2014-2015 APPIC (internship) interview thread

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My top site is in a great location and is a great fit, the trouble I'm having is with my second ranking. I loved the site and training, but location wise I would be fine living there a year but would want out right after. My partner is saying he wouldn't want to be there at all, though. I guess my thought is that we could do long distance for the year, it's just not worth sacrificing a great training year. Reading everyone's concerns about partners is definitely cuing some feelings like I'm being self centered by saying I would still move even if he didn't go. But I also recognize I've worked hard to get to the point where I can even be thinking about these great sites. This is just such a hard process- I wish I knew if this stress of ranking even mattered!
I would go somewhere for a year by myself if I had to, if that helps restore some confidence! I think a lot of people would. It almost seems easier to do it that way if you're truly seeing it as a one year only commitment. No reason to completely reset two peoples' lives for a year if it's avoidable.

It is really frustrating though when there are great sites in undesirable locations. It definitely creates major cognitive dissonance and will contribute to that bittersweet feeling of matching I talked about a few pages ago.
 
My top site is in a great location and is a great fit, the trouble I'm having is with my second ranking. I loved the site and training, but location wise I would be fine living there a year but would want out right after. My partner is saying he wouldn't want to be there at all, though. I guess my thought is that we could do long distance for the year, it's just not worth sacrificing a great training year. Reading everyone's concerns about partners is definitely cuing some feelings like I'm being self centered by saying I would still move even if he didn't go. But I also recognize I've worked hard to get to the point where I can even be thinking about these great sites. This is just such a hard process- I wish I knew if this stress of ranking even mattered!
I think going long distance is a decision that makes sense for a lot of people! One of the hardest parts of this is that we can't predict the future (darn), so perhaps spending a year apart would be the best choice for both of you in the end. I know what you mean about wondering if this stress even matters. We spend so much time weighing and thinking and it's tough to know if it really matters in the end. Here's to hoping you get your first site so the end decision is "easy" for you and your partner!
 
This is primarily in response to MK1000 because I, too, am considering partner and kids and boy, is it hard (although I really like them a lot 🙂. That sounds silly but its a major bummer for me to see sites that I've been crushing on since the beginning of grad school (I acquired both the partner and the kid during grad school) in the middle or towards the bottom of my ranking list. I'm second guessing myself all day (and all night) but I ranked almost purely geographically.
This means that sites that I'm probably the best fit for and that are more "competitive" are way down on the list because my partner can't work in that city or I don't have any social support (read: childcare help) there.
Sometimes my pre-kids mind says "but you worked hard for the last five years and got an interview at x dream site; rank it first!". Interestingly, my advisor says this too. But it would be much better for my kid if she was closer to grandparents and/or cousins, had a working dad (cause god knows mom wont be bringing in the dollars) and therefore had a less stressed out momma. sigh.

Who knows? Maybe I'll end up at one of those dream sites. And just to clarify, I totally admire those who are following their dreams, even if it means being separated from family for a year. There are so many positives to doing that as well and I find it to be a very personal choice.
 
I was in a long-distance relationship for four years during grad school (coast to coast, not just a few states away), then moved back to be closer to my partner for my last year. Long distance is tough, but doable. I am hoping not to have to do it again and my partner is open to moving for the year. We are in the middle of planning out wedding, so long-distance would really stink.
 
I was in a long-distance relationship for four years during grad school (coast to coast, not just a few states away), then moved back to be closer to my partner for my last year. Long distance is tough, but doable. I am hoping not to have to do it again and my partner is open to moving for the year. We are in the middle of planning out wedding, so long-distance would really stink.
I know how you feel. I was in this position last year, and now that we are married my husband is being VERY understanding. He knows my number one site is about a five hour drive away, but it's also a great fit training wise. My two and three choices are flights away, so a drive is ideal. We did long distance the first two years we dated, so as much as it sucks to go back to long distance we know it's for the best. Such a double-edged sword!
 
