2008 Non-Trad Applicants' Progress Thread

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No updates from the Pitt front (yet), but I do have an interesting development:

An undergraduate student who is working on two of my studies asked me for a letter of recommendation (which I agreed to do); it is entirely possible that he and I will be applying to the same medical schools. Oh, the gunnerish possibilities... 😀
 
oh dear... that time already :scared:
i'm here...retaking mcat in july/august
applying to chicago area md schools, ccom and the two md schools in wisconsin (although madison would be one HECK of a commute!!)
 
Update: my first LOR is in to Interfolio!

Rewrote my whole PS last weekend 😱 and am working on writing up all of those pesky EC's: Does anyone know if thesis research goes in that section somewhere? And does shadowing count as an EC?

Thanks, and good luck everyone:luck: !

Chem
 
OK, here's the scoop on MCW LORs- I just talked with the Dir of Admissions personally this morning-

Due to the length of time since my grad degree was granted (9 years), it is not necessary to get a letter of recommendation from that school. It is, however, necessary to get a letter from there confirming my dates of attendance and that I successfully completed the program. My 2 post-bacc science letters will count as my "undergrad" letters, and my others will count as supplemental letters.

Sooooooooooo... I just shot off an email to my former grad school advisor to see if she's willing to help me. We'll see what happens. That could put Penn State back in the running. :idea:
 
OK, here's the scoop on MCW LORs- I just talked with the Dir of Admissions personally this morning-

Due to the length of time since my grad degree was granted (9 years), it is not necessary to get a letter of recommendation from that school. It is, however, necessary to get a letter from there confirming my dates of attendance and that I successfully completed the program. My 2 post-bacc science letters will count as my "undergrad" letters, and my others will count as supplemental letters.

Sooooooooooo... I just shot off an email to my former grad school advisor to see if she's willing to help me. We'll see what happens. That could put Penn State back in the running. :idea:

Won't your transcript serve as proof that you were enrolled and completed the requirements and granted a degree? 😕
 
Hmmmm. It's been 8 years since I got my grad degree. Doesn't feel like it was so long ago though! Guess maybe I should check too before tracking down an old prof and asking for a letter for MCW.

Thanks for posting the info!
 
here! graduated in may, doing the rset of my prereqs this year..

retaking mcat in august after a disappointing first attempt (probably due mostly to not having but 1 of the 8 prereqs at the time).

Transcripts sent and PS written & editing...
 
Update: my first LOR is in to Interfolio!

Rewrote my whole PS last weekend 😱 and am working on writing up all of those pesky EC's: Does anyone know if thesis research goes in that section somewhere? And does shadowing count as an EC?

Thanks, and good luck everyone:luck: !

Chem

and yes, shadowing is an EC
 
Amcas update...

MCAT finally taken yesterday! Now just 29ish days until I get the scores and submit the application if they are up to snuff.

Also one of two transcripts has been verified by Amcas and I started refining my personal statement. I have to write another essay since I was economically disadvantaged as a kid, so that is adding a little bit of extra stress. Aside from the essays, the rest of the app is in a first draft state!

I am starting to think that the whole medical school application process is just introducing us all to one of the fundamentals of the healthcare systems. Hurry up and wait!
 
I am starting to think that the whole medical school application process is just introducing us all to one of the fundamentals of the healthcare systems. Hurry up and wait!

That's EXACTLY what it is. Every time someone asks me to explain the application process- which is not a short conversation, mind you- I end it by saying "So it's a lot of hurry and get stuff done, then wait a long time... and then do a lot more stuff.... and then wait...."


btw, I stand at 2 transcripts received by AMCAS, request in at the post-bacc school to send when grades are finalized.

3 of my LORs have been into Interfolio for a while, still waiting on the last 2. one's deadline was Tuesday 🙄 so I guess I'll be mentioning that when I see her tomorrow. The other was given a 6/1 deadline so I can't say much. Yet. Plus in my contact with IU, they want a Dean's letter from my undergrad, so I need to contact that school... which at least is local. So I suppose I need that plus the grad school letter to get to Interfolio...

*sigh* it's never going to end, is it?
 
