2025 Tax Cuts

[BLADEMDA]

The House narrowly passed a resolution calling for 4.0-4.5 trillion in Tax cuts over the next ten years as long as they cut spending by 1.5 Trillion. I would have preferred a bill which raised taxes slightly and cut spending so the deficit went down not up. They also increased the debt limit by 4 trillion. I foresee a future in just 4 years where the Dems raise taxes massively but the deficit still remains high.

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[aneftp]

Did they talk about 100% bonus deprecation coming back? I just tried to google it

 

[linkin06]

did you see where the offsetting cuts will come from?

"The budget resolution itself is silent on whether Congress cuts Medicaid, which provides health coverage to 72 million poor and disabled Americans. But it instructs the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which has jurisdiction over the program, to cut spending by $880 billion over the next decade."

"Even if the committee cuts everything that’s not health care to $0, it will still be more than $600 billion short."

What Can House Republicans Cut Instead of Medicaid? Not Much.

The math of the G.O.P.’s goals makes the move almost unavoidable.

www.nytimes.com

so...cut from Medicaid, medicare, and/or CHIP to give tax cuts to the rich. ok...

 

[chessknt]

Incredible that the deficit doesnt matter again. Cutting Medicaid to give tax cuts to the wealthiest people is truly disgusting.

 

[aneftp]

Incredible that the deficit doesnt matter again. Cutting Medicaid to give tax cuts to the wealthiest people is truly disgusting.

I hate to be a harsh critic but why are more and more people on Medicaid these days?

The ACA didn’t do anything but put more on Medicaid and didn’t exactly put more paying customers on the exchanges (even with subsidies). It’s because the exchanges have become essentially cobra with non sustainable healthcare costs unless you get a subsidy

We need to get more people off Medicaid. Not on it.

Roughly 20-25% of our nations population is on the free stuff. It’s getting worst and worst each year.

We need to find solutions to Medicaid not keep expanding it. We will soon be a welfare state. And taxing the rich won’t solve the Medicaid problem. And we can’t blame it on the aging population since most of the Medicaid increased is due to under age 65 adults being put on it as well as more and more children.

 

[chessknt]

I hate to be a harsh critic but why are more and more people on Medicaid these days?

The ACA didn’t do anything but put more on Medicaid and didn’t exactly put more paying customers on the exchanges (even with subsidies). It’s because the exchanges have become essentially cobra with non sustainable healthcare costs unless you get a subsidy

We need to get more people off Medicaid. Not on it.

Roughly 20-25% of our nations population is on the free stuff. It’s getting worst and worst each year.

We need to find solutions to Medicaid not keep expanding it. We will soon be a welfare state. And taxing the rich won’t solve the Medicaid problem. And we can’t blame it on the aging population since most of the Medicaid increased is due to under age 65 adults being put on it as well as more and more children.

Cutting funding to Medicaid isn't a solution to this 'problem'. Why didn't they cut social security too instead of granting tax exemptions to it if we are trying to reduce welfare? It is delusional to think that killing Medicaid is going to reduce medical expenses--people will just present with end stage disease in its most expensive form instead and emtala will put the hospitals under.

 

[pgg]

The House narrowly passed a resolution calling for 4.0-4.5 trillion in Tax cuts over the next ten years as long as they cut spending by 1.5 Trillion. I would have preferred a bill which raised taxes slightly and cut spending so the deficit went down not up. They also increased the debt limit by 4 trillion. I foresee a future in just 4 years where the Dems raise taxes massively but the deficit still remains high.

You're getting what you voted for.

 

[ASA6]

So can I start paying myself overtime?

 

[cchoukal]

I hate to be a harsh critic but why are more and more people on Medicaid these days?

The ACA didn’t do anything but put more on Medicaid and didn’t exactly put more paying customers on the exchanges (even with subsidies). It’s because the exchanges have become essentially cobra with non sustainable healthcare costs unless you get a subsidy

We need to get more people off Medicaid. Not on it.

Roughly 20-25% of our nations population is on the free stuff. It’s getting worst and worst each year.

We need to find solutions to Medicaid not keep expanding it. We will soon be a welfare state. And taxing the rich won’t solve the Medicaid problem. And we can’t blame it on the aging population since most of the Medicaid increased is due to under age 65 adults being put on it as well as more and more children.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with increasing income concentration for the wealthiest, and companies getting around having full-time employees in favor of contractors, split-shift workers, and scheduling people just under 32 hours a week or whatever the cutoff is for benefits...

 

[Southpaw]

you people saying ‘teach a man to fish’ or ‘get more people off Medicaid’ are ignoring a massive sun-sized glaring problem in this country. The wealthy are getting uber wealthy off the working class. Tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of the poor will exacerbate this problem. The uber wealthy also control the flow of information in this country.