Just received a reminder from the Match site reminding me to submit my rankings bc they have not received them yet. As if I forgot 😉
 
I think going long distance is a decision that makes sense for a lot of people! One of the hardest parts of this is that we can't predict the future (darn), so perhaps spending a year apart would be the best choice for both of you in the end. I know what you mean about wondering if this stress even matters. We spend so much time weighing and thinking and it's tough to know if it really matters in the end. Here's to hoping you get your first site so the end decision is "easy" for you and your partner!
I think the long distance stuff is so hard to navigate. My partner is an academic on a tenure track job and cannot move with me. My top choice in the area where we live expects between 65-80 hours/week -- and so although I would get to live with my partner I would never see them! So I've ranked it lower than sites that are a better fit and respect my time but are 5-6 hours away.... :/
 
So I guess it is getting around that time (Still quite early though, I know) so I might as well post...

I'm not very optimistic about matching and I'm feeling rather disheartened. I didn't get the interviews that I expected and don't expect to match. I sent my application materials to a professor and he gave me some blunt/good feedback on them. Mainly I think I need to really rework my biographical essay to make it stand out more. It just was pretty weak (I knew that when I submitted my applications) and didn't do much for me. Some of the stuff I can't change (GPA isn't amazing, no publications, etc.)

I've read through the end of last year's match thread and read a bit of the Phase II thread, but anyone have some quick advice?
 
So I guess it is getting around that time (Still quite early though, I know) so I might as well post...

I'm not very optimistic about matching and I'm feeling rather disheartened. I didn't get the interviews that I expected and don't expect to match. I sent my application materials to a professor and he gave me some blunt/good feedback on them. Mainly I think I need to really rework my biographical essay to make it stand out more. It just was pretty weak (I knew that when I submitted my applications) and didn't do much for me. Some of the stuff I can't change (GPA isn't amazing, no publications, etc.)

I've read through the end of last year's match thread and read a bit of the Phase II thread, but anyone have some quick advice?

I do think it is a bit early to be worrying about not matching, but I don't know your specific interview experience so I can give general suggestions. Although you can't work on cover letters because you don't know what sites will be looking to fill spots for phase 2, you can work on your essays and CV and possibly look for other letters of recommendation. I would suggest asking a current student in your program, someone you may know who is currently on internship, your chair, another faculty member, and someone not affiliated with the field at all (a friend or family member) to read over your stuff. It sounds like you've already pinpointed that your biographical essay needs reworking, but I would look at all 4 of your essays in combination and see if they tell a cohesive, integrated story. I would also have someone look over a cover letter for one site that you applied to for general feedback on how you've written your cover letter. I'm not sure if you were able to see your letters of rec before your letter writers submitted but if they aren't strong letters then maybe find someone who you think could write a stronger letter. I know this is a scary process but I would try and use that sadness over potentially not matching as fuel to get good feedback on your materials so that you can be really prepared to apply for sites during phase 2. I would also recommend that, if for some reason you don't match in phase 1, that you really look at your application and determine your fit for the available sites. If you don't have any publications, maybe stay away from research heavy sites. Make sure to really detail specifically why you are a great match for those sites and stay away from form cover letters. Lastly, take a deep breath and breathe. In the past, some people from my program have not matched the first time and used that time to finish their dissertations, gain additional practicum/assessment experience, and prepare to apply the next year and they really appreciated having the extra time to gain additional experience. I know that may seem very sad and discouraging at this point, but keep your chin up! It will be ok 🙂 I hope this helps!!
 
Not to be a Debbie downer but just how much change can you make from match day till October? I am in a similar position as azymo and apart from completing my dissertation I really don't what else I can do.I have an externship starting in June but I don't know if that will make much of a difference because June to October is not one year so I am not sure if it will count
 
Anyone ranking a site that didn't interview them? I know we are "allowed" to do that, but I can't imagine getting matched to an internship site that didn't even ask me to interview them! I don't think i'm going to rank those sites, but i'm wondering if anyone else is/has heard about people matching to sites where they didn't get an interview.
 
Anyone ranking a site that didn't interview them? I know we are "allowed" to do that, but I can't imagine getting matched to an internship site that didn't even ask me to interview them! I don't think i'm going to rank those sites, but i'm wondering if anyone else is/has heard about people matching to sites where they didn't get an interview.

Not unless the site contacted you and said that although they could not offer you an interview, they plan on ranking you. I have heard of sites doing this. I am not ranking any sites that did not interview me, but a friend and I were joking around thinking that it would be humorous to rank all of the sites that participate in the match and see if it would be possible to match where you did not interview (if a site reversed numbers and meant a different applicant, etc).
 
