2014-2015 DO Average MCAT and cGPA Spreadsheet

[Mad Jack]

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Awesome thanks a bunch. Yea I worked in Maine for a summer and I think I definitely want to end up practicing on the east coast, preferably at or north of the carolinas. Plus I could definitely see myself doing rural med, so UNECOM seems solid for me, who knows though. I will definitely keep it on the list, thanks.

UNECOM loves rural med types, definitely apply. Same goes for WVSOM and a couple of the other Southeastern region schools.

 

[Awesome Sauceome]

I mean money is ridiculously tight. I should get FAP which will help, but even so, every single school is hand selected for a very specific reason. I have been starting to think that I can maybe get away with 10 schools with my stats? That would save me at least $100 (two weeks worth of groceries).
I definitely see myself practicing on the east coast, anywhere near mountains. Without having been exposed too much to rural medicine, it seems like a route that I am very interested in - rural FM. But only time will tell. I am applying to a few mid-west schools just because they are seriously great schools, plus I currently live in the midwest (for wife's schooling), plus the midwest is growing on me. But I think all things considered, I think I would want to eventually work my way back to the east, somewhere along the Appalachian mountains. That is where family is.

As of right now I know one school that I am tempted to take off is ACOM... but it has been probably my lowest "safety" school, so like I guess I am not confident enough to know that I could get into the other 11 schools haha...

 

[Awesome Sauceome]

It is challenging, having not gone through an application cycle, to really gauge exactly where my stats are at/how many schools to apply to. I figure my stats are right about average, so I figure I should apply to an average amount of schools, but I have no clue what that number is haha.

 

[studentp0x]

When in doubt, add extra schools. 12 should be enough with your stats though. Where do you see yourself practicing? Some schools have a bias for students that want to do rural care, others primary care, etc. That might change your list up a bit.

I was under the impression that many students "adapted" their interests to meet the school's mission. If that makes any sense..

 

[user3]

I would say you're on point.

This year has been interesting. If you plotted average stats over time as a candlestick chart there is resistance at 3.6/28 for most established schools (lower GPA/higher MCAT for some schools). When you break that and treat it as a support it goes into the 3.7/30 region which is lower tier allopathic area.

I'm a nosy person so I've been asking acceptance applicants their stats. At places like CCOM, AZCOM, DMU and NOVA you're getting a bunch of these 3.7/30 guys. Heck go into the NOVA section right now and look at the applicants who just received a batch of rejections. Plently of people who would get into MD schools with 1 year of fine tuning their application.

Around this time of year is when they go from "OMM is the best thing since sliced bread" to "I think MD is just a better fit for me."

The 3.6/28 resistance is going to be a difficult barrier.


I would say the turn over might be higher this year.



I don't remember why I quoted you. Sup?



Are you from that region? ROWAN = 88% IS.



3.5/26 and 3.6/28 are 2 different beasts and for a school that hasn't even graduated it's first class to hit 3.6/28 is quite an accomplishment at any point in the cycle.

ACOM, Campbell, and LMU are ~3.5/26. Western U and DMU are 3.6/28.

I'm not sure this will be the case. Competition was definitely a bit higher this year. While lots of low stats got in, people generally got fewer ii's and acceptances than in years past. For example, I was surprised at vinceveigel only getting 9 ii's out of 20+ schools with 3.6-3.7/25 (although I knew this was enough to get in somewhere)

And there are schools passing the 3.6/28 barrier. Last year, DMU posted 3.7/28, CCOM 3.6/29, and Touro-Ca 3.5/30

 

[Mad Jack]

I was under the impression that many students "adapted" their interests to meet the school's mission. If that makes any sense..

Depends on how honest they are. It's much easier to change your school list to fit your interests than it is to BS your interests to make them fit that of the school. Administrators often see right through people lying through their teeth about wanting to do rural care or primary care or whatever during interviews. If you've actually got an interest in these things, however, your interview will go smoothly, as you're expressing a genuine passion that is in alignment with the school's mission.

 

[user3]

Lincoln Memorial University-Debusk College of Osteopathic Medicine (LMU-DCOM)

LMU Grade Point Averages:
Mean Cumulative GPA 3.45
Mean Non-Science GPA 3.56
Mean Science GPA 3.36
Mean MCAT Composite Total 26-30
Regional Bias: OOS friendly, students committed to practice rural primary care
Class size: 243
2014-2015 tuition: $44,140.00

yikes, an 8% tuition hike. not sure what justifies it when they already bring in more money from their massive class size increase not long ago. smh

 

[WesternRedCedar]

Many schools increase their tuition by 5% each year, it really isn't justified, since that is well above inflation. Unless they are actually using the extra money to invest, whcih i doubt, its a cash grab.

