2016 Canadian match list for IMGS/DOs

[kingston77]

Does anyone know when Carms will post the 2016 match list for international applicants and DO students? Also, I have been looking at previous years match list (2015)... is there a way to find out how many DOs matched in Canada and where? Or were they collectively under "United states medical graduates (USMGs)" along side MDs? I believe in 2015 only ~25 USMGs participated in the Carms match....this seems awfully low compared to the number of Canadian DOs I thought were in U.S.

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[UBC2014]

Does anyone know when Carms will post the 2016 match list for international applicants and DO students? Also, I have been looking at previous years match list (2015)... is there a way to find out how many DOs matched in Canada and where? Or were they collectively under "United states medical graduates (USMGs)" along side MDs? I believe in 2015 only ~25 USMGs participated in the Carms match....this seems awfully low compared to the number of Canadian DOs I thought were in U.S.

The link is posted on PM101 in the american sub forum. The 2016 class focused on the US match. 1 FM match in Canada. Rest all to the US. Given that the aoa match is before carms, many didn't want to take the risk of being unmatched.

 

[UBC2014]

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Here is the 2016 Canadian's Studying at USDO program match lists, simplified.

30 people participated in the match. Of the 28 so far that have responded, all of them matched. The 2 remaining people have yet to be found I guess (this is all user gathered through COMSA peers.) There were a few people on top of the 30, who didn't participate in the match - either because of LOAs due to family reasons, thus delayed graduation, or 1-2 who had test problems that needed to fix some stuff. 2 people on top of the 30 were also dual-citizens, and obviously matched but it didn't make sense to include them...since well they have US citizenship attending US schools...so irrelevant for Canadians.

Strong showing. Downsides yes, but still great.

See this thread on PM101 for commentaries that i'd rather not re-type here, go read if you're interested: http://forums.premed101.com/index.php?/topic/89767-match-results-for-canadian-dos-class-of-2016/

Really good US matches, and many H1Bs.

 

[kingston77]

The link is posted on PM101 in the american sub forum. The 2016 class focused on the US match. 1 FM match in Canada. Rest all to the US. Given that the aoa match is before carms, many didn't want to take the risk of being unmatched.

It would be great to know how many actually participated in the Carms match. Only 1 DO match to Canada is a depressing number for those that would like to do residency in Canada, especially compared to the ~100 IMGs that matched into Canadian residences. I am not sure if I am missing something here or what. I understand the AOA match is before carms, but I'm sure there were individuals focusing on only ACGME matches as well (which coincide with carms?).

 

[UBC2014]

It would be great to know how many actually participated in the Carms match. Only 1 DO match to Canada is a depressing number for those that would like to do residency in Canada, especially compared to the ~100 IMGs that matched into Canadian residences. I am not sure if I am missing something here or what. I understand the AOA match is before carms, but I'm sure there were individuals focusing on only ACGME matches as well (which coincide with carms?).

The aoa match includes dually accredited acgme/aoa programs. Which most AOA matches were, except the 2 ENT plastic surgery matches and 1-2 FM matches.

The other matched were nrmp only, but again same thing. The people who matched rad onc, radiology, anesthesia and strong IM programs didn't want to risk Canada screweing them over. The rad onc match was h1b at Cleveland clinic...so no one would turn that potential down for Canada with return of service in some rural area etc.

I can ask and find out how many even applied carms, but from what I understand it wasn't very many. If you want to focus on Canada its doable, no different than other IMGs...but when you have better US options and just want to get things over with...your mind changes in med school.

The only other ones I personally know who applied an interviewed carms were for FM and IM. But all 4 of them opted for the AOA match for dual accredited programs in their preferred programs/locations. Knowing a month sooner you are matched was a big relief for them I'm sure.

 

[UBC2014]

The 2017 class may paint a bigger picture. Slightly larger intake and probably more focused on Canada. As mentioned in the ABP thread, there were lots of changes in Canada in 2015/2016...and for DOs Canada put them into the IMG stream(except BC which kept them CMG) for the 2016 class...so I'm sure many were disillusioned and took that as a "**** you dont steal our jobs" and didn't bother with carms at all for the IMG stream

 

[dushash]

Hi guys, I'm in DO class of 2020 just starting, but looking to return to Canada eventually and I was just wondering if you guys can shed some light to some questions. Sorry if some of them (or all) will seem silly and newbie-ish:
1. Anyone works in US and lives in Canada, for example Hospital in Buffalo, US (work) and Niagra Falls or Hamilton, ON, Canada (home) - as it seems drive-able everyday? I'm trying to "return to my family in Canada" faster - that's why this option looks good for me, but I obviously don't know all caveats
2. For DOs to match to IM in Canada - what exams I need to have passed before matching? Is it easily doable?
3. Is it easy to get sponsored by Hospital for H1b visa during residency? What I mean is - will Hospitals consider that I'm Canadian as a non-issue or they try to get only US residents preferably (of course, given that I'm good match in terms of scores etc)?
4. Do I need to obtain statement of need for IM residency and is it easily given for IM?
5. Am I right that I'll need 3 years of IM residency and +1 year of residency/fellowship to get 4 years total of residency for Canadian IM path comeback?
6. What exams I'll need to pass after I finally get 4 years of IM residency in US, to return to Canada ad be able to work as an Internist in Canada? Any rural area agreement I'll need to sign?
Thank you and I appreciate your answers!

