Oh no!!! I love horses! He sounds so nice too. Maybe you can bring the sister to him if he can't travel?? I'm glad to hear that he can still live comfortably, but really sorry your day is going so crappy 🙁
2010-2011 Internship Thread
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Oh no!!! I love horses! He sounds so nice too. Maybe you can bring the sister to him if he can't travel?? I'm glad to hear that he can still live comfortably, but really sorry your day is going so crappy 🙁
Hi Guys...
Good luck today, everyone.
At this point, I have 12 rejections, 3 offers and 5 pending.
Has anyone heard from any of these sites?
Napa State Hospital
Human Services Inc (minnesota)
Family Counseling Center
Southern Louisiana Internship Consortium
? The other one has a later notification date. so we won't worry. I haven't heard anything today yet...crossing my fingers for more options. I love the 3 interviews I have though 🙂 Certainly didn't expect 12 rejections. Sigh.
Good luck today, everyone.
At this point, I have 12 rejections, 3 offers and 5 pending.
Has anyone heard from any of these sites?
Napa State Hospital
Human Services Inc (minnesota)
Family Counseling Center
Southern Louisiana Internship Consortium
? The other one has a later notification date. so we won't worry. I haven't heard anything today yet...crossing my fingers for more options. I love the 3 interviews I have though 🙂 Certainly didn't expect 12 rejections. Sigh.
Thanks...
Thanks kitbit! My cousin owns his sister, so was hoping he could one day join her at my cousin's barn. I will still hope that is possible. Today is all about staying positive, right?
I really appreciate you taking the time to say that. You are clearly a good person, and I hope you get a great internship.
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I hate to say it, but yes. Many sites won't even consider professional school students (By the way, a PhD from a Professional School isn't much better than a PsyD). I think a lot of people on this board that aren't doing well in terms of interviews don't come from reputable universities. Most students I know from quality PhD programs have gotten invites at most places while only applying to 5-10 sites, and 100% of them match. The clearinghouse is not even a worry.
Internship sites (especially prominent ones) know that professional schools vary greatly in terms of quality of training and the caliber/intelligence of students, and often don't want to take that risk. We can talk exceptions, but if any grad school applicants are reading this, I hope they realize where you go is very important for the internship match.
At this point in the process, I wish you the best, and I'm sure you'll end up somewhere in the end with your stats.
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Let's not start insulting PsyDs...
Just my two cents... I get the feeling it's more about your school's academic model and the way it matches with the site's academic model. For example, practitioner-scholar programs might be more open to interviewing students from professional Ph.D. and Psy.D. programs. But other than that, I think it's largely a crap shoot because we don't know what specific sites are looking for. For example, I'm also in a professional school and I've gotten 6 interviews.
Best of luck to everyone here!
Just my two cents... I get the feeling it's more about your school's academic model and the way it matches with the site's academic model. For example, practitioner-scholar programs might be more open to interviewing students from professional Ph.D. and Psy.D. programs. But other than that, I think it's largely a crap shoot because we don't know what specific sites are looking for. For example, I'm also in a professional school and I've gotten 6 interviews.
Best of luck to everyone here!
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7 rejections in the past 2 days, all from New York. 3 to go. I can't stand this. Doing it all again next year is terrifying.
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I agree! If you look at the faculty at many high quality APA sites, they have plenty of PsyD's and graduates from professional schools. PsyDs can be just as exceptional (and I'm from a traditional PhD that has a program with a 90%+ match rate!)
I think the reputation of the graduate program is important. "Program pedigree" is a factor in this process, too (having had students from your program match there before or post-doc'd).
That being said, even if your program isn't the most prominent, by recognizing that and going above and beyond the basic requirements of your program shows self-initiative.
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I go to a Psy.D program which is APA accredited and I have 8 interviews and I'm still waiting to hear from 6. So, let's not start questioning the caliber/intelligence of anyone from any type of program. Six of my sites that I am interviewing at thus far are APA accredited. Let's not get mean when we have such a nice, peaceful, and supportive vibe going! And to think your username is PositivePsych!!!!