Believe it or not, I have 7 transcripts entered on my application, one of which was foreign, so doesn't need to be submitted. I requested 5 of them the first day the AMCAS app was available, and 3/2 are in. I requested the sixth one a few days ago. For what it's worth regarding timing/receipt of transcripts sent, I called to check on one of them, and the school sent it to AMCAS on 5/11 (from NYC to DC), and as of 5/17 it's still not entered. I'm not worried about it, but it's interesting to see that it probably takes awhile for AMCAS to sort through the transcripts and log them. I just hope that the recent one I requested from my post-bacc doesn't get held up because I requested it online (i.e., without the AMCAS form to be attached to it). Anyone else request transcripts that wouldn't be sent in with the AMCAS form that have already been logged in on their application?

The nice thing about having a pre-health committee is that they make you get your letters in EARLY so that they can meet and write a composite letter. So, that's one thing that shouldn't hold things up (I've heard of people not complete for months because of letter writers not getting their letters in). Interfolio really sounds like a blessing if you don't have a pre-health committee so you can keep track of things.

Ok, back to doing practice MCAT problems. Ick.
 
So here's my progress...or lack thereof. I took the MCAT last week and think I did pretty well. Now I sit back and wait for the scores. I'm not making much progress on the personal statement or EC writeups. I am working as a wildland firefighter for the summer (love it!) but I have very little internet access which makes updating my application difficult. I don't think I'll be able to submit on June 5th like I was hoping. Oh well, I'll try for later in June.
 
Uzbekistevie: You don't really need internet access to work on your personal statement or ECs (unless of course you want to email them to others for comments). At least you can work on them on a computer without internet hookup, or on paper, and then when you get to a connected computer, you can just type it all in quickly in one sitting. Anyway, just a thought. Sounds like a pretty active summer you've got planned.

I envy you for being done with the MCAT, but I don't envy the wait (which I'll be suffering through this summer as well).
 
Yep I thought of that phoenix. I took my laptop with me to the station (a fairly remote location) so I can work on my statements from time to time, but I am still in the beginning stages with all of it. Like you said, the tricky part is sending my personal statement to other people to proofread and make suggestions. Anyway, when I'm at the station I'll be working on everything but later in the summer when fire season really picks up and I could be sent wherever the fires are it will be tougher to stay on top of it. So I need to get these done as soon as possible...but really I'd just like to take a break from all this application stuff for awhile...
 
Got my mcat scores, not so great. I am in a similar place as gradu82003-no prereq's except bio and biochecm (no g. chem, o. chem, or physics) I am still going to apply to my one school and see what happens. I have nothing to lose as I could not take classes until next winter and my EC's, LOR's are great. I have completed amcas and have my PS done with the exception of the final reading. I am ready to see what happens and if I need to do this again next year.
 
Got my mcat scores, not so great. I am in a similar place as gradu82003-no prereq's except bio and biochecm (no g. chem, o. chem, or physics) I am still going to apply to my one school and see what happens. I have nothing to lose as I could not take classes until next winter and my EC's, LOR's are great. I have completed amcas and have my PS done with the exception of the final reading. I am ready to see what happens and if I need to do this again next year.

Sorry to hear the news about your MCAT. Given the score, I'd strongly urge you to retake the test or, more drastically, consider waiting until the 2009 application cycle. Truth be told, I think most would agree than your MCAT simply isn't competitive for allopathic (or osteopathic) medical schools.

Is your heart set on going to that 'one school'? If so, do you want to be seen as a reapplicant there next year? How do you plan to address pre-reqs?

I admire your optimism. With luck, you'll prove us all wrong.


-z
 
Got my mcat scores, not so great. I am in a similar place as gradu82003-no prereq's except bio and biochecm (no g. chem, o. chem, or physics) I am still going to apply to my one school and see what happens. I have nothing to lose as I could not take classes until next winter and my EC's, LOR's are great. I have completed amcas and have my PS done with the exception of the final reading. I am ready to see what happens and if I need to do this again next year.

CarolinaGirl: Since you'll be applying to just one school, why don't you give the admissions department a call and ask whether they'd consider an instate applicant that has stellar ECs, your gpa (whatever it is), but a low (22?) MCAT. They may tell you that that's below their cut-off and suggest you retake it, or they may invite you to apply. Personally, I'd go by whatever they say since they're your target audience. Good luck!
 
