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Whatyousay said:
Wonder what type of poop hotdog the adcom at UCF had to eat to convince that person to go there instead of Harvard/JHU/UPenn.
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No poop hot-dog. Just tuition for 4 years like the rest of his class. Plus we don't know the guy's other stats...he might not have had the EC's or research necessary to go to a top 5 place. Maybe he had family in that area...who knows.

Also, as pre-meds we really tend to overrate exceptionally high MCAT scores (40+), whereas to adcoms after you hit, say, 36 or 37 it's all just the same since the percentiles are pretty much indistinguishable.
 
flatearth22 said:
No poop hot-dog. Just tuition for 4 years like the rest of his class. Plus we don't know the guy's other stats...he might not have had the EC's or research necessary to go to a top 5 place. Maybe he had family in that area...who knows.

Also, as pre-meds we really tend to overrate exceptionally high MCAT scores (40+), whereas to adcoms after you hit, say, 36 or 37 it's all just the same since the percentiles are pretty much indistinguishable.
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I didn't know you were on an adcom?
 
Oh wait....I see that you haven't even taken a real MCAT....let alone all your prereqs.

Carry on....:laugh:
 
flatearth22 said:
LizzyM has said it numerous times. Adcoms know how the MCAT is scaled and aren't "wowed" by 40+ scores like many simple minded premeds tend to be. The percentile difference between a 29 and 30 is about twice as much as the percentile difference between a 36 and 45

https://www.aamc.org/students/download/85332/data/combined08.pdf
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Right. Because many more people score 29s, thus if you score a 30 you "beat" a large group of people. There aren't many people that score 36+, so you don't "beat" that many people (even though the difference between a 36 and 45 is substantial).

"Percentile jump" is a useless statistic.

inb4 you ignore this post or post a GIF
 
flatearth22 said:
LizzyM has said it numerous times. Adcoms know how the MCAT is scaled and aren't "wowed" by 40+ scores like many simple minded premeds tend to be. The percentile difference between a 29 and 30 is about twice as much as the percentile difference between a 36 and 45

https://www.aamc.org/students/download/85332/data/combined08.pdf
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Except that for schools like Mayo that use a formula to screen pre-interview, a higher MCAT can make up for a lower GPA, and there is quite a difference between a 36 and a 45. This whole thread is about the idea of a perfect MCAT score, which is such a feat of not only luck but incredible ability that it would likely stand out above other scores.
flatearth22 said:
Oh wait....I see that you haven't even taken a real MCAT....let alone all your prereqs.

Carry on....:laugh:
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I can see that in your fear of argumentation, you've resorted to ad hominem comments.

Please enlighten me as to how my experience affects my competence to comment with my opinion on this issue.
MustangGtV894 said:
OHHHH SNAPPPPPP /popcorn
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Nah, nothing to see here. Just flatearth being himself.
 
NickNaylor said:
Right. Because many more people score 29s, thus if you score a 30 you "beat" a large group of people. There aren't many people that score 36+, so you don't "beat" that many people (even though the difference between a 36 and 45 is substantial).

"Percentile jump" is a useless statistic.

inb4 you ignore this post or post a GIF
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Are you....are you agreeing with flatearth?

Someone needs to take a screenshot.
 
NickNaylor said:
Right. Because many more people score 29s, thus if you score a 30 you "beat" a large group of people. There aren't many people that score 36+, so you don't "beat" that many people (even though the difference between a 36 and 45 is substantial).

"Percentile jump" is a useless statistic.

inb4 you ignore this post or post a GIF
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^probably just mad his 40+ didn't get him into Harvard, Yale, or Hopkins (all schools with MCAT medians of 36 or 37).

after you reach that threshold each additional point becomes more and more meaningless. It's the same thing you hear about college admissions and the SAT....if you can get to about a 750 in each section adcoms look to other parts of your application because the difference between a 750 and an 800 can be attributed to things like luck, how you were feeling that day, and that if the particular questions on that test played to your strengths, etc.
 
flatearth's reasoning makes some sense to me. The difference between a 39 and 40 is probably one question, while the difference between a 29 and a 30 is probably quite a few questions. I am sure adcoms know this. Personally, I also hope this is true due to my score. Do you have any previous posts that back up what you said flatearth?