We are in the year of our Lord 2025. We still have unemployed people and we still have poor people. Across the world, we have A LOT of them. This will never change. And yet in the US unemployment is low. People are working. The jobs are just ****. Fewer and fewer jobs every year are offering reasonable salaries that can build and sustain a middle class and fewer and fewer jobs are offering any reasonable benefits. Forget about retirement (pensions they gone poof).

What do you all WANT this country to look like? Growing disparity between the rich and the poor (where we are headed and exactly what tax cuts for the wealthy while raising the debt ceiling gives us)? Why not a sustainable healthy middle class? Why not decent jobs with decent benefits? Why not make college affordable? Why not encourage trade schools, owning your own electrical/plumbing business/HVAC, etc.?

This fellating Elon DOGE ‘own the libs’ crap just randomnly cutting jobs and firing people, giving tax cuts to the wealthy at the expense of the poor while raising the debt ceiling, all seems like a sure fire way to continue the ruin of what was once a great country.

Don’t trust me though. Tune in today on state media where the blind masses will be further led to believe Biden killed another billion chickens, started a measles outbreak (blame the vaccines!) in Tx, and of course it’s still Biden causing inflation to spike.

 

[MirrorTodd]

you people saying ‘teach a man to fish’ or ‘get more people off Medicaid’ are ignoring a massive sun-sized glaring problem in this country. The wealthy are getting uber wealthy off the working class. Tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of the poor will exacerbate this problem. The uber wealthy also control the flow of information in this country.

We are in the year of our Lord 2025. We still have unemployed people and we still have poor people. Across the world, we have A LOT of them. This will never change. And yet in the US unemployment is low. People are working. The jobs are just ****. Fewer and fewer jobs every year are offering reasonable salaries that can build and sustain a middle class and fewer and fewer jobs are offering any reasonable benefits. Forget about retirement (pensions they gone poof).

What do you all WANT this country to look like? Growing disparity between the rich and the poor (where we are headed and exactly what tax cuts for the wealthy while raising the debt ceiling gives us)? Why not a sustainable healthy middle class? Why not decent jobs with decent benefits? Why not make college affordable? Why not encourage trade schools, owning your own electrical/plumbing business/HVAC, etc.?

This fellating Elon DOGE ‘own the libs’ crap just randomnly cutting jobs and firing people, giving tax cuts to the wealthy at the expense of the poor while raising the debt ceiling, all seems like a sure fire way to continue the ruin of what was once a great country.

Don’t trust me though. Tune in today on state media where the blind masses will be further led to believe Biden killed another billion chickens, started a measles outbreak (blame the vaccines!) in Tx, and of course it’s still Biden causing inflation to spike.

For all of their hand wringing, I would argue that the conservatives on this board (and likely a great many people who aren’t conservative too) don’t want the system to actually change. That’s pretty much what conservative means by definition. They are all holding on to the hope that they can be billionaires too. That they will “make it” and won’t have to live like a pleb anymore, they are also so scared of losing what they already have that they are cheering for said billionaires collecting more wealth. And then have the audacity to claim liberals, who are more than ok with paying higher taxes if it means a better quality of life for everyone, are the selfish ones.

*cue conservatives claiming they just don’t want to see all the “fraud” while the richest guy in the world bought the US government for 200 million dollars.

 

[sevoflurane]

you people saying ‘teach a man to fish’ or ‘get more people off Medicaid’ are ignoring a massive sun-sized glaring problem in this country. The wealthy are getting uber wealthy off the working class. Tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of the poor will exacerbate this problem. The uber wealthy also control the flow of information in this country.

We are in the year of our Lord 2025. We still have unemployed people and we still have poor people. Across the world, we have A LOT of them. This will never change. And yet in the US unemployment is low. People are working. The jobs are just ****. Fewer and fewer jobs every year are offering reasonable salaries that can build and sustain a middle class and fewer and fewer jobs are offering any reasonable benefits. Forget about retirement (pensions they gone poof).

What do you all WANT this country to look like? Growing disparity between the rich and the poor (where we are headed and exactly what tax cuts for the wealthy while raising the debt ceiling gives us)? Why not a sustainable healthy middle class? Why not decent jobs with decent benefits? Why not make college affordable? Why not encourage trade schools, owning your own electrical/plumbing business/HVAC, etc.?

This fellating Elon DOGE ‘own the libs’ crap just randomnly cutting jobs and firing people, giving tax cuts to the wealthy at the expense of the poor while raising the debt ceiling, all seems like a sure fire way to continue the ruin of what was once a great country.

Don’t trust me though. Tune in today on state media where the blind masses will be further led to believe Biden killed another billion chickens, started a measles outbreak (blame the vaccines!) in Tx, and of course it’s still Biden causing inflation to spike.

I find it repulsing that Trump called Zelensky a dictator and instigator of the war.

Equally disgusted at the UN resolution.

“US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity - voting the same way as Russia and countries including North Korea and Belarus at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in New York”
China abstained from opposing the resolution. Seemed moderate compared to our stance.