Thank you all for this. I think, as psychologists, we should be extra aware of, and careful about, making generalizations about other applicants/programs (which is really just another form of prejudice). I am from a professional school and only have 1 interview, so I don't feel like a strong person to stand against such accusations about my "type" of school. However, I feel I have gotten a great education, and the practicums in my area are really where the weakness lies because of a lack of testing experiences available (and my lack of preparation to compensate for that weakness). That said, a number of the sites to which I applied (and was rejected) have staff/faculty who graduated from my school, implying the problem is not my type of program, but my application as a whole.
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STILL waiting on miami children's, baylor, and wvu-morgantown....
Hope everyone is hanging in there!
Hope everyone is hanging in there!
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This is so not a good day to be home sick... I keep refreshing my inbox every 5 minutes to see if anything else has arrived, and alas!, nothing...
Still waiting to hear from trinitas, umdnj, greystone, and hudson valley regional.
Incidentally, the sick may be directly or indirectly anxiety-induced... somatization anyone?
Still waiting to hear from trinitas, umdnj, greystone, and hudson valley regional.
Incidentally, the sick may be directly or indirectly anxiety-induced... somatization anyone?
also waiting on trinitas, umdnj but heard from greystone like 5 minutes ago
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Do you mind revealing whether it was good news or bad news?
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think we need to reframe that term "rejection"
I can see that the sites I did not get invited to interview have a common thread so I really believe (as others have said before) that it's about the fit with the program.
Good luck
I can see that the sites I did not get invited to interview have a common thread so I really believe (as others have said before) that it's about the fit with the program.
Good luck
It was a rejection
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My post wasn't meant to be insulting. It is an objective fact. Look through the APPIC directory: many prominent sites predominantly take PhD students (maybe a rare PsyD or two), and mostly from Clinical programs (rarely Counseling, School, or Ed). Sure, there are always exceptions, but this is generally true for the majority of their interns.
Competitive internship sites clearly have preferences for the type and reputation of your graduate institution. No one can deny this, so no need to get defensive. Grad schools are the same way, the top programs generally take top students from good colleges. I just think its sad that people don't realize this until it comes time for internship.
The reality is that internship has become the bottleneck for "weeding out" the glut of psychologists, since the APA has failed to limit professional schools from accepting too many students in the first place. That's not a knock on the PsyD model (which is great at places like Rutgers and Baylor), its a knock on the professional schools for taking too many students for profit motives.
Also, the number of interviews is not very indicative. Quality PhD students tend to apply to more competitive sites than PsyD students. I don't think it would be hard to get many interviews if you applied to a bunch of sites that don't get a lot of applicants, high quality applicants, or aren't in major metropolitan cities. Major university-affiliated medical centers/hospitals/VAs are in a different league than random for-profit clinics or rural community mental health centers.
The original poster clearly had an impressive CV/application and wasn't getting many interviews. It seemed pretty clear to me that it was because they went to a professional school (either that, or wrote bad essays). I have no doubt that if they went to a university-based PhD program, they would have had their pick of interviews. And that is a shame.
Competitive internship sites clearly have preferences for the type and reputation of your graduate institution. No one can deny this, so no need to get defensive. Grad schools are the same way, the top programs generally take top students from good colleges. I just think its sad that people don't realize this until it comes time for internship.
The reality is that internship has become the bottleneck for "weeding out" the glut of psychologists, since the APA has failed to limit professional schools from accepting too many students in the first place. That's not a knock on the PsyD model (which is great at places like Rutgers and Baylor), its a knock on the professional schools for taking too many students for profit motives.
