5 years on

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5+ years after residency, how do you feel about EM and your career?

  • I dread going to work and "Burnout" is quickly becoming a reality.

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • I dread going to work, but the money and schedule is great so I can cope.

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • "What I do matters"..and its worth the personal sacrafice, but I am not "Happy"

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • I love my work, I love my career, I wake up each morning racing to get to my shift.

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • I am in academics and therefore teaching students/residents is satisfying.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
    17

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So I would like to poll the attendings..... who are now 5 years out and further as to how they view EM and their careers. So that the rest of us may benefit from your experiences and perhaps not make some of your bad decisions and hopefully more of your good ones.

Thanks on advance
 
I don't dread going to work but I would say that burnout is a reality. I would caution that I don't think it's an EM thing. It's a medicine thing. And my personality has a lot to do with it too.

For me the petty annoyances stack up and really bother me no matter how much I try to ignore them. The idiotic JCAHO mandates like medication reconciliation, the fact that HIPAA demands that the computer throw me out every 2 minutes so that I spend an hour a day logging back in and son may me boil.

I also particularly don't like that the hyper-litigous nature of the country and medicine specifically mean that operating an ED is like a blind mans' bluff of liability. I spend more time signing stuff and documenting that I am in fact the one who's liable (as if there was ever any doubt) that it cuts into my productivity.

While these gripes are different than what I'd run into in another specialty I think that each specialty has its own problems. I actually think that EM is one of the best places to be in medicine. I just think that medicine is a more logistically difficult endevor than any of us ever thought going in.
 
I am out of residency for almost 7 yrs. I can't really click on any of the poll answers. I have to agree with what DocB said, especially the governmental mandates that don't really do anything but make our lives miserable. There are definetly everyday aggravations, but overall I do still like my profession, and I still could not imagine doing any other specialty....
 
Interesting poll, with mildly alarming results so far.
 
absolutely agree with everything said above especially docB's thoughts, and I'm only 7 months out of residency.
 
While these gripes are different than what I'd run into in another specialty I think that each specialty has its own problems. I actually think that EM is one of the best places to be in medicine. I just think that medicine is a more logistically difficult endevor than any of us ever thought going in.

If you knew what you know now, would you still have gone into medicine?
I'm a non-trad who made the switch to medicine and some days I'm not so sure I made a good choice.
Every industry has its good and bad points, but I'm not so sure all the time/effort is worth the reward in medicine.

Any input from the elders would be appreciated! thanks.
 
If you knew what you know now, would you still have gone into medicine?
I'm a non-trad who made the switch to medicine and some days I'm not so sure I made a good choice.
Every industry has its good and bad points, but I'm not so sure all the time/effort is worth the reward in medicine.

Any input from the elders would be appreciated! thanks.

4-5 years ago I would have said no. Now with the economy tanking, the healthcare industry is one of the few that have job security. We may not always make a good salary, but there will always be sick people.
 
If you knew what you know now, would you still have gone into medicine?
I'm a non-trad who made the switch to medicine and some days I'm not so sure I made a good choice.
Every industry has its good and bad points, but I'm not so sure all the time/effort is worth the reward in medicine.

Any input from the elders would be appreciated! thanks.
I ditto Veers. 3 years ago I would have said that I'd never have gone into medicine again but now, it is nice to have the job security. Fire fighting I'd do again.
 
Im curious what makes you dislike medicine so much?

Assuming you could have a career as a lawyer or banker instead with the same job security, salary, and hours; would you switch today?

Why?
 

True, but it's not like the auto industry where you are laid off, there are no other jobs and you become useless.

If you are a physician and get laid off, there are many underserved areas that still actively recruit for physicians.

Have any of you been getting all of those recruiting e-mails for Maine? I don't think there's an ER doctor in the whole state.....
 
Im curious what makes you dislike medicine so much?

Assuming you could have a career as a lawyer or banker instead with the same job security, salary, and hours; would you switch today?

Why?

Patients have tons of unrealistic expectations and are very demanding despite their ignorance. For example think of all the people who want MRIs of their backs, knees, etc. in the ED.

We face ever increasing regulatory pressures for things like med reconciliation, core measures, HCAHPS, etc. (all of those are searchable on this forum for more info) coupled with decreasing reimbursement and other financial pressures like med mal, elimination balance billing and so on.

There is more and more use of the ED for inappropriate things like primary care, circumvention of outpatient preapprovals and second opinions. There continues to be a serious problem with getting specialists to take call.

A partner of mine who has been a doc since the 70s once told me "There is no social problem that can not be made into an ER problem." I didn't appreciate how right he was for several years but I live it every day now. If you've got homless and addicts and mentally ill and you don't want to deal with them just dump them into the ER. If no one can get primary care or referrals or outpatient tests or second opinions or prescriptions dump them in the ER. If they can't speak English or the smell bad or they can't pay or they're non-compliant, you guessed it, dump 'em in the ER.

It just wears on you after a few years.
 
Patients have tons of unrealistic expectations and are very demanding despite their ignorance. For example think of all the people who want MRIs of their backs, knees, etc. in the ED.

We face ever increasing regulatory pressures for things like med reconciliation, core measures, HCAHPS, etc. (all of those are searchable on this forum for more info) coupled with decreasing reimbursement and other financial pressures like med mal, elimination balance billing and so on.

There is more and more use of the ED for inappropriate things like primary care, circumvention of outpatient preapprovals and second opinions. There continues to be a serious problem with getting specialists to take call.