So I guess it is getting around that time (Still quite early though, I know) so I might as well post...

I'm not very optimistic about matching and I'm feeling rather disheartened. I didn't get the interviews that I expected and don't expect to match. I sent my application materials to a professor and he gave me some blunt/good feedback on them. Mainly I think I need to really rework my biographical essay to make it stand out more. It just was pretty weak (I knew that when I submitted my applications) and didn't do much for me. Some of the stuff I can't change (GPA isn't amazing, no publications, etc.)

I've read through the end of last year's match thread and read a bit of the Phase II thread, but anyone have some quick advice?


I'm sorry to hear that this process has been so disheartening. I think it can and will be that way for too many people. Any chance you had at least one interview that seemed to be positive? The old adage of only needing one is true, after all, and may help balance planning ahead for stage 2 and hoping for a match.
 
Not to be a Debbie downer but just how much change can you make from match day till October? I am in a similar position as azymo and apart from completing my dissertation I really don't what else I can do.I have an externship starting in June but I don't know if that will make much of a difference because June to October is not one year so I am not sure if it will count
I respect your concern for this situation. I think there are more ways to make this work than may be immediately obvious. For example, you'd have that extra externship. You could also spend some time volunteering or taking a psychometry position. I read a couple years ago that volunteering was a big thing that sites were starting to look at, though I can't validate if that's true. You can also line things up to do next year that you can highlight in cover letters in October. For example, I started my last practicum in mid-September of this year and submitted applications at the end of October. Though that was a brief period of actual new experience, I mentioned in my cover letter how I anticipated to have X many direct hours and X integrated reports by the start of internship. There is also a place on the AAPI to give projected practicum/clinical experience. So, while you're correct that February to October doesn't allow for mega changes, you can still plan out useful experiences for the coming year and allude to them in your cover letters/AAPI/essays. In terms of adding stuff to CV, seek out some trainings, teaching assistantship, volunteer, work, etc. When you think about it, we all applied at a point of having "one year less" experience than we'd have come Match Day. You're in the same position now if you think about it.
 
To answer some people's questions from earlier in this thread:
-You CAN claim your December travel on your taxes this year
-My match e-mail last year came at 7:17AM EST last year, and I did match.
 
So I guess it is getting around that time (Still quite early though, I know) so I might as well post...

I'm not very optimistic about matching and I'm feeling rather disheartened. I didn't get the interviews that I expected and don't expect to match. I sent my application materials to a professor and he gave me some blunt/good feedback on them. Mainly I think I need to really rework my biographical essay to make it stand out more. It just was pretty weak (I knew that when I submitted my applications) and didn't do much for me. Some of the stuff I can't change (GPA isn't amazing, no publications, etc.)

I've read through the end of last year's match thread and read a bit of the Phase II thread, but anyone have some quick advice?

I am so sorry that you are feeling so disheartened. This entire process is disheartening.

I would echo APACounselingPsych's suggestions about refining your essays into a coherent "story" and getting feedback about your cover letters. Perhaps a critical eye in regards to your specificity of fit?

If you do go on to Phase II, I would encourage you to really evaluate those sites with your goals in mind. I did not match last year and Phase II had some really great sites. However, they weren't all great sites for me, and honestly sites will get so many applications in this phase that unless it is crystal clear how you fit there, your application will not be given consideration. I do not know if this is true, but I was told that training directors have a similar search system as APPIC to find applicants and that they will use this much more heavily in Phase II.
 
Not to be a Debbie downer but just how much change can you make from match day till October? I am in a similar position as azymo and apart from completing my dissertation I really don't what else I can do.I have an externship starting in June but I don't know if that will make much of a difference because June to October is not one year so I am not sure if it will count

It is really scary to think about not matching! However, in your defense, your application would have changed a lot! Everything since October 2014 (when applications were submitted) would be new additions since sites may or may not have included projected hours/experiences in their evaluation. Additionally, defending your dissertation is a huge change in your application! Sites highly value this!! I didn't match last year and even stayed at the same practicum site, yet my application was significantly improved. My essays were much more refined, my hours were significantly increased, I had increased variety of populations within the same field, and I could speak to my experiences much more eloquently. Strangely enough though, one of the biggest changes were the sites that I applied to. I just had a much better sense of what was a good fit for me and could easily speak to this in cover letters and interviews.