And how exactly is "percentile difference" a meaningless statistic? Just trying to discuss, but inb4 hero worship of Cole.
 
Renaissance Man said:
flatearth's reasoning makes some sense to me. The difference between a 39 and 40 is probably one question, while the difference between a 29 and a 30 is probably quite a few questions. I am sure adcoms know this. Personally, I also hope this is true due to my score. Do you have any previous posts that back up what you said flatearth?

And how exactly is "percentile difference" a meaningless statistic? Just trying to discuss, but inb4 hero worship of Cole.
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I'm looking at LizzyM's post record but they only show the last 300....haven't found those posts so far. The only school I think is a real "*****" for extremely high MCAT scores is WashU. EC's, research, PS, LOR's, lifestory, etc. seem to be far more important at other top schools once you reach that MCAT threshold.

Take a look on MDapps for people who applied to the real upper echelon places (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, UCSF, Penn, Hopkins) and see for yourself.
 
flatearth22 said:
^probably just mad his 40+ didn't get him into Harvard, Yale, or Hopkins (all schools with MCAT medians of 36 or 37).

after you reach that threshold each additional point becomes more and more meaningless. It's the same thing you hear about college admissions and the SAT....if you can get to about a 750 in each section adcoms look to other parts of your application because the difference between a 750 and an 800 can be attributed to things like luck, how you were feeling that day, and that if the particular questions on that test played to your strengths, etc.
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No, I ain't even mad. The reasoning you gave was just stupid, like the majority of your posts. But I do like your attempt at implying that, with my score, I should've been able to interview/get in everywhere that I applied. That just speaks to the general ignorance that you reek on SDN.

Renaissance, "percentile jump" is a useless statistic because it doesn't tell you anything. All it does it tell you that a lot of samples are clustered around a particular value in this case. It doesn't say anything about whether or not that jump is "meaningful." Flatearth stated that the percentile jump between 29 and 30 is the same as the jump between 36 and 45 and, in doing so, is implying that the difference between a 36 and a 45 is negligible. But only a ***** would believe that.

There is a point where MCAT scores have diminishing returns - no one's arguing against that. I would agree, for example, that the difference between a 29 and a 32 is more significant than the difference between a 39 and a 42. But the jumps from 29 -> 30 and 36 -> 45 are absolutely not the same, which is what he originally suggested.
 
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NickNaylor said:
No, I ain't even mad. The reasoning you gave was just stupid, like the majority of your posts. But I do like your attempt at implying that, with my score, I should've been able to interview/get in everywhere that I applied. That just speaks to the general ignorance that you reek on SDN.

Renaissance, "percentile jump" is a useless statistic because it doesn't tell you anything. All it does it tell you that a lot of samples are clustered around a particular value in this case. It doesn't say anything about whether or not that jump is "meaningful." Flatearth stated that the percentile jump between 29 and 30 is the same as the jump between 36 and 45 and, in doing so, is implying that the difference between a 36 and a 45 is negligible. But only a ***** would believe that.

There is a point where MCAT scores have diminishing returns - no one's arguing against that. I would agree, for example, that the difference between a 29 and a 32 is more significant than the difference between a 39 and a 42. But the jumps from 29 -> 30 and 36 -> 45 are absolutely not the same, which is what he originally suggested.
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lolwut? I don't think you should have gotten an interview/gotten in everywhere you applied....it's the premeds on here who start to get wet at at the sight of a 40+ MCAT who think that. My whole argument is that after you hit 36 it's meaningless. Obviously the people who did get into Harvard, Yale, Hopkins, etc. over you had the elite EC's, polished PS's, glowing LOR's that you might not have possessed even if they had MCAT scores that were 5+ points lower than yours.

Also nice edit afterwards. I really got you flustered there, huh?
 
NickNaylor said:
Renaissance, "percentile jump" is a useless statistic because it doesn't tell you anything. All it does it tell you that a lot of samples are clustered around a particular value in this case. It doesn't say anything about whether or not that jump is "meaningful." Flatearth stated that the percentile jump between 29 and 30 is the same as the jump between 36 and 45 and, in doing so, is implying that the difference between a 36 and a 45 is negligible. But only a ***** would believe that.

