2011 APPIC Internship Application Thread

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blindchaos said:
I think this is a fair point and maybe it will turn out like that for us too (I sure hope so). I'm certainly not throwing in the towel - I'm applying to a lot of places in Phase II and am going to hope for the best. It's just that *right now* it does hurt to hear others complain about matching somewhere other than #1. If Phase II goes really well and I get a spot I want, I'm sure I'll feel differently *then* b/c at least I'll have something. I think I'll even feel at least a tiny bit better (at least in general) once interview offers for Phase II start coming in. Just right now, it's adding to the pain of not matching. I'm not saying don't wonder what happened to #1, just keep in mind that there are plenty of us who would *love* to be in a position to wonder why we got #2-? instead of #1. It does hurt, and while I feel badly for everyone in the same position as I am in, I'm glad I'm not alone in identifying that it hurts. I was devastated when I didn't match and then I got frustrated with people who complained about not getting #1, and then that just made me feel worse (felt guilty about being frustrated with people who did not get their favorite spot).
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PHEW! I was SO hesitant to write my post about this and am SO glad it was received as it was and that there are others who feel the same way I do about people posting/complaining about WHERE they matched when we are devastated about NOT matching.
 
AGradStudent said:
PHEW! I was SO hesitant to write my post about this and am SO glad it was received as it was and that there are others who feel the same way I do about people posting/complaining about WHERE they matched when we are devastated about NOT matching.
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I'm really glad you did say something - I thought I was the only one! Honestly, I want to say something to my classmates b/c it's really bothering me, but I don't know how or if I should even do it at all. They already feel badly for me and I don't want to make them feel guilty on top of that by letting them know that when they are trying to "help" me, they are actually making everything worse. Some will specifically seek me out to say that they barely matched or they "only" got their #x spot because that is supposed to make me feel better (How?? Okay, so you were close to not matching and that stinks. It's still a *lot* better and a *lot* different than not matching at all. You liked the site enough to rank it and that's what you got. I'm sorry it's not #1 or #whatever, but it's still *something* and that's a lot more than I have right now.) I feel badly that they didn't get their top 1-? choices, but that does not remotely make me feel better about not matching at all, it only makes it worse.

Sidenote to everyone on the board who did match and has said something about not getting #1-?, please know that this is not directed at anyone in particular and I'm certain that if I had matched somewhere and that it was other than #1, I would feel similarly and wonder why I didn't get #1. I think it's perfectly understandable to wonder what happened with #1 and even be a little upset at missing out on that site. I don't think either of us (or anyone else who feels similarly about hearing people complain) wants to make anyone feel uncomfortable or guilty about wondering what happened with #1 and writing about it here (or talking to us directly, in regards to classmates). It just....hurts. I know it's not intentional at all, just maybe something to keep in mind.
 
I am so sorry for coming across as complaining and for hurting anyone's feelings... that was not my intention at all. I guess my comment was just a reflection of my own insecurities and having also been terrified and intimidated throughout this whole process.
Nevertheless, I really do apologize for my inappropriateness 😳
 
I'd imagine a large part of the issue (universally) stems from the fact that the rankings are all "behind the scenes," and thus so much of it remains not just out of our control, but out of our entire realm of awareness. And while I feel the current setup is ultimately for the best, it does leave many, many people wondering "what happened" in some respect.

As I mentioned earlier, it's an all-around difficult and often painful process, many of the difficulties of which were to some extent avoidable (which makes it all the more frustrating).
 
widmup said:
I am so sorry for coming across as complaining and for hurting anyone's feelings... that was not my intention at all. I guess my comment was just a reflection of my own insecurities and having also been terrified and intimidated throughout this whole process.
Nevertheless, I really do apologize for my inappropriateness 😳
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I second what widmup said. I had absolutely no intention of hurting anyone's feelings. I was considering not posting my own thoughts about my experience with the Match because I know people on this forum did not match. I was processing my own feelings, and it seemed like some on this forum were having similar thoughts. For me, it wasn't anything like 'how dare site ABC not rank me highly," but rather is there anything I could have done better on interviews that I should be aware of so I can keep it in mind for the future. Just about everyone on this forum went through phase I, so we all know how stressful that was. So, I can imagine that being intensified in this phase. I still am hoping for the best for y'all.
 