What is happening to this great country is unlike anything I have ever seen.

 

[PainDrain]

If you want to understand what is happening, where it is coming from, and where they intend to go with it read this. This man is the philosophical architect of some of this nonsense.

Curtis Yarvin Says Democracy Is Done. Powerful Conservatives Are Listening.

The once-fringe writer has long argued for an American monarchy. His ideas have found an audience in the incoming administration and Silicon Valley.

www.nytimes.com

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

I hate to be a harsh critic but why are more and more people on Medicaid these days?

The ACA didn’t do anything but put more on Medicaid and didn’t exactly put more paying customers on the exchanges (even with subsidies). It’s because the exchanges have become essentially cobra with non sustainable healthcare costs unless you get a subsidy

We need to get more people off Medicaid. Not on it.

Roughly 20-25% of our nations population is on the free stuff. It’s getting worst and worst each year.

We need to find solutions to Medicaid not keep expanding it. We will soon be a welfare state. And taxing the rich won’t solve the Medicaid problem. And we can’t blame it on the aging population since most of the Medicaid increased is due to under age 65 adults being put on it as well as more and more children.

Haha and you think this is a problem somehow? That "more and more children" have health insurance?
Holy ****.

How exactly do you propose that you "get people off Medicaid"? Onto what alternative exactly chief? You do realize there are plenty of people who actually work and can't qualify for employer based health insurance or who are intentionally kept "part time" so they can't get benefits?

I mean if your solution is people go without health insurance, then just put it out there. I will literally directly benefit from these tax cuts extending to the tune of probably 10s of thousands of dollars a year in additional deductible income due to the pass through deduction and I still think it's gross.

 

[aneftp]

For all of their hand wringing, I would argue that the conservatives on this board (and likely a great many people who aren’t conservative too) don’t want the system to actually change. That’s pretty much what conservative means by definition. They are all holding on to the hope that they can be billionaires too. That they will “make it” and won’t have to live like a pleb anymore, they are also so scared of losing what they already have that they are cheering for said billionaires collecting more wealth. And then have the audacity to claim liberals, who are more than ok with paying higher taxes if it means a better quality of life for everyone, are the selfish ones.

*cue conservatives claiming they just don’t want to see all the “fraud” while the richest guy in the world bought the US government for 200 million dollars.

Pelosi, Obama, Harry Reid had close to completely control of the USA. They don't want to change the tax laws. Obama said to get rid of the bush 43 era tax cuts. What did he do? He kept it for 99% of people. Do you really think the rich get affected by any of this? No because they don't have earned income.

Don't let the Dems off the hook on this. This game by the Dems when they are in control. They have zero incentive to change the tax laws for the rich.

Pelosi and Diane Feinstein are/were loaded and most of their wealth gains is through the very same tax structure they themselves do not want to get rid of.

 

[nimbus]

Cutting funding to Medicaid isn't a solution to this 'problem'. Why didn't they cut social security too instead of granting tax exemptions to it if we are trying to reduce welfare? It is delusional to think that killing Medicaid is going to reduce medical expenses--people will just present with end stage disease in its most expensive form instead and emtala will put the hospitals under.

Agree. If a few wealthy people enroll in Obamacare, it’s a problem. But multimillionaires and billionaires all collect social security and use Medicare. This form of welfare for the rich is untouchable.

 

[aneftp]

Haha and you think this is a problem somehow? That "more and more children" have health insurance?
Holy ****.

How exactly do you propose that you "get people off Medicaid"? Onto what alternative exactly chief? You do realize there are plenty of people who actually work and can't qualify for employer based health insurance or who are intentionally kept "part time" so they can't get benefits?

I mean if your solution is people go without health insurance, then just put it out there. I will literally directly benefit from these tax cuts extending to the tune of probably 10s of thousands of dollars a year in additional deductible income due to the pass through deduction and I still think it's gross.

You put a cap how long they can stay on it. X years. Make them prove they are actively looking for jobs. And if they claim obesity why they can’t work, make them follow a vegan diet plan at weight watchers. Liberals love vegans anyways.

Taxing the wealthy isn’t gonna to do much. Unless you go after investments income, tax free bonds (which would kill muni bonds in blue states exempt from state and federal taxes)

The bond market would collapse in California (that’s why cities could not declare bankruptcy during the financial crisis) if you start taxing them.

The lost tax revenue from taxing muni bonds costs the us govt you guess it…1.5 trillion over 10 years as well. But no one wants to touch that. It would destroy faith in these tax advantaged accounts for the rich as well as the cities that need to raise money for projects.

This is just one of many muni bonds fiasco. It’s just one of the largest guaranteed public projects a 500 million dollar investment with a 3 billion dollar return most of it is tax free or whatever tax shifting the bond holders can do

https://www.barrons.com/articles/BL-INCOMB-1834

There is no way the city of Miami and county can declare bankruptcy on this deal

There are similar deals with municipal bonds everywhere just not this large but I’m just using this example.

