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A 63 year old man with a 4.5 cm infrarenal AAA presents for a open repair.

PMH

1. Diabetes Type 2 since age 40
2. CAD- Coated stent placed in coronary artery 14 months ago for chest pain. No angina now.
3. HTN=Well Controlled
4. GERD- well controlled
5. History low back pain-mild with sciatica

PSH

1. Open Cholecystectomy at age 33 (told he was a dificult intubation by the Resident)

2. Lumbar Laminectomy L5-S1 (no fusion, no hardware)

3. Inguinal Hernia repair (open) age 51 under spinal

Meds:

1. Toprol XL
2. Famotidine BID
3. Plavix (off 7 days)
4. Asa (still taking)
5. Hyzaar
6. Metformin
7. Garlic Tablets

Labs:

Cath from 14 months ago showed mild multi-vessel CAD with a coated stent placed at the Left Circumflex. EF=50% No mild Aortic Stenosis noted.

EKG; NSR rate=62 non specific st/t changes lateral leads. LVH

CXR- no acute disease

hemoglobin=12.8 platelet count=165,000 Creatinine=1.2 Bun=16 K=4.2 Na=136

Glucose=285 (finger stick)

How do you wish to proceed? What is your anesthetic plan?
 
repair at 4.5cm seems premature.
glucose should be better controlled for this elective procedure.


otherwise
1. aline preinduction. 9F introducer post induction.
2. awake FO intubation after a good topicalization
3. 10 rbc and 10ffp + pool plt in blood bank
4. continue beta blockade intraop if hd stable
5. asa + garlic may result in some extra oozing.
 
A Good Start.

So, if you see him in the preop clinic would you recommend better glucose control and no sugery for now? How long until he can schedule his surgery? Is there anything else you want or recommend prior to elective surgery?

The patient's primary care starts him on Glucotrol and that decreases his blood sugar to 180.
Will you proceed now?

If the AAA was 5.5 cm instead of 4.5 cm would you proceed with a high blood glucose of 280?

Would you cancel this case for the blood sugar level? If so, what is your cut-off number and where is the data? The surgeon says start an insulin drip and do the case. How do you respond?
 
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Before deciding to do an awake intubation I would have asked Blade about the airway exam and if he looks like a difficult VENTILATION.
But that's just an opinion.


Thanks Plankton. No his airway exam looks normal except for a short thyromental distance (2.5 fingers). Mallampati Class 2. Normal anatomy. Patient weight=170 Height=6'0" Looks like an easy mask ventilation.
 
A Good Start.

So, if you see him in the preop clinic would you recommend better glucose control and no sugery for now? How long until he can schedule his surgery? Is there anything else you want or recommend prior to elective surgery?

The patient's primary care starts him on Glucotrol and that decreases his blood sugar to 180.
Will you proceed now?

If the AAA was 5.5 cm instead of 4.5 cm would you proceed with a high blood glucose of 280?

Would you cancel this case for the blood sugar level? If so, what is your cut-off number and where is the data? The surgeon says start an insulin drip and do the case. How do you respond?


This case is REAL WORLD stuff. You will need to deal with these situations on your oral board and in the holding area of your practice.

The oral board answer is sometimes different than the real world.

In this case presented do you cancel him if he is in the holding area vs. preop clinic?

What glucose level do you want prior to surgery? Is 180 good enough? What about hemoglobin A1C level?

If the AAA was 5.5 cm would you proceed with the case in the holding area? What would you tell the surgeon? How long until the patient can reschedule his 5.5 cm AAA? If he dies while waiting for a lower blood glucose level is that good Medicine?
 
This case is REAL WORLD stuff. You will need to deal with these situations on your oral board and in the holding area of your practice.

The oral board answer is sometimes different than the real world.

In this case presented do you cancel him if he is in the holding area vs. preop clinic?

What glucose level do you want prior to surgery? Is 180 good enough? What about hemoglobin A1C level?

If the AAA was 5.5 cm would you proceed with the case in the holding area? What would you tell the surgeon? How long until the patient can reschedule his 5.5 cm AAA? If he dies while waiting for a lower blood glucose level is that good Medicine?

