4.0 but 60 PCAT?? how is this possible?

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I'm sorry, but I completed my undergrad at a fairly good 4-year school and I have seen my roommates class material and even one of his chemistry tests from the local community college. Sorry, but no where in my chemistry courses were the questions "Match the following element to it's symbol" anywhere on my tests of chemistry, geology, physics (whatever science you want to go with). I have a 3.0 GPA, but I'll be damned if someone from a CC thinks they are somehow more qualified because they have a 3.8. Come take the biology courses where I did.
 
I'm sorry, but I completed my undergrad at a fairly good 4-year school and I have seen my roommates class material and even one of his chemistry tests from the local community college. Sorry, but no where in my chemistry courses were the questions "Match the following element to it's symbol" anywhere on my tests of chemistry, geology, physics (whatever science you want to go with). I have a 3.0 GPA, but I'll be damned if someone from a CC thinks they are somehow more qualified because they have a 3.8. Come take the biology courses where I did.


And at no university have I had to write a 25 page paper or 4 15 page papers for any gen ed like I had at a c.c.
 
I'm sorry, but I completed my undergrad at a fairly good 4-year school and I have seen my roommates class material and even one of his chemistry tests from the local community college. Sorry, but no where in my chemistry courses were the questions "Match the following element to it's symbol" anywhere on my tests of chemistry, geology, physics (whatever science you want to go with). I have a 3.0 GPA, but I'll be damned if someone from a CC thinks they are somehow more qualified because they have a 3.8. Come take the biology courses where I did.

I also took almost all of my pre-req. at a CC and never for once see any question like that in any of the exams. my Anatomy and physiology class was like we were in medical school, half of the class dropped the course. so it depends on the community college. I am glad I attended community college first before transfering to a 4 yr college to complete my pre req.
 
I'm sorry, but I completed my undergrad at a fairly good 4-year school and I have seen my roommates class material and even one of his chemistry tests from the local community college. Sorry, but no where in my chemistry courses were the questions "Match the following element to it's symbol" anywhere on my tests of chemistry, geology, physics (whatever science you want to go with). I have a 3.0 GPA, but I'll be damned if someone from a CC thinks they are somehow more qualified because they have a 3.8. Come take the biology courses where I did.

Interesting that you say that... I am taking Plant diversity at UF (13th public Uni in the nation), which is just another bio survey course. My peers are struggling with the amount of material - the average score on the first exam being 104 out of 165. I found the course load and material very similar to my Bio 2 I took at the local CC. I am far better prepared for this course b/c I didn't take it at a 4 yr university.

4 year schools tend to avoid assignments that require grading. I write less papers, do less projects, and study less since coming to UF. Truth is - my ability to cram and pass a test is excellent - but you coudnt do that at a CC b/c of all of the assignments you had to complete. All I do now is take the test, pass the practical, and receive my A's. Aside from Org II, my 3rd year of college has been the easiest thus far.

~above~
 
Quite a few posts for this topic are just plain nasty, and please stick to the topic (the original post was not a University vs. Community College debate!).

I think that the PCAT is just another part of the application process. I have a University degree from years and years ago, just recently completed my science pre-reqs from a local Community College (so I've done both, and to be honest, it depends on the teacher wherever you take your course). I have a fairly high GPA (3.6 or so), but I suck at standardized tests.

I was never surprised of my scores and in fact, each time I took the PCAT, my scores went all over the map (eg, one time Verbal would be low, the next time it would be high). The only subject I consistly improved on was Chem, partly due to the fact that that was what I was enrolled in during each test (as I completed my English Comps, Maths, and Biologies when I completed my undergraduate).

I've taked the ACT, SAT, GRE, and GMAT in the past as well. No consistency in those test scores either. One tidbit for the panel: I have never made below an "A" for any English Comp or literature class in my life, but have struggled with Math classes forever (C in Calculus, and if it wasn't for the first half of the class/tests being easier, I would have FAILED). Therefore, can I explain the reason why on some tests my Math score was better than my Verbal? No. But I also know that each test version is a crapshoot. Although there is normalization that occurs between tests, there is a bit of luck involved in knowing how to answer PARTICULAR test questions that miraculously show up on my test.

But some people that struggle with classes may score well on the PCAT. Are they smarter? To you I say this: How do you define "smart?" Does "smart" mean getting good grades in classes or scoring exceptionally well on the PCAT? I think the more correct word that should be used is "gifted." I have to admit that I am a little more gifted than the average person in taking an academic test because tests tend to focus on centralized themes/principles/concepts,etc. I know how to engross myself with an academic class's theme (for the most part).

However, I feel that I am at a disadvantage in taking a standardized test because I don't see central themes anywhere. I am rushed to bubble in anything that sounds "good" because I only have 30 seconds for each question. Also, how are scores/percentiles "really" determined (ie, how many questions can I miss in order to receive a particular score)? Highly secret information for standardized tests, but in academic classes, I know how my grade will be determined for each exam as well as my final grade at the end of the semester.

Pharmacy school will be difficult for me, but I don't expect it to be a breeze. I fear the NAPLEX in a way because it is my next hurdle to jump through in four years, but unlike other standardized tests before, the NAPLEX is only Pass/Fail. Thank goodness for that.

Sorry to ramble, but I really think that the PCAT simply is meant to give people with lower GPAs a fighting chance at gaining admission. Yes, a person with the high GPA can screw up their chances by scoring poorly on the PCAT (ie below 50 percent), but if this happens, the battle is only from "within" to get an average to slightly above average score. For the person with a low GPA, scoring high on the PCAT means battling the entire pool of applicants, which is a lot tougher to do.

