4 + 2 yr OMFS programs

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Has anybody done a 4 year program and done an optional 2 years of medical school at the end of the program? I’m just curious about getting more info on this. Would you already be a board certified oral surgeon and be able to practice part time during those med school years? I have heard there is technically a 3rd year that is a general surgery requirement but I’m not sure of any detail on that. If anybody has any info they can share, I would appreciate it.
 
I feel like its normally sandwiched into the program and essentially turned into a 6 year program. Im not sure you get a say as to when you can do the med school
 
Yes there are guys that have done 4 year programs and then gone back to medical school later down the line.
 
Cincinnati has an optional 2 years to obtain your MD after completing 4 years of OMFS residency
 
Do the 6 year. There's probably 3 people in the history of OMFS that did the MD afterwards.

First, to use your MD, you need to have at least 1 year post grad to practice as an MD, which makes it a 3 year committent.

I did a 6-year program, and after 4 years I'm like.. ANOTHER 2 YEARS?? I'm graduating after the kids in the dental school I gave CBSE study material to.

Money is lucrative. 500k starting salaries after your OMFS certificate and you want to do 3 more years of this?
 
AlbinoPolarBear said:
I can't imagine Carlson taking primary general surgery intern call, getting yelled at by 27year olds, after being an OMFS PD.
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Yeah seriously lol I don’t remember the details. I think he did a sabbatical and probably just did 3rd and 4th year rotations. He did another sabbatical later and moved to Boston to do a masters in education too.
 
Karlis of NYU also did MD/general surgery after completing dental school and OMFS residency. It's rarer these days to have graduates go back for MD after graduating since 98% graduates go into PP. I always wonder if these people moonlighted (or even allowed to) during med school/general surgery lol.
 
Beckwith Wiedemann said:
Karlis of NYU also did MD/general surgery after completing dental school and OMFS residency. It's rarer these days to have graduates go back for MD after graduating since 98% graduates go into PP. I always wonder if these people moonlighted (or even allowed to) during med school/general surgery lol.
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That’s kinda what I was getting at. What does moonlighting look like as a resident vs as a board certified oral surgeon going back to complete med school.
 
Flossaraptor said:
That’s kinda what I was getting at. What does moonlighting look like as a resident vs as a board certified oral surgeon going back to complete med school.
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Would be wildly more lucrative, but you are also adding an additional year at least to do the gen surg/acgme time. I think the reality is there aren't many places that have a 2 year deal post graduating and if you want to go back you are more than likely going to have to do 4 years.
 
Not worth it, it's actually 3 years total if you actually want to be a licensed physician, because you need to complete a year of general surgery intership. It would also likely be a full 12 months of general surgery to meet ACGME standards, which is a lot compared to most OMFS programs. If you even remotely think you want an MD just do a 6-year program and don't waste your time with that MD optional stuff.
 
gigachadomfs said:
Not worth it, it's actually 3 years total if you actually want to be a licensed physician, because you need to complete a year of general surgery intership. It would also likely be a full 12 months of general surgery to meet ACGME standards, which is a lot compared to most OMFS programs. If you even remotely think you want an MD just do a 6-year program and don't waste your time with that MD optional stuff.
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Some 6 year programs don’t offer enough ACGME time as it is to receive a medical license. There are states that are raising their requirements. Hopefully exceptions are carved out for OMS to count their residency time as ACGME, but the problem is ACGME vs CODA accreditation. OMS programs are accredited by CODA.
 
D1Bound said:
Some 6 year programs don’t offer enough ACGME time as it is to receive a medical license. There are states that are raising their requirements. Hopefully exceptions are carved out for OMS to count their residency time as ACGME, but the problem is ACGME vs CODA accreditation. OMS programs are accredited by CODA.
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From what I hear, there are very few states that don't have an separate individual pathway for OMFS to obtain MD license. These states want oral surgeons to come there.
 
SaltyCFTR said:
From what I hear, there are very few states that don't have a separate individual pathway for OMFS to obtain MD license. These states want oral surgeons to come there.
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Im glad because they absolutely should be able to get licensed. I still don’t know what the MD license tangibly does for an OMS though. Owning a med spa or practicing internationally were the only things I could come up with.
 
