2012 APPIC Internship Application Thread

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2 - The whole internship interview process is a total crapshoot. You were lucky to get so many interviews in Phase I. You thought it was a "just world" where applicants with particular skills/abilities got rewarded by sites and the field. That was an ego-syntonic feeling for you. Now, you're starting to realize the completely arbitrary nature of the process. Imagine if you'd matched in Phase I and never had the "rejected/ignored by sites" experience. That's what happens to most applicants each year. So most newly minted psychologists think it is a "just world" and don't see the other side. (Even people who don't match often blame themselves and feel shame, when the truth is that the numbers are AWFUL and a large minority will be "held back" each year.)

I understand why this process can feel like a roll of the dice at times, but I think labeling it a "total crapshoot" and "completely arbitrary" might be an overstatement. It is definitely a numbers game to the extent that, in order to match, you need to fall within the top x number of spots on sites' lists (and this is very difficult because of the high number of qualified students), but it is not completely arbitrary. Based on my experience of interviewing this year (12 interviews, all competitive, child-focused, APA-accredited programs), the groups of interns I had the chance to talk with at each site did not just have a random smattering of previous training experience and found themselves matched at some particular site. Nearly every intern had some unique clinical or research interest and/or extensive prior training with particular populations that the internship program offered training in (and often very extensively so). In other words, they had weaved a pretty consistent thread of interest since beginning graduate school of wanting to work with X population in X setting.

I recognize that this goes against APA's purported stance that internships should be generalist in nature, but the reality is that the seemingly single most important question internship sites are asking is this: "does this person's career interests and goals line up with what we have to offer, and do their previous experience and training line-up with those interests?" (i.e., "where do you see yourself in 5 years," "what makes you specifically interested in our training program?" "what opportunities are you particularly interested in/excited about that we offer?"...all questions I was asked at nearly every one of my interviews).

Also, I was surprised (as has been mentioned on here before) to see the overlap in the group of interviewees for many of the sites I visited. I noted two major observations about them: First, the vast majority were from large cities and reputable practicum training programs within those cities (New York, Chicago, and California were overwhelming majority). It was fairly clear to me that coming from a large hospital or children's hospital with a big name (and probably a letter of rec from a TD with some clout) would land you interviews at similar sites across the country (including smaller, lesser populated regions). Secondly, as I mentioned above, each person seemed to have very specific interests that were offered as tracks through the sites, or at least had a major emphasis. Their previous training (for better or worse) was not comprised of generalist training (e.g., VA, CC, CMHC, and then interviewing at a medical school or children's hospital w/ child/family emphasis).

All this to say that, based on my experience, I can understand why people feel so confused about "top notch" students not matching. "Top notch" can be subjectively defined when you cannot accurately compare yourself or your cohort mates to others across the country, and especially in much bigger, and unfortunately more reputable, markets. Of course, nothing is a guarantee, and even top notch students that I interviewed with from reputable programs in big cities with gobs of interviews may not have matched due to the flood of the system. However, I encourage students behind me in our program to (if they can) work on developing a consistent thread of training/interests and then be mindful about selecting sites that offer training in that area, as I think it helps boost your odds tremendously.

So, there ya go. My post-internship musings. Hopefully it helps some student out there who's already reading these boards (like I was) 2-3 years away from this ridiculous process!
 
For those of you going through this again or dealing with Phase II now, I wanted to share my story with going through this process twice and how I'm feeling about the whole situation...

I've been feeling disillusioned and burnt out with this career in general. I'm currently finishing up internship and got a great postdoc, but I just feel so burnt out and unmotivated after everything grad school and all these applications processes put me through that I've lost my drive and energy and question whether or not I really want to do this anymore. I always knew when starting grad school that I would be research focused and on the academic path. I knew others got burnt out and changed course, but I always thought I was up for the challenge and can make it, and maybe I still can, but right now I just don't feel the passion and drive for it I used to.