The externship possibility could possibly serve you if it provides a deeper exposure to your interests. Although I stayed at the same hospital site, I changed clinics and supervisors, and this was actually a selling point of being able to work in a variety of clinics with different supervisors because I had both breadth and depth.
 
So I guess it is getting around that time (Still quite early though, I know) so I might as well post...

I'm not very optimistic about matching and I'm feeling rather disheartened. I didn't get the interviews that I expected and don't expect to match. I sent my application materials to a professor and he gave me some blunt/good feedback on them. Mainly I think I need to really rework my biographical essay to make it stand out more. It just was pretty weak (I knew that when I submitted my applications) and didn't do much for me. Some of the stuff I can't change (GPA isn't amazing, no publications, etc.)

I've read through the end of last year's match thread and read a bit of the Phase II thread, but anyone have some quick advice?

1) Don't give up until the process unfolds. If you had interviews and places to rank you may be judging your chances too harshly. This is the season to practice self-compassion and radical acceptance.
2) Not matching would of course be disheartening given all your recent hard work. But if it happens you have a new set of options and have already been collecting useful information to inform the next step. A significant proportion of applicants each year go out into the match too early in terms of dissertation progress or practical experience. Another year can radically change options and you will read stories on here to support that. You will also be surprised by what is available in Match II and the Clearinghouse.
 
If you do go on to Phase II, I would encourage you to really evaluate those sites with your goals in mind. I did not match last year and Phase II had some really great sites. However, they weren't all great sites for me, and honestly sites will get so many applications in this phase that unless it is crystal clear how you fit there, your application will not be given consideration. I do not know if this is true, but I was told that training directors have a similar search system as APPIC to find applicants and that they will use this much more heavily in Phase II.

Can you speak more to your Phase II experience? I'm not highly anticipating being in that situation, but it would be nice to get a little grounding in it beforehand. Is it identical to Phase I? Did you opt not to apply to Phase II sites because they weren't a good fit for you? How do you think sites view applicants differently in II versus I? I figured they'd be less rigid at that point because they'd be in a place of desperation much like we are. My school has a history of a decent match rate in Phase I, but with a sizable portion of folks unmatched until Phase II when we hit near 100% matching. I figured something must have differed between I and II for unmatched folks to have such success in the second phase, unless it's just a matter of smarter selecting the second time around (i.e., not limiting themselves to APA or a certain region or type of unrealistic site).
 
To answer some people's questions from earlier in this thread:
-You CAN claim your December travel on your taxes this year
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Check with an accountant on the deductible piece. It's definitely not clear cut, as typically what would be tax deductible is if you've been gainfully employed and are searching for a new job in lieu of your old one. Also, depending on how much you spent, it may very well not be worthwhile to itemize everything vs the standard deductible. I have an ongoing conversation going with a CPA family member about it and will update if I hear more. But definitely be careful- it's not worth risking an audit for the next several years!
 
So I guess it is getting around that time (Still quite early though, I know) so I might as well post...

I'm not very optimistic about matching and I'm feeling rather disheartened. I didn't get the interviews that I expected and don't expect to match. I sent my application materials to a professor and he gave me some blunt/good feedback on them. Mainly I think I need to really rework my biographical essay to make it stand out more. It just was pretty weak (I knew that when I submitted my applications) and didn't do much for me. Some of the stuff I can't change (GPA isn't amazing, no publications, etc.)

I've read through the end of last year's match thread and read a bit of the Phase II thread, but anyone have some quick advice?
I know how you feel, and I definitely am experiencing some of that anxiety as well. However, for the sake of being proactive, I agree buffing up your autobiographical essay would be useful if you end up in Phase II. Some feedback I've heard about my previous cover letters was being sure to emphasize EBTs you have experience with an almost overemphasizing your fit with the program. If for some reason you end up reapplying next year, see if you can get your name on some sort of publication or at least a poster presentation or two at a national/regional conference. Completing your dissertation is also a HUGE step in the right direction.