Also, the number of interviews is not very indicative. Quality PhD students tend to apply to more competitive sites than PsyD students. I don't think it would be hard to get many interviews if you applied to a bunch of sites that don't get a lot of applicants, high quality applicants, or aren't in major metropolitan cities. Major university-affiliated medical centers/hospitals/VAs are in a different league than random for-profit clinics or rural community mental health centers.
The original poster clearly had an impressive CV/application and wasn't getting many interviews. It seemed pretty clear to me that it was because they went to a professional school (either that, or wrote bad essays). I have no doubt that if they went to a university-based PhD program, they would have had their pick of interviews. And that is a shame.
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First of all, I wasn't trying to insult PsyD's, I was just stating that as a comment because some people have a stigma about the PsyD.
What I don't understand is if my letters of recommendation are coming from sites that work with students from all types of schools, and still say I'm one of the top students with which they have ever worked, shouldn't that be some indication of the caliber of student that I am, rather than just the type of school I go to? I moved from California to Chicago just to get an externship at a large VA hospital within neuropsych in order to be more competitive for VA neuropsych internships. To me, it is apparent that this process is becoming more and more discriminatory. Look at the application as a whole, look at the letters of recommendation, look at the experience - don't just look at the school.
I worried that maybe the education I was getting wasn't on par with those from traditional academic universities. Working at this VA with other externs and interns from all types of programs, I am easily on par for generalist clinical training/skills/abilities while I am well above expectations for neuro training/skills/abilities/knowledge... and my letter of recommendation from this site reflects that very sentiment.
If I don't match this year, I don't know what to do anymore... way too late to transfer schools. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about my interviews. I am anxious because last year I had 4 interviews at lower-tiered sites and didn't match. Also knowing the statistics, people with 6-7 interviews or more are much more likely to match. I'm worried that even though I have these interviews, I'm on the lower end of their current ranking lists because of my academic program and that I'm going to have to blow them away in a 30 minute interview in order to move up the rankings.
What I don't understand is if my letters of recommendation are coming from sites that work with students from all types of schools, and still say I'm one of the top students with which they have ever worked, shouldn't that be some indication of the caliber of student that I am, rather than just the type of school I go to? I moved from California to Chicago just to get an externship at a large VA hospital within neuropsych in order to be more competitive for VA neuropsych internships. To me, it is apparent that this process is becoming more and more discriminatory. Look at the application as a whole, look at the letters of recommendation, look at the experience - don't just look at the school.
I worried that maybe the education I was getting wasn't on par with those from traditional academic universities. Working at this VA with other externs and interns from all types of programs, I am easily on par for generalist clinical training/skills/abilities while I am well above expectations for neuro training/skills/abilities/knowledge... and my letter of recommendation from this site reflects that very sentiment.
If I don't match this year, I don't know what to do anymore... way too late to transfer schools. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about my interviews. I am anxious because last year I had 4 interviews at lower-tiered sites and didn't match. Also knowing the statistics, people with 6-7 interviews or more are much more likely to match. I'm worried that even though I have these interviews, I'm on the lower end of their current ranking lists because of my academic program and that I'm going to have to blow them away in a 30 minute interview in order to move up the rankings.
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The Northport VA stated: " Our decision not to interview a student is typically based on such factors as amount or type of previous intervention or assessment experience, and how closely the applicants experience and goals match with our program." It would be helpful if all rejection letters gave you similar information.
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Positivepsych, whether or not you meant to be insulting, I found your tone somewhat insulting. But I don't feel like I'm being defensive; I'm just questioning your assumptions. I'm not going to disagree that sites choose applicants that are good matches. And maybe practitioner-scholar sites are not as competitive. However, maybe I misunderstood, but isn't it specifically interview numbers that Johnson42 was discussing? I agree, Johnson42, you sound like an extremely competitive candidate, but what I'm saying is who knows why you're not getting as many interviews. It seems unfair to assume that the reason is because you're at a professional school.