It all started when I didn't match for internship the first time I applied 2 years ago. I was one of the top students in the program, had done everything right, applied broadly, and still didn't match. Everyone thought I was so awesome and were so shocked that I didn't match and it was so hard to see everyone's disappointment and fear that they would one day go through the same thing if it happened to someone like me, although everyone was very supportive of me. I worked on improving my clinical hours further as well as my interviewing skills, and did match the 2nd time. However, it was to one of my lower ranking sites, and involved me being forced to move all the way across the country far from any of my friends or family so I was taken far away from any source of social support. And the internship I got is actually a great top ranking site, and it's great training, but I just feel like I don't care anymore. I felt that after 2 years of spending so much effort, time, and money (over $10,000) applying, as well as countless hours of anxiety and depression over the whole situation, that internship has got to be this amazing life changing experience to be worth all that, right? At least it was built up in my mind that way. But although I got a great site in the end it just didn't seem worth it. I'd never had to work so hard and go through so much for any one thing in my life and it just seemed so pointless since I don't even want to be a clinician, although I enjoy doing a little bit of clinical work as part of a primarily research position. Sure getting into grad school was hard too, but that process just seemed so much more fair and reasonable so that by working hard you would get in somewhere, it just made more sense. But for internship having a good CV, being good at what you do and being hardworking and well-liked don't necessarily matter; I've realized it's all just a crap shoot in the end. I've also seen others in my program, including a close friend of mine, go through the same thing when they were also well qualified. I hate seeing the pain they've gone through as well, and questioning their own competence and future career in psychology. It's really heartbreaking to see and I hate what this field is doing to new young psychologists in breaking their spirit, even for people who are so hard working with some much potential and previously had so much passion for what they do. It kind of makes me hate this field and what it takes to be successful. I feel like networking and schmoozing and putting on an act help you more in this field than real competence, intelligence hard work and passion for what you do.

This year I also tried applying for faculty positions hoping to skip the postdoc since I've already felt so burnt out and ready to have a real job and not be so poor. My brother never even went to college but he makes 3 times my income in a manual labor job. But applying for faculty jobs didn't work out and has drained me further going through that laborious process with no offers. I do have a great postdoc and I'm sure I can be successful but I'm just so drained now from all of this and not even sure this will make me happy anymore, but not sure what else I might want to do. I hope once I get started with it some of my energy and excitement for what I do will come back, but I'm just not sure at this point. But after being in school and preparing for this career for so long it seems impossible to consider other options.

Sorry I can't be more positive, but that's how I feel right now...

Anyone else feeling this way?

Thanks for sharing your experience, particularly what it has been like for you at internship and your future prospects. I appreciate you presenting how it really is... not just that matching to a great internship = happily ever after. After going through this twice, I personally feel like matching to internship (where ever I end up) will be extremely anticlimactic, and I hope that disillusionment doesn't set in. I am trying to keep these thoughts at bay, though - trying to stay focused on the individual personal connection/s I have made and am making with professionals working out in the field that seem to love, and are good at, what they do. It has also helped me to go to church (!yes! I said it, even though it is the last thing I thought would help me gain perspective). And... I also try to remember how lucky I am to have my family and a roof over my head, considering the widespread financial hardship and shrinking employment prospects across the board. It has to get better (maybe worse first, but better eventually). In the meantime, it really helps to know that there are others out there going through this. Thanks everyone!
 
i don't think the posters mean truly arbitrary, like a lottery. we all understand that there is logic underlying the match process for those who match. for those who don't match, it really can be that the person was ranked #2 by many sites where the sites' #1s matched instead. so, although it isn't technically arbitrary, it can feel that way. and i know people who didn't match last year and people who didn't match this year from top-notch programs. and by 'top-notch,' i mean like top 3 programs in the US. i don't mean top-notch compared to some random degree mill on a random island in the middle of the random ocean. again, i think it is easy to think the lack of matching is due to some flaw in the applicants who don't match. there are many, many examples here (and in the real world) of this just not being the case.
 