 

[ASA6]

You put a cap how long they can stay on it. X years. Make them prove they are actively looking for jobs. And if they claim obesity why they can’t work, make them follow a vegan diet plan at weight watchers. Liberals love vegans anyways.

Taxing the wealthy isn’t gonna to do much. Unless you go after investments income, tax free bonds (which would kill muni bonds in blue states exempt from state and federal taxes)

The bond market would collapse in California (that’s why cities could not declare bankruptcy during the financial crisis) if you start taxing them.

The lost tax revenue from taxing muni bonds costs the us govt you guess it…1.5 trillion over 10 years as well. But no one wants to touch that. It would destroy faith in these tax advantaged accounts for the rich as well as the cities that need to raise money for projects.

This is just one of many muni bonds fiasco. It’s just one of the largest guaranteed public projects a 500 million dollar investment with a 3 billion dollar return most of it is tax free or whatever tax shifting the bond holders can do

https://www.barrons.com/articles/BL-INCOMB-1834

There is no way the city of Miami and county can declare bankruptcy on this deal

There are similar deals with municipal bonds everywhere just not this large but I’m just using this example.

What percentage of people on Medicaid do you think aren't working? What percentage do you think are claiming they can't work due to illness/disability/obesity?

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

You put a cap how long they can stay on it. X years. Make them prove they are actively looking for jobs. And if they claim obesity why they can’t work, make them follow a vegan diet plan at weight watchers. Liberals love vegans anyways.

Kids? Prove that the kids can work?

Anyway pretty clear that most adults on Medicaid already work if they can or are otherwise full time caregivers for kids. You're telling me a parent with a 2 year old should have to find childcare to work for 20 hours a week (the two "work requirement" states require 80 hours a month)?

Lets check out Georgia's super successful medicaid work requirement expansion (even they realized this year dooooh maybe we shouldn't make people with little kids have to try to find work for no clear reason)....

Get a job or lose Medicaid? Arkansas and Georgia show it's not that simple.

Arkansas and Georgia both imposed job requirements for Medicaid recipients. Advocates said the programs added red tape and administrative costs.

www.usatoday.com

"The program cost the federal government and Georgia more than $54.7 million by September 2024 – mostly administrative expenses. Less than half that amount – $19.5 million − was spent on health benefits expenses on behalf or enrollees, according to figures provided by GDCH."

 

[aneftp]

What percentage of people on Medicaid do you think aren't working? What percentage do you think are claiming they can't work due to illness/disability/obesity?

Go down the list of most common disability social security claims. That’s where your Medicaid population correlates

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/di_asr/2023/sect01.pdf

Look closely. Only 20% have CVA, or cardiology issues.

Fibromyalgia, back pain (musculoskeletal) account for 40%. Than mental health disorder. It’s fascinating stuff to look at. The Obama administration approved fibromyalgia in 2012 as a reason for social security disability

“SSA published SSR 12-2p, “Evaluation of Fibromyalgia” on July 25, 2012. This Social Security Ruling (SSR), which took effect upon publication, explains our policies for developing evidence to establish that a person has a medically determinable impairment (MDI) of fibromyalgia (FM).”

“Thankfully, on July 25, 2012, the Social Security Administration issued a special Social Security ruling to help you if you suffer from fibromyalgia and need disability benefits. This ruling applies to any adult or child case where fibromyalgia is an alleged impairment. ”

 

[aneftp]

Kids? Prove that the kids can work?

Anyway pretty clear that most adults on Medicaid already work if they can or are otherwise full time caregivers for kids. You're telling me a parent with a 2 year old should have to find childcare to work for 20 hours a week (the two "work requirement" states require 80 hours a month)?

Lets check out Georgia's super successful medicaid work requirement expansion (even they realized this year dooooh maybe we shouldn't make people with little kids have to try to find work for no clear reason)....

Get a job or lose Medicaid? Arkansas and Georgia show it's not that simple.

Arkansas and Georgia both imposed job requirements for Medicaid recipients. Advocates said the programs added red tape and administrative costs.

www.usatoday.com

"The program cost the federal government and Georgia more than $54.7 million by September 2024 – mostly administrative expenses. Less than half that amount – $19.5 million − was spent on health benefits expenses on behalf or enrollees, according to figures provided by GDCH."

Good points! Totally agree and that’s way I applaud trump for getting rid of new irs workers. To lower the administrative burden on USA taxpayers.

Too much admin costs in both the Georgia program and the irs program to combat fraud.

It’s like auditing tax fraud, auditing food stamps fraud, audit healthcare fraud. They all lead to useless spending and catching very little.

 

[ASA6]

Go down the list of most common disability social security claims. That’s where your Medicaid population correlates

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/di_asr/2023/sect01.pdf

Look closely. Only 20% have CVA, or cardiology issues.