Best of luck to ALL of you, man, woman, black, white, brown, or yellow. Namaste.

I have seen that many people choose to be quite ambiguous about the specifics of their situation with respect to GPA, MCAT scores, etc. I am warning you that I am going to be quite explicit about mine, so if that is rude or upsetting in your book, just skip my post! 🙂

My situation is this: I am a 24 year old Caucasian male, native to Pennsylvania. I have a cumulative undergrad GPA of 3.0 and a science GPA of 2.9, both at Cornell University. Yes, bad.

What I'm doing to make PROGRESS (the topic of this thread, you know!), is this:

I am currently at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh working my rear end off as a post-bacc student trying to raise my GPA. Currently I have 4 A's and 1 A-. I'm not certain if A-'s are considered or if they're rounded, but I suspect that since AMCAS tends to be cruel, they are probably counted as a 3.8 or something rather than a 4.0. I'm working on two more summer classes that I'm confident will get me A's, so my post-bacc GPA should be around 3.9 or so.

While at Duquesne, I am also working on a master's degree in health-management systems. I opted to do this because it is teaching me a lot of valuable information about managed care, healthcare organizations in general, and it is getting me exposure to people who have worked as healthcare providers and now work as hospital administrators, public health representatives, etc. I am slated to have both the post-bacc and master's program done by Spring of 2008. Sadly, this means not all the grades will make it onto my AMCAS application, but I intend to mention updated grades in secondary applications (and I definitely intend to mail updated transcripts to schools as I apply!).

As far as the MCAT goes, I took the LAST paper MCAT in the Fall of '06. People who get to take it electronically: I hate and envy you (kidding about the hate!). I scored a 34P. A good score, but not off the charts like that fellow Q (seriously, a 43S? Ug!). I do not intend to re-take the MCAT, EVER, because I am terrified of doing worse and undermining my chances of getting into med school.

I am participating in a number of EC's: 1. every Sunday I work with a program called St. Vincent de Paul. We deliver food, clothing, and toiletries to the homeless of downtown Pittsburgh. 2. I volunteer in a hospital ER. 3. I am working full-time over the summer at UPMC's Immunology lab working on finding a vaccine to prevent metastasis of lung cancer. 4. Thinking about picking up an additional volunteer job at another hospital.

I have my AMCAS application almost completed. Still fiddling around with the personal statement because I just can't quite seem to get it right. 😡

I have 5 *great* letters of recommendation: 1. from the priest that runs the homeless program with which I am affiliated. 2. from a local opthalmologist and friend of the family with whom I have shadowed for several days. 3. two from my two favorite professors with whom I've had extensive dialogues outside of class. 4. from a non-science professor that taught me outcomes management and has been like a second mom to me in Pittsburgh. I'm sure all 5 letters will be glowing.



My question, therefore, is this: what am I missing!? I'm not concerned about interviews or secondaries as of yet. I'm worried about what else can I put on my resume!? What else can I add? I'm very non-traditional: I originally wanted to go into marine biology, then looked at veterinary medicine. I've worked as a vet tech for a year, as a dolphin trainer in Hawai'i for a year, and am now a full time student.

I feel that I have explained my bad GPA in my "academic action" essay: long story short, I was severely ill and have had corrective surgery to remedy the problem, which my 4.0 GPA and good MCAT score should now reflect.

Is anyone else in a similar boat, and if so:
1. How have you covered your weaknesses? AND
2. What strengths have you sought to accentuate?

I should note that I am also getting a composite letter from my post-bacc committee, so I guess that makes a total of 6 letters. It was the post-bacc office's recommendation that I get 5 individual letters from which they will then write a composite.



I hope this either A. helps someone else out there who is in a similar boat by being inspriational (believe me this isn't easy, but if you plug away at it, it sure is rewarding!) or B. gets a response so I can stop sitting on the edge of my seat!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!,
Minos
 
Oops, posted it twice because I got logged off half-way through! Teehee 😛
 
CarolinaGirl: Since you'll be applying to just one school, why don't you give the admissions department a call and ask whether they'd consider an instate applicant that has stellar ECs, your gpa (whatever it is), but a low (22?) MCAT. They may tell you that that's below their cut-off and suggest you retake it, or they may invite you to apply. Personally, I'd go by whatever they say since they're your target audience. Good luck!