There is a point where MCAT scores have diminishing returns - no one's arguing against that. I would agree, for example, that the difference between a 29 and a 32 is more significant than the difference between a 39 and a 42. But the jumps from 29 -> 30 and 36 -> 45 are absolutely not the same, which is what he originally suggested.
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I didn't realize he was suggesting that at all. I agree with what you say for the most part. All I was saying was that the reasoning behind a 38 and 40 being treated essentially as the "same" score by medical schools makes sense to me, because it is probably 1 or 2 questions different in a 144 question test. You probably wouldn't expect that same treatment for scores of 28 and 30.
 
flatearth22 said:
lolwut? I don't think you should have gotten an interview/gotten in everywhere you applied....it's the premeds on here who start to get wet at at the sight of a 40+ MCAT who think that. My whole argument is that after you hit 36 it's meaningless. Obviously the people who did get into Harvard, Yale, Hopkins, etc. over you had the elite EC's, polished PS's, glowing LOR's that you might not have possessed even if they had MCAT scores that were 5+ points lower than yours.

Also nice edit afterwards. I really got you flustered there, huh?
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But that's just stupid. You're arguing that a 36 is equivalent to a 45? No one would believe that. Doesn't even make sense.

Yeah, your posts piss me off to no end. The problem with you is that users not knowing any better will believe what you say because you're the first to post in 80% of threads on pre-allo, yet you have yet to share any information about where you are in the process; as a result, people can't evaluate whether or not they should believe what you say and may accept what you say by default. You contribute absolutely nothing to this site other than spreading misinformation because you're not speaking from experience. You just spout off the same crap people repeat on SDN for the sake of repeating it, because if they've repeated it it must be correct, right? Much, if not most, of the stuff you say is either horrible advice or flat-out incorrect. Even if you quote LizzyM, as you did in this thread, you're still not painting a complete picture. With all due respect to him/her - and I really do mean that, because he/she is an invaluable resource to this site - his/her opinion only represents that of ONE admissions committee member at ONE school. Since you have no other experience with this process other than what you read here, your opinion is, at best, narrowly informed, and at worse blatantly incorrect. Most of what you write falls into the latter category.

At least when I say something people can see my MDApps and see where my opinion comes from. I reveal a significant amount of my information - to my own detriment - so that people can make a decision on whether or not to ignore my advice. It's not to brag, nor to incite some sort of "hero worship," or for any other purpose other than to give other users the opportunity to see what I've been through to arrive at my opinions and perception of the process. When I say something about the MCAT, people can see that I might actually know what I'm talking about or might be able to improve on my ideas and tips. When I give advice or answer a question about AMCAS or anything else, people can see that how far those tips got me when I was an applicant. Contrast this to you, where people have no idea where you're coming from. Have you even take the MCAT? Do you even know what the AMCAS app looks like? You're so quick to answer people's questions with a matter-of-fact tone that they just might believe you, and that scares me. I don't pretend to be an expert about medical admissions, but at least I've been through the process and have experience to back up my thoughts and opinions in addition to constantly seeking information about the process and talking to people who ARE experts. Where does your information come from?

It's not the fact that your posts are inane and stupid that piss me off. It's that you present yourself as an authority figure - whether you do so intentionally or not is really irrelevant - with, as of yet, nothing legitimate to demonstrate that you actually have any idea of what you're talking about. By no means am I an expert or an ultimate authority, but at least I give people the information they need to evaluate what I say. You open up your mouth and spout blabber until someone challenges you, which you then respond to using a JPEG. If you were to actually reveal information about yourself I would probably retract much of this, but since you won't I'm not too concerned.

With that, I'll be adding you to my ignore list because I just can't read your drivel anymore.

Sorry about the major thread hijack, but this needs to be pointed out publicly because of how pervasive your "advice" is. Even though people might think I'm a troll or just post pictures in every thread, I do actually enjoy this community and contribute as much as I can, when I can. People, of course, only remember the threads where people ask questions they could find answers to in five minutes if they took the effort to look, which usually results in me posting a smartass remark or something not all that helpful. I do actually care about the people that post here and wish them all the success in the world. It's because of that desire that I feel the need to call you out, because in many ways you actively compromise that goal and purpose.
 
Whatyousay said:
I didn't even get a 45 on the practice MCAT, and I was looking directly at the answers.
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I once got a 13 on a practice test, 3, 5, 5

I finished it in an hour while at the library. I was having a bad day!!
 
