2009 Match Lists

[BlackDr2b]

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^^^
Almost 30% of the class matched into Internal Medicine. Not impressive.

What if Internal Medicine is what they wanted? There are people out there who do want to go into Primary Care, like myself.

 

[pntgrd]

^^^
Almost 30% of the class matched into Internal Medicine. Not impressive.

How is that unimpressive? That must be the most ignorant comment I've heard on sdn lately.

 

[Demas567]

How is that unimpressive? That must be the most ignorant comment I've heard on sdn lately.

Because a lot of people who can't get into ortho, ENT, derm, ophtho, rad, etc even though they originally wanted to usually end up going into Internal Medicine.

That and also because Internal Medicine is not a very difficult specialty to match into.

 

[ruralmd]

^^^
Almost 30% of the class matched into Internal Medicine. Not impressive.

How so? To go into subspecialities like cardio, gastroenterology, etc you have to finish a residency in internal medicine.

 

[ChubbyChaser]

Because a lot of people who can't get into ortho, ENT, derm, ophtho, rad, etc even though they originally wanted to usually end up going into Internal Medicine.

That and also because Internal Medicine is not a very difficult specialty to match into.

Lmao...look at where they matched, not too shabby.

 

[Excelsius]

Maybe we need more schools here, but so far it seems that Columbia, Yale, and Duke are the main NS depots. Interesting that all are Ivies.

 

[blackbird11384]

Maybe we need more schools here, but so far it seems that Columbia, Yale, and Duke are the main NS depots. Interesting that all are Ivies.

If by "NS" you mean Neurosurgery, and by "main depots" you mean large producers of, Georgetown matched 5 students into neurosurgery as well.

 

[SDN2013]

Maybe we need more schools here, but so far it seems that Columbia, Yale, and Duke are the main NS depots. Interesting that all are Ivies.

since when was Duke considered an ivy?

 

[Ashers]

since when was Duke considered an ivy?

It's the Princeton of the South? 😉

 

[Excelsius]

If by "NS" you mean Neurosurgery, and by "main depots" you mean large producers of, Georgetown matched 5 students into neurosurgery as well.

That's pretty good. Actually the only school that I am sure about is Columbia because I have seen their matchlists for several years. All these other schools are from just one year. It would be nice if we could have access to matchlists with aggregated data from three or more years. They would be much more meaningful then and would more or less squelch staunch critics like Law2Doc.

 

[speyeder]

Because a lot of people who can't get into ortho, ENT, derm, ophtho, rad, etc even though they originally wanted to usually end up going into Internal Medicine.

That and also because Internal Medicine is not a very difficult specialty to match into.

You have no basis for saying this. How do you know, are you in their class? Don't assume that everyone wants to go into derm or ophtho. It's simply not true.

 

[Ashers]

The IVY league is a sports league like the PAC 10, SEC, BigEast, etc.

DUKE IS NOT PART OF THE IVY LEAGUE.

This time I am eyelling and not just emphasizing cuz this is a huge pet peeve of mine. People call all top tier schools IVIES. IVY LEAGUE DOES NOT EQUAL SYNONYM FOR ALL TOP TIER SCHOOLS. It is a specific subset of schools in the NE that just happen to be some of the oldest and most reputated schools.

The ivy league schools include Princeton, Penn, Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, Brown, and I think Dartmouth but someone may have to correct me on the last one or any I may have left out.

Fixed for you. (Being a Princeton alumnus kid, it's engrained in me to list Princeton first -- that's all) 😉

As for the list, yes, Dartmouth is one and Yale. There are 8.

 

[SDN2013]

lol @ forgetting Yale 🙂

 

[Excelsius]

The IVY league is a sports league like the PAC 10, SEC, BigEast, etc.

DUKE IS NOT PART OF THE IVY LEAGUE.