D1Bound said:
Im glad because they absolutely should be able to get licensed. I still don’t know what the MD license tangibly does for an OMS though. Owning a med spa or practicing internationally were the only things I could come up with.
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I believe an MD is required to supervise APPs in most non-academic settings. Someone mentioned that awhile back on here. Billing possibility differences. Hospital bylaws application and credentialing. Some academic omfs programs only hire MDs. Overall respect. How much this matters? Idk, but there are some differences. When future restrictions are placed on omfs, namely IV sedation privileges being taken away at some point, will they be implemented against all omfs, or single degree first then later down the road dual degree? Who knows. Idt there’s any huge reason to get your MD, just enough small ones that make it worth it for half the people. Plus two years of med school is fun - you’ll never get the college life again after this. To each their own

Also someone higher up than me please correct anything I’m saying wrong. I’m talking out of my butt
 
Rick Sorkin said:
I believe an MD is required to supervise APPs in most non-academic settings. Someone mentioned that awhile back on here. Billing possibility differences. Hospital bylaws application and credentialing. Some academic omfs programs only hire MDs. Overall respect. How much this matters? Idk, but there are some differences. When future restrictions are placed on omfs, namely IV sedation privileges being taken away at some point, will they be implemented against all omfs, or single degree first then later down the road dual degree? Who knows. Idt there’s any huge reason to get your MD, just enough small ones that make it worth it for half the people. Plus two years of med school is fun - you’ll never get the college life again after this. To each their own

Also someone higher up than me please correct anything I’m saying wrong. I’m talking out of my butt
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Hilarious if you think they would only give sedation privileges to people who went to a 6 yr program. Someone drank the MD kool aid
 
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Hemingway3132 said:
Hilarious if you think they would only give sedation privileges to people who went to a 6 yr program. Someone drank the MD kool aid
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Chill dude, we can be professional. As my post states, it's just a possibility, not some strong held prediction. Easier for opponents to play dominoes and start with stripping GPs of their weekend course sedation privileges, then move to single degree os, then dual degree os than it is to strip everyone of their sedations all at once. Again, just a possibility, even if small. I didn't drink the MD kool aid and sacrifice a large opportunity cost off of this food-for-thought idea.
 
D1Bound said:
Im glad because they absolutely should be able to get licensed. I still don’t know what the MD license tangibly does for an OMS though. Owning a med spa or practicing internationally were the only things I could come up with.
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Also let's not overlook the medical training itself. Having that knowledge would be nice in life. Again, to each their own. Not saying it's worth it to everyone
 
Rick Sorkin said:
I believe an MD is required to supervise APPs in most non-academic settings. Someone mentioned that awhile back on here. Billing possibility differences. Hospital bylaws application and credentialing. Some academic omfs programs only hire MDs. Overall respect. How much this matters? Idk, but there are some differences. When future restrictions are placed on omfs, namely IV sedation privileges being taken away at some point, will they be implemented against all omfs, or single degree first then later down the road dual degree? Who knows. Idt there’s any huge reason to get your MD, just enough small ones that make it worth it for half the people. Plus two years of med school is fun - you’ll never get the college life again after this. To each their own

Also someone higher up than me please correct anything I’m saying wrong. I’m talking out of my butt
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-The MD doesn’t affect credentialing for the OMS scope. It makes zero difference of what you can and can’t do. A case log does. A fellowship does.
-As far as sedation, states grant the ability to sedate under a dental license and not the medical license. And it has nothing to do with the degree, it’s the single operator anesthetist model that the medical community does not like.
 
Rick Sorkin said:
Chill dude, we can be professional. As my post states, it's just a possibility, not some strong held prediction. Easier for opponents to play dominoes and start with stripping GPs of their weekend course sedation privileges, then move to single degree os, then dual degree os than it is to strip everyone of their sedations all at once. Again, just a possibility, even if small. I didn't drink the MD kool aid and sacrifice a large opportunity cost off of this food-for-thought idea.
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The issue isn’t the degree, it’s the single provider model. They wouldn’t selectively take it away from one single-provider while allowing other single-providers to continue just because they have a separate degree.
 
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