For those that have both high GPAs and PCAT scores, you can sleep easy (sorry for the grammar there).
 
How do people who have a 3.9 or 4.0 make a very low PCAT score (50's or 60's)?? Because, in my opinion, the PCAT was just like a final exam... It covered everything I've done in my pre-pharm coursework. Does this make sense?? I don't mean to sound rude, but are people not learning the material and just getting by on the class tests? That is why I think the PCAT is a good tool b/c it really shows how much a person retains. Does anyone agree with this? Or am I about to get "blessed out" for this?

how do people who have a 3.9 4.0..... YOU HAVE PROOF? OR ARE YOU MAKING THIS UP......NO THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. UNLESS THEY WERE HIGH WHEN THEY TOOK THE EXAM? I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU SAW A 4.0 GPA BUT 40 ON PCAT. IF U DID SEE ONE PERSON IT IS ONE IN A MILLION CASE AND HE WAS HIGH THAT DAY PROBABLY STOLE C2 FROM HIS PHARMACY WHILE WORKING AS PHARMTECH.
 
wow....chill out on the all caps man. and i have heard of people having rather high GPA's making < 60-70. the way i see it is that GPA's are not universal - that is to say all schools are different in regards to their ease etc. However the PCAT is the standard, the meter stick, the equalizer in some cases as said before! Whatever you want to call it we all have to take it..
 
In many situations, people don't give themselves enough time or know where to start so they study the wrong things. That is what happened to me. I have a 3.7 GPA and my composite score was a 35. Embarrassing.😳 I work/school full time and didn't allow my full attention to study for the PCAT (time-management). Also, certain people are good at taking standardized test and some are not. Apparently I'm not. In those cases it would be wise to apply to schools that do not require the exam. I had 3 total interviews (2 do not require PCAT, 1 did).
 
I have a 3.45 GPA with a 94 PCAT, so I guess I'm one of those applicants supported by the PCAT score. For me, I agree that the PCAT is just one stat that isn't strong enough to support itself. Likewise, the GPA is also one stat that doesn't support itself on its own either. That's why schools look at BOTH to get a clear assessment on the applicant's ability to succeed in pharmacy.

My GPA is mostly a reflection on time-management skills, my recurring feelings of depression throughout the latter half of my undergraduate coursework, and my overload on responsibilities. If I had the time that the 4.0 GPA students had, then I would have had a much higher GPA. This was really critical in some courses where the course was a mindless exercise in memorization. Thus, my GPA doesn't reflect my ability though it provides hints on my potential.

I was able to focus on the PCAT during the summer like most pre-health students focus on classes and the PCAT, and I did really well. That high PCAT score shouldn't "erase" my bumpy undergraduate career, but it's a piece of accepted data schools can see that will help them in assessing my true potential and abilities.

On a side note, I'm not particularly fond of standardized exams either as I've done research into why tests like the SAT have issues with its validity. From reading these posts however, it seems to me that the people who are against standardized testing are those who perform poorly on said tests. Conversely, those who did well on the PCAT or any other tests don't seem to have a probelm with them. Hmmmmmmmmmm.....😉

Lastly, the interview inserts the human element into the application. A person with a 99 PCAT and a 4.0 GPA will have some difficulties if he/she is a d-bag.🙂
 
I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I have a low GPA (less than 3.0) but I scored a 96 on the PCAT. GPA while important, is not always an accurate predictor of one's performance in pharmacy school. Many, myself included, contracted a serious disease known as freshmanitis that could only be cured by imbibing copious amounts of ethanol based elixers, extending my resting periods and attending group support functions that generally took place late on days ending in 'Y'. In other words, my first couple of semesters, I drank, slept and partied, made 'F's and my overall GPA suffered for it. But I finished strong and had super PCATs. I don't yet know if I'm in, but I did get an interview (which went very well) and I feel very competitive.
 
Many, myself included, contracted a serious disease known as freshmanitis that could only be cured by imbibing copious amounts of ethanol based elixers, extending my resting periods and attending group support functions that generally took place late on days ending in 'Y'.

:laugh: Funny stuff (and love your signon name too) - hope you get an acceptance real soon!
 
Hey, Im not going to read this entire thread even though Im sure there are some very insightful things.
I have often thought about this same thing. The first time I took the pcat I made a 47 on composite! I had a 3.8 at the time and I just didnt think it was fair that others who didnt show up for class could get a 99 composite, but its the truth. I studied for maybe 2 weeks before the second PCAT and made a 93.
What does this tell me? Its just too easy for the PCAT to go either way for you. Someone shouldnt be able to double their score ever. Perhaps it does measure ones ability in all the core subjects, but is it fair to let in someone with poor will power (ie the person that doesnt go to class) even if they make a good PCAT? No, I really dont. Do I have a solution? No I dont.
I guess Ill take my 93 and go to pharmacy school (hopefully) but I really dont agree with the current system.
I look forward to reading others opinions/thoughts on this subject.
 
Yea, it just really depends because there are so many other factors. I have a 4.0 GPA (science & non-science) but basically bombed the PCATS. Reason? I didn't study @ all because I didn't have time. During that time, I was a full time student (20 credits) working 20+ a week, while taking care of a family member that was dying. It was the most exhausting and stressful time of my life. So for those of you who can't believe that people with high GPA's can bomb the PCATS.. believe it!
 
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