Just FYI, I've also heard back from Institute for Multicultural Counseling and Education Services (email invite to interview Sunday night--they want to set up an actual appt. in office) and Tarzana Youth Treatment Centers (just barely, phone call invite to interview (over the phone)).
Good luck to all! Looks like they are still in the process of deciding who to interview.
 
InterviewsOffered:
Allendale Bradley Counseling Center
Arizona State University-phone
Berea's Children's Home-email
Bexar Juvenile Probation-email
Cal State Fullerton-email and phone
Caltech (screening interview)
Community Services Institute
Daily Behavioral Health-email
Devereux-email
Friends Hospital-phone
Fulton State Hospital-email
George Fox University
GFBHC
Greenville Correctional Center-email
Heart of America – Family Psychological Center
Heart of America-Royal Oaks Hospital
Institute for Multicultural Counseling and Education Service-email
James Madison University
Jefferson Center for Mental Health
Kentucky Department ofCorrections(phone)
Kentucky Ricers Community Care
Larned State Hospital
London Clinical Psychology Residency-phone
Lone Star Consortium-Big Spring StateHospital
Los Angeles Department of Mental Health
Miami Dade-County
Miami VA-email
New Mexico State
Ohio Psychology Internship-phone
Orlando VA-email
Portia Bell Hume Behav Health-phone
Riverview Psychiatric Center
Rogers Memorial
Saint Elizabeths
Sheridan VA
Southeast Human Service Center-email
Southern Utah University
Spring Grove Hospital Center
Tarzana Youth Treatment Centers-phone
Torrance State Hospital-phone
Travis County JuvenileProbation-email& phone
Tulane Child Ped Track-email
UNC-phone
University of California-Riverside-email
University of Houston
USP Hazelton
White River Junction VA-phone
Wyoming VA

Possible Offer for Interview:
Georgia Tech (uncomfirmed)

Rejections:
Andrus
Friends Hospital
Miami VA
Pacific Clinics
Southern Utah University
University of Rochester-email
Community Services Institutes
WJB Dorn VA (SC) email
Wyoming VA
 
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Sites seem to be nicer when rejecting you this time around. I got two very nice rejection emails (Friends Hospital and Arizona State). Didn't really hurt that much since I already knew they were coming. But both emails were actually very kind and encouraging.
 
Sites seem to be nicer when rejecting you this time around. I got two very nice rejection emails (Friends Hospital and Arizona State). Didn't really hurt that much since I already knew they were coming. But both emails were actually very kind and encouraging.

What did they say?
 
I understand why this process can feel like a roll of the dice at times, but I think labeling it a "total crapshoot" and "completely arbitrary" might be an overstatement. It is definitely a numbers game to the extent that, in order to match, you need to fall within the top x number of spots on sites' lists (and this is very difficult because of the high number of qualified students), but it is not completely arbitrary. Based on my experience of interviewing this year (12 interviews, all competitive, child-focused, APA-accredited programs), the groups of interns I had the chance to talk with at each site did not just have a random smattering of previous training experience and found themselves matched at some particular site. Nearly every intern had some unique clinical or research interest and/or extensive prior training with particular populations that the internship program offered training in (and often very extensively so). In other words, they had weaved a pretty consistent thread of interest since beginning graduate school of wanting to work with X population in X setting.

Yes. But I still mean the words that I chose. "Based on personal whim." Just like judges' rulings differ before and after lunch, TDs' choices of interviewees likely (I can't say because there's no study of this) differ based on completely arbitrary (again, that is my word choice) bases. Like the TD picks the 100 applicants with the top # of clinical hours (which are likely inflated, in my opinion), then goes through them and doesn't like the program name of some of them or the degree of others or anything else that the TD deems important about an applicant. In this way, a TD gets X number of interviewees. Then, interviews present the opportunity to rank applicants on additional subjective bases. Perhaps my "arbitrary" could be replaced with "subjective," if that is more palatable for readers. In either case, it doesn't add up to a "just world," where people are rewarded for being just/righteous/good.