Fibromyalgia, back pain (musculoskeletal) account for 40%. Than mental health disorder. It’s fascinating stuff to look at. The Obama administration approved fibromyalgia in 2012 as a reason for social security disability

“SSA published SSR 12-2p, “Evaluation of Fibromyalgia” on July 25, 2012. This Social Security Ruling (SSR), which took effect upon publication, explains our policies for developing evidence to establish that a person has a medically determinable impairment (MDI) of fibromyalgia (FM).”

“Thankfully, on July 25, 2012, the Social Security Administration issued a special Social Security ruling to help you if you suffer from fibromyalgia and need disability benefits. This ruling applies to any adult or child case where fibromyalgia is an alleged impairment. ”

You didn't answer the question. What percentage of people on Medicaid do you think are not working?

 

[aneftp]

You didn't answer the question. What percentage of people on Medicaid do you think are not working?

50% can likely work even at a grocery store or target. They do the math and it’s not worth it for them.

I said 40% plus have fibromyalgia and back pain. You obviously did get my clue.

Only 20% have truly debilitating stroke , diabetes, cad.

The others have mental health issues. Just put them at the Payless factory shoes (or equivalent) with the strippers. And yeah. I worked odd jobs at Payless factory with super weird people along with strippers (they worked there to supplement their income) plus grocery stores. (They even allow u to sit at the grocery’s store checkout lines these days ). In the past I couldn’t sit down.

 

[kidthor]

 

[caligas]

Pelosi, Obama, Harry Reid had close to completely control of the USA. They don't want to change the tax laws. Obama said to get rid of the bush 43 era tax cuts. What did he do? He kept it for 99% of people. Do you really think the rich get affected by any of this? No because they don't have earned income.

Don't let the Dems off the hook on this. This game by the Dems when they are in control. They have zero incentive to change the tax laws for the rich.

Pelosi and Diane Feinstein are/were loaded and most of their wealth gains is through the very same tax structure they themselves do not want to get rid of.

You are correct, Democrats are not fiscally conservative and are not doing anything to prevent a catastrophic debt crisis down the road. Republicans are worse.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

50% can likely work even at a grocery store or target. They do the math and it’s not worth it for them.

I said 40% plus have fibromyalgia and back pain. You obviously did get my clue.

Only 20% have truly debilitating stroke , diabetes, cad.

The others have mental health issues. Just put them at the Payless factory shoes (or equivalent) with the strippers. And yeah. I worked odd jobs at Payless factory with super weird people along with strippers (they worked there to supplement their income) plus grocery stores. (They even allow u to sit at the grocery’s store checkout lines these days ). In the past I couldn’t sit down.

>70% of people on Medicaid ALREADY work. Damn you have no idea what you’re talking about.

You’re as bad as trump with these numbers.

 

[aneftp]

>70% of people on Medicaid ALREADY work. Damn you have no idea what you’re talking about.

You’re as bad as trump with these numbers.

They ain’t working full time bro. Work is all relative.

Less than half even work fulll time. And full time work is this arbitrary 35 hrs.

 

[caligas]

This perspective from MAGA always puzzles me. most MAGA conservatives claim to follow the teachings of Jesus, but then they are seemingly pretty cruel to poor people who need healthcare, children who need healthcare or food, and especially immigrants, all of which is the exact OPPOSITE of what Jesus was always talking about.

Seems kinda fukked up.

 

[caligas]

…Also, ok I get you hate anything Covid but why the fuk are they shutting down the flu vaccine???

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

They ain’t working full time bro. Work is all relative.

Less than half even work fulll time. And full time work is this arbitrary 35 hrs.

Just keeeep changing the goalposts. Even the programs that have work requirements require 20hrs/week.

It’s also not clear what the point is for work requirements for Medicaid. It’s not unemployment or disability. You can’t pay your bills or buy food with Medicaid. It’s not even good health insurance in most states, it reimburses crappy and most places won’t even take it. It’s essentially safety net health insurance. I guess you’d rather people keep showing up to the ED without health insurance at all and force hospitals to eat all those costs?

 

[ASA6]

50% can likely work even at a grocery store or target. They do the math and it’s not worth it for them.

I said 40% plus have fibromyalgia and back pain. You obviously did get my clue.

Only 20% have truly debilitating stroke , diabetes, cad.

The others have mental health issues. Just put them at the Payless factory shoes (or equivalent) with the strippers. And yeah. I worked odd jobs at Payless factory with super weird people along with strippers (they worked there to supplement their income) plus grocery stores. (They even allow u to sit at the grocery’s store checkout lines these days ). In the past I couldn’t sit down.

Why do you keep avoiding answering the question? What percentage of Medicaid recipients do you think are unemployed?

 

[ASA6]

>70% of people on Medicaid ALREADY work. Damn you have no idea what you’re talking about.

You’re as bad as trump with these numbers.