This time I am eyelling and not just emphasizing cuz this is a huge pet peeve of mine. People call all top tier schools IVIES. IVY LEAGUE DOES NOT EQUAL SYNONYM FOR ALL TOP TIER SCHOOLS. It is a specific subset of schools in the NE that just happen to be some of the oldest and most reputated schools.

The ivy league schools include UPenn, Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, Princeton, Brown, and I think Dartmouth but someone may have to correct me on the last one or any I may have left out.

That's fine. I don't mean Ivies in the strict sense. Perhaps I could use a smaller letter. To me, Stanford, Duke, Hopkins, Rice, and to some extent MIT and Caltech represent a very special level of colleges that are not just "top," but are also very famous (including abroad) in a way that schools like WashU and UCSF do not even come close. I don't have a particular name for these schools, so I call them "ivies" since they are up to par with the prestige and fame of the real Ivies. I haven't come up with a better name and for now will have to just keep using the small letter "ivy." I am sure you can cope. Just call Stanford the Ivy of the West, Duke the Ivy of the South, etc.

 

[Excelsius]

I'm sure you can find them if you do an SDN search. People post match lists every year.

However, they would not squelch critics like Law2doc because his points still stand.

We do not know the following as premeds:

1. Whether medical students took the residency spots they did either due to lower scores or stuff and not being competitive for higher spots in their field much less for more comp. fields or because they chose their field or location.

2. We don't know what percent got their 1st choice.

3. We don't know what motivates them to rank one vs. another

There are so many variables that it doesn't really say much to us.

This is irrelevant. You can give me an example of any system and I can tell you hundreds of things that we may not know. Instead, try to concentrate on what we do know. You see a school producing a good number of NS residents on a yearly basis, for example. Then you know for sure that the school has the proper means and the advising process to get you there. Just that fact answers all of your hypotheticals above. Don't be too wooed by lawyerism. I have a lot of experience in that area myself, though admittedly, not as much as Herr L2D.

 

[scrambizle]

What I don't understand is why they still use this system of IM and then subspecialty instead of just creating direct programs like they do with other specialties like radonco, neuro, derm, etc.

It's because you need the foundation of medicine in order be be a competent medical specialist. Dermatologists are never the primary team of a patient, but the GI and Cards services are. In fact, much of the IM residency at large hospitals is spent on the GI, Cards, Heme-onc, etc. service.

 

[MrBurns10]

This is irrelevant. You can give me an example of any system and I can tell you hundreds of things that we may not know. Instead, try to concentrate on what we do know. You see a school producing a good number of NS residents on a yearly basis, for example. Then you know for sure that the school has the proper means and the advising process to get you there. Just that fact answers all of your hypotheticals above. Don't be too wooed by lawyerism. I have a lot of experience in that area myself, though admittedly, not as much as Herr L2D.

Not everyone will, but I agree with you. One match list can tell you very little, but 5 years of match lists can give you trends. They can at least hint at the emphasis of the school and the quality of advising in various departments.

 

[scarletgirl777]

Fixed for you. (Being a Princeton alumnus kid, it's engrained in me to list Princeton first -- that's all) 😉

As for the list, yes, Dartmouth is one and Yale. There are 8.

Now your "Princeton of the South" comment makes total sense.

 

[scarletgirl777]

That's fine. I don't mean Ivies in the strict sense. Perhaps I could use a smaller letter. To me, Stanford, Duke, Hopkins, Rice, and to some extent MIT and Caltech represent a very special level of colleges that are not just "top," but are also very famous (including abroad) in a way that schools like WashU and UCSF do not even come close. I don't have a particular name for these schools, so I call them "ivies" since they are up to par with the prestige and fame of the real Ivies. I haven't come up with a better name and for now will have to just keep using the small letter "ivy." I am sure you can cope. Just call Stanford the Ivy of the West, Duke the Ivy of the South, etc.

There is no small letter "ivy." You're just wrong.

 

[MrBurns10]

Now your "Princeton of the South" comment makes total sense.

