A Brewing Bubble?

[atomheart]

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Isn't everything?

Cynical. Almost like we should have made the conversation about the best way to conserve physician income (what the thread was actually about).

 

[atomi]

Not really, you’ve thrown these sideways insults in your posts a few times. I’m not going to stop engaging with you because of it, but we all know what you’re doing.

Yay. We are now in up-is-down world.

Calling someone a liberal who expresses liberal talking points is not an insult. It also hilariously undermines your own belief in the legitimacy of your talking points. If someone called me a conservative, I wouldn't take it as an insult because I am proud of my opinions and can back them up with data and logic.

Seriously. Step away from the computer. Get some fresh air.

 

[762513]

Yay. We are now in up-is-down world.

Calling someone a liberal who expresses liberal talking points is not an insult. It also undermines your own belief in your talking points. If someone called me a conservative, I wouldn't take it as an insult because I am proud of my opinions and can back them up with data and logic.

Seriously. Step away from the computer. Get some fresh air.

I called you a Ayn Randian when you expressed Ayn Rand talking points and you had a bit of a meltdown if I do recall

 

[762513]

This is another non-sequitur with a strawman (you brought up Ayn Rand out of nowhere, and I'm not arguing in her defense and never pretended to) and lots of ad hominem thrown in (her writing style sucks so her philosophy is wrong). If you're interested in having an honest argument please address the topic at hand with facts and reasoned opinions and don't resort to drive-by logical fallacies.

Here it is.

 

[atomi]

I called you a Ayn Randian when you expressed Ayn Rand talking points and you had a bit of a meltdown if I do recall

No, I called you out on using a lame strawman that had nothing to do with anything. Which is what you are doing again.

 

[762513]

No, I called you out on using a lame strawman that had nothing to do with anything. Which is what you are doing again.

Calling someone a “lib” which is a derogatory term for liberal is a straw man too, my dude.

 

[RNtoMD87]

If you mentioned me and ayn rand in the same sentence I would be honored.

I have a problem with anti individual rights progressives being called by a name that means someone who believes in freedom.

 

[atomi]

Calling someone a “lib” which is a derogatory term for liberal is a straw man too, my dude.

Lib is a derogatory term for liberal? Says who?

And, no it's not a strawman. Or an ad hominem. You might want to look those terms up.

 

[762513]

If you mentioned me and ayn rand in the same sentence I would be honored.

She was def a genius, she was just wrong most of the time.

 

[RNtoMD87]

I believe strongly in self reliance, so I’m a big fan. Read every one of her books. As well as works by Friedman, Mises, Hayek, and Rothbard.

 

[762513]

Lib is a derogatory term for liberal? Says who?

And, no it's not a strawman. Or an ad hominem. You might want to look those terms up.

Lib Meaning - What Does Lib Mean?

 

[762513]

I believe strongly in self reliance, so I’m a big fan. Read every one of her books. As well as works by Friedman, Hayek, and Rothbard.

I respect her as an intellectual. I don’t agree with her politically. She’s also a very poor writer, unfortunately.

 

[RNtoMD87]

I agree with her that individual is the smallest minority. I’m a total individualist.

 

[atomi]

Lib Meaning - What Does Lib Mean?

This is absurd.
Lib is a short form of liberal. That’s it. It’s not combined with another word.
If you think lib is a slur then you logically must think liberal is a slur as well.

 

[762513]

This is absurd.
Lib is a short form of liberal. That’s it. It’s not combined with another word.
If you think lib is a slur then you logically must think liberal is a slur as well.

I didn’t create that webpage for the sake of being right in this argument, it’s 4 years old. I think you know and knew it was derogatory. It’s not a big deal, I’m also not as polite on here as i’d like to be at times, and I respect SDN for letting us speak our minds, but don’t pretend you weren’t doing something you were doing. You’ve done it a few times. No big deal tho.

 

[762513]

The trouble is our needs are subjective, no way to objectively look and see who deserves exactly what amount.

The true disabled needs are pretty objective. The problem is all the people in between.

 

[atomi]

I didn’t create that webpage for the sake of being right in this argument, it’s 4 years old. I think you know and knew it was derogatory. It’s not a big deal, I’m also not as polite on here as i’d like to be at times, and I respect SDN for letting us speak our minds, but don’t pretend you weren’t doing something you were doing. You’ve done it a few times. No big deal tho.

Please explain to me how lib is offensive but liberal is not. Use reason and explain it.

What about dems and Repubs? Are those slurs?

Had I used libt*rd or something you’d at least have a semblance of an argument. But it is literally impossible for me to know you would find abbreviation in general offensive or otherwise read your mind and know what random benign word would trigger you.

Also along those lines you cannot possibly pretend to KNOW my intentions. It’s actually offensive to think as such.

 

[762513]

Please explain to me how lib is offensive but liberal is not. Use reason and explain it.