In the end though, it's a flawed system and great applicants fall through the cracks because it is VERY difficult to stand out on paper with such a competitive applicant pool. It sounds cliche, but it really does only take one site to match. However, I also didn't get near as many interviews this year, and I'm hoping that having a few sites with 5-6 spots will help my odds. If the 20th comes and you don't match, it'll suck, but life goes on. There are awesome sites in Phase II who end up with open positions for the same reason well qualified applicants don't match, bad luck and a bad system!
 
Hi all - I'm still struggling with rankings. =/

Site 1: Not a great fit for what I'm looking for - I think I'd have to bend/adjust to a lot of things, and not enjoy the process very well. Nice geographic location - my partner lives there, and can't relocate. Postdoc opportunities are narrow in this city - and not good fits for my interests (75% research - I don't want to be writing grants).

Site 2: Fantastic fit for my clinical interests, but across the nation, and not a place I'd like to be long-term. (I can make a year work, but want to live in my partner's city.)

Not sure what to do - running low on time!
I'd like to figure out how I can accrue hours that count toward licensure in that city or nearby. One psychiatric center does not hire Associate Psychologists (only Licensed Psychologists), some hospitals don't have Ph.D.s who can supervise hours, etc. =/

Please help?
 
Hi all - I'm still struggling with rankings. =/

Site 1: Not a great fit for what I'm looking for - I think I'd have to bend/adjust to a lot of things, and not enjoy the process very well. Nice geographic location - my partner lives there, and can't relocate. Postdoc opportunities are narrow in this city - and not good fits for my interests (75% research - I don't want to be writing grants).

Site 2: Fantastic fit for my clinical interests, but across the nation, and not a place I'd like to be long-term. (I can make a year work, but want to live in my partner's city.)

Not sure what to do - running low on time!
I'd like to figure out how I can accrue hours that count toward licensure in that city or nearby. One psychiatric center does not hire Associate Psychologists (only Licensed Psychologists), some hospitals don't have Ph.D.s who can supervise hours, etc. =/

Please help?
I'm a little confused on what you're asking, so if I miss the mark I apologize! Are you deciding between Site 1 and 2? It sounds like you may have already answered your own question. If Site 1 is not a great fit, which seems really clear to you, it probably seemed clear to the site that you weren't a good fit either. So, it doesn't sound likely that Site 1 will rank you highly. Reflect on the interview and how you felt that went. I know we're not supposed to rank based on how we think sites will rank us, but the interview was a key piece to this. If there was a lot of conversation about how you want X and there aren't really many opportunities for X in that site/city, then it was probably obvious to everyone that it's an unlikely match. For Site 2, you've expressed it's really something you'd like and that you would be willing to live there for a year, which is a double bonus. As someone who is really pulled by geographical location, I totally understand your hesitancy in potentially locking yourself into an uncomfortable/unideal location. However, it sounds like you're much more likely to match with Site 2. If you rank it low and someone else ranks it high, you might lose out. If you rank Site 1 high, and they don't rank you high, then you could lose out. It seems smartest to rank Site 2 over Site 1.

Hope that helps!
 
That helps, heart! I think I'll rank Site 2 my #1, since it was such a darned good fit.

I guess I'm worried, then, that I won't be able to find ways to acquire supervised hours to gain licensure in the city I'm interested in living long-term. The post-docs in that city won't work for me, since they involve writing grants and publishing scholarly research, and do not involve clinical work to gain licensure. Does anyone have any advice on that?
 
That helps, heart! I think I'll rank Site 2 my #1, since it was such a darned good fit.

I guess I'm worried, then, that I won't be able to find ways to acquire supervised hours to gain licensure in the city I'm interested in living long-term. The post-docs in that city won't work for me, since they involve writing grants and publishing scholarly research, and do not involve clinical work to gain licensure. Does anyone have any advice on that?

Could you network in that city in order to do an informal post-doc in a hospital, VA, AMC, private practice, etc.?
 
Hi all - I'm still struggling with rankings. =/

Site 1: Not a great fit for what I'm looking for - I think I'd have to bend/adjust to a lot of things, and not enjoy the process very well. Nice geographic location - my partner lives there, and can't relocate. Postdoc opportunities are narrow in this city - and not good fits for my interests (75% research - I don't want to be writing grants).

Site 2: Fantastic fit for my clinical interests, but across the nation, and not a place I'd like to be long-term. (I can make a year work, but want to live in my partner's city.)