I have talked with the school about the lack of prereq's and that is not a problem. I have not talked with them about the low mcat. I have seen in the msar that there lowest accepted ps is a 4 and I know two years ago they accepted a person with a 22. I really have nothing to lose as I am overseas until this fall. I don't think it will hurt me if I have to reapply next year and I am prepared to do so if I don't get in. I know the odds are not in my favor but I mean really what is the worst that can happen other than not getting accepted this year. I know this is what I am supposed to do...

Thanks for the advice guys...
 
update time! it's been a week- how's everyone doing?

my progress in the last week...
- took the MCAT
- last transcript was received by AMCAS 🙂clap: )
- another LOR received by Interfolio (1 more to go, and still have to talk with someone from undergrad about whether they can give me one)
- got my request for Enrollment Verification faxed to my grad school

what are y'all up to?
 
what are y'all up to?

* MCAT: dead and buried

* PS: stick a fork in it

* Transcripts: 1/2 received by AMCAS (well, maybe they have the last one and they just haven't queued the email -- the first notification took 4 working days after receipt)

* LORs: 3/4 received, but I just asked for the 4th one last week -- the writer asked me some clarification questions today so it's obvious he's working on it

* AMCAS: 85% complete -- just need to finish up the work/activities section with descriptions

* Pre-med committee: Haven't started the paperwork for my committee/composite letter -- will probably do that next week or the week after

* met with a DOA today and discussed my application and options -- very informative

So overall I think I'm still on-track for a first-week submission. I'm curious how I'll feel when it's time to hit the "submit application" button: nervous, anxious, excited, etc.
 
I'm not certain if A-'s are considered or if they're rounded, but I suspect that since AMCAS tends to be cruel, they are probably counted as a 3.8 or something rather than a 4.0.

AMCAS counts an A- as a 3.7. FYI.

Is anyone else in a similar boat, and if so:
1. How have you covered your weaknesses? AND
2. What strengths have you sought to accentuate?

A strong post-bacc goes a long way towards redemption of previous academic follies. Coupled with a good MCAT and I think you've demonstrated that you have the capability to handle the med school curriculum. At least that's the dream I'm clinging onto.

I think as a non-trad my (our) #1 strength is maturity. So I'm accentuating things that emphasize maturity: leadership roles, logical decision making, perspective, etc.
 
All six of my transcripts were received last week - never thought it'd happen!

LORs are all sitting with my post-bac school and the pre-health committee already met, so I assume my advisor is writing up my committee letter soon.

Got the AMCAS application all filled out and ready to submit next week - I just keep going back and forth on how many schools to apply to before I see my MCAT score. At this point I'm thinking 18. I'm definitely applying this cycle no matter what happens with my MCAT score (if I have to I'll re-take it in August and add lots more schools), so I figure I may as well check off those schools I'm definitely applying to regardless, and start the process in early June rather than wait until my score is released in mid-July.

Currently in the process of sacrificing myself to the MCAT gods. VR, BS and I are friends. But PS is killing me. Starting to wonder if I can get in somewhere if I only pull a 7 on PS provided BS and VR are both over 10. Le Sigh. Wish me luck for June 15th.
 
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My situation is this: I am a 24 year old Caucasian male, native to Pennsylvania. I have a cumulative undergrad GPA of 3.0 and a science GPA of 2.9, both at Cornell University. Yes, bad.

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Is anyone else in a similar boat, and if so:
1. How have you covered your weaknesses? AND
2. What strengths have you sought to accentuate?

I should note that I am also getting a composite letter from my post-bacc committee, so I guess that makes a total of 6 letters. It was the post-bacc office's recommendation that I get 5 individual letters from which they will then write a composite.

I hope this either A. helps someone else out there who is in a similar boat by being inspriational (believe me this isn't easy, but if you plug away at it, it sure is rewarding!) or B. gets a response so I can stop sitting on the edge of my seat!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!,
Minos

I'd have to say I was in a similar boat with a 3.1 GPA (3.0 sciences) before I started by post bacc, did 2 years and 2 summers of full-time "A" student work to bring my GPA up to a final 3.4, and got a 33 on the MCAT. Only big difference is I'm 10 years older.