NickNaylor said:
But that's just stupid. You're arguing that a 36 is equivalent to a 45? No one would believe that. Doesn't even make sense.

Yeah, your posts piss me off to no end. The problem with you is that users not knowing any better will believe what you say because you're the first to post in 80% of threads on pre-allo, yet you have yet to share any information about where you are in the process; as a result, people can't evaluate whether or not they should believe what you say and may accept what you say by default. You contribute absolutely nothing to this site other than spreading misinformation because you're not speaking from experience. You just spout off the same crap people repeat on SDN for the sake of repeating it, because if they've repeated it it must be correct, right? Much, if not most, of the stuff you say is either horrible advice or flat-out incorrect. Even if you quote LizzyM, as you did in this thread, you're still not painting a complete picture. With all due respect to him/her - and I really do mean that, because he/she is an invaluable resource to this site - his/her opinion only represents that of ONE admissions committee member at ONE school. Since you have no other experience with this process other than what you read here, your opinion is, at best, narrowly informed, and at worse blatantly incorrect. Most of what you write falls into the latter category.

At least when I say something people can see my MDApps and see where my opinion comes from. I reveal a significant amount of my information - to my own detriment - so that people can make a decision on whether or not to ignore my advice. It's not to brag, nor to incite some sort of "hero worship," or for any other purpose other than to give other users the opportunity to see what I've been through to arrive at my opinions and perception of the process. When I say something about the MCAT, people can see that I might actually know what I'm talking about or might be able to improve on my ideas and tips. When I give advice or answer a question about AMCAS or anything else, people can see that how far those tips got me when I was an applicant. Contrast this to you, where people have no idea where you're coming from. Have you even take the MCAT? Do you even know what the AMCAS app looks like? You're so quick to answer people's questions with a matter-of-fact tone that they just might believe you, and that scares me. I don't pretend to be an expert about medical admissions, but at least I've been through the process and have experience to back up my thoughts and opinions in addition to constantly seeking information about the process and talking to people who ARE experts. Where does your information come from?

It's not the fact that your posts are inane and stupid that piss me off. It's that you present yourself as an authority figure - whether you do so intentionally or not is really irrelevant - with, as of yet, nothing legitimate to demonstrate that you actually have any idea of what you're talking about. By no means am I an expert or an ultimate authority, but at least I give people the information they need to evaluate what I say. You open up your mouth and spout blabber until someone challenges you, which you then respond to using a JPEG. If you were to actually reveal information about yourself I would probably retract much of this, but since you won't I'm not too concerned.

With that, I'll be adding you to my ignore list because I just can't read your drivel anymore.

Sorry about the major thread hijack, but this needs to be pointed out publicly because of how pervasive your "advice" is. Even though people might think I'm a troll or just post pictures in every thread, I do actually enjoy this community and contribute as much as I can, when I can. People, of course, only remember the threads where people ask questions they could find answers to in five minutes if they took the effort to look, which usually results in me posting a smartass remark or something not all that helpful. I do actually care about the people that post here and wish them all the success in the world. It's because of that desire that I feel the need to call you out, because in many ways you actively compromise that goal and purpose.
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I'm sorry it had to end like this. You're a cool guy and I wish you the best at UC 👍

One final GIF to send you off:

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NickNaylor said:
But that's just stupid. You're arguing that a 36 is equivalent to a 45? No one would believe that. Doesn't even make sense.

Yeah, your posts piss me off to no end. The problem with you is that users not knowing any better will believe what you say because you're the first to post in 80% of threads on pre-allo, yet you have yet to share any information about where you are in the process; as a result, people can't evaluate whether or not they should believe what you say and may accept what you say by default. You contribute absolutely nothing to this site other than spreading misinformation because you're not speaking from experience. You just spout off the same crap people repeat on SDN for the sake of repeating it, because if they've repeated it it must be correct, right? Much, if not most, of the stuff you say is either horrible advice or flat-out incorrect. Even if you quote LizzyM, as you did in this thread, you're still not painting a complete picture. With all due respect to him/her - and I really do mean that, because he/she is an invaluable resource to this site - his/her opinion only represents that of ONE admissions committee member at ONE school. Since you have no other experience with this process other than what you read here, your opinion is, at best, narrowly informed, and at worse blatantly incorrect. Most of what you write falls into the latter category.