 

[ConfusedChemist]

Hi guys, I'm in DO class of 2020 just starting, but looking to return to Canada eventually and I was just wondering if you guys can shed some light to some questions. Sorry if some of them (or all) will seem silly and newbie-ish:
1. Anyone works in US and lives in Canada, for example Hospital in Buffalo, US (work) and Niagra Falls or Hamilton, ON, Canada (home) - as it seems drive-able everyday? I'm trying to "return to my family in Canada" faster - that's why this option looks good for me, but I obviously don't know all caveats
2. For DOs to match to IM in Canada - what exams I need to have passed before matching? Is it easily doable?
3. Is it easy to get sponsored by Hospital for H1b visa during residency? What I mean is - will Hospitals consider that I'm Canadian as a non-issue or they try to get only US residents preferably (of course, given that I'm good match in terms of scores etc)?
4. Do I need to obtain statement of need for IM residency and is it easily given for IM?
5. Am I right that I'll need 3 years of IM residency and +1 year of residency/fellowship to get 4 years total of residency for Canadian IM path comeback?
6. What exams I'll need to pass after I finally get 4 years of IM residency in US, to return to Canada ad be able to work as an Internist in Canada? Any rural area agreement I'll need to sign?
Thank you and I appreciate your answers!

No, HB1 is not easy to get. Of course it will be a factor (negative) that you are Canadian. Most people get J1 instead which means you need a Statement of Need (which are strictly limited by health Canada, for everything). You also need to return to Canada for 2 years once it expires.

I know there are issues with IM training and equivilancy, but I'm accepted to ON so I stopped looking at this.

Really, these are major issues and you should be fully aware of them before you leave Canada

 

[UBC2014]

Hi guys, I'm in DO class of 2020 just starting, but looking to return to Canada eventually and I was just wondering if you guys can shed some light to some questions. Sorry if some of them (or all) will seem silly and newbie-ish:
1. Anyone works in US and lives in Canada, for example Hospital in Buffalo, US (work) and Niagra Falls or Hamilton, ON, Canada (home) - as it seems drive-able everyday? I'm trying to "return to my family in Canada" faster - that's why this option looks good for me, but I obviously don't know all caveats

Yes many end up doing that, even for attending medical school(live in canada and commute a few times a week to MSU for example).

2. For DOs to match to IM in Canada - what exams I need to have passed before matching? Is it easily doable?

Same exams as any other IMG, MCCEE and NAC OSCE. You need to do more than just pass, you need to do WELL.

3. Is it easy to get sponsored by Hospital for H1b visa during residency? What I mean is - will Hospitals consider that I'm Canadian as a non-issue or they try to get only US residents preferably (of course, given that I'm good match in terms of scores etc)?

About half of the Canadian USDOs in the 2016 match got H1Bs. As AMGs(american medical graduates), you are much more likely to get on the H1B pathway than IMGs, since you have F1-OPTI to rely on for PGY1. It is very doable. Some programs may not sponsor, but many do.
Hospitals that offer H1B, want the best candidate, the money is not an issue. Even for those where it is an issue, they will do their best, and they have over 1 year to sort it out, since you can go on F1-OPTI for PGY1.

4. Do I need to obtain statement of need for IM residency and is it easily given for IM?

This is very basic reading you should know. Go to the Health Canada, Statement of Need Website. If you want to do residency on J1 Visa, you will need a Statement of Need for ANY Residency. All residencies fields now have limits/quotas, some have a quota of 0 meaning you can NOT do it on a j1 visa.

5. Am I right that I'll need 3 years of IM residency and +1 year of residency/fellowship to get 4 years total of residency for Canadian IM path comeback?

Partially right, it again, depends on if you do residency on J1 or H1B. Now on, for J1 IM residents, you must do the +1 year, and return to canada and get licensed in GIM(General Internal Medicine), before you can go back to the US to do subspecialty training.
6. What exams I'll need to pass after I finally get 4 years of IM residency in US, to return to Canada ad be able to work as an Internist in Canada? Any rural area agreement I'll need to sign?
Thank you and I appreciate your answers!

Overall, you need to sit down and do some research by reading the primary sources: Health Canada, RCPSC, and provincial ministries of health etc. NRMP, CaRMS etc.

 

[UBC2014]

No, HB1 is not easy to get. Of course it will be a factor (negative) that you are Canadian. Most people get J1 instead which means you need a Statement of Need (which are strictly limited by health Canada, for everything). You also need to return to Canada for 2 years once it expires.

I know there are issues with IM training and equivilancy, but I'm accepted to ON so I stopped looking at this.

Really, these are major issues and you should be fully aware of them before you leave Canada

Again, please do not make blanket statements if you have not actually participated in the match or talked to students on the ground. Half of the USDOs in the 2016 match got H1B, and most said it was a non-issue. If Health Canada decided to limit it further for J1/SON, then im sure many of those who opted for J1 would have tried harder for H1B and maybe looked at alternative residencies, maybe not on the top of their list etc.

I agree though, that the OP needs to do more research.

 

[dushash]

Again, please do not make blanket statements if you have not actually participated in the match or talked to students on the ground. Half of the USDOs in the 2016 match got H1B, and most said it was a non-issue. If Health Canada decided to limit it further for J1/SON, then im sure many of those who opted for J1 would have tried harder for H1B and maybe looked at alternative residencies, maybe not on the top of their list etc.

I agree though, that the OP needs to do more research.

Thanks UBC2014! I'll do my research. It's good to hear that essentially H1B is not as big of an obstacle and is definitely doable. Just one more question please: for J1 path it's +1 year of IM to come back to Canada and be able to work in GeneralIM, but for H1B is it different? The reason I ask is that I've heard that Canada is moving to 5 years of IM residency - if that is true - it will then require +2 years for me no?