Summary

Surgery for small abdominal aortic aneurysms that do not cause symptoms

An aneurysm is a ballooning of an artery (blood vessel), which can happen in the major artery in the abdomen (aorta). The cause is unknown. Ruptured aneurysms cause death unless surgical repair is rapid, which is difficult to achieve. Surgery for patients with aneurysms more than 5.5 cm in diameter or who have associated pain is considered necessary to relieve symptoms and to reduce the risk of rupture and death, although there are risks with surgery. Surgical repair of the aneurysm consists of insertion of a prosthetic inlay graft either by open surgery or by endovascular repair. Small abdominal aortic aneurysms without symptoms are at low risk of rupture. They are monitored through regular imaging so that they can be surgical repaired when they subsequently become bigger.
This review identified two well-conducted, controlled trials that randomised 2026 patients with small (diameter 4.0 to 5.5 cm) asymptomatic aneurysms in the abdominal aorta to have immediate standard open repair surgery or routine ultrasound surveillance every six months. The trials did not show a meaningful difference in long-term survival between the two treatment options. The results indicate that there was no long-term survival advantage with immediate surgery compared to selective surveillance over 3.5 to 10 years follow up. Both trials showed an early survival benefit in the surveillance group because of the 30-day operative mortality with surgery. Trial participants assigned to selective surveillance were followed and surgery was performed if the aneurysm was enlarging, reached 5.5 cm in diameter, or became symptomatic. Some 62% to 75% of these participants eventually had surgical repair of the aneurysm. Neither of the identified trials enrolled a large enough number of patients to investigate possible survival differences between the treatment options for people of different age or with different sized aneurysms. There was insufficient detail to combine the published data from the two trials without having individual patient-level data.



This is a Cochrane review abstract and plain language summary, prepared and maintained by The Cochrane Collaboration, currently published in The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2009 Issue 1, Copyright © 2009 The Cochrane Collaboration. Published by John Wiley and Sons, Ltd.. The full text of the review is available in The Cochrane Library (ISSN 1464-780X).
This record should be cited as: Ballard DJ, Filardo G, Fowkes G, Powell JT. Surgery for small asymptomatic abdominal aortic aneurysms. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2008, Issue 4. Art. No.: CD001835. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD001835.pub2
 
Okay, the patient and surgeon agree to reschedule the surgey. But, they want to know at what glucose level you are willing to proceed with the case. They also ask how long the blood sugar needs to be at this level prior to surgery.

In addition, the patient asks if there are any other concerns you may have about his preoperative condition.

Are there any other medications you would want to consider for this patient to decrease morbidity/mortality?

What about this patient's stent?

What about the garlic? Should he be told to discontinue it prior to surgery? If so, what is your recommendation for the time frame? Don't you want to know why the patient was taking garlic?
 
Is his blood pressure well controlled? And what has his long term diabetes control been like? If you're seeing him weeks ahead in preop clinic, you have time to send him to his PCP to fix these things if need be. And as mentioned, not sure why he needs the AAA repaired right now -- would ask surgeon, but seems like not my decision to make.

Preoperative evaluation (if seen in clinic prior to day of surgery)
- Instruct patient to observe NPO guidelines.
- Instruct patient to take metoprolol and famotidine as usual on day of surgery.
- Instruct patient to hold metformin.
- Instruct patient to stop garlic at the same time he stops clopidogrel.
- Continue aspirin as instructed by cardiologist/surgeon (patient has drug eluting stent, though beyond 12 months since placement).
- Get a blood bank sample.
- Labs: In addition to CBC, and chemistries, would get coags. (Though I expect them to be normal.)
- Consent for general anesthesia with standard monitors, arterial catheter, central venous catheter, plus or minus epidural.
- Airway: Conduct airway exam. Obtain and review anesthetic records of open CCY and the laminectomy. Would anticipate asleep intubation if history and exam suggest the patient should be able to be ventilated with mask or LMA. If history and exam suggest difficult to ventilate / difficult to intubate, would discuss awake intubation with patient.