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Of my interviews, I have 3 hospitals, and one program affiliated with a major university, in addition to some prisons. My friend has interviews at 7 VA's, and I have another friend who is neuropsych who as of Monday had 8 neuropsych APA accredited sites. We all come from a Psy. D. program. Internship is hard for EVERYONE, Ph. D. or Psy. D., and I don't think it's right to belittle ANYONE's accomplishments or pain. This is all stressful now, but 10 years from now NO ONE is going to care where we did our internship. Our work will stand for what it is.
Johnson42, I want you to know that none of my comments were directed towards you. I am empathetic with your situation and I sincerely hope you have a good outcome this year.
Johnson42, I want you to know that none of my comments were directed towards you. I am empathetic with your situation and I sincerely hope you have a good outcome this year.
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I think you are being too general. You made another broad statement about counseling and school psych. The numbers on the appic description show the number accepted, not the number that applied per group. So taking few school psychs may reflect that a lower ratio of school psychs apply to a given site. Your reasoning for why he wasn't getting interviews is also conjecture.
Everyone is theorizing about why they are or are not getting interviews. Your "reality statements" are not very positive and encouraging to many who are having some difficulties with interviews. It really might be a matter of splitting hairs- perhaps they had nearly the same "points" (or whatever metric used to rank applications) but the committee knew a faculty member at a certain program and had a little more confidence in the type of training that is given.
Wow. In the same breath you say "My post wasn't meant to be insulting" and then continue to be insulting and to generalize. Obviously you think very highly of yourself and your program compared to others, which makes me wonder what kind of training they are giving you. My lousy professional school spends tons of time on "multicultural issues" which is essentially to teach us to not be so damn prejudice and not generalize about other people or think we are better than them because of stereotypes we have.You start with pointing out yourself that many internship programs prefer Clinical Psych students. You won't get any argument here - but do you for some reason not understand that professional schools have clinical programs? Mine doesn't even offer a counseling, school, or ed option. In addition, you say "the PsyD model is great" but then say PsyD's don't apply to quality internships. What is that about? And to add to what has already been said, my one measly interview is at a very well-known university medical school.
And yes, I am being defensive, because it really bothers me that you have such rigid stereotypes and are unwilling to see you may be wrong, despite personal evidence given by people right on this forum, and insist on pushing those stereotypes onto the rest of us. The only reason PsyDs have been looked down upon is because they didn't exist until the 1970s (I believe) and it had to be proven that they were just as good as PhDs. I don't know what "quality" sites you are looking at, but a number of mine (state hospitals, universities, prisons, and a VA) seem to actually prefer PsyDs based on the number accepted in previous years. You may not be aware, but the general accepted difference between a PsyD and PhD is that PsyD's are trained to work clinically with patients, PhD's are trained to do research and teach. Of course, in practice they really are interchangeable (and I don't personally believe one is more equipped than the other for clinical work), but when applying to a highly clinical site why wouldn't they want the degree aimed at providing clinical interventions?
I feel like I am talking to my 85 year old grandfather: check ALL the facts, not just the ones biased in your favor, before making swooping generalizations and trying to force them on others.
I just want to echo Forensic Psych's sentiments: good luck!
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I know! Are they really going to wait till 5pm or 11:59pm to notify us? It's already 3:30!
I don't remember which site Dr. Greg Keilin from the listserv is the TD for but he said in the past he HAS sent out notification at 11:59 on the deadline date. So...there's still hope...right?
And I am sorry about your bad news Shelbyq.
Rec'd rejection from Cherokee this morning.
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After reading some of these comments as an internship faculty member, I want to clarify that ALL schools who train students for practice or other professional activities are professional schools. This includes all PsyD programs and some PhD programs as well. When it is stated that some professional school students are at a disadvantage or dismissed from consideration entirely, what is typically meant are professional students from freestanding institutions that are not or have not been affiliated with or part of an accredited and recognized college or university. University-based PsyD programs, for example, are not freestanding schools, but they are professional schools. This should be clarified as it contributes to considerable confusion at times.