Not sure what to do - running low on time!
I'd like to figure out how I can accrue hours that count toward licensure in that city or nearby. One psychiatric center does not hire Associate Psychologists (only Licensed Psychologists), some hospitals don't have Ph.D.s who can supervise hours, etc. =/

Please help?


This dilemma is absolutely part of what I'm going through as well, and ended up ranking my "site 2" much higher (second) since the only downside is location. I want to be excited and learn a ton next year- and I'll be able to make enough connections that hopefully someone will know someone in the state I want to end up. Even if that means a year of long distance and working harder to connect.
 
I'm a little confused on what you're asking, so if I miss the mark I apologize! Are you deciding between Site 1 and 2? It sounds like you may have already answered your own question. If Site 1 is not a great fit, which seems really clear to you, it probably seemed clear to the site that you weren't a good fit either. So, it doesn't sound likely that Site 1 will rank you highly. Reflect on the interview and how you felt that went. I know we're not supposed to rank based on how we think sites will rank us, but the interview was a key piece to this. If there was a lot of conversation about how you want X and there aren't really many opportunities for X in that site/city, then it was probably obvious to everyone that it's an unlikely match. For Site 2, you've expressed it's really something you'd like and that you would be willing to live there for a year, which is a double bonus. As someone who is really pulled by geographical location, I totally understand your hesitancy in potentially locking yourself into an uncomfortable/unideal location. However, it sounds like you're much more likely to match with Site 2. If you rank it low and someone else ranks it high, you might lose out. If you rank Site 1 high, and they don't rank you high, then you could lose out. It seems smartest to rank Site 2 over Site 1.

Hope that helps!

I am confused. If site 1 doesn't rank her or ranks her low and a more preferred applicant matches at site 1, it would not affect site 2 as long as they have her ranked high and a more preferred applicant does not rank it high and matches there bc they are more preferred. How would she lose out?
 
I am confused. If site 1 doesn't rank her or ranks her low and a more preferred applicant matches at site 1, it would not affect site 2 as long as they have her ranked high and a more preferred applicant does not rank it high and matches there bc they are more preferred. How would she lose out?


Right- my dct explains it as if you don't match with your first site, your second rank becomes your first rank for all intents and purposes. It truly doesn't matter how many you put before the site that ranks you highly if you aren't more highly preferred by the initial sites.
 
Right- my dct explains it as if you don't match with your first site, your second rank becomes your first rank for all intents and purposes. It truly doesn't matter how many you put before the site that ranks you highly if you aren't more highly preferred by the initial sites.

Good way of explaining it. I had to watch the YouTube video a few times. 🙂
 
Could you network in that city in order to do an informal post-doc in a hospital, VA, AMC, private practice, etc.?

I don't live in that city now, so it's tough - I feel like the only benefit to ranking the site I don't like my #1 is being able to develop those connections - Ugh.
 
I don't live in that city now, so it's tough - I feel like the only benefit to ranking the site I don't like my #1 is being able to develop those connections - Ugh.

That makes sense. Which site do you think you would grow more at? Did you get any sense of where their interns go on to do postdoc?
 
Hi everyone, I was invited but unable to visit Bay Pines VA (Neuro track), Ann Arbor VA (Behavioral health track), and Louis Stokes Cleveland VA (geropsych). Thus, I was hoping if anyone had info on sites they could PM. Thanks!
 
To piggy back on that, anyone who interviewed at Friends Hospital, I would love to touch base since I couldn't make it.
 
Wondering if anyone knows anyone who has done a post-doc in LGBTQ Health Psychology at a VA? They are fairly new...hoping to get a sense of what it's like and qualifications needed. PM me!
 
Is there a way to see if a particular site has gone to Phase II in the past?
To my knowledge, there is no publicly available way. However, when I did not match last year, I combed through past threads on here and a couple of them had lists posted either in a separate Phase II thread or at the end of the year's interview thread.
 
Can you speak more to your Phase II experience? I'm not highly anticipating being in that situation, but it would be nice to get a little grounding in it beforehand. Is it identical to Phase I? Did you opt not to apply to Phase II sites because they weren't a good fit for you? How do you think sites view applicants differently in II versus I? I figured they'd be less rigid at that point because they'd be in a place of desperation much like we are. My school has a history of a decent match rate in Phase I, but with a sizable portion of folks unmatched until Phase II when we hit near 100% matching. I figured something must have differed between I and II for unmatched folks to have such success in the second phase, unless it's just a matter of smarter selecting the second time around (i.e., not limiting themselves to APA or a certain region or type of unrealistic site).

