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2009-2010 Secondary Application Thread

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  1. shemarty

    shemarty 7+ Year Member

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    When you receive a secondary, PM (Private Message) ksmi117 and me with the prompt and LOR reqs. We'll update this thread.

    2008-2009 Secondary Prompts

    Albany Medical College - Prompt - Thread
    Albert Einstein College of Medicine - Prompt - Thread
    Baylor - Prompt - Thread
    Boston University - Prompt - Thread
    Brown - Prompt - Thread
    Case Western - Prompt - Thread
    Columbia - Secondary - Prompt - Thread
    Cornell University (Weill) - Prompt - Thread
    Creighton - Prompt - Thread
    Dartmouth - Prompt - Thread
    Drexel - Prompt - Thread
    Duke - Prompt - Thread
    East Carolina (Brody) - Prompt - Thread
    East Tennessee (Quillen) - Prompt - Thread
    Eastern Virginia Medical College - Prompt - Thread
    Emory - Prompt - Thread
    Florida International University - Prompt - Thread
    Florida State University - Prompt - Thread
    George Washington University - Prompt - Thread
    Georgetown - Prompt - Thread
    Harvard - Prompt - Thread
    Howard - Prompt - Thread
    Indiana University - Prompt - Thread
    Jefferson - Prompt - Thread
    Johns Hopkins - Prompt - Thread
    Loma Linda - Prompt - Thread
    Loyola (Stritch) - Prompt - Thread
    LSU - New Orleans - Prompt - Thread
    LSU - Shreveport - Prompt - Thread
    Mayo - Prompt - Application Thread
    Marshall University (Edwards) - Prompt - Thread
    Medical College of Georgia - Prompt - Thread
    Medical College of Wisconsin - Prompt - Thread
    Medical University of South Carolina - Prompt - Thread
    Mercer - Prompt - Thread
    Michigan State - Prompt - Thread
    Meharry - Prompt - Thread
    Morehouse - Prompt - Thread
    Mount Sinai - Prompt - Thread
    New York Medical College - Prompt - Thread
    NEOUCOM - Prompt - Thread
    Northwestern - Prompt - Thread
    NYU - Prompt - Thread
    Ohio State - Prompt - Thread
    Oregon Health & Sciences University - Prompt - Thread
    Penn State - Prompt - Thread
    Rosalind Franklin - Prompt - Thread
    Rush - Prompt - Thread
    SLU - Prompt - Thread
    Stanford - Prompt - Thread
    Stony Brook - Prompt - Thread
    SUNY Downstate - Prompt - Thread
    SUNY Upstate - Prompt - Thread
    Southern Illinois University - Prompt - Thread
    Temple - Prompt - Thread
    Texas A&M - Prompt - Thread
    Texas Tech - Prompt - Thread
    Texas Tech (El Paso) - Prompt - Thread
    The Commonwealth Medical College - Prompt - Thread
    Tufts - Prompt - Thread
    Tulane - Prompt - Thread
    UMDNJ-RWJMS - Prompt - Thread
    UMDNJ-NJMS - Prompt - Thread
    Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences - Prompt - Thread
    University of Alabama - Prompt - Thread
    University of Arizona - Prompt - Thread
    University of Arkansas - Prompt - Thread
    University at Buffalo (SUNY) - Prompt - Thread
    University of California - Davis - Prompt - Thread
    University of California - Irvine - Prompt - Thread
    University of California - Los Angeles - Prompt - Thread
    UCLA/Drew - Prompt - Thread
    University of California - San Diego - Prompt - Thread
    University of California - San Francisco - Prompt - Thread
    University of Central Florida - Prompt - Thread
    University of Chicago (Pritzker) - Prompt - Thread
    University of Cincinnati - Prompt - Thread
    University of Colorado - Prompt - Thread
    University of Connecticut - Prompt - Thread
    University of Florida - Prompt - Thread
    University of Hawaii - Prompt - Thread
    University of Illinois - Prompt - Thread
    University of Iowa (Carver) - Prompt - Thread
    University of Kansas - Prompt - Thread
    University of Kentucky - Prompt - Thread
    University of Louisville - Prompt - Thread
    University of Maryland - Prompt - Thread
    University of Massachusetts - Prompt - Thread
    University of Miami - Prompt - Thread
    University of Michigan - Prompt - Thread
    University of Minnesota - Prompt - Thread
    University of Mississippi - Prompt - Thread
    University of Missouri (Columbia) - Prompt - Thread
    University of Nebraska - Prompt - Thread
    University of Nevada - Prompt - Thread
    University of New Mexico - Prompt - Thread
    University of North Carolina - Prompt - Thread
    University of North Dakota - Prompt - Thread
    University of Oklahoma - Prompt - Thread
    University of Pennsylvania - Prompt - Thread
    University of Pittsburgh - Prompt - Thread
    University of Rochester - Prompt - Thread
    University of South Alabama - Prompt - Thread
    University of South Carolina - Prompt - Thread
    University of South Dakota - Prompt - Thread
    University of South Florida - Prompt - Thread
    University of Southern California (Keck) - Prompt - Thread
    University of Tennessee - Prompt - Thread
    University of Texas - Galveston - Prompt - Thread
    University of Texas - Houston - Prompt - Thread
    University of Texas - San Antonio - Prompt - Thread
    University of Texas - Southwestern - Prompt - Thread
    University of Toledo - Prompt - Thread
    University of Utah - Prompt - Thread
    University of Vermont - Prompt - Thread
    University of Virginia - Prompt - Thread
    University of Washington - Prompt - Thread
    University of Wisconsin - Prompt - Thread
    Vanderbilt University - Prompt - Thread
    Virginia Commonwealth University - Prompt - Thread
    Virginia Tech Carilion - Prompt - Thread
    Wake Forest University - Prompt - Thread
    Washington University in St. Louis - Prompt - Thread
    Wayne State - Prompt - Thread
    West Virginia University - Prompt - Thread
    Wright State - Prompt - Thread
    Yale - Prompt - Thread
     