I'm not saying it's based on TDs throwing darts at applicants' names but I am saying that the criteria used to select applicants for interviews is incredibly and absurdly flawed.
 
Sites seem to be nicer when rejecting you this time around. I got two very nice rejection emails (Friends Hospital and Arizona State). Didn't really hurt that much since I already knew they were coming. But both emails were actually very kind and encouraging.

I like that some sites are putting in the effort to send out notifications in Phase II. Maybe they're nicer because they're not required and they actually reflect someone at the site understanding the negative experience that applicants in Phase II are having?
 
I like that some sites are putting in the effort to send out notifications in Phase II. Maybe they're nicer because they're not required and they actually reflect someone at the site understanding the negative experience that applicants in Phase II are having?

Some sites were good about this last year but there were still plenty that never responded. My TD asked me to share my experience with Phase II from last year with the supervisors of all the tracks at my site so they have an idea of what it's like from the applicant side of things and I specifically told them to send out rejections in Phase II even though they don't have to (even if it's just a generic rejection with everyone BCCd in). Don't know if they did it last year but they are definitely doing it this year!
 
Some sites were good about this last year but there were still plenty that never responded. My TD asked me to share my experience with Phase II from last year with the supervisors of all the tracks at my site so they have an idea of what it's like from the applicant side of things and I specifically told them to send out rejections in Phase II even though they don't have to (even if it's just a generic rejection with everyone BCCd in). Don't know if they did it last year but they are definitely doing it this year!

None of the sites that I applied to last year sent out rejections (I even asked at the ones that I interviewed at) in Phase II, so it definitely seems to be a positive (in regard to applicants' mental/emotional.../rational states) change (because at least 1 of 3 did it this year 😛). Yay you and interns like you and your TD and the supervisors who listened. 😍
 
Phase II Interview Update

Interviews Offered:
Allendale Bradley Counseling Center
Arizona State University-phone
Berea's Children's Home-email
Bexar Juvenile Probation-email
Cal State Fullerton-email and phone
Caltech (screening interview)
Community Services Institute
Daily Behavioral Health-email
Devereux-email
Friends Hospital-phone
Fulton State Hospital-email
George Fox University
GFBHC
Greenville Correctional Center-email
Heart of America – Family Psychological Center
Heart of America-Royal Oaks Hospital
Institute for Multicultural Counseling and Education Service-email
James Madison University
Jefferson Center for Mental Health
Kentucky Department ofCorrections(phone)
Kentucky Ricers Community Care
Larned State Hospital
London Clinical Psychology Residency-phone
Lone Star Consortium-Big Spring StateHospital
Los Angeles Department of Mental Health
Miami Dade-County
Miami VA-email
New Mexico State
Ohio Psychology Internship-phone
Orlando VA-email
Portia Bell Hume Behav Health-phone
Riverview Psychiatric Center
Rogers Memorial
Royal Oaks Hospital-phone
Saint Elizabeths
Sheridan VA
Southeast Human Service Center-email
Southern Utah University
Spring Grove Hospital Center
Tarzana Youth Treatment Centers-phone
Torrance State Hospital-phone
Travis County JuvenileProbation-email& phone
Tulane Child Ped Track-email
UNC-phone
University of California-Riverside-email
University of Houston
USP Hazelton
White River Junction VA-phone
Wyoming VA

Possible Offer for Interview:
Georgia Tech (uncomfirmed)

Rejections:
Arizona State University
Andrus
Friends Hospital
Miami VA
Pacific Clinics
Southern Utah University
University of Rochester-email
Community Services Institutes
WJB Dorn VA (SC) email
Wyoming VA
 
What did they say?

