2013 Osteopathic Medical College Information Book

[toxicwombat]

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[ManBroDude]

 

[TriagePreMed]

Man, those tuition are going up like crazy. I'm starting to feel like LECOM is becoming much better of a choice than all the rest. No way is it worth it to pay 51k to go to CCOM.

 

[ManBroDude]

Didn't think it was possible, but CCOM is now more expensive than it's Glendale counterpart AZCOM. Also, (no surprise, but) where is Marian?

Edit: Was Western always 47k?

 

[toxicwombat]

Man, those tuition are going up like crazy. I'm starting to feel like LECOM is becoming much better of a choice than all the rest. No way is it worth it to pay 51k to go to CCOM.

Agreed completely.

 

[user3]

Wow, MCAT average went up just 0.02 points, to an unimpressive 26.51, and GPA by .01. And people on here keep screaming how much more competitive admissions gets each year, and how they should retake their (gasp) 24-26, or do an SMP with their 3.2 GPA. 🙄

But seriously, I understand DO schools should look beyond the numbers, but to a point. With 15,000 applicants competing for 5,500 positions, I am starting to wonder whether schools are truly selecting the best. They need to take advantage of this recent surge in applications to bring their averages closer to MD.

 

[DrCalculi]

The older/big name schools have seen more and better applicants in recent years. I suspect the increase is there but diluted by other schools.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Wow, MCAT average went up just 0.02 points, to an unimpressive 26.51, and GPA by .01. And people on here keep screaming how much more competitive admissions gets each year, and how they should retake their (gasp) 24-26, or do an SMP with their 3.2 GPA. 🙄

But seriously, I understand DO schools should look beyond the numbers, but to a point. With 15,000 applicants competing for 5,500 positions, I am starting to wonder whether schools are truly selecting the best. They need to take advantage of this recent surge in applications to bring their averages closer to MD.

Newer schools are diluting the numbers and then schools like LECOM-E are accepting everyone. Anyway, DO schools don't look beyond numbers, they just set their standards lower because they honestly don't have a stable population of high quality applicants. All of the high ones, the ones with 3.5+/ 28+ applicants honestly have decent shots at MD and likely half of them will be accepted and thus not pursue education at a DO school. Thus basically DO schools fundamentally will have a difficult time holding onto higher stat candidates.
I would also think that another contributing factor to this is that there are likely a higher proportion of higher quality candidates applying to a particular pocket of schools ( CCOM, UMDNJ, etc) and avoiding all others even if it means reapplication next year. Thus meaning that some higher quality applicants will be rejected as they did not want to attend lower tier DO schools in rural areas.

But anyway, point being is that DO schools are not actively choosing lower candidates, they likely do choose a good amount of higher quality applicants, it's the students who are left after the MD app season that produce lower averages.

 

[FSUchess99]

78,891 for MSU non-resident (plus estimated 27,697 living costs)? They're basically telling non-residents to not bother applying. LECOM is less than 40% of that.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

78,891 for MSU non-resident (plus estimated 27,697 living costs)? They're basically telling non-residents to not bother applying. LECOM is less than 40% of that.

Some students obtain a scholarship reducing the price down to instate price, also Canadians receive a 20k scholarship.

 

[FrkyBgStok]

Newer schools are diluting the numbers and then schools like LECOM-E are accepting everyone. Anyway, DO schools don't look beyond numbers, they just set their standards lower because they honestly don't have a stable population of high quality applicants. All of the high ones, the ones with 3.5+/ 28+ applicants honestly have decent shots at MD and likely half of them will be accepted and thus not pursue education at a DO school. Thus basically DO schools fundamentally will have a difficult time holding onto higher stat candidates.
I would also think that another contributing factor to this is that there are likely a higher proportion of higher quality candidates applying to a particular pocket of schools ( CCOM, UMDNJ, etc) and avoiding all others even if it means reapplication next year. Thus meaning that some higher quality applicants will be rejected as they did not want to attend lower tier DO schools in rural areas.

But anyway, point being is that DO schools are not actively choosing lower candidates, they likely do choose a good amount of higher quality applicants, it's the students who are left after the MD app season that produce lower averages.

i pretty much agree with you here. And it is unfortunate. It is mainly why you have 4 or 5 schools that have similar averages as low-mid tier MD schools, 4 or 5 with high DO averages, and the rest with crappy averages. Sure, some DO schools will see 3.8+, 30+ candidates, but the majority of them either wanted to go DO for some reason (location, OMM, etc.) or they didn't apply broadly enough to MD.

Kind of like being into Star Wars. Sure there are some jocks and fitness models that like Star Wars, but the vast majority or nerds, so they instantly get lumped in.

 

[NurWollen]

Man, those tuition are going up like crazy. I'm starting to feel like LECOM is becoming much better of a choice than all the rest. No way is it worth it to pay 51k to go to CCOM.

Newer schools are diluting the numbers and then schools like LECOM-E are accepting everyone. Anyway, DO schools don't look beyond numbers, they just set their standards lower because they honestly don't have a stable population of high quality applicants. All of the high ones, the ones with 3.5+/ 28+ applicants honestly have decent shots at MD and likely half of them will be accepted and thus not pursue education at a DO school. Thus basically DO schools fundamentally will have a difficult time holding onto higher stat candidates.
I would also think that another contributing factor to this is that there are likely a higher proportion of higher quality candidates applying to a particular pocket of schools ( CCOM, UMDNJ, etc) and avoiding all others even if it means reapplication next year. Thus meaning that some higher quality applicants will be rejected as they did not want to attend lower tier DO schools in rural areas.