Anesthetic plan
- I think it's not unreasonable to offer an epidural for post-op pain (plus or minus intra-op use) but this could go either way. (Cons: Recent aspirin use, history of sciatica -- both soft contraindications.)
- Would place a large bore peripheral for induction.
- A-line can go in either before or after induction as long as induction is gentle.
- Would place an introducer as my central venous line. (Can go in after induction.)
- Blood products in room: Oh, let's say, 5 PRBC and 5 FFP with blood bank alerted to stay ahead.
- Cellsaver?
- Vasopressor infusions set up: Phenylephrine. Norepinephrine as back-up.
- Vasodilator infusions set up: Nitroglycerin. Nitroprusside as backup.
- Perioperative FSBG or a-line draws for blood glucose levels. Treat with regular insulin to goal 150 as needed.

Airway
What does his airway actually look like, and did he have a difficult intubation with the laminectomy? Was any more information obtainable about the intubation for CCY? *edit after reading BLADEMDA's airway exam* Looks like he's maskable --> would intubate asleep with backup equipment (LMA, bougie, oral and nasal airways, fiberoptic scope) in the room. Maybe asleep fiberoptic plus or minus a quick look with direct laryngoscopy prior to using the fiberoptic.
 
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The risks of surgery are greater than the risk of rupture in AAA's <5 cm.

Anyone want to stent him? Now or Later?
 
Preoperative evaluation (if seen in clinic prior to day of surgery)
- Instruct patient to observe NPO guidelines.
- Instruct patient to take metoprolol and famotidine as usual on day of surgery.
- Instruct patient to hold metformin and garlic on day of surgery.
- Continue aspirin as instructed by cardiologist/surgeon (patient has drug eluting stent, though beyond 12 months since placement).
- Get a blood bank sample.
- Consent for general anesthesia with standard monitors, arterial catheter, central venous catheter, plus or minus epidural.
- Airway: Conduct airway exam. Obtain and review anesthetic records of open CCY and the laminectomy. Would anticipate asleep intubation if history and exam suggest the patient should be able to be ventilated with mask or LMA. If history and exam suggest difficult to ventilate / difficult to intubate, would discuss awake intubation with patient.

Anesthetic plan
- I think it's not unreasonable to offer an epidural for post-op pain (plus or minus intra-op use) but this could go either way. (Cons: Recent aspirin use, history of sciatica -- both soft contraindications.)
- Would place a large bore peripheral for induction.
- A-line can go in either before or after induction as long as induction is gentle.
- Would place an introducer as my central venous line. (Can go in after induction.)
- Blood products in room: Oh, let's say, 5 PRBC and 5 FFP with blood bank alerted to stay ahead.
- Cellsaver?
- Vasopressor infusions set up: Phenylephrine. Norepinephrine as back-up.
- Vasodilator infusions set up: Nitroglycerin. Nitroprusside as backup.
- Perioperative FSBG or a-line draws for blood glucose levels. Treat with regular insulin to goal 150 as needed.

Airway
What does his airway actually look like, and did he have a difficult intubation with the laminectomy? Was any more information obtainable about the intubation for CCY?


I appreciate your response. I prefer to take this one step at a time. Please address the glucose question as it regards blood level, hemoglobin A1C and length of time the glucose level needs to be in range. What is that range and why?

Second, are you ceratin about your response to his DRUG ELUTING COATED STENT? please verify and provide data.

Third, please provide data the metformin should be discontinued the morning of surgery in this case. In addition, why stop the garlic the morning of surgery? Is that the correct answer?

Fourth, if the patient was on the garlic to help his lipid levels do you want to consider any other medications preoperatively since the surgery is delayed?
 
Discontinue 2 weeks before surgery: consider bleeding risk associated with herb use

OB/GYN News , Sept 1, 2004 by Carl Sherman

NEW YORK -- Herb-using individuals who are at risk of bleeding should be advised to use caution, despite uncertainty about the actual degree of risk that may be involved, Dr. Adrian Fugh-Berman said at a meeting on botanical medicine sponsored by Columbia University and the University of Arizona.
"Actual, theoretical, and fanciful herbal adverse events and interactions infest the medical literature," said Dr. Fugh-Berman of Georgetown University, Washington.
Given the level of uncertainty, it is prudent to check international normalized ratio (INR) of anticoagulated patients 7-14 days after starting any herbal, dietary supplement, or weight-loss regimen. By the same token, all herbs and supplements should be discontinued 2 weeks before surgery, she said at the meeting.
Related Results