At our internship program, no applicant is summarily dismissed from consideration based on their doctoral program unless the program is not APA-accredited. Schools with good reputations can, on occasion, give an applicant a "nod" for an interview if that applicant has a strong application that is being considered against another application from a lesser known program or from a program with a poor reputation. Moreover, past interns who have been problematic or who have struggled do more to "red flag" a program than the degree a program offers or the training model they follow. While our interns have generally been stellar, we have had problematic experiences over the years from interns, including interns from highly regarded, Boulder model programs.
Finally, with the Match numbers being what they are, ANY accredited internship program is a competitive program.
I know, I got a couple of rejections yesterday that were surprisingly painless, I think because I processed the whole "apparently I'm not going to get a lot of interviews" thing on Friday/Saturday. But this last minute one went back to sucking🙂. Not sure why, maybe because it seems like if they're going to drag it out so long they should at least say yes🙂?!
Does anyone know what the protocol is for contacting TDs after match day (presuming you don't match) and asking them for feedback on your application? Of course they would be under no obligation to respond, but has anyone heard of people getting useful feedback this way?
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just got rejected from Miami Children's Hospital.... 2 to go....
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You start with pointing out yourself that many internship programs prefer Clinical Psych students. You won't get any argument here - but do you for some reason not understand that professional schools have clinical programs? Mine doesn't even offer a counseling, school, or ed option. In addition, you say "the PsyD model is great" but then say PsyD's don't apply to quality internships. What is that about? And to add to what has already been said, my one measly interview is at a very well-known university medical school.
And yes, I am being defensive, because it really bothers me that you have such rigid stereotypes and are unwilling to see you may be wrong, despite personal evidence given by people right on this forum, and insist on pushing those stereotypes onto the rest of us. The only reason PsyDs have been looked down upon is because they didn't exist until the 1970s (I believe) and it had to be proven that they were just as good as PhDs. I don't know what "quality" sites you are looking at, but a number of mine (state hospitals, universities, prisons, and a VA) seem to actually prefer PsyDs based on the number accepted in previous years. You may not be aware, but the general accepted difference between a PsyD and PhD is that PsyD's are trained to work clinically with patients, PhD's are trained to do research and teach. Of course, in practice they really are interchangeable (and I don't personally believe one is more equipped than the other for clinical work), but when applying to a highly clinical site why wouldn't they want the degree aimed at providing clinical interventions?
I feel like I am talking to my 85 year old grandfather: check ALL the facts, not just the ones biased in your favor, before making swooping generalizations and trying to force them on others.
Take it easy pal. Noone is forcing anything on anyone and no one is saying they are better than anyone else so spare us the dramatics would ya. Yes, there is bias towards the psy.D degree and prof schools in some interships and in the real world (and the reverse is true in some interhsips as well). Its a fact, get used it. Dont dwell on it and move on.
PS:The real difference between the two models lay in the underlying philopshy of training and learning, not "research vs no research."
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Rejected from WVU, Morgantown.
no interviews, 1 to go. not in a great place, hope others are doing better
no interviews, 1 to go. not in a great place, hope others are doing better
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can we just please go back to this being a board supporting others and sharing information and not debating. with so many students currently stressed out this is really the last thing that anyone wants to discuss.
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hear hear!
Thank you Medium rare for your clarification. Since most of us are new in the field (at least on the doctoral level) it is nice to hear input from a more experienced and knowledgeable source.
Erg923, I am sorry if my impassioned response offended your sensibilities. Glad to hear we're still "pals."
Just waiting4, I am sorry you are in a bad place 🙁 Remember: It isn't over till it's over. I am sending good vibes your way and keeping my fingers crossed for us both.
Erg923, I am sorry if my impassioned response offended your sensibilities. Glad to hear we're still "pals."