At least when I say something people can see my MDApps and see where my opinion comes from. I reveal a significant amount of my information - to my own detriment - so that people can make a decision on whether or not to ignore my advice. It's not to brag, nor to incite some sort of "hero worship," or for any other purpose other than to give other users the opportunity to see what I've been through to arrive at my opinions and perception of the process. When I say something about the MCAT, people can see that I might actually know what I'm talking about or might be able to improve on my ideas and tips. When I give advice or answer a question about AMCAS or anything else, people can see that how far those tips got me when I was an applicant. Contrast this to you, where people have no idea where you're coming from. Have you even take the MCAT? Do you even know what the AMCAS app looks like? You're so quick to answer people's questions with a matter-of-fact tone that they just might believe you, and that scares me. I don't pretend to be an expert about medical admissions, but at least I've been through the process and have experience to back up my thoughts and opinions in addition to constantly seeking information about the process and talking to people who ARE experts. Where does your information come from?

It's not the fact that your posts are inane and stupid that piss me off. It's that you present yourself as an authority figure - whether you do so intentionally or not is really irrelevant - with, as of yet, nothing legitimate to demonstrate that you actually have any idea of what you're talking about. By no means am I an expert or an ultimate authority, but at least I give people the information they need to evaluate what I say. You open up your mouth and spout blabber until someone challenges you, which you then respond to using a JPEG. If you were to actually reveal information about yourself I would probably retract much of this, but since you won't I'm not too concerned.

With that, I'll be adding you to my ignore list because I just can't read your drivel anymore.

Sorry about the major thread hijack, but this needs to be pointed out publicly because of how pervasive your "advice" is. Even though people might think I'm a troll or just post pictures in every thread, I do actually enjoy this community and contribute as much as I can, when I can. People, of course, only remember the threads where people ask questions they could find answers to in five minutes if they took the effort to look, which usually results in me posting a smartass remark or something not all that helpful. I do actually care about the people that post here and wish them all the success in the world. It's because of that desire that I feel the need to call you out, because in many ways you actively compromise that goal and purpose.
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Fairly new, but I've been a lurker for a while and I have to say, thank you for contributing. If it weren't for people like you, LizzyM, Cat, and others, I'm sure some, like myself, would have continued to be totally lost in this whole process. Hopefully you all will continue to provide advice/information for a few years, or at least until I apply. 😛
 
NickNaylor said:
But that's just stupid. You're arguing that a 36 is equivalent to a 45? No one would believe that. Doesn't even make sense.

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That's my biggest problem with SDN. Aside from the couple admissions committee member it's a combination of the "telephone game" and the blind leading the blind.
 
3.87259191e-121 chance of guessing two hundred 1/4 questions right in a row... im jumping around with mid thirties on practice tests that my only chance lol
 
lol my friend swore that he was going to get a 45 on the MCAT. I told him he's going to get -5 automatically off verbal because he still sounds like he's fresh off the boat 😀 lol but seriously verbal kills me and english is my first language... I used to think I was a good reader too.... :/
 
circulus vitios said:
That's my biggest problem with SDN. Aside from the couple admissions committee member it's a combination of the "telephone game" and the blind leading the blind.
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Agreed purple monkey dishwasher.
 
Hah, you guys are crazy. I just read through this whole post for the first time...I really like the fact that from the first reply, the overwhelming trend has been to not reply to the topic of the thread, but instead to post witty one-liners and mock each other. Despite the "shoot yourself in the foot" aspect, I did enjoy the "gif" posted by fleatearth22, however.

Anyway, I believe the initial question was "Has anybody other then Kumar (Harold and Kumar) gotten a 45 on the MCAT." Unless the entire system is rigged, then of course they have. Even on the harshest scaled test, missing zero questions = 45. Some extremely smart, and lucky people must have achieved this. Whether someone on SDN would step forward and admit to such a godly feat, and be held remotely truthful, is another matter.
 
flatearth22 said:
I'm sorry it had to end like this. You're a cool guy and I wish you the best at UC 👍
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Hey jerkoff, Cole's going to Pritzker on a full scholarship. What kind of accomplishments could you possibly have that would put the credibility of your posts in the same stratosphere as his posts?
 
zeppelin125 said:
Hey jerkoff, Cole's going to Pritzker on a full scholarship. What kind of accomplishments could you possibly have that would put the credibility of your posts in the same stratosphere as his posts?
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cole is an SDN marketing ploy created by the higher ups to compete with such sites as CollegeConfidential and ValueMD.