Had I used libt*rd or something you’d at least have a semblance of an argument. But it is literally impossible for me to know you would find abbreviation in general offensive or otherwise read your mind and know what random benign word would trigger you.

Also along those lines you cannot possibly pretend to KNOW my intentions. It’s actually offensive to think as such.

The website exists. More people than me find it derogatory. Calling a Jewish person a Jew is derogatory too. Kind of the same premise. We don’t need to debate something I’ve proven as true with a link I’ve posted. We should just keep on topic of healthcare reform instead.

 

[RNtoMD87]

The website exists. More people than me find it derogatory. Calling a Jewish person a Jew is derogatory too. Kind of the same premise. We don’t need to debate something I’ve proven as true with a link I’ve posted. We should just keep on topic of healthcare reform instead.

Jew is derogatory? Really? @OrthoTraumaMD can you confirm?

 

[atomi]

The website exists. More people than me find it derogatory. Calling a Jewish person a Jew is derogatory too. Kind of the same premise. We don’t need to debate something I’ve proven as true with a link I’ve posted. We should just keep on topic of healthcare reform instead.

So you can’t explain it. Ok. I agree with keeping on topic and getting off the thread derailment you created by making up a new offensive term.

 

[762513]

So you can’t explain it. Ok. I agree with keeping on topic and getting off the thread derailment you created by making up a new offensive term.

Ignoring the almost 5 year old link I posted you is just sort of proving my point that you’re being purposefully offensive and are now just trying to be a troll. I think we can move on now.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Ignoring the almost 5 year old link I posted you is just sort of proving my point that you’re being purposefully offensive and are now just trying to be a troll. I think we can move on now.

Did you even read the link you posted?

liberal
An abbreviation that refers to a person who is liberal on the political spectrum, as opposed to a conservative; often has a demeaning connotation.


Often, not always.

English is hard, I know.

 

[deleted787552]

A mandatory palliative option would be fantastic. I’ve spent years in the ICU watching human suffering. Bring on the death panels.

I know that nobody likes to market death panels but there has to be another reason why we don’t already have this in the US. Other countries have managed to do it without mass uprisings so why haven’t we?

 

[deleted787552]

Doesn't all disability do this? "I have a source of income therefore..." His point was that some people cannot work, therefore it's justified. My point is it's all just a fight for pie slices, regardless of how you justify it, and it's all very nuanced. Some people might see that their needs outstrip others.

When I think of disability, I think of major cognitive (like severe downs) or physical (congenital) ones. Those are the types of people who can’t work and are great candidates for disability. My point was that I don’t get why the other examples (rape survivor, emotional trauma etc) would count under disability. Those are temporary things that people can overcome. There’s no need for people to claim life long disability for it other than to game the system

Jew is derogatory? Really? @OrthoTraumaMD can you confirm?

ortho trauma is Jewish? Never would’ve guessed that

 

[RNtoMD87]

Yeah, not a full blown Jew. Just Jew-ish.

 

[RNtoMD87]

Another example- I have friends I served with that ride that PTSD bs. Some people have it, to the point of being debilitating, but most are full of sh. “please be courteous with fireworks” but had no combat deployment type people. We all got told we had PTSD.

Had a patient a few months back and when he found out I was a combat vet wanted to share stories. Yeah well this guy was full of 7.62 rounds, showing me all of his old war wounds, and had uneven pupils from an explosion during Vietnam. I told him “yeah we got shot at so we lit them up, and it wasn’t even really a fair fight. They were just like cattle for the slaughter. And they were a few hundred yards away so it wasn’t the same as having someone right on you” (hell half of the time it was some kids dropping some mortars on us and running, and an Apache would just do a gun run on em. No direct contact at all.)

As time goes on, the less war is “up close and personal” but some people still try to ride that train.

Now THESE people, that have actually experienced mental trauma, they don’t even mention it to others. He mentioned it to me just incase he woke up and got confused in the night, and was actually embarrassed about it.

 

[RNtoMD87]

I agree. Another thing is people have their perception changed and think that equals mental problems. I think it indicates knowledge. No different than how a doctor or nurse knows certain things to look out for with patients, they become near instinctual.

Every since Iraq, I am more watchful, and feel more vulnerable, but it’s not because I’m afraid, I feel that I’m more aware of would could happen, and how things would happen.

Went to a fancy a la carte burger place yesterday, and asked for a rear table facing the door. A few man bun having wise asses said “were not picky, we will sit anywhere. Doesn’t matter to us. Doesn’t have to be in any particular spot” obviously mocking me, laughing as they said it.

I just bit my tongue. But tactically speaking, their table was in a terrible spot.

 

[OrthoTraumaMD]

I agree. Another thing is people have their perception changed and think that equals mental problems. I think it indicates knowledge. No different than how a doctor or nurse knows certain things to look out for with patients, they become near instinctual.

Every since Iraq, I am more watchful, and feel more vulnerable, but it’s not because I’m afraid, I feel that I’m more aware of would could happen, and how things would happen.