Just waiting4, I am sorry you are in a bad place 🙁 Remember: It isn't over till it's over. I am sending good vibes your way and keeping my fingers crossed for us both.
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I heard from UMDNJ (newark) this morning. I also heard for Virginia Treatment Center for Children this afternoon. I know there were a few others waiting to hear from them as well.
I'm now officially done! I've heard from everyone and can stop being compulsive and return to my regular life now. 🙂
I think some people need to think about why they chose to study Psychology in the first place. Personally, I thought the goal for mental health professionals was to practice acceptance, be open-minded and provide support. How can one do that in a therapy room and not here on a blog......
ANYWAY, on a lighter note and back to the reason why I thought this board was helpful, I received a rejection from Cherokee and an interview at Citrus Health....
I hope that most of us can continue to be supportive of each other and let the others stuff go (not that I see anything wrong with people expressing their thoughts, just as long as they don't insult anyone or display narcissistic traits....) 🙄
Congrats to those receiving good news and good luck to everyone, lets hang in there!!!
ANYWAY, on a lighter note and back to the reason why I thought this board was helpful, I received a rejection from Cherokee and an interview at Citrus Health....
I hope that most of us can continue to be supportive of each other and let the others stuff go (not that I see anything wrong with people expressing their thoughts, just as long as they don't insult anyone or display narcissistic traits....) 🙄
Congrats to those receiving good news and good luck to everyone, lets hang in there!!!
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This is very true. I am currently at a scientist-practioner informed site, and when I interviewed this was brought up a number of times. I came from a university-based Psy.D. that was Practioner Informed by Science, so it wasn't a surprised they asked about this. We also went through a site review and this was a focus, so don't be surprised if sites ask you about your model, how you practice based on your training, and why research is important for informing practice.
I am sure some of the sites I applied to discounted my app because I was a Psy.D., but I receive 9 interviews for 10 spots, out of 17 applications to top medical schools and VAs. I was above the average for publications, presentations, contact hours, and I stayed a 5th year to increase my teaching experience and productivity. Sometimes it will take "extra" like that to make it.
I hope everyone hangs in there, and I'd encourage people to focus on the process and not the In-fighting, as we have enough of that out there already.
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Anyone hear from McGuire VA in Richmond or Gulf Coast VA in Biloxi?
I know their notification dates have not passed, but just wondering if they have begun sending out invitations.
I know their notification dates have not passed, but just wondering if they have begun sending out invitations.
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I'm trying to think of a school house rock song for internship. Instead of "conjuction junction what's your function"...I have "rejection dejection whats your ______" I keep singing function in my head but it doesn't quite work. Anyway, it makes me smile everytime I get an email telling me that an internship site can not adequately handle my abundant abilities.
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Just waiting4, I am sorry you are in a bad place 🙁 Remember: It isn't over till it's over. I am sending good vibes your way and keeping my fingers crossed for us both.
THANKS!!! while i would prefer to not be rejected 18 times out of 18, if they're going to do it, just do it at this point. frustrated with the rejections, standard emails (though nice and flattering still dont amount to much when they turn you down), and waiting.
sorry for the venting!
good luck to those still waiting to hear!
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Excellent!!! Hmmm... maybe something with introspection? or circumspection?
I don't know how those would fit... but they rhyme!
I do want to apologize to the forum as a whole for letting myself get sucked into an argument that really does not need to take place here. I am obviously anxious as well, and probably a little more sensitive because of it. This is actually also the first time anyone has said anything negative in front of me about PsyD's and "professional" schools that seemed (to me) so blatantly biased/prejudice. I was warned that might happen on this forum, but perhaps that just made me more ready to fight. Unfortunately, I am sure it will not be the last time I hear such remarks, though I hope our field as a whole is making strides to become more unified. None of this is meant as an additional jab at the other participants, just my frame and how that affected my response.I genuinely hope everyone (and I do mean everyone) the best during this process and truly appreciate, and hope to continue to receive, your support.
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