Both of them gave thanks for having patience during the process and gave well wishes for the future. ASU emphasized to contact the TD with questions. While these emails are likely pretty standard (both Dear Applicant), it is still a nice gesture to even send them out. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but they seemed to genuinely empathize with what Phase II feels like.
 
Phase II Interview Update

Interviews Offered:
Allendale Bradley Counseling Center
Arizona State University-phone
Berea's Children's Home-email
Bexar Juvenile Probation-email
Cal State Fullerton-email and phone
Caltech (screening interview)
Community Services Institute
Daily Behavioral Health-email
Devereux-email
Friends Hospital-phone
Fulton State Hospital-email
George Fox University
GFBHC
Greenville Correctional Center-email
Heart of America – Family Psychological Center
Heart of America-Royal Oaks Hospital
Institute for Multicultural Counseling and Education Service-email
James Madison University
Jefferson Center for Mental Health
Kentucky Department ofCorrections(phone)
Kentucky Ricers Community Care
Larned State Hospital
London Clinical Psychology Residency-phone
Lone Star Consortium-Big Spring StateHospital
Los Angeles Department of Mental Health
Miami Dade-County
Miami VA-email
New Mexico State
Ohio Psychology Internship-phone
Orlando VA-email
Portia Bell Hume Behav Health-phone
Riverview Psychiatric Center
Rogers Memorial
Royal Oaks Hospital-phone
Saint Elizabeths
Sheridan VA
Southeast Human Service Center-email
Southern Utah University
Spring Grove Hospital Center
Tarzana Youth Treatment Centers-phone
Torrance State Hospital-phone
Travis County JuvenileProbation-email& phone
Tulane Child Ped Track-email
UNC-phone
University of California-Riverside-email
University of Houston
USP Hazelton
White River Junction VA-phone
Wyoming VA

Possible Offer for Interview:
Georgia Tech (uncomfirmed)

Rejections:
Arizona State University
Andrus
Friends Hospital
Miami VA
Pacific Clinics
Southern Utah University
University of Rochester-email
Community Services Institutes
WJB Dorn VA (SC) email
Wyoming VA

A friend of mine had a phone interview with Georgia Tech yesterday.
 
I had an interview with Georgia Tech this morning. So, confirmed!
 
Hmmm kind of a quiet day so far...I'm still waiting to hear about/back from five sites.
 
Just had my phone interview (my one and only)... I appreciate not having to spend the money to fly out to the site, but does anyone else become more anxious with phone interviews? I hate that I can't read their faces or see their reactions. Starting looking up job opportunities just in case..:scared:
 
Yes, I definitely feel awkward with phone interviews. I have found that checking in with the interviewers as I respond to their questions makes me feel more connected to the people in the room. I also do my best to "show my personality" over the phone by having my voice reflect the feeling in what I am saying.
 
Just had my phone interview (my one and only)... I appreciate not having to spend the money to fly out to the site, but does anyone else become more anxious with phone interviews? I hate that I can't read their faces or see their reactions. Starting looking up job opportunities just in case..:scared:

Haha, I think Skype interviews are so much worse than either in person or over the phone interviews. You're stuck looking at the person (or webcam, slightly above the person's image) and they can't see your hands or general body language. You have to pick - not just a quiet place - but an appropriate visual setting/background.

I like talking on the phone a LOT, though, so I'm biased. 😛

Good luck to everyone trying to plan for next year. :luck:
 
Anyone hear from these sites?

Baylor
Comprehensive Outpatient Services
Chestnut Hill
 
Haha, I think Skype interviews are so much worse than either in person or over the phone interviews. You're stuck looking at the person (or webcam, slightly above the person's image) and they can't see your hands or general body language. You have to pick - not just a quiet place - but an appropriate visual setting/background.

