2022-2023 Pain Fellowship Fellowship Application Thread

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Its been awhile since ive done apps but a few quick questions if someone can help me. Is the ABSITE document our ITE that they request is uploaded or our basic? also who uploads those because i dont see an option for us to upload them
 
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Dr.Jekyll75 said:
Its been awhile since ive done apps but a few quick questions if someone can help me. Is the ABSITE document our ITE that they request is uploaded or our basic? also who uploads those because i dont see an option for us to upload them
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No. ABSITE is a surgical in-training exam. Programs usually dont ask for your ITE (except when they do and you email it to their coordinator).
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
No. ABSITE is a surgical in-training exam. Programs usually dont ask for your ITE (except when they do and you email it to their coordinator).
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That’s good to know . My program is giving me zero guidance right now. Since i have your attention if we get a letter from a pain doc that’s not the head of the department or chair do we just put none of these in LOR designation?
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
Its been awhile since ive done apps but a few quick questions if someone can help me. Is the ABSITE document our ITE that they request is uploaded or our basic? also who uploads those because i dont see an option for us to upload them
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I've been told by upperclassmen that some programs will email directly asking for the ITE and basic to be emailed to them.

Looking at ERAS document upload page, it says "ABSITE (surgery only)" which leads me to believe the ITEs will be rejected if uploaded there.

Dr.Jekyll75 said:
That’s good to know . My program is giving me zero guidance right now. Since i have your attention if we get a letter from a pain doc that’s not the head of the department or chair do we just put none of these in LOR designation?
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Yeah, that's what I've done with my first letter so far.
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
Its been awhile since ive done apps but a few quick questions if someone can help me. Is the ABSITE document our ITE that they request is uploaded or our basic? also who uploads those because i dont see an option for us to upload them
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Stuff like that is all done via personal email. At some point have a good pdf copy of your ITEs and basic pass sheet. Other items I submitted at some point: medical school diploma & ACLS/BLS cards.
 
apr27 said:
Stuff like that is all done via personal email. At some point have a good pdf copy of your ITEs and basic pass sheet. Other items I submitted at some point: medical school diploma & ACLS/BLS cards.
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That’s a good idea. Just getting my mspe and transcripts is turning out to be a pain … no pun intended
 
Side note, when you guys are putting in research, what are QI projects classified as ? or even better if you made a hospital wide protocol ? how would one put that in eras as research? Some of my seniors only put in published work and left out projects that they had just started on and put it those in their CVs not in the pub area
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
Side note, when you guys are putting in research, what are QI projects classified as ? or even better if you made a hospital wide protocol ? how would one put that in eras as research? Some of my seniors only put in published work and left out projects that they had just started on and put it those in their CVs not in the pub area
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I'm listing my QI project from PGY-1/2 under volunteer section. But I can see the case for including it in research section. I have plenty prior research, so I didnt want to risk one small addition rubbing the reviewers the wrong way.

I'm not including any recently started projects as there's nothing tangible yet and it would be a reaaaally bad look if I list the project on ERAS and then not follow through with finishing the project.
 
WhatLamina said:
I'm listing my QI project from PGY-1/2 under volunteer section. But I can see the case for including it in research section. I have plenty prior research, so I didnt want to risk one small addition rubbing the reviewers the wrong way.

I'm not including any recently started projects as there's nothing tangible yet and it would be a reaaaally bad look if I list the project on ERAS and then not follow through with finishing the project.
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You can always smoothly incorporate it into your "tell me about yourself" spiel before you, of course, talk about your interests in travel, fitness, and cooking.
 
Hey all! Going through this fellowship app first time. Do we need to reach out to our med schools for MS transcripts and MSPE?? Also does my program have to submit anything?
 
gucciaka2pac said:
Hey all! Going through this fellowship app first time. Do we need to reach out to our med schools for MS transcripts and MSPE?? Also does my program have to submit anything?
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Nah, all that should still be on your account from applying to residency (at least for me). Your program/attendings just need to get you whatever supporting documentation you need (LoRs, scores, etc...)
 
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apr27 said:
Nah, all that should still be on your account from applying to residency (at least for me). Your program/attendings just need to get you whatever supporting documentation you need (LoRs, scores, etc...)
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Weird my MSPE, MS transcripts, and photo are but uploaded and it won’t give me an option to upload them. Just says actions and under that it says assign but no option to upload
 
Are we able to apply without having all of our LORs in? The people I asked may take a while to get my letters in
 
Feels like med school all over again. It's been a month and I'm still waiting on 3/4 letter writers.
 
LineEmTubeEm said:
This is such a drawn out process - you can apply by 11/17, programs can start reviewing by 12/1, but you don't get interview invites until spring or summer? Is there any point in applying early like there was in residency or just as long as you get your app in sometime in the winter?
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I think it's good to get your app done asap just to ease any concerns about "being early" and for the sake of just getting it done. However, I think it's reasonable to believe that a fair amount of programs don't review apps until April/May. That being said, there are definitely programs that review them sooner, and you can use the google spreadsheet for reference, and I don't think that's insignificant.
 
Does anyone have a list of non anesthesia friendly programs?
 