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  3. dw2158

    dw2158 2+ Year Member

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    i love you guys for making this. you just saved me many minutes of hitting the search button :love:
     
  4. Sonyfan08

    Sonyfan08 7+ Year Member

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    Do the schools use the same topics each year? And exactly what does the secondary application compose of?
     
  5. dw2158

    dw2158 2+ Year Member

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    mostly. you can draft them ahead of time but sometimes schools will tweak them from year to year.

    for some schools it's more essays and for some it's just a form and an application fee. browse around-- look at the link in this thread and you'll get a sense of what different schools ask.
     
  6. felipe23

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    People seem to recieve secondaries and send them out very quickly. How often do people get their essays edited? Or do most people just look it over themselves and then send it out?

    In terms of optional essays, does it look bad if you don't do them?

    Also, my pre-health committee letter won't be ready till August first. My primary won't be submitted untill probably June 26 at the latest. I'm assuming I'll be verified by the second or third week of July, and thus will recieve secondaries late July. However i'm working on them now so I will probably send most of them before August 1st. Do LORs have to be sent with secondaries, or can they be sent after secondaries have been sent?

    Sorry for posting these annoying questions but I need to know how to organize my summer...
     
  7. felipe23

    felipe23 2+ Year Member

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    anyonnnneee??????
     
  8. trueBelief

    trueBelief 5+ Year Member

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    I don't know much but as far as I can tell your application is considered incomplete until the schools have received your secondary applications, LORs and your verified primary. Approximating when AMCAS will be verified and when your letter packet will be sent can give you a good idea of the earliest your application will be complete.

    Hope this helps and someone correct me if I am wrong.
     
  9. felipe23

    felipe23 2+ Year Member

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    Thanks guys, and how often do you guys edit your secondary essays? Do you guys just write them, look it over, and then turn it in? Or do you write it, send it to people to check over, edit it, and then send it in? Seems really time consuming, especially with 42 schoolsssssss
     
  10. Appless

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    I edit them a bit, review them a few times etc etc...remember this isnt the PS where you need to have 19023921 people look over and make it perfect. content is far more important then style for secondaries. Write it out, make sure it says what you want, and make sure the grammer is good then send. Most of these things are literally 5 sentances or less sometimes so they are very easy to write. I did a rough draft for about 30 schools based on last years prompts and it didnt take me too long. They often repeat themselves and if you are a decent writer you can get them going fast. Also remember that while you may have applied to 42 schools, close to 10 ( or in my case about 15) of them will have no secondary prompts or the equivalent of no prompts so it will cut down on your work. Also since you can easily copy and past a few common essays (such as diversity, overcoming challenges) that dramatically cuts down on the work.