I applied to 15 schools, kinda late by submitting my application in mid September(many have said this is why I didn't get any traction out of state), got 2 interviews (both instate, which was what I wanted anyways), was wait-listed at both schools, and got accepted off the wait-list to one of them (one of my top choices!). 😍

I wouldn't try to "cover" any weaknesses, but try to improve on them and highlight your strengths. I just tried to prove that I could handle undergraduate science coursework and get A's, prove that I knew what the job of a physician was through shadowing, show that I enjoy giving back to the community through volunteering, and tried to express my passion for medicine throughout the essays and interviews that came later. Just keep plugging along and stay true to your dream of becoming a physician. Explore areas of medicine to prove both to the committee and to yourself that this is your goal in life. Show them the maturity you have being 24, and that you are driven to this path. You can make it! :clap:

Good luck to you and all of the other non-traditional students this year! :luck::luck::luck:
 
Well, I decided to bite the bullet and submit for the 2008 cycle (I haven't heard anything promising concerning Pitt's waitlist); thank Jebus I don't have to re-enter all of my coursework. Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more.

The only difficulty I'm currently facing is what to do regarding my EC's - I've got quite a few more that are directly relevant (the textbook chapters for CCN and ODR, the two studies, etc.), so I don't know what to cut.
 
Quix: I see on your mdapps page that you submitted your application to AMCAS last June but weren't verified until September. I thought that if you got your app in in June it's usually a 1-3 week turn-around, and that the turn-around gets longer and longer the later in the season you submit. But your experience definitely doesn't mesh with that. Did AMCAS have some problems/issues/follow-up with your transcripts or application in order to complete verification? Or was it really a 3-4 month verification with nothing out of the ordinary? If so, YIKES!

Btw, good luck. I've been following your progress and think pitt should definitely have come to their senses by now and sent you an acceptance. I really hope you get in off the waitlist and your 2008 application becomes moot!
 
Thanks, phoenix, I appreciate it. AMCAS verification is really an unknown quantity - they keep their own schedule which can vary from person to person significantly, and I've not found any rhyme or reason to it.
 
All 3 of my transcripts made it to AMCAS in one piece, the app is mostly done- now it's waiting and making sure I don't have any more errors in the app (I mistakenly put my father in as "female"😛). Hopefully there aren't any holdups in the verification (fingers crossed).
 
oh the hoops.. I just emailed a professor from 12 years ago who is now the dean of the school I attended at my undergrad university asking for a LOR. I hope to god she remembers me- I had her for an entire year for a class composed of 12 people. plus I think she was my field advisor. I tried to jog her memory by mentioning other people in my cohort.. *fingers crossed for good long-term recall*
 
btw, I heard back from Penn State last week about getting LORs from schools you attended a long, long time ago:

If you are not able to secure subjective recommendations from your previous institutions, some official documentation, signed by a university official (Registrar, Dean, etc.) on university letterhead, indicating that you were a student there during your indicated period of enrollment, that you were a student in good standing, and that you completed the program of study you indicated on your AMCAS application, would suffice.
 
Thanks, phoenix, I appreciate it. AMCAS verification is really an unknown quantity - they keep their own schedule which can vary from person to person significantly, and I've not found any rhyme or reason to it.

Ah, I feel a little better now. I thought you had submitted your app in early June and it took until September to get verified. I just read a thread from last year discussing verification timelines, and I see you submitted on July 24th. Still a good two months to get verified, but at least it wasn't four months! Here's the link if anyone wants to see what type of delay/timing to expect once you submit:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=291680&page=30
 
oh the hoops.. I just emailed a professor from 12 years ago who is now the dean of the school I attended at my undergrad university asking for a LOR. I hope to god she remembers me- I had her for an entire year for a class composed of 12 people. plus I think she was my field advisor. I tried to jog her memory by mentioning other people in my cohort.. *fingers crossed for good long-term recall*


:wow: 😱

...and she just emailed me back at 9:30pm saying she remembers me and would be happy to write a letter. :biglove: :clap:

holy crap!
 
quote=pingouin;5215611]:wow: 😱

...and she just emailed me back at 9:30pm saying she remembers me and would be happy to write a letter. :biglove: :clap:

holy crap![/quote]
:clap::banana:[

I finally finished my activities/work section. All that's left is my personal statement and for them to receive my last transcript (any day now!). Then onto AACOMAS next week!
 