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lol at your sig




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zeppelin125 said:
Hey jerkoff, Cole's going to Pritzker on a full scholarship. What kind of accomplishments could you possibly have that would put the credibility of your posts in the same stratosphere as his posts?
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You just made me read NickNaylor's MDApp's profile. How did you not get accepted to some of those top schools? Your scores and app, if truthful as I'm guessing they are, are unreal.
 
NickNaylor said:
But that's just stupid. You're arguing that a 36 is equivalent to a 45? No one would believe that. Doesn't even make sense.

Yeah, your posts piss me off to no end. The problem with you is that users not knowing any better will believe what you say because you're the first to post in 80% of threads on pre-allo, yet you have yet to share any information about where you are in the process; as a result, people can't evaluate whether or not they should believe what you say and may accept what you say by default. You contribute absolutely nothing to this site other than spreading misinformation because you're not speaking from experience. You just spout off the same crap people repeat on SDN for the sake of repeating it, because if they've repeated it it must be correct, right? Much, if not most, of the stuff you say is either horrible advice or flat-out incorrect. Even if you quote LizzyM, as you did in this thread, you're still not painting a complete picture. With all due respect to him/her - and I really do mean that, because he/she is an invaluable resource to this site - his/her opinion only represents that of ONE admissions committee member at ONE school. Since you have no other experience with this process other than what you read here, your opinion is, at best, narrowly informed, and at worse blatantly incorrect. Most of what you write falls into the latter category.

At least when I say something people can see my MDApps and see where my opinion comes from. I reveal a significant amount of my information - to my own detriment - so that people can make a decision on whether or not to ignore my advice. It's not to brag, nor to incite some sort of "hero worship," or for any other purpose other than to give other users the opportunity to see what I've been through to arrive at my opinions and perception of the process. When I say something about the MCAT, people can see that I might actually know what I'm talking about or might be able to improve on my ideas and tips. When I give advice or answer a question about AMCAS or anything else, people can see that how far those tips got me when I was an applicant. Contrast this to you, where people have no idea where you're coming from. Have you even take the MCAT? Do you even know what the AMCAS app looks like? You're so quick to answer people's questions with a matter-of-fact tone that they just might believe you, and that scares me. I don't pretend to be an expert about medical admissions, but at least I've been through the process and have experience to back up my thoughts and opinions in addition to constantly seeking information about the process and talking to people who ARE experts. Where does your information come from?

It's not the fact that your posts are inane and stupid that piss me off. It's that you present yourself as an authority figure - whether you do so intentionally or not is really irrelevant - with, as of yet, nothing legitimate to demonstrate that you actually have any idea of what you're talking about. By no means am I an expert or an ultimate authority, but at least I give people the information they need to evaluate what I say. You open up your mouth and spout blabber until someone challenges you, which you then respond to using a JPEG. If you were to actually reveal information about yourself I would probably retract much of this, but since you won't I'm not too concerned.

With that, I'll be adding you to my ignore list because I just can't read your drivel anymore.

Sorry about the major thread hijack, but this needs to be pointed out publicly because of how pervasive your "advice" is. Even though people might think I'm a troll or just post pictures in every thread, I do actually enjoy this community and contribute as much as I can, when I can. People, of course, only remember the threads where people ask questions they could find answers to in five minutes if they took the effort to look, which usually results in me posting a smartass remark or something not all that helpful. I do actually care about the people that post here and wish them all the success in the world. It's because of that desire that I feel the need to call you out, because in many ways you actively compromise that goal and purpose.
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zeppelin125 said:
Hey jerkoff, Cole's going to Pritzker on a full scholarship. What kind of accomplishments could you possibly have that would put the credibility of your posts in the same stratosphere as his posts?
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Chill out br0s. You act like everyone instantly believes everything they read on the internet.
 
stsa84 said:
You just made me read NickNaylor's MDApp's profile. How did you not get accepted to some of those top schools? Your scores and app, if truthful as I'm guessing they are, are unreal.
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Because this is an incredibly unpredictable process. At top 20 schools doubly so.
 
flatearth22 said:
cole is an SDN marketing ploy created by the higher ups to compete with such sites as CollegeConfidential and ValueMD.