This is what I was getting at that he refuses to answer. The vast majority already work. And then some are retirement age. The idea that people on Medicaid are unemployed is just not correct. Like it's been pointed out elsewhere states that have tried work requirements didn't save any money.

 

[aneftp]

Why do you keep avoiding answering the question? What percentage of Medicaid recipients do you think are unemployed?

20% is the answer of Medicaid working population. And less than half work 35- hrs a week. so 10% of Medicaid population work “full time “

Those are the true FACTS.

 

[caligas]

20% is the answer of Medicaid working population. And less than half work 35- hrs a week. so 10% of Medicaid population work “full time “

Those are the true FACTS.

Do you mean 20% of working population is on Medicaid?

I can’t find a source that has numbers as low as what you quote, some saying over 90% work.

 

[caligas]

One thing to clarify is are we talking about all medicaid recipients including children and elderly, or just working age?

 

[aneftp]

One thing to clarify is are we talking about all medicaid recipients including children and elderly, or just working age?

Everyone can play games with numbers like usc and I arguing over on the other forums

Like usc argues the jump from 10 million on the exchanges to 20 millions implies most or all of
Those numbers means they are newly insured paying customers which is far from the real truth When the real situation is people are merely just shifting from commercial direct paying customs on individual market to exchanges to get the subsidy. But they were never truly uninsured.

People think I jump around. Which I can to make my points known cause some (not all) of you guys don’t understand how numbers can be manipulated to prove any points u want

80 million Americans on Medicaid now. It’s a significant jump form 2014-2024.

26 million adults who “work” full time or part time
Of those 26 million. Only half actually work full time.
That brings it down to 14 million full time working adults on Medicaid. Than bring it down another 20% because those are the part time Medicaid working.

It’s all a numbers game to pump up or deflate numbers to prove anyone’s points.

Than the left will use that 26 million adults number and spin it around to their favor saying it applies only to adults ages 18-65. And not include children and seniors. And completely ignore seniors who get Medicaid around 7-8 million seniors.

It’s all smokes and mirrors when people manipulate numbers.

Just like how nursing staff manipulate on room starts times and room turnover.

 

[ASA6]

Everyone can play games with numbers like usc and I arguing over on the other forums

Like usc argues the jump from 10 million on the exchanges to 20 millions implies most or all of
Those numbers means they are newly insured paying customers which is far from the real truth When the real situation is people are merely just shifting from commercial direct paying customs on individual market to exchanges to get the subsidy. But they were never truly uninsured.

People think I jump around. Which I can to make my points known cause some (not all) of you guys don’t understand how numbers can be manipulated to prove any points u want

80 million Americans on Medicaid now. It’s a significant jump form 2014-2024.

26 million adults who “work” full time or part time
Of those 26 million. Only half actually work full time.
That brings it down to 14 million full time working adults on Medicaid. Than bring it down another 20% because those are the part time Medicaid working.

It’s all a numbers game to pump up or deflate numbers to prove anyone’s points.

Than the left will use that 26 million adults number and spin it around to their favor saying it applies only to adults ages 18-65. And not include children and seniors. And completely ignore seniors who get Medicaid around 7-8 million seniors.

It’s all smokes and mirrors when people manipulate numbers.

Just like how nursing staff manipulate on room starts times and room turnover.

But why would you include children and seniors? Are you implying you want work requirements for children and seniors?

 

[G.A.S Team]

I believe the number is 85 million low-income and disabled people on Medicaid as of 2022. That number has probably skyrocketed after Biden's disastrous presidency. The whole thing needs an audit.

Speaker Johnson spoke about this last night on both CNN and Fox News. The goal is not to remove the single mother with multiple small children. The cuts are more geared towards the single 25-30 year old with a useless college degree that has no desire to find work and prefers to live in the basement of their parent's house. Also illegal immigrants if any are using the program at some of the Blue States.

I am a Christian and I'm a moderate conservative. The idea that advocating for fiscal responsibility and having a sustainable model is against my religious beliefs is outrageous --but a constant argument of the left.

 

[aneftp]

But why would you include children and seniors? Are you implying you want work requirements for children and seniors?

how many age 65 docs still work? A lot. That’s why I include seniors. So many seniors still work even I to age 80 like my mom. She was still kicking it at 130k her last year as a pharmacist. That’s work ethic.

The growth of the ACA has primarily been with Medicaid. 16% in 20

 

[aneftp]

But why would you include children and seniors? Are you implying you want work requirements for children and seniors?

how many age 65 docs still work? A lot. That’s why I include seniors. So many seniors still work even I to age 80 like my mom. She was still kicking it at 130k her last year as a pharmacist. That’s work ethic. But anyways 7-8 million seniors on Medicaid is not some small number That’s why I include seniors. Kids under age 18 work also. 6-7 million as well. Dont assume kids and seniors don’t work.


The growth of the ACA has primarily been with Medicaid. 16% in 21% jump from pre ACA to post ACA. That’s the jump to get people off the uninsured to the insured stats.