A partner of mine who has been a doc since the 70s once told me "There is no social problem that can not be made into an ER problem." I didn't appreciate how right he was for several years but I live it every day now. If you've got homless and addicts and mentally ill and you don't want to deal with them just dump them into the ER. If no one can get primary care or referrals or outpatient tests or second opinions or prescriptions dump them in the ER. If they can't speak English or the smell bad or they can't pay or they're non-compliant, you guessed it, dump 'em in the ER.

It just wears on you after a few years.

Hey docB or any others, on the other side this, what makes a good day for you or what excites you in the ED?
 
Sagely wisdom from Doc B once more. "There is no social problem that is not an ER problem." Make no mistake we are part time social workers. This is where the biggest frustration of the ED lies. We all wish we just had sick people, but this is not the case.

As society falls apart, EDs get dumped on. Make no mistake, our jobs are secure because we are the last line of defense! We will be forced to do more, see more, and rely on less resources. I just don't think primary care is up to the task.

Part of undertaking a career in Emergency Medicine is knowing each of us has to do a part in adapting to change. We must always strive to do what is best for the patient who cannot help themselves. The ED will also be key in ensuring proper utilization of our resources. It is difficult especially when considering the forces against us. First line of defense = First to be sued. Ill thought and stupid regulatory measures help a few aspects but limit others. They are feeble attempts of government to try and get involved in a process that is already way out of control.
 
Hey docB or any others, on the other side this, what makes a good day for you or what excites you in the ED?
It's not seeing interesting, high acuity patients as most here would think. For me the best day would be seeing ~2.5/hour 60ish diabetics with chest pain that has already resolved. All level 5 visits, obvious dispo that can't be fought by the admitting docs, no procedures😎. A day like that and I might get to go to the bathroom and get out on time.
 
Part of undertaking a career in Emergency Medicine is knowing each of us has to do a part in adapting to change. We must always strive to do what is best for the patient who cannot help themselves.

I respectfully disagree. If you can't help yourself, there is not much I can do for you. That is not what I signed up for and frankly I don't believe that we as physicians are trained, have the time, resources or are well suited to solve societal ills. I am trained to differentiate GERD from an MI. Not to get some one to stop drinking or get their husband to stop beating them.

Are these things horrible, of course. But just because these unfortunate souls get dumped into the ED, it doesn't (or more correctly stated) shouldn't make it my problem.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that it isn't us.
 
I respectfully disagree. If you can't help yourself, there is not much I can do for you. That is not what I signed up for and frankly I don't believe that we as physicians are trained, have the time, resources or are well suited to solve societal ills. I am trained to differentiate GERD from an MI. Not to get some one to stop drinking or get their husband to stop beating them.

Are these things horrible, of course. But just because these unfortunate souls get dumped into the ED, it doesn't (or more correctly stated) shouldn't make it my problem.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that it isn't us
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Then EM is not the career for you.
 
I am trained to differentiate GERD from an MI.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the data shows that we're pretty lousy at that (unless you mean by doing it with serial troponins and a stress test).
 
And I agree with docB - a whole lot of clear dispos and not too many complicated procedures = a good day for me.

IJ's, LP's, paracenteces - these just screw up the flow of my days.

However, at the risk of earning (and I mean earning) the scorn of much of this forum; I also take a lot of pleasure in holding the hand of a psych/med/trauma/whatever patient who is really terrified, looking into his or her eyes, and effectively reassuring him or her in a calm voice. This probably means I went into the wrong field.
 
And I agree with docB - a whole lot of clear dispos and not too many complicated procedures = a good day for me.

IJ's, LP's, paracenteces - these just screw up the flow of my days.

However, at the risk of earning (and I mean earning) the scorn of much of this forum; I also take a lot of pleasure in holding the hand of a psych/med/trauma/whatever patient who is really terrified, looking into his or her eyes, and effectively reassuring him or her in a calm voice. This probably means I went into the wrong field.

I agree as well. I hate central lines with a passion. They just waste so much time.
 
I agree as well. I hate central lines with a passion. They just waste so much time.

Yeah, I don't. I like procedures, because they're fun, and they're a matter of course. It takes me as long to put in a subclavian as is does to speak to the crazy/scared/sick patient about what is going on, what to expect, and why we're going to do our best to help them.

Also, with about every patient, I draw on the sheets. One old lady was rather disturbed, wondering "will they be able to get that out in the wash?" A picture really is worth a thousand words.
 
I hear you. But I work in a law office and the same **** happens - *****s questioning you - DAILY. Take a page from the lawyer I work for (profession and demand replaced):

I'm a doctor. You're not. You don't need an MRI. And you're not getting one.

Then walk away.
I would but then they'd go straight to your law office and sue me.
 
So N=12 ; but so far half of respondents "dread" going to work.........
 
So N=12 ; but so far half of respondents "dread" going to work.........

Slightly more if you equate "unhappiness" with "dread". I'm also curious as to the general geography and demograics that the respondents are dealing with - large city trauma 1 facilities? smaller community level 2 or 3 facilities? rural hospitals? ... and if that has anything to do with burnout/job satisfaction.
 
I was slow to answer because I'm in my first year out (not 5).

For many of the reasons docB listed, I'm not living the pretty pictures in the glossy brochure, either.

I do find, however, that my days are MUCH better when I'm working an 8 hour double coverage shift seeing around 2 - 2.5 well spaced pts per hour than a single coverage 12 hour shift seeing 3 - 4 poorly spaced pph.

Someone else mentioned this in anther thread, but the unnecessary 'bunching' of patients drives me crazy and significantly raises my BP.

Take care,
Jeff
 
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