3 out of the top 4 Democratic Presidential Hopefuls Want to Abolish Private Insurance

[dohopeful13]

Title is self-explanatory. After watching the debates the past 2 nights, while only 4/20 democratic candidates pledged to abolish private health insurance, three of those four (Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, and of course Bernie) are at the top of the polls right now. Of course you have Joe Biden as the odd man out, but he's losing momentum at a Jeb Bush-esque rate. The amount of momentum M4A is generating is quite scary as someone about to go 350k deep to pay for medical school. I know this comes up quite a bit on the forum as is, but the debates were definitely eye opening on how serious of a possibility this is.

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[Lawpy]

I'm pretty indifferent until we have clearer answers in the future. At this stage, candidates are just saying things to get support and we don't know who's going to win the nomination, and how things will change leading up to the election. And of course, who's going to win the election and the events thereafter.

People were predicting what the healthcare situation would be like in hypothetical presidencies 3-4 years ago, and this is no different.

 

[WedgeDawg]

Moving to TIH

 

[pm_me_fortnite_highlights]

Title is self-explanatory. After watching the debates the past 2 nights, while only 4/20 democratic candidates pledged to abolish private health insurance, three of those four (Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, and of course Bernie) are at the top of the polls right now. Of course you have Joe Biden as the odd man out, but he's losing momentum at a Jeb Bush-esque rate. The amount of momentum M4A is generating is quite scary as someone about to go 350k deep to pay for medical school. I know this comes up quite a bit on the forum as is, but the debates were definitely eye opening on how serious of a possibility this is.

While candidates are touting M4A as a viable reform proposal, the idea of losing private coverage actually isn't polling well at all according to some recent data. A majority of constituents still fundamentally like the concept of private plans, even if a public option behooves them. I really don't think a M4A bill will get through congress in the near future, it remains too divisive politically regardless of its relative merits.

 

[SurfingDoctor]

Insurance is a monetary drag on the system. It probably would be best to eliminate all healthcare insurance companies... but ya know, lobbyists and donors and the sort.

 

[Gyuji]

That "who wants to abolish health insurance?" question was a trick question.

The only person willing to fight for Medicare-4-All is, of course, Bernie Sanders. But he has strong opposition from the Democratic National Committee since they're corrupt and bought by corporations. The only way for him to win is high voter turnout to overwhelm the opposition much like Trump did in 2016 Republican primary.

On Warren, she already flipped back to the centrist side and now the media is propping her up as she's the Establishment's Plan B when they realize they can't win without being in favor of Medicare-4-All. But knowing Warren's demeanor, she'll compromise on her policies if she gets into office as in contrast, Sanders will not.

So, the Establishment found their puppet in Kamala Harris. As they and we know that she's a good "politician," as in she's good with the cameras and say the right words to fool older Democratic voters. So it all depends on the voter turnout.

 

[321931]

Just a bunch of talk and pandering to get votes.

Medicare for all will never be a thing in the near future.

 

[Gyuji]

Just a bunch of talk and pandering to get votes.

Medicare for all will never be a thing in the near future.

It all depends who wins the Democratic nomination. If Sanders wins, then yeah, reality will come during 2023-24 session as more and more Republicans will be voted out due to the 2020 economic recession, Sanders' nonstop campaigning for the policy and public pressure.

 

[321931]

It all depends who wins the Democratic nomination. If Sanders wins, then yeah, reality will come during 2023-24 session as more and more Republicans will be voted out due to the 2020 economic recession, Sanders' nonstop campaigning for the policy and public pressure.

Why do you think there will be an economic recession. Everyone has predicting one since 2015-16 and it has climbed higher. We have been in a period of consolidation for the past 1 1/2 years and may break out to SPY 300. My 401k is very happy.

Sorta curious what your thought process is behind this.

 

[Gyuji]

Why do you think there will be an economic recession. Everyone has predicting one since 2015-16 and it has climbed higher. We have been in a period of consolidation for the past 1 1/2 years and may break out to SPY 300. My 401k is very happy.

Sorta curious what your thought process is behind this.

If you look into economics and history, they're all related. The 1929 crash resulted to economic liberalism of deregulation and tax cuts to corporate tax cut and wealthy. Post-Reagan recession resulted from the same actions though a huge economic downturn was prevented thanks to a FDR regulation of Glass-Steagall Act which was Reagan's mission that was never accomplish. Then, Bill Clinton signed to re-appeal Glass-Steagall in 1999 as Bush Jr. came into office and did the same thing, tax cuts and deregulation.

Now, Obama was President Half-Measure. He didn't completely fix the economy: he signed the Frank-Dodd Act which is the Swiss cheese version(loopholes) of Glass-Steagall, several economic problems were left unresolved, milquetoast regulations, and others. Yeah, it was predicted to crash but would have taken years. But we don't know. With Trump in office, he did the same thing as any Republican president would do and as well with having Republican-majority, in his first 2 years, in the House and Senate(with the help of the conspired Schumer & Pelosi to get 60 votes) to dismantled Frank-Dodd and passing that terrible tax cut bill: cut taxes for corporations and wealthy and rising taxes on those making $75k/year. So yeah, Trump pretty much speed up the process by creating the usual boom-bust cycle. Of course, corporate media is not talking about it, and like the 2008 crash, they'll bring in CEOs and "higher hands" from financial institutions telling folks that "everything's okay" once the signs are very clear.