In one study, a 10-g dose of ginger decreased platelet aggregation 4 hours later, and a case was reported in which a 76-year-old woman developed nosebleeds and showed changes in INR after eating dried ginger and drinking tea made from it for several weeks. But three clinical studies found that up to 4 g of fresh ginger daily had no effect on bleeding.
Garlic oil has been shown to decrease platelet aggregation for up to 6 hours, and two cases of excessive postsurgical bleeding have been reported in which patients had consumed garlic-laden meals the night before. "Tell patients not to consume meals heavy in garlic within a few days of surgery," Dr. Fugh-Berman advised.
Ginkgolide B, a component of Ginkgo biloba, is a known platelet aggregation factor antagonist, and the herb, alone or with analgesics, has been associated with intracranial bleeding events. Clinical studies, however, found that one standardized ginkgo preparation (EGb761) had no effect on hemostasis, coagulation, or fibrinolysis in healthy men, and another (Bio-Biloba) did not change INR in patients who had been stabilized on warfarin.
BY CARL SHERMAN
 
A 63 year old man with a 4.5 cm infrarenal AAA presents for a open repair.

PMH

1. Diabetes Type 2 since age 40
2. CAD- Coated stent placed in coronary artery 14 months ago for chest pain. No angina now.
3. HTN=Well Controlled
4. GERD- well controlled
5. History low back pain-mild with sciatica

PSH

1. Open Cholecystectomy at age 33 (told he was a dificult intubation by the Resident)

2. Lumbar Laminectomy L5-S1 (no fusion, no hardware)

3. Inguinal Hernia repair (open) age 51 under spinal

Meds:

1. Toprol XL
2. Famotidine BID
3. Plavix (off 7 days)
4. Asa (still taking)
5. Hyzaar
6. Metformin
7. Garlic Tablets

Labs:

Cath from 14 months ago showed mild multi-vessel CAD with a coated stent placed at the Left Circumflex. EF=50% No mild Aortic Stenosis noted.

EKG; NSR rate=62 non specific st/t changes lateral leads. LVH

CXR- no acute disease

hemoglobin=12.8 platelet count=165,000 Creatinine=1.2 Bun=16 K=4.2 Na=136

Glucose=285 (finger stick)

How do you wish to proceed? What is your anesthetic plan?

Go ahead - reasonably optimized for real life, if vitals ok and exercise tolerance good. If he cant walk a few blocks or do house work than prolly needs at least a stress echo - if not cath for high pretest probability. No metformin on day of surgery. Aspirin is surgeons call.

I'd do general, can place preop epidural for post op pain or run it with "light" general - but not too much experience with that and wouldnt try it for first time with this case. Make sure plavix has been off for 7 dyas tho.

PIV, A-line before induction, blood in the room.

If looks like easy mask - minimal opiods on induction with etomidate +/- propofol, confirm mask ventilation - -cant mask then wake up and do it awake (lma if desating - -but sounds like his lungs are ok and can handle a short apnic period). If ventilate ok, either work in some opiods or turn up the vapor, intubate with glydescope or light wand after sux. On the boards I might go straight to awake, given diabetes and underlying gerd in setting of difficult intubation.

PA catheter. If I had a TEE i'd use it, but its prolly overkill in the real world - but would be nice to have in setting of heart dz and atypical resting ecg.

Insulin bolus followed by drip, would have dopamine drip and phenyl drip handy, NTG too I suppose too for volume loading prior to cross clamp release (again, prolly overkill).

Hopefully extubate at end of the case.
 