Hmm, well the architecture is strikingly similar. I thought that's what she was referring to.

 

[Ashers]

Now your "Princeton of the South" comment makes total sense.

Well... mostly based on hearing that Duke's architectural style was based on Princeton's. Since it was related to Princeton, I just happened to remember the tidbit.

Edit: wow... totally missed MrBurns' post last night. She was right. =)

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

It's because you need the foundation of medicine in order be be a competent medical specialist. Dermatologists are never the primary team of a patient, but the GI and Cards services are. In fact, much of the IM residency at large hospitals is spent on the GI, Cards, Heme-onc, etc. service.

Aren't there some programs looking at "fast-track" residency models for cards?

I think this model may come more into play for residency sort of like integrated plastics, thoracic surgery, vascular surgery...

 

[Excelsius]

There is no small letter "ivy." You're just wrong.

I know! As I said, it is a personal choice for me. Let's not get too picky. I can call it perhaps "Ivylike" to prevent several posts about the same point.

 

[Doctor&Geek]

MCG
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7992402&postcount=10

 

[MrBurns10]

Aren't there some programs looking at "fast-track" residency models for cards?

I think this model may come more into play for residency sort of like integrated plastics, thoracic surgery, vascular surgery...

Yep, I believe the "fast track" cards residency is 2 years of IM and 4(?) of cards. It's not too popular right now, but my friend told me it at least exists.

 

[RoadRunner17]

Yep, I believe the "fast track" cards residency is 2 years of IM and 4(?) of cards. It's not too popular right now, but my friend told me it at least exists.

Just curious - maybe you can help me out here, but what is the main purpose behind a program like Medicine-Pediatrics (Med-Peds)? I've seen that on a few matchlists and was wondering what that was all about.

 

[Ashers]

Just curious - maybe you can help me out here, but what is the main purpose behind a program like Medicine-Pediatrics (Med-Peds)? I've seen that on a few matchlists and was wondering what that was all about.

It's a combined residency program. 4 years total when pediatrics or medicine by itself is 3 years each. It gives the person the ability to see adults and children, but have some more specialization with each compared to Family Med. And there's no OB/gyn involved, like in Family Med.

Edit: You can also do a bunch of fellowships and follow patients for their whole lives: eg. med-peds cards and then follow adult patients with congenital anomalies. One meds-peds I met this year is doing a Medicine ID fellowship, and she can see regular peds electively.

There are a few combined programs:
Med-geriatrics
Med-neuro
etc.

 

[MrBurns10]

It's a combined residency program. 4 years total when pediatrics or medicine by itself is 3 years each. It gives the person the ability to see adults and children, but have some more specialization with each compared to Family Med. And there's no OB/gyn involved, like in Family Med.

There are a few combined programs:
Med-geriatrics
Med-neuro
etc.

Explained beautifully! I've known a few students who ended up choosing med-peds because they weren't sure which one they'd rather do in the long run.

 

[Ashers]

You beat me to it!!!!!!!!! LOL

That said, I agree with everything you said.

Also, EM/IM is a dual program that I've heard exists. and for DO people I've heard they have both the EM/IM option or the dual FP/EM option, but MD programs don't have a dual FP/EM program though they do have IM/EM programs.

I also edited it, since I forgot a bunch of stuff that is relevant. 😀

 

[MrBurns10]

But in reality, both peds and IM mirror each other to some degree but one is the adult version and one is the children's version. But I would guess that by doing both you are able to work with all age groups like a FP would but yet be able to go slightly deeper then an FP because your level of knowledge is slightly deeper then an FP's knowledge would be.

That is what I think anyways.

I agree. Plus, FM is more outpatient-oriented while IM/Peds can be inpatient, outpatient, or both.

 

[diosa428]

I agree. Plus, FM is more outpatient-oriented while IM/Peds can be inpatient, outpatient, or both.

And you can specialize in IM/Peds. You can't do cards, GI, etc fellowships as a FM doc.