I like talking on the phone a LOT, though, so I'm biased. 😛

Good luck to everyone trying to plan for next year. :luck:

I totally agree! I feel like Skype interviews are the worst option. During both of my Skype interviews there were some technical difficulties, and my image froze on the screen during the interview - and Of course! I happened to be displaying the hokiest expression at that moment, haha.

I feel like phone interviews are nice in that you can relax a bit in that you do not feel like you are as much under a microscope, and also can have your notes handy if you are thrown a curve ball.
 
I totally agree! I feel like Skype interviews are the worst option. During both of my Skype interviews there were some technical difficulties, and my image froze on the screen during the interview - and Of course! I happened to be displaying the hokiest expression at that moment, haha.

I feel like phone interviews are nice in that you can relax a bit in that you do not feel like you are as much under a microscope, and also can have your notes handy if you are thrown a curve ball.

Agreed; phone interviews are definitely much more laid back, especially after you get used to them. I had a Skype interview for one of my postdoc sites, although I also met in-person with someone from the site at the same time who ran the whole thing, so that made it much less awkward.
 
It's postdoc match day... good luck to all the current interns who are doing the postdoc match!
 
Got a phone call to offer me a phone interview @ Ohio Psychology Internship; I'd given up after other people received their offers a week ago. Guess it isn't too late!
 
Short, bluntish rejection from Orlando VA. Eh well, I'll take 3 interviews.
 
Just got an interview offer at Tulane (child peds track)!

Not sure if the Tulane interview is in person, but if it's not and anyone has any questions about the site/program (based on my interview experience), feel free to PM me!
 
Got a phone call to offer me a phone interview @ Ohio Psychology Internship; I'd given up after other people received their offers a week ago. Guess it isn't too late!
Great news! Good luck on the interview!
 
3 interviews in the next two days with ranking deadline on Monday. CRAZY.
 
3 interviews in the next two days with ranking deadline on Monday. CRAZY.

Best of luck (to you and everyone else). If you end up participating in the neuropsych postdoc match next year, then just think of this as great practice for that whole splendiforous process 😀
 
Has anyone heard from 😕
-Comprehensive outpatient services
- Chestnut Hill
-Palos Beh. Health
-Rappahannok
-Park Place
- Heart of America- Greater Ozarks
- Natalis


I am starting to run out of hope, 😡 but it doesn't seem like anyone has heard either way from these sites.
 
I haven't heard anything from Comprehensive outpatient services or Palos Behavioral Health. Also, I still haven't heard from Oklahoma Health Consortium and the University of Toronto.
 
Has anyone heard from 😕
-Comprehensive outpatient services
- Chestnut Hill
-Palos Beh. Health
-Rappahannok
-Park Place
- Heart of America- Greater Ozarks
- Natalis


I am starting to run out of hope, 😡 but it doesn't seem like anyone has heard either way from these sites.

I had an interview at Palos Behavioral Health Professionals last week. I also applied to Comprehensive Outpatient Services, and have not heard anything back from them. Hang in there! Hoping we both get a few more last minute offers!
 
I too am still waiting to hear from sites. However, I am pretty sure that nothing is coming my way, so I'm already preparing for the next step and starting to put some plans into order for the next year.

Still waiting:

Arizona Psych Consortium
Gateway Foundation, Aurora Outpatient
Oklahoma Health Consortium
Park Place
 
I also applied to Rappahannock, Comprehensive and few others I haven't heard anything from. And it's almost the end of another day lol.. well closer here on EST. Good luck everyone!
 
I had an interview at Palos Behavioral Health Professionals last week. I also applied to Comprehensive Outpatient Services, and have not heard anything back from them. Hang in there! Hoping we both get a few more last minute offers!


One more off my list, which actually feels better at this point than the continued waiting. Thanks! Keeping my fingers crossed for us! 🙂
 
So, has anyone APPLIED for the position at Wright Patterson AFB? And has anyone heard from them?
 
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