Bummed that interviews are likely gonna be virtual again this year. Here comes everyone applying to programs that they’d never travel for an interview to, myself included.
 
lmsanscafe said:
Bummed that interviews are likely gonna be virtual again this year. Here comes everyone applying to programs that they’d never travel for an interview to, myself included.
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I don’t think so. Cuz now people can’t see how good
Or bad the facility is. So they will stick to places they want to travel or live at
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
I don’t think so. Cuz now people can’t see how good
Or bad the facility is. So they will stick to places they want to travel or live at
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I agree. I’m only applying to places I can see myself living. This isn’t residency where my dream is dependent on match.
 
Finally got around to submitting today. Good luck everyone!
 
if we match outside of The Match we don't have to submit our applications and go through the whole rigamarole of waiting for Oct to officially match ... correct?
 
drnk12 said:
if we match outside of The Match we don't have to submit our applications and go through the whole rigamarole of waiting for Oct to officially match ... correct?
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If you sign an offer letter outside of the match, you don't submit a rank list to NRMP but you should double check with the program to make sure you're not missing anything. Some programs might match outside of The Match but still force you to go through it.
 
mrrogers said:
When will programs start reviewing applications this year?
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probably reviewing now but historically doesnt look like they sent much if any in jan. Little drips here and there in feb, march seems like prime time though
 
You guys will all do fine getting a spot, pain job market is bad and anesthesia job market is good, so if the past couple years are an indication, there will be many empty spots after the match for everyone to choose from!
 
Peterluger said:
You guys will all do fine getting a spot, pain job market is bad and anesthesia job market is good, so if the past couple years are an indication, there will be many empty spots after the match for everyone to choose from!
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hmm dont you write this pretty often ? how was the job outlook after you finished ?
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
hmm dont you write this pretty often ? how was the job outlook after you finished ?
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Well, i ended up taking a combination anesthesia and pain job. There are very few FAIR paying jobs for 100% pain in good geographic areas.

The hours are ok in the job i took. I dont have to take anesthesia call. The starting salary is lower than if i just did 100% anesthesia, but long term at least in principle, i may be able to make more because of production bonuses. Its possible, but not likely. For now i dont make more than general anesthesiologists. And the other part is to consider the opportunity cost of doing a fellowship.
Good luck, but if your goal is money-oriented, and assuming you’re not planning on moving to the middle of nowhere to practice pain, you’re better off with general anesthesia for many reasons
 
Peterluger said:
Well, i ended up taking a combination anesthesia and pain job. There are very few FAIR paying jobs for 100% pain in good geographic areas.

The hours are ok in the job i took. I dont have to take anesthesia call. The starting salary is lower than if i just did 100% anesthesia, but long term at least in principle, i may be able to make more because of production bonuses. Its possible, but not likely. For now i dont make more than general anesthesiologists. And the other part is to consider the opportunity cost of doing a fellowship.
Good luck, but if your goal is money-oriented, and assuming you’re not planning on moving to the middle of nowhere to practice pain, you’re better off with general anesthesia for many reasons
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Hmm i see your point, very valid but if everything was about money at this point most people would do CTS.
 
WhatLamina said:
The application cycle is already feeling like it's been an eternity lol.
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ive had nothing but radio silence just like many... hopefully soon. Also, the spreadsheet is getting wild. people straight out publically calling out other applicants .
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
ive had nothing but radio silence just like many... hopefully soon. Also, the spreadsheet is getting wild. people straight out publically calling out other applicants .
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Yeah, the chat was getting way of out of hand. I hit the pause button to let people cool down. Hopefully it returns to the productive discussions that were happening before this week.
 
WhatLamina said:
Yeah, the chat was getting way of out of hand. I hit the pause button to let people cool down. Hopefully it returns to the productive discussions that were happening before this week.
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I've been following along the excel sheet to help answer questions as a matched-applicant from last cycle and the q&a chat this year is a different beast.
 
Applying this year. Still radio silence despite so many programs allegedly sending invites. Can’t trust the excel sheet after all of the toxicity in chat. Good luck to those that deserve it.
 
Hey all random question. With the December cycle fellowships my understanding is applicant list deadline is the end of May, and results come out in October, correct? Also, when is the deadline for the rank list of the programs themselves? I will be in the NEXT cycle and am trying to plan out the year to get as much facetime with PD's at conferences and such prior to their submission deadline.
 
Is there an average number of procedures, or types of procedures, we should be shooting for in fellowship? For example, if a fellow in a program averages less than [fill in the blank] procedures in the year, should we, as applicants, be wary of such a program? Thanks!
 
anyone heard back about II this cycle yet? awfully quiet
 
also if anyone wouldnt mind posting the excel sheet for 2023-2024 cycle, that'd be great!
 
apparently Rush gives out more interview invitations than there are spots? Anyone know more about this?
 
hiyaman said:
Oh do you mean they don't guarantee an interview invite to equal an interview spot? I.e. you have to respond fast to get it? In that case I misunderstood.
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Yeah I figured they wouldn’t “over book” their interview spots, but hey maybe I’m naive.
 
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