VeryNearlyThere said:
I second what widmup said. I had absolutely no intention of hurting anyone's feelings. I was considering not posting my own thoughts about my experience with the Match because I know people on this forum did not match. I was processing my own feelings, and it seemed like some on this forum were having similar thoughts. For me, it wasn't anything like 'how dare site ABC not rank me highly," but rather is there anything I could have done better on interviews that I should be aware of so I can keep it in mind for the future. Just about everyone on this forum went through phase I, so we all know how stressful that was. So, I can imagine that being intensified in this phase. I still am hoping for the best for y'all.
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Your responses are much appreciated. I am sure there was no harm or ill intent in posting about your feelings as you were processing them. It was just getting very hard to tolerate reading those without pointing out that they were very difficult to read to those who have found themselves unmatched and going through phase II.

For those of us in phase II... I'd love to hear how the process has been so far (finding sites, submitting applications). It is such a whirlwind and I can't imagine what is to come, but I personally am trying to stay positive while really questioning my faith in the matching process.
 
Round 2 apps are in!
Wheeeeeew that was exhausting!
 
AGradStudent said:
If you don't mind me asking, how many did you submit? I ask because I submitted more this round than last and am wondering if others did the same.
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20. Every APA or CPA site that fit.

The Canadian sites asked for some special format to the letters. I hope they don't expect that in round 2...
 
JockNerd said:
20. Every APA or CPA site that fit.

The Canadian sites asked for some special format to the letters. I hope they don't expect that in round 2...
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I did 21 this round. 7 APPIC, 13 APA, and 1 CPA. Last round I did 16 (all APA - though one withdrew from the match right after I paid for my app - late loss of funding. So I paid for 16 but basically had 15 👎). Good luck everyone! I'm guessing it's highly unlikely that any interview offers will go out today, but I wish/hope some would...I could use some pseudo-positive feedback on my app right about now! 😳 If you are comfy doing so, post on here when/where you get an interview offer and I'll do the same!
 
I'm not sure whether I should be reading through this thread or not. On the one hand, it sort of makes me want to go ahead and apply for internship next year after all because I fear that the imbalance is only going to increase significantly by the time I do apply the year after. On the other hand, I fear that if I wait 'til the following year to apply as planned that I will not only be stuck with said imbalance (regardless of how realistic this may be) that I may be stuck in the same situation as some of my fellow SDN members. No one plans on not matching, but what if it does happen? At that point, I have no desire to stick around for another year in my student career. *shudder* I could do it if I were not to match this upcoming internship cycle, but the following cycle would be a blow. I'm entirely too pessimistic for my own good. :meanie: I will stick with my plans and be done with it (and hope like hell for the best)!

G'luck JN, blindchaos, IsItOver, AGradStudent, and all other SDN folks applying phase II! Sending best wishes and considerable positive vibes your way during this horrendous process. :luck:
 
Sent in my Phase II app last night. I ended up only applying to one site... as I've said before, there was only one APA site left that really fit my training needs. It's likely a long shot, but I am will eventually be okay with waiting a year to get the training I want/need.

Yesterday I got feedback from two sites similar to what blindchaos heard: that I was veryclose to matching, that my app could not have been stronger, and that the TDs were surprised I didn't match. Nice to hear but also a wee bit painful.

Good luck to everyone! 🙂
 
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I have followed this thread for several years now because I am very interested in the Match process from the perspective of a training site and because I feel everyone in the profession needs to be paying attention to how the imbalance problem is affecting everyone. I'd like to compliment this year's crew on their kindness and compassion to each other and general support and professionalism in this difficult process. Other cohorts have not been so kind to each other on the forum or so genuinely interested in the problem and possible solutions for the future and the need for advocacy so we can reverse the trend.
 
docma said:
I feel everyone in the profession needs to be paying attention to how the imbalance problem is affecting everyone.
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Everyone, except APA, is.
 
Good luck blindchaos, IsItOver, AGradStudent and eveyone else on here participating in phase II!!! Thinking of you, sending positive vibes and good thoughts your way 🙂
 
docma said:
I have followed this thread for several years now because I am very interested in the Match process from the perspective of a training site and because I feel everyone in the profession needs to be paying attention to how the imbalance problem is affecting everyone. I'd like to compliment this year's crew on their kindness and compassion to each other and general support and professionalism in this difficult process. Other cohorts have not been so kind to each other on the forum or so genuinely interested in the problem and possible solutions for the future and the need for advocacy so we can reverse the trend.
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thanks, docma! i agree this forum has been a source of support despite the high emotions throughout the process.
 