Anesthesiology:
October 2008 - Volume 109 - Issue 4 - p 9A
doi: 10.1097/01.anes.0000336563.63038.64
This Month In Anesthesiology



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Cardiac Risk of Noncardiac Surgery after Percutaneous Coronary Intervention with Drug-eluting Stents 596

This single-center retrospective study examined the risk for complications of noncardiac surgery (NCS) performed within 2 yr after drug-eluting stent (DES) placement and examined whether this risk of major adverse cardiac events (MACE) changed based on the time between percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) and surgery. The frequency of MACE was not found to be significantly associated with the time between PCI and NCS (rate of MACE 6.4%, 5.7%, 5.9%, and 3.3% at 0-90, 91-180, 181-365, and 366-730 days after PCI with DES, respectively). This study confirms guidelines, which recommend delaying elective NCS for at least 1 yr after DES implantation. See the accompanying Editorial View on page 573

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Time and Cardiac Risk of Surgery after Bare-metal Stent Percutaneous Coronary Intervention 588

This large, single-center retrospective study examined the relationship between complication rate in patients with bare-metal stents (BMS) undergoing noncardiac surgery (NCS) and the length of time between percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) and NCS. Primary endpoints included in-hospital major adverse cardiac events (MACE). The frequency of MACE was 10.5% when NCS was performed less than 30 days after PCI with BMS, 3.8% when NCS was performed between 31 and 90 days after PCI with BMS, and 2.8% when NCS was performed more than 90 days after PCI with BMS. These data indicate that the incidence of MACE is lowest when NCS is performed at least 90 days after PCI with BMS and confirm guidelines, which recommend delaying elective NCS for at least 6 weeks after BMS implantation, and highlight the very high risk of adverse cardiac events if surgery is performed within 30 days of placement of these stents. See the accompanying Editorial View on page 573
 
Go ahead - reasonably optimized for real life, if vitals ok and exercise tolerance good. If he cant walk a few blocks or do house work than prolly needs at least a stress echo - if not cath for high pretest probability. No metformin on day of surgery. Aspirin is surgeons call.

I'd do general, can place preop epidural for post op pain or run it with "light" general - but not too much experience with that and wouldnt try it for first time with this case. Make sure plavix has been off for 7 dyas tho.

PIV, A-line before induction, blood in the room.

If looks like easy mask - minimal opiods on induction with etomidate +/- propofol, confirm mask ventilation - -cant mask then wake up and do it awake (lma if desating - -but sounds like his lungs are ok and can handle a short apnic period). If ventilate ok, either work in some opiods or turn up the vapor, intubate with glydescope or light wand after sux. On the boards I might go straight to awake, given diabetes and underlying gerd in setting of difficult intubation.

PA catheter. If I had a TEE i'd use it, but its prolly overkill in the real world - but would be nice to have in setting of heart dz and atypical resting ecg.

Insulin bolus followed by drip, would have dopamine drip and phenyl drip handy, NTG too I suppose too for volume loading prior to cross clamp release (again, prolly overkill).

Hopefully extubate at end of the case.

I must respectfully disagree with your conclusions. A blood glucose of 280 is simply too high for this BIG elective AAA surgery. If it was a percutaneous case I would think long and hard about proceeding; but, not an open AAA. Please check the recent data. This patient has a FOURFOLD increased risk in his morbidity/motality if we proceed with that glucose level.

Second, academics make a big deal about the PO diabetic meds. They don't matter and we don't bother discontinuing them. The data supports the continuation of Metformin for BIG surgical cases.

Third, I told you he had a CATH 14 months ago and an Echo. He had a Coated Stent placed. He has no angina and no change in his status since last year. No further cardiac work-up is indicated. The use of intraop TEE in this case is a personal decision. It is not required for this patient with an EF=50%; however, if you are concerned about detecting new wall motion abnormalities then by all means use TEE. Most would skip the PA catheter and place a CVP.

Fourth, Patient wants an Epidural for this case. What are your concerns? previous back surgery? What about his Sciatica? What level will you place the catheter? What if you get a bloody tap or bloody catheter? What local (if any) plus narcotic (if any) are you going to use intraop and then postop?

Agree with blood Type and Cross. But, how many units of PRBC and/or FFP? platelets? Tranexamic Acid use?
The surgeon is skilled and EBL should be less than 600.

A-line prior to induction? Why? Good EF, No angina, Stable BP, etc. Is the A line REQUIRED prior to induction? If you don't get the a line on the first or second stick do you keep trying on this case?
 
I appreciate your response. I prefer to take this one step at a time. Please address the glucose question as it regards blood level, hemoglobin A1C and length of time the glucose level needs to be in range. What is that range and why?