    Also im not saying these arent important or you should give your best effort. Its just that they are not as bad as people would have you think. doing 30 secondaries or so isnt that hard. Honestly for some schools it seems like its going to take longer to fill out the pre req grid then do the propmts. You can have people read a few of your secondaries but i doubt anyone would read 30+ of them for you (i know i wouldnt even for my best friend). Thats just too much work.
     
  11. NeuroChaos

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    I generally follow this: write, let sit for 3 days, edit the third day, after reading it once more on 4th day send in the fourth day. Ofcourse, it also depends on the 2ndry, long secondaries may take 2 days to write. But for 2ndaries <1 page, this seems to work out pretty well.
     
  12. felipe23

    felipe23 2+ Year Member

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    Alright guys thanks for the help I really appreciate it. Maybe some secondaries will screen me out and that would be even less work lol jk
     
  13. camaras2480

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    ditttooo
     
  14. nick_carraway

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    Agreed. Getting my English degree girlfriend to read select essays is tough enough. I have to kick the charm up a few notches before sending her 18 pages of melodramatic BS on a hot summer day.

    And BTW, I never realized just how many schools there are until I scrolled through that list trying to find all the hyperlinked prompts. My eyes are still fuzzy.
     
  15. ashtangi

    ashtangi 2+ Year Member

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    So far I've only heard of one school sending out secondary invites: Dartmouth. Anything else?
     
  16. apags

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    I received Ohio State, Florida State, and Uniformed Services secondary request today...

    Does anyone know if these schools just send them to everyone who intially applied?
     
  17. dw2158

    dw2158 2+ Year Member

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    you guys should check out the threads specific to the schools you're applying to. that's where the answers will be :)
     
  18. lostsoul2007

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    Does anyone know where I can find a list of schools with secondaires that have no essays?
     
  19. Appless

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    You wont know until the school releases the secondary, however if you check the 2008-2009 secondary thread, you will see which schools didnt require essays and chances are they will be the same this year.
     
  20. camaras2480

    camaras2480 Wrapping things up 5+ Year Member

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    Columbia and GWU have officially sent - and they are already available anyway.

    p.s. im not verified yet
     
  21. Infinitydrop

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    Can you get secondaries before your primary is even verified?

    and what is the 2-4 weeks limit for send it in? what if that limit is reached before your letter can be sent in or primary gets verified

    how do you recieve most secondaries? snailmail, email?
     
  22. futuredoctor10

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    Not sure.

    I don't think there is such a limit. Usually people recommend submitting your secondary in ~2-4 weeks after receiving it - that is maybe what you are referring to?

    All I have received so far have been by email.
     
  23. FML

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    yes you can get some before verification

    most are by email as in email with link to website or PDF that you have to mail in. I also just got an email telling me that a secondary was coming via snail mail
     
  24. 78manCA

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    Is it important to use most or all of the allotted space for each essay. I am writing one that gives space for about 3000 characters but only have about 1800 or so. Does this matter to admissions folk? Thanks for your help.:)
     
  25. Appless

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    It doesnt matter at all, length is a non-issue for just about every single secondary there is. The more concise the better.
     
  26. Sophia88

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  27. andafoo

    andafoo Andy 2+ Year Member

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    This is question for everyone:

    Without having actually attended any recruitment events or visiting the school before, how much do you actually know about the schools you are applying to aside from its reputation?

    I'm finding it a bit hard to really understand how some of the schools really will be like, I'm pretty sure I'm making some assumptions that most of the schools I'm applying to will be like the medical school at my alma mater.

    Any comments?
     
  28. Appless

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    simply put you dont know anything and you cant unless you are from the area, its your alma mater, or you somehow have visited/maybe have friends or family there. Honestly I just applied to schools I think I would have a chance at. If you dont apply by that rule, others apply by geography or whether a school is focused on primary care or research. But truthfully you will always be making assumptions and not know about each school until you at least go on an interview day there. Even then imo, you wont really know until you are enrolled and attending...
     
  29. andafoo

    andafoo Andy 2+ Year Member

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    Then how we do answer questions like why our school? Do you just answer honestly with: I have a hunch your school is good? I like the weather?
     