But anyway, point being is that DO schools are not actively choosing lower candidates, they likely do choose a good amount of higher quality applicants, it's the students who are left after the MD app season that produce lower averages.

Someone suggested on another thread a while back that Serenade and Triage were the same person. Guess not.

Anyway, I agree with ManBroDude, I would like to know about Marian, and for that matter, Southern Alabama.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Didn't think it was possible, but CCOM is now more expensive than it's Glendale counterpart AZCOM. Also, (no surprise, but) where is Marian?

Edit: Was Western always 47k?

I believe it was always something like that. Did you think it was higher or lower?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Someone suggested on another thread a while back that Serenade and Triage were the same person. Guess not.

Anyway, I agree with ManBroDude, I would like to know about Marian, and for that matter, Southern Alabama.

Yah, we disagree a bit too much to be the same person.

 

[SoulinNeed]

Yah, we disagree a bit too much to be the same person.

I believe that it's actually been reported that LECOM's average MCAT is around a 27 or 28, and not what their outdated website thinks.

And yes, what others are saying is true, there is a gap developing between top DO schools and all the new ones being opened.

 

[TriagePreMed]

Someone suggested on another thread a while back that Serenade and Triage were the same person. Guess not.

Anyway, I agree with ManBroDude, I would like to know about Marian, and for that matter, Southern Alabama.

lol what thread is that?

 

[NurWollen]

I believe that it's actually been reported that LECOM's average MCAT is around a 27 or 28, and not what their outdated website thinks.

And yes, what others are saying is true, there is a gap developing between top DO schools and all the new ones being opened.

That's what I heard from their admissions rep, as well.

 

[TriagePreMed]

That's what I heard from their admissions rep, as well.

Must be. Closest I found was class of 2014 (entering 2010) at a 26 MCAT https://bulldogs.kettering.edu/premedclub/files/2011/03/LECOM-Presentation-Part-2.pdf

 

[dbizzy]

Edit: Was Western always 47k?

Last year's CIB listed Western at $45,385, so about a 2k bump. Dammit.

 

[FSUchess99]

I'm hoping Costco can open their med school by next fall, my dad has a membership card and it would be convenient to attend lecture and buy bulk shampoo in the same place.

 

[crmellon]

My interview group for AZCOM had some solid MCAT scores, (well, at least what they were saying), I scored a 33 and there were 2 other 30+. I think it's increasing, slowly but surely.

 

[crmellon]

I'm hoping Costco can open their med school by next fall, my dad has a membership card and it would be convenient to attend lecture and buy bulk shampoo in the same place.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I'm hoping Costco can open their med school by next fall, my dad has a membership card and it would be convenient to attend lecture and buy bulk shampoo in the same place.

Ironically they'd probably have more research funding than most DO schools... 😡

 

[user3]

i pretty much agree with you here. And it is unfortunate. It is mainly why you have 4 or 5 schools that have similar averages as low-mid tier MD schools, 4 or 5 with high DO averages, and the rest with crappy averages. Sure, some DO schools will see 3.8+, 30+ candidates, but the majority of them either wanted to go DO for some reason (location, OMM, etc.) or they didn't apply broadly enough to MD.

Kind of like being into Star Wars. Sure there are some jocks and fitness models that like Star Wars, but the vast majority or nerds, so they instantly get lumped in.

2 schools that could step up their averages are PCOM (Pa) and to a lesser extent, MSU. It seems like no one that isn't from PA or a nearby state gets interviews from PCOM. And if MSU didn't charge their exorbitant OOS tuition, ask for separate evals and a zillion community service hours that most people probably lie about anyway, they (and PCOM) could attract the cream of the applicant pool.

 

[MedicinaeDoctor]

2 schools that could step up their averages are PCOM (Pa) and to a lesser extent, MSU. It seems like no one that isn't from PA or a nearby state gets interviews from PCOM. And if MSU didn't charge their exorbitant OOS tuition, ask for separate evals and a zillion community service hours that most people probably lie about anyway, they (and PCOM) could attract the cream of the applicant pool.

by nearby states, i'm guessing you mean maryland and delaware, but not new york right? guess i'm outta luck as a ny resident.

 

[ManBroDude]

2 schools that could step up their averages are PCOM (Pa) and to a lesser extent, MSU. It seems like no one that isn't from PA or a nearby state gets interviews from PCOM. And if MSU didn't charge their exorbitant OOS tuition, ask for separate evals and a zillion community service hours that most people probably lie about anyway, they (and PCOM) could attract the cream of the applicant pool.

I didn't even bother applying to PCOM, knowing their in-state bias. And when I saw MSU's application with their endless hoops to jump through for the application, I laughed and threw the secondary in the wastebasket and saved myself a few hundred hours. It was painful enough the first time; there was no way I was going to go through the whole process of getting LOR's AGAIN!

 

[FrkyBgStok]

I didn't even bother applying to PCOM, knowing their in-state bias. And when I saw MSU's application with their endless hoops to jump through for the application, I laughed and threw the secondary in the wastebasket and saved myself a few hundred hours. It was painful enough the first time; there was no way I was going to go through the whole process of getting LOR's AGAIN!

agreed with the MSU part. I didn't try because of the tuition but just reading the "you need this, this, and this, attached to this and this, and provide this and this," it was way easy to pass up.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I didn't even bother applying to PCOM, knowing their in-state bias. And when I saw MSU's application with their endless hoops to jump through for the application, I laughed and threw the secondary in the wastebasket and saved myself a few hundred hours. It was painful enough the first time; there was no way I was going to go through the whole process of getting LOR's AGAIN!

I pray being from Maryland will help keep my app from being cast to the side with all of those poor Californian apps 🙁.