6 Month Smiles

[CanuckDDS]

Always the same obsolete discourse and money talk from a thread to another. A couple of words for you:

"I said I wasn't surprised from orthos not "sharing their recipes" because the reason is obvious: orthos can see 200 patients a day, start 20 case the same day, and still have time to spend with family, unlike other dental specialists who only have one pair of hands. But here there is a problem; orthos are mostly seen as greedy non-sharing folks and want the GP to refer to them ALL the cases."

Who wrote this? Oh ya, Mo.
Who started with the same old obsolete discourse and bad mouthing a valuable specialty that takes 3 years of training to be competent at? Oh ya, Mo.

- I do not care how much it cost to be an ortho or how much you think I should charge for my ortho. I am talking teamwork and patient care.

Ya, right. Patient care. Mo, if you cared about patients you wouldn't "experiment" on there faces. Please, don't say "teamwork". Because, by that you must mean- ortho's you do all the real hardwork. That is your job on my team.


- Hell sure I am gonna send you the crappy cases, isn't this why you had extensive training and, to speak your language, you're charging double my fees?
So, remind me again the same old obsolete discourse.

- You should really sue that GP who fu*ked up your face when you were a kid or else stop talking about it.
Sure, if being sued for f'n up a kids face is an acceptable outcome to you, awesome- go get'em tiger. My face was treated by an orthodontist, thank you very much. Not someone who doesn't even know what he doesn't know

-Hygienist do NOT do restorative in hygiene school, hence they are NOT to do restorative. Dentists DO ortho in dental school, hence they CAN do ortho. For that reason, your example is as convincing as the rest of your post. Actually, if hygienists start doing restorative it is gonna affect specialists more than GPs because more GPs will seek CE course to do more specialists things, so good luck to you bud.
-Seriously, Good luck.

GP's do ortho in dental school? About as much ortho as hygienists- no? They slap on a few brackets.
I went to dental school. Slapping on some brackets is not "doing ortho". And that is all you do in dental school man, you can't fool me Mo- don't try to make it sound like you were treatment planning all these great ortho cases. Once again, you do not even know how little you know...

I will and have gladly helped any GP that is "stuck" and have even talked them up to their clueless patients. What irks me is when I hear stuff like "diagnosis is not rocket science". Well, people have dedicated 3 years of their life(in my case 6) to making the correct diagnoses, treatment plan, treatment and managing the possible complications of treatment. Don't **** talk a specialty because you think it is "easy".


Oh ya. You can pick up a book or use Pubmed to figure out what is the best ABX to treat something- assuming that is not too much trouble for you. And no you can't bill the patient for taking the time to read said book/article.

Good luck to you my friend. I hope you don't harm anyone beyond repair.

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[monreal]

-The orthodontist in the thread was not offended by me but you were. How sweet!
-You have no idea about my dental school/past experience. If you went to a crappy DS, not my fault.
-Your level of reading comprehension, immaturity, and unprofessionalism have won you a spot in my permanent ignore list. Congratulations!

Mo!

 

[ortho lurker]

Again I do not expect anyone to "teach me" how to raise a flap but if I lost a tooth in the sinus I expect the OS to see my patient and deal with this "accident"

I want to do a bit of everything, but at the same time know that the people I refer to will bail me out. If I break a file once every 2 years I expect my endo guy to say the truth: "this is an accident that happens to anyone"

Similarly I wish I could get on the phone with an ortho asking them why I am getting an openbite using this and that when I am not supposed to... just an idea.

An orthodontist will also glady take over and bail you out of the "accident" of an openbite due to orthodontic tx. An orthodontist can also explain to the the patient that the open bite is due to an accident and can happen to anyone. If you don't expect an oral surgeon to "teach you how to raise a flap", then why would you expect an orthodontist to "teach you how to correct an open bite"? Isn't this called a double standard? I am all for GPs cherry picking their cases and with the latest advancements it's getting easier and easier. But when you get into a mess, all specialists should be considered at your disposal to bail you out.

 

[monreal]

-"Just an idea" means an example over the top of the head. Not an actual accident that happened.
-People, For Belinda's sake! Read carefully and stop putting words in my mouth. Either my English is so freaking poor or you're being intentionally thick! Getting on the phone with an ortho asking him why I am getting an openbite when I am not supposed to does NOT equal to "teaching me how to correct openbite"... OK example: "Hey Angle, I bonded that high canine but I am getting an openbite and the canine is still high" say I. "Rookie mistake! Use a heavy wire" says he. This is different than: "Hey I got a kid with openbite, what should I do? :s". AGAIN do not start discussing this exact damn canine or whatever, it is just a simplified example.

 

[Extract4u]

Nice first post. Two word for you:
- Diagnosis is not rocket science as you folks want everybody to think.
- 6 months braces and short term ortho (I do not do either), such as any other thing in dentistry, work as long as you know their limitations.

One word for everybody else: It surprises me (not really!) how I always get support from endodontists, surgerons, and prosthodontists helping me tackle easier cases, but also explaining to me the difficulties in the cases I should refer to them. However, I am yet to find an orthodontist who say a word more than: "well... send'm over and I'll see what I can do". Go figure.

Monreal you are absolutely right, diagnosis is not rocket science. It is dentofacial analysis. One of my points was that you do not learn proper diagnosis in a weekend, let alone what your limitations are.

Also who mentioned anything about not being willing to support GP's in regards to orthodontics. I have experienced quite the opposite personally. I practiced dentistry several years before going back to residency for Ortho and provided invisalign as a GP. A local orthodontist helped me evaluate my cases prior to starting and helped guide me on what to look out for. All the interactions with him helped solidify my decision to go back to residency. From my experience and the experience of wise clinicians in my area I would say that excellent orthodontia can not be learned in one, two, three, or even four sessions as many clinicians would like to believe.

In regards to comparing prosth, surgery, endo, etc. to ortho surely you know that is comparing apples to oranges in regards to treatment. You just can not fix an orthodontic mistake in one or two settings like you can in regards to prosth/endodontic/oral surgery tx.

Cant wait to read your reply, as I'm sure you have something else to say considering your other posts

 

[Extract4u]

I will and have gladly helped any GP that is "stuck" and have even talked them up to their clueless patients. What irks me is when I hear stuff like "diagnosis is not rocket science". Well, people have dedicated 3 years of their life(in my case 6) to making the correct diagnoses, treatment plan, treatment and managing the possible complications of treatment. Don't **** talk a specialty because you think it is "easy".


Oh ya. You can pick up a book or use Pubmed to figure out what is the best ABX to treat something- assuming that is not too much trouble for you. And no you can't bill the patient for taking the time to read said book/article.

Good luck to you my friend. I hope you don't harm anyone beyond repair.

Couldn't agree more.