4 + 2 yr OMFS programs

[Flossaraptor]

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Has anybody done a 4 year program and done an optional 2 years of medical school at the end of the program? I’m just curious about getting more info on this. Would you already be a board certified oral surgeon and be able to practice part time during those med school years? I have heard there is technically a 3rd year that is a general surgery requirement but I’m not sure of any detail on that. If anybody has any info they can share, I would appreciate it.

 

[Pralk Nekorf]

I feel like its normally sandwiched into the program and essentially turned into a 6 year program. Im not sure you get a say as to when you can do the med school

 

[odontogenesis]

Yes there are guys that have done 4 year programs and then gone back to medical school later down the line.

 

[Futureoms26]

Cincinnati has an optional 2 years to obtain your MD after completing 4 years of OMFS residency

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

Do the 6 year. There's probably 3 people in the history of OMFS that did the MD afterwards.

First, to use your MD, you need to have at least 1 year post grad to practice as an MD, which makes it a 3 year committent.

I did a 6-year program, and after 4 years I'm like.. ANOTHER 2 YEARS?? I'm graduating after the kids in the dental school I gave CBSE study material to.

Money is lucrative. 500k starting salaries after your OMFS certificate and you want to do 3 more years of this?

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

Eduardo D. Rodriguez, MD, DDS

Dr. Eduardo DeJesus Rodriguez is a plastic surgeon at NYU Langone specializing in reconstructive and cosmetic surgery. Learn more.

nyulangone.org

One of the 3 guys that did it.

 

[odontogenesis]

I believe Carlson and Schlieve also went back and did MD

 

[702]

Eduardo D. Rodriguez, MD, DDS

Dr. Eduardo DeJesus Rodriguez is a plastic surgeon at NYU Langone specializing in reconstructive and cosmetic surgery. Learn more.

nyulangone.org

One of the 3 guys that did it.

Interesting

 

[valc]

Eduardo D. Rodriguez, MD, DDS

Dr. Eduardo DeJesus Rodriguez is a plastic surgeon at NYU Langone specializing in reconstructive and cosmetic surgery. Learn more.

nyulangone.org

One of the 3 guys that did it.

https://dental.nyu.edu/faculty/ft/vk1.html

Another

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

I believe Carlson and Schlieve also went back and did MD

I can't imagine Carlson taking primary general surgery intern call, getting yelled at by 27year olds, after being an OMFS PD.

 

[odontogenesis]

I can't imagine Carlson taking primary general surgery intern call, getting yelled at by 27year olds, after being an OMFS PD.

Yeah seriously lol I don’t remember the details. I think he did a sabbatical and probably just did 3rd and 4th year rotations. He did another sabbatical later and moved to Boston to do a masters in education too.

 

[Beckwith Wiedemann]

Karlis of NYU also did MD/general surgery after completing dental school and OMFS residency. It's rarer these days to have graduates go back for MD after graduating since 98% graduates go into PP. I always wonder if these people moonlighted (or even allowed to) during med school/general surgery lol.

 

[Flossaraptor]

Karlis of NYU also did MD/general surgery after completing dental school and OMFS residency. It's rarer these days to have graduates go back for MD after graduating since 98% graduates go into PP. I always wonder if these people moonlighted (or even allowed to) during med school/general surgery lol.

That’s kinda what I was getting at. What does moonlighting look like as a resident vs as a board certified oral surgeon going back to complete med school.

 

[SaltyCFTR]

That’s kinda what I was getting at. What does moonlighting look like as a resident vs as a board certified oral surgeon going back to complete med school.

Would be wildly more lucrative, but you are also adding an additional year at least to do the gen surg/acgme time. I think the reality is there aren't many places that have a 2 year deal post graduating and if you want to go back you are more than likely going to have to do 4 years.

 

[BYU4you]

I saw that VCU is offering an MD option after completion of residency. I'm not sure if this is new or not, I don't recall hearing about it when I interviewed there in 2019.

Curriculum - Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery - Virginia Commonwealth University

oralsurgery.vcu.edu

On a side note, UAB recently published in JOMS about the reverse track of MD's applying to and completing an OMFS residency including dental school.

https://www.joms.org/article/S0278-2391(25)00652-4/fulltext

 

[gigachadomfs]

Not worth it, it's actually 3 years total if you actually want to be a licensed physician, because you need to complete a year of general surgery intership. It would also likely be a full 12 months of general surgery to meet ACGME standards, which is a lot compared to most OMFS programs. If you even remotely think you want an MD just do a 6-year program and don't waste your time with that MD optional stuff.

 

[D1Bound]

Not worth it, it's actually 3 years total if you actually want to be a licensed physician, because you need to complete a year of general surgery intership. It would also likely be a full 12 months of general surgery to meet ACGME standards, which is a lot compared to most OMFS programs. If you even remotely think you want an MD just do a 6-year program and don't waste your time with that MD optional stuff.

Some 6 year programs don’t offer enough ACGME time as it is to receive a medical license. There are states that are raising their requirements. Hopefully exceptions are carved out for OMS to count their residency time as ACGME, but the problem is ACGME vs CODA accreditation. OMS programs are accredited by CODA.