 

[Caverject]

That is funny. I know exactly what you are talking about. There are a lot of people that vote for someone because "they look nice." It is really crazy. What really pisses me off is the welfare recepients that only vote for a candidate because they think it will get them "more free money." If it were up to me people on welfare would not be allowed to vote.

Sort of like how people make up assumptions on people that don't look like you do, similar to you? Yeah, that is funny and crazy. Thankfully, the ability to vote is not up to uneducated fools like yourself.

 

[TheHillCrew]

Caverject.... We disagree in the respect that you feel there is nothing wrong with having somone with a Muslim Background lead this country. The American people have already spoken and said they do not want a muslim business running our ports. If Americans don't want Muslims running our ports why the hell would we want a candidate with muslim ties leading this country. I am sorry that my facts offend you.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

I think anybody who thinks a certain group of people shouldn't have the right to vote shouldn't have the right to vote!


Wait a minute...crap....

 

[TheHillCrew]

All the states with the exception of Vermont and Maine take away a felons right to vote. Why should people who are dependent on the government to live be allowed to vote. If you have never witnessed the abuse of social services than you would'nt understand. There is nothing wrong with people who actually need social services to take advantage of it but we have too many people who look at welfare as "free money" and not what it really is, temporary public assistance.

 

[Rumplestiltazepam]

What really pisses me off is the welfare recepients that only vote for a candidate because they think it will get them "more free money." If it were up to me people on welfare would not be allowed to vote.

YA! Then banish them all to Australia!

 

[Caverject]

All the states with the exception of Vermont and Maine take away a felons right to vote. Why should people who are dependent on the government to live be allowed to vote. If you have never witnessed the abuse of social services than you would'nt understand. There is nothing wrong with people who actually need social services to take advantage of it but we have too many people who look at welfare as "free money" and not what it really is, temporary public assistance.

They take away the right to vote as a punishment for crime! What have people dependent on government services done that their right to vote should be taken away? I'm not sure why you hate homeless people...

Caverject.... We disagree in the respect that you feel there is nothing wrong with having somone with a Muslim Background lead this country. The American people have already spoken and said they do not want a muslim business running our ports. If Americans don't want Muslims running our ports why the hell would we want a candidate with muslim ties leading this country. I am sorry that my facts offend you.

No we don't disagree in that respect. You don't have your facts straight. If you did, you would post something that would back your assertions up. But you cant. You keep sticking your foot in your mouth instead.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Yeah....everyone should have the right to vote. In fact, I think it is an atrocity that ex felons - who have paid their debt to society - aren't allowed to vote.

 

[psychoandy]

All the states with the exception of Vermont and Maine take away a felons right to vote. Why should people who are dependent on the government to live be allowed to vote. If you have never witnessed the abuse of social services than you would'nt understand. There is nothing wrong with people who actually need social services to take advantage of it but we have too many people who look at welfare as "free money" and not what it really is, temporary public assistance.

So now people should be able to vote on merit? How would you even judge that?

If that's the case, then let's let hard working immigrants vote as well, since they would be more deserving than the single mother with 3 kids on welfare! But only as long as they aren't muslim or catholic of course...🙄

Oh yeah and whoever said John Edwards..the ambulance chaser? Seriously?

 

[12345]

So this is the first election I have actually really paid attention to. I find it extremly hard to actually know all the facts about a politician. I think you would have to have a full time job researching it to know everything. I watched the democratic youtube debate the other, sorta the first debate I ever watched. I thought they all sounded amazing and all said they would do really great things. But then I thought every presidential candidate must have sounded like that while campaigning. So then I thought well how the hell do I know if they are going to do a good job or not? Anyone have any website I could go to learn more, I just really feel uninformed and that it is impossible to really know who is the best. One thought I did have was that if hiliary was elected, wouldn't that be like having 2 presidents? She could send her husband all over to do things and he would have really good experience with it.