A lot of people say the economy will crash in 2020. But things can happen to extend time. But a crash is definitely coming. Now, I'm saying this because Republicans will get slaughtered in the 2020 election especially if the economy crashes in 2020. There's a reason why then-House Speaker Paul Ryan and 30 Republicans announced retirement months before the 2018 election when Republicans were in-power at every level of government. As a regular person with some knowledge in economics, the U.S. economy. is way better off with Bernie Sanders in office while giving him the Democrat super-majority in the House of Reps. He's not going to compromise and going to fight for his policies unlike Warren who is easily swayed if she becomes President.

 

[SurfingDoctor]

I’m excited to see what the GOP platform will offer.

This time we’ll actually repeal and replace... scouts honor!

 

[Gyuji]

I’m excited to see what the GOP platform will offer.

This time we’ll actually repeal and replace... scouts honor!

They don't have one. They never did. It's always the same platform: tax-cuts(to whom they never say), deregulation with an agenda to cut Social Security and other social programs by using code words like "reform" and "to save."

All they got is marketing and follow the golden rule of politics: don't abandon your voter base, which those two things Democrats lack of and neglected as they became Republican-Lite of keeping the status quo with minor tweaks around the edges while Republicans(corporations) wants to go to back to pre-New Deal era though they succeeded these few decades: control the media, monopolize the market, passing terrible tax cut bills, terrible trade deals(NAFTA), destroying unions, re-appeal of Glass-Steagall, deregulate Wall Street, etc. Surprisingly, it's Democratic presidents who did the hard work as Republican presidents tried and failed their missions.

On the healthcare issue. GOP have no where to go since their idea, the individual-mandate system a.k.a. Obamacare, is already implemented. Trump and Republicans already punted the healthcare topic away pass the 2020 election as they kept failing to re-appeal repeatedly.

 

[SurfingDoctor]

They don't have one. They never did. It's always the same platform: tax-cuts(to whom they never say), deregulation with an agenda to cut Social Security and other social programs by using code words like "reform" and "to save."

All they got is marketing and follow the golden rule of politics: don't abandon your voter base, which those two things Democrats lack of and neglected as they became Republican-Lite of keeping the status quo with minor tweaks around the edges while Republicans(corporations) wants to go to back to pre-New Deal era though they succeeded these few decades: control the media, monopolize the market, passing terrible tax cut bills, terrible trade deals(NAFTA), destroying unions, re-appeal of Glass-Steagall, deregulate Wall Street, etc. Surprisingly, it's Democratic presidents who did the hard work as Republican presidents tried and failed their missions.

On the healthcare issue. GOP have no where to go since their idea, the individual-mandate system a.k.a. Obamacare, is already implemented. Trump and Republicans already punted the healthcare topic away pass the 2020 election as they kept failing to re-appeal repeatedly.

Actually the individual mandate is gone.. but that’s neither here no there.

But that’s why we got to repeal and replace... or replace and repeal... or repeal ^2 than replace to repeal the replacement.

It’s gonna work!

 

[Gyuji]

Actually the individual mandate is gone.. but that’s neither here no there.

But that’s why we got to repeal and replace... or replace and repeal... or repeal ^2 than replace to repeal the replacement.

It’s gonna work!

Yeah, the individual-mandate is the heart of the reform in order keep things balance. It helped to kick out 7 million people off their plans. Not a good move from Republicans as that, and Trump's antics, cause them to lose the House.

Medicare-4-All is the next step if Sanders wins the nomination. He's already reformed the Democratic Party back to its FDR roots.

 

[SurfingDoctor]

Yeah, the individual-mandate is the heart of the reform in order keep things balance. It helped to kick out 7 million people off their plans. Not a good move from Republicans as that, and Trump's antics, cause them to lose the House.

Medicare-4-All is the next step if Sanders wins the nomination. He's already reformed the Democratic Party back to its FDR roots.

All great. Of course it will cost untold amounts of money, cost 2.7 million jobs and likely require rationing to be sustainable.

I’m not sure they’ve necessarily thought their plan through to fruition either.

 

[VincentAdultman]

Of course you have Joe Biden as the odd man out, but he's losing momentum at a Jeb Bush-esque rate.

Welp..

 

[deleted480308]

Yeah, the individual-mandate is the heart of the reform in order keep things balance. It helped to kick out 7 million people off their plans. Not a good move from Republicans as that, and Trump's antics, cause them to lose the House.

Medicare-4-All is the next step if Sanders wins the nomination. He's already reformed the Democratic Party back to its FDR roots.

The individual mandate needed to be cancelled, it was inappropriate

And medicare for all is a horrible idea

 

[Mad Jack]

It most likely wouldn't abolish private insurance, but would rather guarantee a base level of insurance. Many countries have a similar system, where private insurance exists but anyone is guaranteed a public option if they don't have private

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

It most likely wouldn't abolish private insurance, but would rather guarantee a base level of insurance. Many countries have a similar system, where private insurance exists but anyone is guaranteed a public option if they don't have private

You're likely right, but there are some candidates who are saying they will get rid of private insurance:

Medicare for All Would Abolish Private Insurance. ‘There’s No Precedent in American History.’ (Published 2019)

Unlike Obamacare, emerging plans would sweep away the private health insurance system. What would that mean for the companies’ workers, the stock market and the cost of care?

www.nytimes.com

Kamala Harris Releases 'Medicare For All' Plan With A Role For Private Insurers

The plan clears up confusion over Harris' position, allowing private Medicare plans that follow certain standards. New taxes would be added on stock trades and households earning over $100,000.

www.npr.org