 

[RoadRunner17]

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

 

[mymembernames]

Anyone have or know where i can find University of Arizona's match results?

 

[Ashers]

Thanks just read it. You stated everything beautifully in your posts!!! I agree with everything that yourself, diosa, and MrBurns10 has stated in their posts. 🙂

Totally agreed with everyone else as well. Good work team! =)

 

[MrBurns10]

Totally agreed with everyone else as well. Good work team! =)

Look at that teamwork...and all without PBL!

 

[RafaTech]

University of Illinois at Chicago - Chicago Campus 2009 Match:

http://www.uic.edu/depts/mcam/osa/careers/MatchData/2009MatchResultsbySpecialty.htm

 

[Twitch]

Univ of TX HSC San Antonio Match List

linky doo

 

[drizzt3117]

nm

 

[TerdFerguson]

http://webcampus.drexelmed.edu/cdc/files/2009_Match_Results.html

 

[jknolls]

dude, get a life!!!

The IVY league is a sports league like the PAC 10, SEC, BigEast, etc.

DUKE IS NOT PART OF THE IVY LEAGUE.

This time I am eyelling and not just emphasizing cuz this is a huge pet peeve of mine. People call all top tier schools IVIES. IVY LEAGUE DOES NOT EQUAL SYNONYM FOR ALL TOP TIER SCHOOLS. It is a specific subset of schools in the NE that just happen to be some of the oldest and most reputated schools.

The ivy league schools include UPenn, Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, Princeton, Brown, and I think Dartmouth but someone may have to correct me on the last one or any I may have left out.

 

[Excelsius]

http://webcampus.drexelmed.edu/cdc/files/2009_Match_Results.html

Even though there are a lot of FM/Internal M, I must say that the Drexel list looks pretty good. Impressive matches both in terms of locations and specialties. I guess this would be one good example of "low tier school" and high caliber matches.

 

[Rzarecta]

Take your own advice.

Add Yale and that's all 8.

 

[Rzarecta]

Yah Ashers corrected me. Couldn't remember but knew I was missing one. 🙂.

How goes it? Did you match this year or do you have a year or 2 left to go?

Took a research year out. Too bad I have decided to apply to a different field (whoops!). How about you?

 

[DrQuack247]

Wow. With all the folks leaving medicine altogether at Harvard, it sounds like they aren't doing a great job in inspiring people into various medical fields. When more people go into mgmt consulting than, say, neuro, that kind of suggests the school is doing something to turn off its students to medicine. It should be the very rare person who ditches what they've trained the last 4 years for, or else it signals a shortcoming, IMHO.

i dont see what the problem with this is

 

[BJPENNSTATE]

can someone post up WAKE FOREST? thank you. this thread needs less useless chat and more MATCHLIST info.

 

[BJPENNSTATE]

idea: post up links to each school's matchlist alphabetically similar to the accepted, waitlist threads.

add each school after each post, so that SDNers dont have to roam through 8 pages of useless arguments over duke being classified as an "ivy" or not. thanks

 

[medpro]

I have the Wake Forest 2009 match list but my copy has student names on it so I don't want to post it. If anyone has specific questions about it, I may be able to post that. There are 95 names on it and it looks like there are 6 that didn't match.

 

[diosa428]

idea: post up links to each school's matchlist alphabetically similar to the accepted, waitlist threads.

add each school after each post, so that SDNers dont have to roam through 8 pages of useless arguments over duke being classified as an "ivy" or not. thanks

You are more than welcome to do that yourself, but don't expect someone else to do it for you. thanks. 🙄

 

[derArzt]

I have the Wake Forest 2009 match list but my copy has student names on it so I don't want to post it. If anyone has specific questions about it, I may be able to post that. There are 95 names on it and it looks like there are 6 that didn't match.

Where are the rads people going?

 

[conserlib]

Do any of you have Howard's Match List? I'm trying to find it, but haven't found one yet.