Hey 2008 nontrads,
I am a 2007 nontrad, just wanted to congratulate you guys for being so on the ball and getting your applications in so early. This is SO IMPORTANT! If you haven't gotten your materials together yet, do it soon! I wish I had been as smart as you guys, I submitted in October and wasn't confirmed until late December, I definitely put myself at a big disadvantage--I had no idea people actually applied so early, that is one of those areas where being a non-trad, with no other pre-med friends/advisors around to tell you what to do, can really hurt.

Anyhow, I am off to start med school in August with the kiddies and their silly popped collars and Facebook and whatnot, a little nervous, but also excited. Best of luck to you all, I will need fellow grownups to hang out with in school!
 
👍 zeff!

My closer SDN mates and I are all set to submit next week or so and AACOMAS will be following as soon as it's available. With the bummer of an MCAT yesterday, I really need to submit early!
 
Submitting early is really important, I agree, especially if you are a non-trad. I have all of my materials ready and set to go. LORs, essays, AMCAS app and all my EC experiences have been prepped and ready to go since January. The only thing that I wish I had completed before hand is my first author paper which is still in progress of being reviewed/ revised. Otherwise, I have 4 others that I hope will count towards something with the adcoms. I have been continuing with my shadowing for a little over a year now and I've gotten a lot of good feedback and experience from it to help with my essays.

Good luck to everyone!:luck:
 
You knew it was coming. Given that AMCAS opens "on or about" tomorrow (May 3rd), it seemed like an appropriate time to open up the progress thread.

As for me, here's my progress so far...

MCAT -- April 7, 2007 -- Results forthcoming


Time to psych ourselves up!
-z


Aren't you Kuba? Didn't you get accepted for this fall already?

I am a total non-trad. I have two kids and am 34. I got in med school, starting fall 2007. If anyone has any questions, especially moms, give me a PM.
 
Submitting early is really important, I agree, especially if you are a non-trad. I have all of my materials ready and set to go. LORs, essays, AMCAS app and all my EC experiences have been prepped and ready to go since January. The only thing that I wish I had completed before hand is my first author paper which is still in progress of being reviewed/ revised. Otherwise, I have 4 others that I hope will count towards something with the adcoms. I have been continuing with my shadowing for a little over a year now and I've gotten a lot of good feedback and experience from it to help with my essays.

Good luck to everyone!:luck:


I would totally agree. I applied late both times, and it just added to my stress and struggle. You have to wait for stuff that you have no control over, transcripts, people checking over you apps, so give yourself a break if you can and apply as early as possible.
 
Aren't you Kuba? Didn't you get accepted for this fall already?

I am a total non-trad. I have two kids and am 34. I got in med school, starting fall 2007. If anyone has any questions, especially moms, give me a PM.

They just have the same avatar. Some guy from a tv show.
 
Well I just completed all sections of AMCAS today, YEAH!!😀😀

I am ready to submit as soon as they let us. Now it is just more waiting to see how it all turns out this year😕😕
 
Well I just completed all sections of AMCAS today, YEAH!!😀😀

I am ready to submit as soon as they let us. Now it is just more waiting to see how it all turns out this year😕😕

+1, I finished mine over the weekend, too. I'm going to have someone read over it to help catch any silly mistakes, but otherwise I think I'm ready for submission.
 
So, who else is going to be taking a big trembling breath before hitting "submit" tomorrow? Perhaps my anxiety is simply compounded by my upcoming June 15th MCAT.

So, any ideas when submission will open?
 
So, who else is going to be taking a big trembling breath before hitting "submit" tomorrow? Perhaps my anxiety is simply compounded by my upcoming June 15th MCAT.

So, any ideas when submission will open?

Oh, yes, I'll be anxious, but it will be so anti-climactic. Then the big wait for verification begins. I hate hurry up and wait. 👎

My guess is it will open around 9:00am ET.
 
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