  30. Appless

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  31. mashuk1983

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    Mount Sinai prompts

    .1. Personal Essay One (Required) (suggested 250 words or less) .
    What makes you special, someone who will add to the Mount Sinai community?​
    .2. Personal Essay Two (Optional) (suggested 200 words or less) .
    Indicate the reasons for your specific interest in Mount Sinai. ​
     
  32. red10

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    Why is 2 weeks the magic number for returning secondary apps?

    Is it like, after 2 weeks we put your file in a dusty cabinet and take our time getting it back out if you submit your secondary after that? I mean so many have deadlines in Dec or Jan and OF COURSE you want to get everything in ASAP and not put it off but why is 2 weeks the time frame they all use?
     
  33. camaras2480

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    lol. it is a recommended deadline - and if u meet it, some schools see it as you are genuinely interested. of course, they wont hate u if u don't do it in 2 weeks.
     
  34. Abdullaah

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    Bumping what I think are 2 good questions.
     
  35. camaras2480

    camaras2480 Wrapping things up 5+ Year Member

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    1800/3000 is fine. I think a reasonable general rule for essays with large character limits is ~70%. So I would guess that the average applicant would write ~2100 for the 3000 essay, just as a benchmark. But I can bet good money someone with 1500 will get in too.


    Do what Elijah said. That's really the only option sometimes.
     
  36. felipe23

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    Okay so I found out my committee letters won't be done until the first week of august and then they will be sent in. I have submitted like 8 or 9 secondaries. Will they even look at it until my letter gets to them? I mean I paid and everything...!!!
     
  37. camaras2480

    camaras2480 Wrapping things up 5+ Year Member

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    Probably not.
     
  38. Appless

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    you app will not be looked at until lors come in and you wont be complete until they are.
     
  39. red10

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    Go read up about them and their mission statement ETC. I'll probably answer the question the same way I'll be answering "why are you a good fit for us".

    I mean there are reasons you picked them over say some mexican med school that you could probably get into without batting an eye. I think just patting them on the back a little and explaining how you are what they want (although you'd probably spin it around and say they are what you want)
     
  40. Flawless

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    Can't you bribe them to write it for you at least a couple weeks early??! Just try it! Worked perfectly for me. :D
     
  41. Abdullaah

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    So how did you guys get your passport-sized photos which some of these schools require? Some schools want you to upload it online while others (GWU, i.e.) want it attached to the form for you to mail in :confused:
     
  42. Flawless

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    epassportphoto.com
     
  43. jpdc

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    Hey Everyone--

    So I'm super paranoid, and I am starting to get nervous.

    Does anyone here know which schools (specifically) are supposed to send you secondaries WITHOUT AMCAS verification, and which typically wait?

    I ask only because I submitted to AMCAS in early July (although my last transcript didn't arrive until the 20th), and I have yet to receive only two secondaries.

    I know there are people out there who have inboxes "full of secondary applications" and so I was wondering if this is abnormal, considering that I applied to 20ish schools?

    Thanks!
    JP
     
  44. Appless

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    until you are verified there is nothing to worry about.
     
  45. GirlAnachronism

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    can anyone tell me who does automatic secondaries? my app was verified yesterday and all of a sudden about 9 secondaries trickled in throughout today....

    i'm wondering if they even read my personal statement since I got a secondary so fast...
     
  46. camaras2480

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    They didn't read your PS. I think the current guess is about 80% of schools auto send (almost all of the top 30). It is easier to think of schools that don't: Vandy, Miami, Eastern Virginia, VCU... I can't think of any more at the moment.
     
  47. Schwann

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    How come Saint Louis university school of medicine is not on this list>?>!!!
     
  48. UnfeatyOblation

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    It's under "SLU".
     
  49. Abdullaah

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    Write an essay that provides us with some insight into why you would like to join X School of Medicine.

    I would like to enroll in X medical school for many reasons. Blah, blah...

    ...This is how I start all of my secondaries lol. Anybody got better topic sentences or is this ok? :confused: :bang:
     
  50. camaras2480

    camaras2480 Wrapping things up 5+ Year Member

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    Write it as you would say it, since it may be asked at an interview.
     
  51. dw2158

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    what? no. do not write your essays colloquially.

    also, why would an interviewer care if you spoke the exact words that were in the first sentence of your essay? the important thing is to be honest with the content.
     

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