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lol at your sig
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What?

I don't even........what?

I agree with both of you (Nick/Cole and flatearth) somewhat. I'm sure in SOME Adcoms eyes, the difference between a 36 and 37 is minimal, especially if all of the individual scores are close together (i.e., 13,14,13).

But saying that a 44 is the same as a 34 is plain stupid. Thats like saying the difference between a 3.9785 and a 3.3654 is nil, considering getting a 3.0 is the "threshold"
 
For those of you who think Nick's situation is so unbelievable and unique that he must be lying, check out the madpp for ksmi117, who is an SDN moderator: http://www.mdapplicants.com/profile.php?id=10813

4.0 GPA, 40 MCAT. Rejected pre-interview at Harvard, rejected post-interview at Yale, waitlisted at U Penn. Like Nick, I'm sure she doesn't care about these rejections because she got a full-ride scholarship to Wash U in St. Louis. The application process is very random and unpredictable, so stop jumping to the conclusion that Nick must be lying, unless you think an SDN mod must be lying about her mdapps too.
 
stsa84 said:
You just made me read NickNaylor's MDApp's profile. How did you not get accepted to some of those top schools? Your scores and app, if truthful as I'm guessing they are, are unreal.
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1) SDN greatly overrates extremely high MCAT scores (the topic of the latter half of this thread). The adcoms at Harvard, Yale, and Hopkins clearly weren't as enamored with his MCAT score as certain premeds on this site are.

2) EC's weren't elite. They were definitely above average but he did not have the longevity and depth of research that other applicants applying to top schools have. Not to mention his EC's were kind of all over the place and none of them stood out as a true "hook." He basically had elite med school numbers with state med school EC's....not a good combination when you are competing with students that have elite med school numbers AND elite med school EC's.

3) I thought his PS (on his blog section of MDapps) was good but not great. I've read a handful of PS's including 3 from students who ended up at elite places (1 at Stanford, 2 at UCSF) and there is just a different texture to their PS's than there is to his. It's really hard to pin down but his PS, while being good, just didn't have "it."

4) Undergrad reputation. Baylor is (fairly or unfairly) known as a bit of a backwards school. Some even go as far as to call Waco (the town in which it is located) "Wacko." This might or might not have been a factor in his app but there is no doubt in my mind that if he had gone somewhere else (not even a top 25...even just somewhere else instate like UT-Austin) and put up the same stats he would have had a better chance at the elite schools. Especially keeping in mind that Baylor is a conservative, religiously affiliated school while places like Harvard and Yale are bastions of liberal thought and irreligion and might subconsciously look at his app in a different light.

5) Being a TX resident in general. I can imagine lots of schools are wary of TX residents because they have such cheap, quality med schools and really tend to attract and keep their own. I'm sure a decent nubmer of TX rssidents would turn down paying $40k at Harvard (yes, turn down Harvard) in order to just pay $6k at Baylor or UTSW. This might have also played a part, as the top schools really want to keep their yield rates as high as possible.

Overall, the lesson to learn from his app cycle is that there many factors at work when applying to the upper echelon schools and even a 4.0/40 isn't a shoe-in. However, it's not as much of a crapshoot as people think. (see reasons 2-5 above).

That said, the guy did extremely well (several t20 acceptances including full scholarship at UC) but to act like he should get in everywhere is kind of a joke to be honest.
 
flatearth22 said:
1) SDN greatly overrates extremely high MCAT scores (the topic of the latter half of this thread). The adcoms at Harvard, Yale, and Hopkins clearly weren't as enamored with his MCAT score as certain premeds on this site are.
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This is absolutely inane. What reason do you have to think that his MCAT was the reason he didn't get an interview? Do you know how many applicants to Harvard have 40+ MCAT scores? That doesn't change the fact that a couple hundred out of 80,000 people score that high each year. It's a big feat.
2) EC's weren't elite. They were definitely above average but he did not have the longevity and depth of research that other applicants applying to top schools have. Not to mention his EC's were kind of all over the place and none of them stood out as a true "hook." He basically had elite med school numbers with state med school EC's....not a good combination when you are competing with students that have elite med school numbers AND elite med school EC's.
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Inb4jealousy