Thanks for the support everyone, can't wait (literally, very impatient and anxious) to hear about interviews. I wonder how soon sites will begin to offer?
 
docma said:
Other cohorts have not been so kind to each other on the forum or so genuinely interested in the problem and possible solutions for the future and the need for advocacy so we can reverse the trend.
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I'm not sure about previous cohorts, but I agree that this thread has been incredibly helpful and supportive. I also hope that people continue to stay invested in solutions for the future. Despite matching this year, I am still fuming about the process. I think that it is an outrage that high quality applicants, some of whom post regularly here, did not get a spot. I realize that there are no easy solutions, but I truly believe that if we don't start taking steps to fix the problem at both the admissions end and the internship end, both professionals, and the clients we serve, will suffer.

Best of luck to those of you in Phase II of the match! I think its fair to say that we are all wishing you the best and sending lots internety positive vibes in your direction :xf:
 
Perhaps we can sign a petition/letter to send along with applications so that they know that folks have the SDN seal of approval? Then they're bound to accept everyone! 😀

(combined with the rumor that all worthwhile sites have withdrawn should do the trick!)
 
paramour said:
Perhaps we can sign a petition/letter to send along with applications so that they know that folks have the SDN seal of approval? Then they're bound to accept everyone! 😀

(combined with the rumor that all worthwhile sites have withdrawn should do the trick!)
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I'm all up for this 🙂

Speaking of petitions, I remember a while back on this thread someone mentioning something about sending one to APA on behalf of students regarding the imbalance and application process, overall. I can't remember who it was, but if anyone knows about this, I would definitely be interested.
 
AGradStudent said:
Thanks for the support everyone, can't wait (literally, very impatient and anxious) to hear about interviews. I wonder how soon sites will begin to offer?
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Given that there's only a month to work with, I'm truly hoping they get back to everyone ASAP. At least this means the anxiety-provoking wait period won't be quite as drawn out as in Phase 1. Lord knows at this point everyone deserves a bit of a break.
 
My guess is that community psych and hospitals will be on their apps soon, but uni counseling centers won't touch them till the beginning of the week after next, as next week is Spring Break and most of the staff is likely on vacation.
 
JockNerd said:
The Canadian sites asked for some special format to the letters. I hope they don't expect that in round 2...
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I totally missed that about the CAN sites. They got the same generic letter US sites did... 😕

widmup said:
Good luck blindchaos, IsItOver, AGradStudent and eveyone else on here participating in phase II!!! Thinking of you, sending positive vibes and good thoughts your way 🙂
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THANK YOU!!!!

widmup said:
ISpeaking of petitions, I remember a while back on this thread someone mentioning something about sending one to APA on behalf of students regarding the imbalance and application process, overall. I can't remember who it was, but if anyone knows about this, I would definitely be interested.
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Uh-huh! I was one of those people. Unfortunately, it kind of fell by the way side during the craziness of Match and Phase II, but hopefully we'll have something for y'all soon.
 
I'm a little embarrassed to tell you guys how many sites I applied to b/c it sounds like it is WAAAY more than anyone else! lol
 
JockNerd said:
My guess is that community psych and hospitals will be on their apps soon, but uni counseling centers won't touch them till the beginning of the week after next, as next week is Spring Break and most of the staff is likely on vacation.
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This may vary. Not all universities have spring break the same week. (Ours isn't 'til the week after next.)
 
widmup said:
I'm all up for this 🙂

Speaking of petitions, I remember a while back on this thread someone mentioning something about sending one to APA on behalf of students regarding the imbalance and application process, overall. I can't remember who it was, but if anyone knows about this, I would definitely be interested.
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Yes. I, too, was all for this--and still am. Got side-tracked by postdoc interviews. Sigh. It is best to let people focus during this tempestuous period. We WILL revisit this, though. 👍
 
So I'm guessing nobody heard a peep from any Phase II sites? I know it's super early....I just want to know NOW!!! 😛 Here's to hoping we all get a good phone call/e-mail tomorrow!!!
 
I feel like we won't hear anything until next week. Though I'd be interested to know if anyone does get interviews today.
 