 

[Awesome Sauceome]

Many schools increase their tuition by 5% each year, it really isn't justified, since that is well above inflation. Unless they are actually using the extra money to invest, whcih i doubt, its a cash grab.

Im a mild libertarian, but I feel that there has to be some sort of intervention soon on this kind of act (by basically every school in the US), otherwise people are going to stop going to school. Or worse, they will continue to go into school but then a bubble will form because they will have no money afterwards and all the people that are working to go into advanced degrees (and therefore advance our country) will go into irreparable debt.

 

[user3]

Im a mild libertarian, but I feel that there has to be some sort of intervention soon on this kind of act (by basically every school in the US), otherwise people are going to stop going to school. Or worse, they will continue to go into school but then a bubble will form because they will have no money afterwards and all the people that are working to go into advanced degrees (and therefore advance our country) will go into irreparable debt.

5+% tuition hikes and 7+% interest rates... something needs to be done about this debt problem. student loan debt (for medical students, in particular) is set to become a catastrophe, and very soon.

right now about the only thing protecting future physicians from financial hardship is PAYE.

 

[studentp0x]

I would say you're on point.

This year has been interesting. If you plotted average stats over time as a candlestick chart there is resistance at 3.6/28 for most established schools (lower GPA/higher MCAT for some schools). When you break that and treat it as a support it goes into the 3.7/30 region which is lower tier allopathic area.

I'm a nosy person so I've been asking acceptance applicants their stats. At places like CCOM, AZCOM, DMU and NOVA you're getting a bunch of these 3.7/30 guys. Heck go into the NOVA section right now and look at the applicants who just received a batch of rejections. Plently of people who would get into MD schools with 1 year of fine tuning their application.

Around this time of year is when they go from "OMM is the best thing since sliced bread" to "I think MD is just a better fit for me."

The 3.6/28 resistance is going to be a difficult barrier.



I would say the turn over might be higher this year.



I don't remember why I quoted you. Sup?



Are you from that region? ROWAN = 88% IS.



3.5/26 and 3.6/28 are 2 different beasts and for a school that hasn't even graduated it's first class to hit 3.6/28 is quite an accomplishment at any point in the cycle.

ACOM, Campbell, and LMU are ~3.5/26. Western U and DMU are 3.6/28.

So who's getting in, in favour of the guys with 3.6-3.7/28-30 guys at places like nova, azcom, ccom etc? If it's guys in the 3.4-3.5 range (same MCAT), then is cause of their stronger nonacademic profiles?

 

[chizledfrmstone]

5+% tuition hikes and 7+% interest rates... something needs to be done about this debt problem. student loan debt (for medical students, in particular) is set to become a catastrophe, and very soon.

right now about the only thing protecting future physicians from financial hardship is PAYE.

It's just ridiculous these days. Some of these students are very bad at managing money because they have had parents pay for everything.

One of my biggest pet peeves is using the justification of "well you're going to be in $300k debt so what's another $1k for this or that?" After a while things start building up and that $300k can become $350 or $400k. Books, traveling for clerkships, interviews, food, entertainment.

So who's getting in, in favour of the guys with 3.6-3.7/28-30 guys at places like nova, azcom, ccom etc? If it's guys in the 3.4-3.5 range (same MCAT), then is cause of their stronger nonacademic profiles?

I'm sorry, I got a 7 on VR. Can you rephrase this question using crayons?

 

[studentp0x]

It's just ridiculous these days. Some of these students are very bad at managing money because they have had parents pay for everything.

One of my biggest pet peeves is using the justification of "well you're going to be in $300k debt so what's another $1k for this or that?" After a while things start building up and that $300k can become $350 or $400k. Books, traveling for clerkships, interviews, food, entertainment.



I'm sorry, I got a 7 on VR. Can you rephrase this question using crayons?

If the higher stat guys aren't getting in, then is there a known reason as to why people with lower stats are favoured?

 

[darklordzzz]

If the higher stat guys aren't getting in, then is there a known reason as to why people with lower stats are favoured?

1. the school chooses u
2. you choose the school

for example, the school must accept the students that are likely to "accept the offer". If they accept a bunch of people that applied to their school as a back up, at the end, they will end up with less desirable people.

 

[chizledfrmstone]

1. the school chooses u
2. you choose the school

for example, the school must accept the students that are likely to "accept the offer". If they accept a bunch of people that applied to their school as a back up, at the end, they will end up with less desirable people.

The thing is the top DO schools are really pushing into lower tier MD stats now.

This is why I think there will be higher turn over this year.