...oh wait. He had long term involved leadership and teaching experience, enough to signify a leader to make that construable as the primary focus of his EC distribution. He admitted freely at interviews that his future goal was never in research, and even so, people get in to Harvard/Yale/etc without research foci.
3) I thought his PS (on his blog section of MDapps) was good but not great. I've read a handful of PS's including 3 from students who ended up at elite places (1 at Stanford, 2 at UCSF) and there is just a different texture to their PS's than there is to his. It's really hard to pin down but his PS, while being good, just didn't have "it."
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Your opinion clearly represents fact. What are your credentials, again?
4) Undergrad reputation. Baylor is (fairly or unfairly) known as a bit of a backwards school. Some even go as far as to call Waco (the town in which it is located) "Wacko." This might or might not have been a factor in his app but there is no doubt in my mind that if he had gone somewhere else (not even a top 25...even just somewhere else instate like UT-Austin) and put up the same stats he would have had a better chance at the elite schools. Especially keeping in mind that Baylor is a conservative, religiously affiliated school while places like Harvard and Yale are bastions of liberal thought and irreligion and might subconsciously look at his app in a different light.
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You really have no way of justifying this as a factor beyond speculation and your personal thoughts toward Baylor.
5) Being a TX resident in general. I can imagine lots of schools are wary of TX residents because they have such cheap, quality med schools and really tend to attract and keep their own. I'm sure a decent nubmer of TX rssidents would turn down paying $40k at Harvard (yes, turn down Harvard) in order to just pay $6k at Baylor or UTSW. This might have also played a part, as the top schools really want to keep their yield rates as high as possible.
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This wouldn't prevent him from being interviewed if the school was genuinely interested, and since we've established it wasn't his MCAT score that turned him off, you're back to blindly guessing about what it might have been, when you have no way of knowing how those schools felt when they reviewed his application.
Overall, the lesson to learn from his app cycle is that there many factors at work when applying to the upper echelon schools and even a 4.0/40 isn't a shoe-in. However, it's not as much of a crapshoot as people think.
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I very much agree with this.
(see reasons 2-5 above).
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But not this.
That said, the guy did extremely well (several t20 acceptances including full scholarship at UC) but to act like he should get in everywhere is kind of a joke to be honest.
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Also true, however you go too far in trying to pick apart why he didn't get in places after postulating at complete-random-guess factors that accepted applicants to those schools had over him.
 
@gettheleadout - I'm not going to respond to your entire deconstruction of my post (lets just agree to disagree for the most part) but you entirely misinterpreted reason 1:

A extremely high MCAT score (40+) (provided it's balanced) can never be a disadvantage but it's also not as much of an advantage (if any) over a balanced 36+ as certain people make it out to be. Would the person I responded to say that he should have gotten in everywhere if he had a 4.0/36? Probably not. But since he had a 4.0/40, now he should?

That's all that I was trying to get across there. I apologize if it was obtuse.
 
gettheleadout said:
Bashing implies some degradation or personal attacks, and I believe I stuck to criticizing flatearth's thought pattern. I simply find fault with his assertions here.
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I was not specifically referring to you, gettheleadout. I was simply speaking to the futility of these types of arguments, by anyone, online. I'll admit to the near irresistibility (good grief, SDN's stupid spell checks are incredibly inaccurate) of responding to some imbecile's rantings, but it's still amusing to bystanders.
 
minerva3121 said:
For those of you who think Nick's situation is so unbelievable and unique that he must be lying, check out the madpp for ksmi117, who is an SDN moderator: http://www.mdapplicants.com/profile.php?id=10813

4.0 GPA, 40 MCAT. Rejected pre-interview at Harvard, rejected post-interview at Yale, waitlisted at U Penn. Like Nick, I'm sure she doesn't care about these rejections because she got a full-ride scholarship to Wash U in St. Louis. The application process is very random and unpredictable, so stop jumping to the conclusion that Nick must be lying, unless you think an SDN mod must be lying about her mdapps too.
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She rejected John Hopkins. For a full ride, sure, but damn.
 
Okay, so which would you rather have?

A 4.0/40 or a 4.0/36

I'm sure you would go for the later
 
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