The individual market has seen very little growth. Meaning very little new paying customers even with subsidies. 5.4% of total population on individual market pre ACA to 6.2% now on the exchanges. M
If you want to argue the ACA is success enrolling new people. You are correct.

If you want to argue we have more paying customers. Than you are incorrect.

That’s the ACA’s biggest weakness. It has done nothing to change the individual paying market besides jack up the prices to cobra like pricing with less network covered and people go on it who get subsidized don’t care because they aren’t paying full price.

 

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I believe the number is 85 million low-income and disabled people on Medicaid as of 2022. That number has probably skyrocketed after Biden's disastrous presidency. The whole thing needs an audit.

Speaker Johnson spoke about this last night on both CNN and Fox News. The goal is not to remove the single mother with multiple small children. The cuts are more geared towards the single 25-30 year old with a useless college degree that has no desire to find work and prefers to live in the basement of their parent's house. Also illegal immigrants if any are using the program at some of the Blue States.

I am a Christian and I'm a moderate conservative. The idea that advocating for fiscal responsibility and having a sustainable model is against my religious beliefs is outrageous --but a constant argument of the left.

Because your arguing a strawman with a point that shows a severe lack of empathy. That's why people bring your religious beliefs into it. The VAST majority of working age adults on Medicare work. It's just that there are lots of jobs that don't provide health insurance and don't pay enough for people to afford provide insurance.

 

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I believe the number is 85 million low-income and disabled people on Medicaid as of 2022. That number has probably skyrocketed after Biden's disastrous presidency. The whole thing needs an audit.

Speaker Johnson spoke about this last night on both CNN and Fox News. The goal is not to remove the single mother with multiple small children. The cuts are more geared towards the single 25-30 year old with a useless college degree that has no desire to find work and prefers to live in the basement of their parent's house. Also illegal immigrants if any are using the program at some of the Blue States.

I am a Christian and I'm a moderate conservative. The idea that advocating for fiscal responsibility and having a sustainable model is against my religious beliefs is outrageous --but a constant argument of the left.

Good boy, keep eating the **** they’re feeding you so musk can afford a gold toilet on his new yacht. Swallow up a big steaming spoonful of nonexistent problems like “we gotta cut it to get those illegals off”.

The Debate Over Federal Medicaid Cuts: Perspectives of Medicaid Enrollees Who Voted for President Trump and Vice President Harris | KFF

The Republican-led Congress is considering plans to cut Medicaid to help pay for tax cuts, with the House budget resolution targeting $880 billion or more in potential reductions to federal Medicaid spending. To better understand the experiences of Medicaid enrollees and their perceptions of...

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“At the time of the focus groups, most participants had not heard about proposals to reduce federal spending on Medicaid, and while most did not know why the reductions were proposed, some Trump voters suggested they were part of the crackdown on illegal immigration and aimed at removing undocumented immigrants from the program (undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federally-funded Medicaid)“

 

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Because your arguing a strawman with a point that shows a severe lack of empathy. That's why people bring your religious beliefs into it. The VAST majority of working age adults on Medicare work. It's just that there are lots of jobs that don't provide health insurance and don't pay enough for people to afford provide insurance.

Everything is a strawman argument when data can be skewed against any argument.

It’s like me saying the vast majority of people on the individual exchanges already had insurance whether through losing coverage with employer coverage and switching over (to get the subsidy) or moving from direct coverage (no subsidy) on the individual market to the ACA exchanges.

Plus this “lack of empathy “ angle.

I’m merely saying the ACA doesn’t bring new pausing people into the system (Medicaid growth).

The individual market is still bad. Exactly is very bad now that people have to pay cobra like prices. Thus very little growth from 5.4% on non group plans pre ACA ro 6.2% on non group plans in 2023

As for affordable healthcare. It was affordable for the VAST MAJORITY of working adults pre ACA on the individual market. We are talking $100-200/month premiums with $2500 deductible pre ACA for the VAST MAJORITY of working adults.

It’s now become UNAFFORDABLE for the VAST MAJORITY of adults is what you are saying unless it’s given away for free or heavily subsidized.

And that’s the truth.

 

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how many age 65 docs still work? A lot. That’s why I include seniors. So many seniors still work even I to age 80 like my mom. She was still kicking it at 130k her last year as a pharmacist. That’s work ethic.

The growth of the ACA has primarily been with Medicaid. 16% in 20

5 Key Facts About Medicaid Work Requirements | KFF

Work requirements in Medicaid have resurfaced as part of a broader legislative package of potential changes to Medicaid designed to significantly reduce federal Medicaid spending. This brief highlights five key facts about Medicaid work requirements, including the share of Medicaid enrollees who...

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92% of the non disabled on Medicaid are working.

Only about 19% of people over 65 are working.