I haven't heard anything directly, but I'm not sure if I will? The site I applied to didn't interview for Phase I--just held an open house--so I'm not sure what to expect. However, yesterday afternoon, my supervisor emailed and received a reply back from the director of the track I applied to. It was a short but promising reply. Who knows though what anyone else heard from them.

I'm struggling to find a balance between feeling hopeful and not getting my hopes up too high. I don't want to spend the next three weeks in misery, worrying that it's not going to work out this year, but I also don't want to experience crushing disappointment in the end.
 
For those who are back in the "waiting to hear" phase, it might be worth distracting yourself by planning the alternative year in excruciating detail. That will also be stressful in some ways but if you actually get focused on the research completion/additional project/new clinical option/employment possibilities if you need to have an extension--from the perspective of what you'd be learning/accomplishing in itself--you might actually begin to experience it as a viable alternative. It will not in any realistic way decrease your likelihood of matching this year to give some attention to the alternative to matching...but it will give you some sense of agency/choice and awareness of what the actual value can be in waiting a year.
 
Got a NO from Andrus explaining why there was a lack of goodness of fit. Very nice email. Hope that's promising for anyone waiting to hear from them that they are already contacting people.
 
mumption said:
Got a NO from Andrus explaining why there was a lack of goodness of fit. Very nice email. Hope that's promising for anyone waiting to hear from them that they are already contacting people.
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I got the same e-mail. Out of curiosity, based on their materials, was it clear to you that they only wanted school psych people? I know that it involved a lot of school consultation but there were a lot of other interesting areas in the campus track as well and I didn't think the materials were nearly as clear regarding the requirements as the e-mail was. Did I miss something? The e-mail was very nice...just wish I had known that info prior to applying. Ah well. If that's what they want, I'm not the right fit. I'm glad they sent the 'no' email though even though they aren't required to in Phase II... at least we know where we stand!

No news from anyone else (yet).
 
Sites are not required to send us a rejection though, correct? (for phase 2)
 
AGradStudent said:
Well, now you HAVE to tell 😉
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Well over 30 in the states, and 3 in Canada. People like me kinda suck, b/c we flood the system, but I gotta try for anything I think might be a good fit! I applied all over the country, and I want to work w/ adults w/ severe MI, so that left a lot of viable options.

Got my 1st interview offer! No date yet, but excited to at least have 1 lead 🙂

Hope more start rolling in for all of us!! :xf:
 
IsItOver said:
Well over 30 in the states, and 3 in Canada. People like me kinda suck, b/c we flood the system, but I gotta try for anything I think might be a good fit! I applied all over the country, and I want to work w/ adults w/ severe MI, so that left a lot of viable options.

Got my 1st interview offer! No date yet, but excited to at least have 1 lead 🙂

Hope more start rolling in for all of us!! :xf:
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Congrats, IsItOver, on your first interview!! 😀
 
IsItOver said:
Well over 30 in the states, and 3 in Canada. People like me kinda suck, b/c we flood the system, but I gotta try for anything I think might be a good fit! I applied all over the country, and I want to work w/ adults w/ severe MI, so that left a lot of viable options.

Got my 1st interview offer! No date yet, but excited to at least have 1 lead 🙂

Hope more start rolling in for all of us!! :xf:
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Congrats!!! If you don't mind my asking, what site?
 
IsItOver said:
Well over 30 in the states, and 3 in Canada. People like me kinda suck, b/c we flood the system, but I gotta try for anything I think might be a good fit! I applied all over the country, and I want to work w/ adults w/ severe MI, so that left a lot of viable options.

Got my 1st interview offer! No date yet, but excited to at least have 1 lead 🙂

Hope more start rolling in for all of us!! :xf:
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Congrats, and G'luck, IsItOver! :luck:

Are you sticking to APA/CPA-accredited or branching out?
 
AGradStudent said:
Congrats on your interview offer! Has anyone else heard anything yet? I am sure it is still pretty early on.

No news over here...
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Nothing over here aside from a no from Andrus. Maybe some sites will contact people this weekend? There really isn't a lot of time to work with here....
 