Before I explain my experience of Phase II, let me say to anyone reading, while I understand being discouraged, don't give up all hope! I personally know someone that had one interview and matched. It truly only takes one.


Okay, so I got my email around 7:20 am CST. The email contained a link to see Phase II positions and said it would be available at 11 am EST. I did not look at this until the afternoon, so I can't speak to when it actually opened. The sites were listed alphabetically by state. I believe there were around 100 sites (APA-accredited and non-accredited), but can't find the original list of sites, so this may be inaccurate.

The sites I applied to for Phase II were:
UCLA- Semel Institute, Health and Behavior, 1 position
Little Rock VA, Health, 1 position
Institute for Multicultural Counseling and Education Services (in Los Angeles), General, 2 positions
Atlanta VA, General, 1 position
Jesse Brown VA, Crown Point, 1 position
NY Presbyterian/Weill-Cornell, General, 1 position
Alpert Medical of Brown University, MIDAS, 1 position
American Lake/Puget Sound VA, General, 4 positions.
This was a fairly poor to mediocre list in terms of fit. Although I am health-focused, the opportunities and culture at the sites didn't sync up well for the most part. Plus, MIDAS was research-focused, which is not my interest at all. A person in my cohort also didn't match but was child-focused and was able to apply to 22 (!) APA-accredited kid sites that were a fairly good match. There is no cost associated with Phase II applications.

Applying was very similar with using the base application and personalizing a cover letter with no supplemental materials required for the initial application. We had less than 6 days to submit this. Training directors could not access anyone's application during this 6 day window, so there wasn't an advantage for submitting first. The applications were then made available on that 6th day at 11 am EST (i.e. Match Day was on a Friday and Phase II applications were made available to training directors the following Thursday). I checked the policies (http://www.appic.org/Match/FAQs/Training-Directors/Phase-II) and training directors do have the ability to filter applications by criteria. This was particularly obvious because invitations for interview/request for supplementals went out that very same day by about 1 pm EST. Sites do not have to give you any information regarding your status so there is not an expectation of a rejection. I did not receive any interviews but did receive one rejection from the Atlanta VA stating they received 178 applications for 1 position and one waitlist/rejection from the Arkansas VA stating that they extended interviews to their top candidates but would still be ranking me. My cohort mate received 11 phone interviews (eventually matching with her number 1). Phone interviews are "strongly recommended" but I remember there was a SDN post where a person was invited to interview with IMCES and the person said that IMCES required an in-person interview the very next week and would not consider a candidate that wouldn't be able to make it.

Then you do another rank list approximately two weeks after applications were made available with another official Match Day a week after that (mid/late March). After this, you can sign up for something called Post-Match Vacancy where you are on a Greg listserv announcing new positions available with site-chosen deadlines with a first-come advantage. This had quite a few APA spots but about 90% kid-focused. It was actually kind of bizarre though because a couple APA spots (kid-focused) extended their deadlines and then withdrew from Post-Match because they didn't receive any applications. Greg even sent a somewhat scolding email about not giving up, etc. New spots were later added with HRSA grants. Post-Match officially ended October 31, 2014.

:whoa:And now we're all here.

Hope I didn't do information overload! My anxiety is soothed by information so I wanted to be thorough, but I know this isn't the case for everyone.
 
Before I explain my experience of Phase II, let me say to anyone reading, while I understand being discouraged, don't give up all hope! I personally know someone that had one interview and matched. It truly only takes one.


Okay, so I got my email around 7:20 am CST. The email contained a link to see Phase II positions and said it would be available at 11 am EST. I did not look at this until the afternoon, so I can't speak to when it actually opened. The sites were listed alphabetically by state. I believe there were around 100 sites (APA-accredited and non-accredited), but can't find the original list of sites, so this may be inaccurate.