Went to a fancy a la carte burger place yesterday, and asked for a rear table facing the door. A few man bun having wise asses said “were not picky, we will sit anywhere. Doesn’t matter to us. Doesn’t have to be in any particular spot” obviously mocking me, laughing as they said it.

I just bit my tongue. But tactically speaking, their table was in a terrible spot.

Lol I would have totally told them off, but that’s just me. I have very low tolerance for arrogance.

 

[atomheart]

When I think of disability, I think of major cognitive (like severe downs) or physical (congenital) ones. Those are the types of people who can’t work and are great candidates for disability. My point was that I don’t get why the other examples (rape survivor, emotional trauma etc) would count under disability. Those are temporary things that people can overcome. There’s no need for people to claim life long disability for it other than to game the system

This is a society that refuses take care of it's own citizens, instead giving this responsibility to private insurance companies and court systems. Arguing the semantics of disability really is pointless to me. The person could be a maimed war veteran or collateral damage in a school shooting or terrorist attack instead if your imagination is having some trouble... It does not matter, they won't receive any state or federal assistance for care at any point and will need insurance and disability coverage.

 

[762513]

Another example- I have friends I served with that ride that PTSD bs. Some people have it, to the point of being debilitating, but most are full of sh. “please be courteous with fireworks” but had no combat deployment type people. We all got told we had PTSD.

Had a patient a few months back and when he found out I was a combat vet wanted to share stories. Yeah well this guy was full of 7.62 rounds, showing me all of his old war wounds, and had uneven pupils from an explosion during Vietnam. I told him “yeah we got shot at so we lit them up, and it wasn’t even really a fair fight. They were just like cattle for the slaughter. And they were a few hundred yards away so it wasn’t the same as having someone right on you” (hell half of the time it was some kids dropping some mortars on us and running, and an Apache would just do a gun run on em. No direct contact at all.)

As time goes on, the less war is “up close and personal” but some people still try to ride that train.

Now THESE people, that have actually experienced mental trauma, they don’t even mention it to others. He mentioned it to me just incase he woke up and got confused in the night, and was actually embarrassed about it.

It’s normal to have a PTSD experience a few years after the combat event(s). You get therapy, and hopefully you move on. That’s my experience at least.

 

[RNtoMD87]

Lol I would have totally told them off, but that’s just me. I have very low tolerance for arrogance.

I learned it just isn’t worth it, and it didn’t offend me.

Side note- that is the one downside to having a professional license in such a scrutinized field. In the army we would just fall out and fight in our off time (or as a civilian pre army) and there weren’t any big consequences to worry about. You learn to take a lot of crap you never would’ve before.

 

[atomi]

This is a society that refuses take care of it's own citizens, instead giving this responsibility to private insurance companies and court systems.

No, it values individual liberty and gives that responsibility to the citizens. It’s why it’s the single most prosperous and free society in the history of human civilization.

The USSR “took care” of its citizens.
Yay bread lines!
Cuba “took care” of its citizens.
Yay risking death to escape in the middle of the night on rafts made out of 1950s Chevys!
Venezuela “took care” of its citizens.
Yay widespread lack of medicine and food and people literally starving to death on the street and dying from treatable illness!

Bernie Sanders actually said bread lines were a good thing and the citizens of Cuba were happy because they got free healthcare and education.

This man who has never held a real job, produced a service or good anyone would pay for, got kicked out of a commune for being too lazy, and is now revered as a saint by half of young people who are totally cool with pure socialism (and coincidentally have also never had a real job).

 

[atomheart]

No, it values individual liberty and gives that responsibility to the citizens. It’s why it’s the single most prosperous and free society in the history of human civilization.

It's the best place to call each other wrong opinioned snowflakes in the world.

 

[RNtoMD87]

I’ll take it. I can handle words, long as I’m not starving.

 

[deleted787552]

Lol yes I’m a Jew.
No, it’s not derogatory to call a Jew a Jew. We refer to ourselves as Jews.
Also why did you say “never would have guessed that?” Not calling you out or anything, but since this is anonymous online forum, why did you assume I was not Jewish? What about my behavior surprised you? Genuinely curious. I hear things like that all the time... “oh I didn’t think you were jewish.” That assumes that there is a way people think jewish people act, which I find funny because the one thing the Jews are known for (barring the most conservative sects) is integration into various other societies after the diaspora.

Haha I don’t think it has much to do with actions. I just remember seeing you on another post a long time ago and some other user said you were from Georgia or close by and that stuck with me. Someone else once mentioned you were Russian and due to historical views on Jews, I didn’t think you were one. I used to think you were from the Baltics or one of the neighboring countries and since you’re so against socialistic policies, that made sense in my head due to the history of the area. Probably wrong though haha

 

[RNtoMD87]

*Eats popcorn intently

 

[762513]

*Eats popcorn intently