I've been lurking on SDN since applying to grad school in the fall of 2006. I think I'll go back into the shadows but I wanted to wish everyone luck in Phase II and/or next year. :luck::xf: I also wanted to share that I received two interview offers today, at Seacoast Mental Health Center (APA accredited) and Comprehensive Outpatient Services, Inc. (not APA accredited, but APPIC member). I applied to 3 sites in Phase II. I haven't heard back from Harvard Med School / Cambridge Hospital (a.k.a. Cambridge Health Alliance) but/and I'm betting they received a few more applications than my other two sites. 😛
 
Duck Duck Goose said:
I've been lurking on SDN since applying to grad school in the fall of 2006. I think I'll go back into the shadows but I wanted to wish everyone luck in Phase II and/or next year. :luck::xf: I also wanted to share that I received two interview offers today, at Seacoast Mental Health Center (APA accredited) and Comprehensive Outpatient Services, Inc. (not APA accredited, but APPIC member). I applied to 3 sites in Phase II. I haven't heard back from Harvard Med School / Cambridge Hospital (a.k.a. Cambridge Health Alliance) but/and I'm betting they received a few more applications than my other two sites. 😛
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FWIW....Cambridge Health Alliance offers excellent training (it's not just the affiliation to HMS). I considered them for a fellowship position, and I was pretty impressed by the opportunities they offered.
 
Duck Duck Goose said:
I've been lurking on SDN since applying to grad school in the fall of 2006. I think I'll go back into the shadows but I wanted to wish everyone luck in Phase II and/or next year. :luck::xf: I also wanted to share that I received two interview offers today, at Seacoast Mental Health Center (APA accredited) and Comprehensive Outpatient Services, Inc. (not APA accredited, but APPIC member). I applied to 3 sites in Phase II. I haven't heard back from Harvard Med School / Cambridge Hospital (a.k.a. Cambridge Health Alliance) but/and I'm betting they received a few more applications than my other two sites. 😛
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I interviewed with Seacoast in Phase I and I felt that they offered extremely good training in psychoanalytic therapy and great experience in testing, especially in the Rorschach.
 
paramour said:
Congrats, and G'luck, IsItOver! :luck:

Are you sticking to APA/CPA-accredited or branching out?
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Thank you!! This one is with the Mental Health Association of Westchester, in NY. They want to do a Skype interview, which I find, for some reason, very anxiety provoking...

Last year I was only willing to consider APA. I;m over that, APPIC is good enough for me. I just want my damn degree! Doesn't seem many (if any) states actually REQUIRE APA anymore, and no matter where I end up, I am sure there is SOME state out there that will license me! lol 🙄

Good luck with your interviews Duck Duck Goose!
 
IsItOver said:
Thank you!! This one is with the Mental Health Association of Westchester, in NY. They want to do a Skype interview, which I find, for some reason, very anxiety provoking...

Last year I was only willing to consider APA. I;m over that, APPIC is good enough for me. I just want my damn degree! Doesn't seem many (if any) states actually REQUIRE APA anymore, and no matter where I end up, I am sure there is SOME state out there that will license me! lol 🙄
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Good luck with your interview!! And congrats!... Skype would also make me nervous!...

I just wanted to weigh in on this apa/appic thing. I don't see any problem whatsoever in doing an APPIC internship. (In fact, I ranked an APPIC site #1 OVER an APA one because I liked the site better and felt it would provide me with the kind of training that was best suited to my needs and interests). Granted, some people need to have APA sites for their career goals, and I understand that. But there are some GREAT sites out there, that have great training and amazing experiences, but simply don't pay the money to be APA accredited. I know I get a little tired of everyone's first question being "Is it APA!?" when they find out I've matched. As long as you get good training (and it will work with your career goals), why not?.

That's just my two cents of course... congrats again on your interview!! 🙂
 
DOCit2me said:
Good luck with your interview!! And congrats!... Skype would also make me nervous!...

I just wanted to weigh in on this apa/appic thing. I don't see any problem whatsoever in doing an APPIC internship. (In fact, I ranked an APPIC site #1 OVER an APA one because I liked the site better and felt it would provide me with the kind of training that was best suited to my needs and interests). Granted, some people need to have APA sites for their career goals, and I understand that. But there are some GREAT sites out there, that have great training and amazing experiences, but simply don't pay the money to be APA accredited. I know I get a little tired of everyone's first question being "Is it APA!?" when they find out I've matched. As long as you get good training (and it will work with your career goals), why not?.

That's just my two cents of course... congrats again on your interview!! 🙂
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I agree, it's not always where one is but what one does.
 
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