The sites I applied to for Phase II were:
UCLA- Semel Institute, Health and Behavior, 1 position
Little Rock VA, Health, 1 position
Institute for Multicultural Counseling and Education Services (in Los Angeles), General, 2 positions
Atlanta VA, General, 1 position
Jesse Brown VA, Crown Point, 1 position
NY Presbyterian/Weill-Cornell, General, 1 position
Alpert Medical of Brown University, MIDAS, 1 position
American Lake/Puget Sound VA, General, 4 positions.
This was a fairly poor to mediocre list in terms of fit. Although I am health-focused, the opportunities and culture at the sites didn't sync up well for the most part. Plus, MIDAS was research-focused, which is not my interest at all. A person in my cohort also didn't match but was child-focused and was able to apply to 22 (!) APA-accredited kid sites that were a fairly good match. There is no cost associated with Phase II applications.

Applying was very similar with using the base application and personalizing a cover letter with no supplemental materials required for the initial application. We had less than 6 days to submit this. Training directors could not access anyone's application during this 6 day window, so there wasn't an advantage for submitting first. The applications were then made available on that 6th day at 11 am EST (i.e. Match Day was on a Friday and Phase II applications were made available to training directors the following Thursday). I checked the policies (http://www.appic.org/Match/FAQs/Training-Directors/Phase-II) and training directors do have the ability to filter applications by criteria. This was particularly obvious because invitations for interview/request for supplementals went out that very same day by about 1 pm EST. Sites do not have to give you any information regarding your status so there is not an expectation of a rejection. I did not receive any interviews but did receive one rejection from the Atlanta VA stating they received 178 applications for 1 position and one waitlist/rejection from the Arkansas VA stating that they extended interviews to their top candidates but would still be ranking me. My cohort mate received 11 phone interviews (eventually matching with her number 1). Phone interviews are "strongly recommended" but I remember there was a SDN post where a person was invited to interview with IMCES and the person said that IMCES required an in-person interview the very next week and would not consider a candidate that wouldn't be able to make it.

Then you do another rank list approximately two weeks after applications were made available with another official Match Day a week after that (mid/late March). After this, you can sign up for something called Post-Match Vacancy where you are on a Greg listserv announcing new positions available with site-chosen deadlines with a first-come advantage. This had quite a few APA spots but about 90% kid-focused. It was actually kind of bizarre though because a couple APA spots (kid-focused) extended their deadlines and then withdrew from Post-Match because they didn't receive any applications. Greg even sent a somewhat scolding email about not giving up, etc. New spots were later added with HRSA grants. Post-Match officially ended October 31, 2014.

:whoa:And now we're all here.

Hope I didn't do information overload! My anxiety is soothed by information so I wanted to be thorough, but I know this isn't the case for everyone.
This was great - thanks! You explained it in a very relatable way and it actually helps me feel less aversive to it. It sounds like really all that needs to be done "from scratch" in those 6 days was writing cover letters, which isn't too terrible.
 
EVERYONE: Has anyone here appplied to Gateway in Illinois and received a notice from them that their site was withdrawing from the match? I did not, and when I went to rank them, they were listed as withdrawn. My training director and I are trying to determine if the people who interviewed there (myself included) were notified at all (which I was not)

THANKS!
 
EVERYONE: Has anyone here appplied to Gateway in Illinois and received a notice from them that their site was withdrawing from the match? I did not, and when I went to rank them, they were listed as withdrawn. My training director and I are trying to determine if the people who interviewed there (myself included) were notified at all (which I was not)

THANKS!


Why not just email the site? I've heard in prior years some sites don't send out the official withdrawal announcement until late on ranking day or even later due to hoping something changes til the last minute.
 
Why not just email the site? I've heard in prior years some sites don't send out the official withdrawal announcement until late on ranking day or even later due to hoping something changes til the last minute.
I've already followed up with them. We're trying to determine how much we'll bring it to APPIC's attention that the site didn't even bother to notify us in some official capacity.
 
I've already followed up with them. We're trying to determine how much we'll bring it to APPIC's attention that the site didn't even bother to notify us in some official capacity.

Oh, I see. The informal resolution piece on APPIC is really easy to do and is encouraged even for the slightest of issues- so even if they told everyone except for you, I would imagine it's worthwhile for them to know to investigate.
 
today is the day. we've cover lettered, and waited, and interviewed, and waited, and now we rank, and have 16 more days of waiting...friends, may the odds be ever in your favor
Hahaha I almost posted this same quote. It's so appropriate.
 
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