signomi said:
Our chiefs felt that any work done after midnight (or before 7:30am) did not count towards work hours. So if your "day off" was supposed to be saturday and you worked all day friday and didn't leave the hospital until 6am saturday, those six hours of work on your "day off" don't count!
The same applied for intern pre-rounding. If an intern came in at 5am to round on his/her 15 patients (plus 3 new admissions overnight), the work from 5-7:30am didn't count as work hours. Hilarious!
Yumpin' Yimini! Did we go to the same program?
The PD got up and said, "The rules are a goal, but the needs of the hospital come first." Ours was 110-120/wk with call around 40 hours and there was no sleeping at all on call. Pre-rounding the same deal. It didn't exist, but Lord help the poor sucker who took it literally and wasn't ready at 7. I had 24 patients, the senior was off (they got their 1/7, come hell or high water and we weren't near New Orleans), 4 were ICU patients from our service and were highly dynamic patients.
One of our chiefs tried the same up to midnight garbage. Fortunately for all of us, an abused off service floater blew the whistle and saved us all from having a day be defined as 12 hours long and 1/7 being defined as 2 blocks of 12 hours sometime during what most people considered a 7 day week. And beware of vacation scams. Frieda used to list vacation in days. Programs count Saturdays and Sundays even though the clinics are closed and there are rules disallowing vacations on call/in-house rotations, so 20 days of vacation could only be taken in 7 day blocks hence 20/7=2 weeks instead of the 4 you were expecting. The Frieda folks apparently got wind of that scam and now they list how many weeks you get off.
Yup, it's about extracting hte maximum labor with the minimum bucks from a captive audience who cannot go anywhere or say anything lest they be banished from medicine $200k in debt, a degree worth absolutely zip without board certification, qualified to work at Wal-Mart.
Our program did not keep hours logs, using the theory, if it didn't get written down, it didn't happen. One or two brave souls who spoke out were made examples of and were gone, almost overnight. Those remaining got the message loud and clear. After living in a large pile of horsemanure you don't notice the stink and the fly bites.
For those who reminisce about the "good old days," things have changed.
Hospital admissions a generation ago were for two weeks, for IV antibiotics, rehap, pulm, cardiac, post-op. The fact that the level of acuity is much higher now is well documented. Stable patients go home and get their IV antibiotics through the visiting nurses.
Now, we have drive through deliveries, home antibiotics, sub-acute step-down hospitals for rehab, a typical admission is 3-4 days, even for major abdominal surgery or an acute MI with cath. These are "active" patients require substantially greater and more proactive care and hence consume much more time than hospitalized patients did even a decade ago. Post-partum patients were kept in the hospital for 4-5 days, now, the only reason some are kept 3 days is because there's a law that says they're entitled at least 24-48 hours of post-partum care.
A patient load of 30 on abx for pneumonia for 10 days is a lot easier to manage than 15 patients who are on ICU stepdown with usually several active issues. And if they don't have several active issues these days, the DRGs and Third party payers say, get them out the door today.
So, youse guys out dere lookin' at programs, make darn sure the program is complying with the spirit and the letter of the rules. IF they're willing to break the work hour rules or fudge, then what are they doing in other areas that are harder to see on a brief interview trail. Also be wary of "plants--residents who are the chosen few. Programs will go out of their way to hide candid residents who while they may actually like the program will point out the pits in the cherries. If everything is milk and honey, then question whether you are being told the whole truth.