So you are 0/2

Older Workers Are Growing in Number and Earning Higher Wages

Roughly one-in-five Americans ages 65 and older were employed in 2023 – nearly double the share of those who were working 35 years ago.

www.pewresearch.org

Among adults under age 65 with Medicaid who do not receive benefits from the Social Security disability programs, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI), and who are not also covered by Medicare, 92% were working full or part-time (64%), or not working due to caregiving responsibilities (12%), illness or disability (10%), or school attendance (7%)

 

[UscGhost]

Everything is a strawman argument when data can be skewed against any argument.

It’s like me saying the vast majority of people on the individual exchanges already had insurance whether through losing coverage with employer coverage and switching over (to get the subsidy) or moving from direct coverage (no subsidy) on the individual market to the ACA exchanges.

Plus this “lack of empathy “ angle.

I’m merely saying the ACA doesn’t bring new pausing people into the system (Medicaid growth).

The individual market is still bad. Exactly is very bad now that people have to pay cobra like prices. Thus very little growth from 5.4% on non group plans pre ACA ro 6.2% on non group plans in 2023

As for affordable healthcare. It was affordable for the VAST MAJORITY of working adults pre ACA on the individual market. We are talking $100-200/month premiums with $2500 deductible pre ACA for the VAST MAJORITY of working adults.

It’s now become UNAFFORDABLE for the VAST MAJORITY of adults is what you are saying unless it’s given away for free or heavily subsidized.

And that’s the truth.

Crazy how they had a record year of ACA enrollment though eh?

Another Year of Record ACA Marketplace Signups, Driven in Part by Medicaid Unwinding and Enhanced Subsidies | KFF

Open enrollment for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) Marketplaces is about to wrap up with another record high number of people signing up for coverage. Factors that contribute to this increase include unwinding of the Medicaid continuous enrollment, increased subsidies from the American Rescue...

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5 Key Facts About Medicaid Work Requirements | KFF

Work requirements in Medicaid have resurfaced as part of a broader legislative package of potential changes to Medicaid designed to significantly reduce federal Medicaid spending. This brief highlights five key facts about Medicaid work requirements, including the share of Medicaid enrollees who...

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92% of the non disabled on Medicaid are working.

Only about 19% of people over 65 are working.

So you are 0/2

Older Workers Are Growing in Number and Earning Higher Wages

Roughly one-in-five Americans ages 65 and older were employed in 2023 – nearly double the share of those who were working 35 years ago.

www.pewresearch.org

Among adults under age 65 with Medicaid who do not receive benefits from the Social Security disability programs, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI), and who are not also covered by Medicare, 92% were working full or part-time (64%), or not working due to caregiving responsibilities (12%), illness or disability (10%), or school attendance (7%)

Moving the field goal posts again.

You can spin numbers anyways you want.

pump up the numbers to your advantage. You leave out the 15 million working kids and seniors.

And you pump up the 92% by merging part time and full time workers.

You would be a great accountant for Enron or the the former Arthur Anderson big 6 (now big 4 accounting firm)

You probably do your own taxes anyways. Because you are that good at dolling out numbers.

 

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Crazy how they had a record year of ACA enrollment though eh?

Another Year of Record ACA Marketplace Signups, Driven in Part by Medicaid Unwinding and Enhanced Subsidies | KFF

Open enrollment for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) Marketplaces is about to wrap up with another record high number of people signing up for coverage. Factors that contribute to this increase include unwinding of the Medicaid continuous enrollment, increased subsidies from the American Rescue...

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Dude. We keep having the same argument. Sign up for the ACA exchanges.

Once you are enrolled you will be counted as another number in that record enrollment.

They make no distinction between you being uninsured or insured before. You just count as another person signing up.

 

[UscGhost]

Dude. We keep having the same argument. Sign up for the ACA exchanges.

Once you are enrolled you will be counted as another number in that record enrollment.

They make no distinction between you being uninsured or insured before. You just count as another person signing up.

Who cares? First you argue that the ACA is terrible because it's unaffordable. Then you argue it's too affordable and people are just leaving their employer PPO

If ACA gives you a better deal. Sign up.

 

[UscGhost]

Moving the field goal posts again.

You can spin numbers anyways you want.

pump up the numbers to your advantage. You leave out the 15 million working kids and seniors.

And you pump up the 92% by merging part time and full time workers.

You would be a great accountant for Enron or the the former Arthur Anderson big 6 (now big 4 accounting firm)

You probably do your own taxes anyways. Because you are that good at dolling out numbers.

You argued/implied that most 65 year olds work because your mom works. Looks like you were wrong.

I didn't realize we are supposed to kick 12 year olds off medicaid because they aren't working. Shouldn't kids be in school?

Those aren't my numbers. Straight facts bro

 

[aneftp]

Who cares? First you argue that the ACA is terrible because it's unaffordable. Then you argue it's too affordable and people are just leaving their employer PPO

If ACA gives you a better deal. Sign up.

Because all the growth is Medicaid.