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2. If the patient was on the garlic to help his lipid levels do you want to consider any other medications preoperatively since the surgery is delayed?

Anybody care to answer the CORE question of this case? Plus, answer question number 2.
 
Here is what I would do:
1- Blood sugar: If his primary care physician is happy with his overall diabetic management I would not base my decision to proceed or not on a single perioperative blood sugar unless it is ridiculously high (500) or the patient is in DKA.
2- Plavix: 7 days is OK but 14 days would have been better.
3- Garlic: I don't care (Italians eat garlic 3 times a day and most of them don't bleed to death during surgery).
4- Cardiac status: he is as good as he is going to be.
5- Aneurysm size: If him and his surgeon want surgery I don't care if it's 2 cm.
6- He will get a thoracic epidural pre-op and if he gets a bloody epidural or not does not matter.
7- I place all lines pre-op so he will get an A line and a subclavian 3 lumen in the holding area.
8- Blood products: 2 units RBC in the room and 2 in the bank, no FFP.
9- Intra-op: GA.
Post-op: Epidural and let the medical doctor play with glycemic control.
Next case.
 
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Increased preoperative glucose levels are associated with perioperative mortality in patients undergoing noncardiac, nonvascular surgery

[SIZE=+1]Peter G Noordzij, Eric Boersma2, Frodo Schreiner, Miklos D Kertai1, Harm H H Feringa, Martin Dunkelgrun1, Jeroen J Bax3, Jan Klein and Don Poldermans [/SIZE]

Departments of Anesthesiology, 1 Vascular Surgery, and 2 Cardiology, Erasmus Medical Center, Dr Molewaterplein 40, 3015 GD, Rotterdam, The Netherlands and 3 Department of Cardiology, University Hospital Leiden, Leiden, The Netherlands
(Correspondence should be addressed to D Poldermans; Email: [email protected] )
Objective: To determine the relationship between preoperative glucose levels and perioperative mortality in noncardiac, nonvascular surgery.
Research design and methods: We performed a case–control study in a cohort of 108 593 patients who underwent noncardiac surgery at the Erasmus MC during 1991–2001. Cases were 989 patients who underwent elective noncardiac, nonvascular surgery and died within 30 days during hospital stay. From the remaining patients, 1879 matched controls (age, sex, calendar year, and type of surgery) were selected. Information was obtained regarding the presence of cardiac risk factors, medication, and preoperative laboratory results. Preoperative random glucose levels <5.6 mmol/l (110 mg/dl) were normal. Impaired glucose levels in the range of 5.6–11.1 mmol/l were prediabetes. Glucose levels
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11.1 mmol/l (200 mg/dl) were diabetes.

Results: Preoperative glucose levels were available in 904 cases and 1247 controls. A cardiovascular complication was the primary cause of death in 207 (23%) cases. Prediabetes glucose levels were associated with a 1.7-fold increased mortality risk compared with normoglycemic levels (adjusted odds ratio (OR) 1.7 and 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.4–2.1; P<0.001). Diabetes glucose levels were associated with a 2.1-fold increased risk (adjusted OR 2.1 and 95% CI 1.3–3.5; P<0.001). In cases with cardiovascular death, prediabetes glucose levels had a threefold increased cardiovascular mortality risk (adjusted OR 3.0 and 95% CI 1.7–5.1) and diabetes glucose levels had a fourfold increased cardiovascular mortality risk (OR 4.0 and 95% CI 1.3–12).
Conclusions: Preoperative hyperglycemia is associated with increased (cardiovascular) mortality in patients undergoing noncardiac, nonvascular surgery.
 
J Thorac Cardiovasc Surg. 2008 Sep;136(3):631-40. Links

Elevated preoperative hemoglobin A1c level is predictive of adverse events after coronary artery bypass surgery.

Halkos ME, Puskas JD, Lattouf OM, Kilgo P, Kerendi F, Song HK, Guyton RA, Thourani VH.
Clinical Research Unit, Division of Cardiothoracic Surgery, Emory University School of Medicine, Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
OBJECTIVE: Diabetes mellitus has been associated with an increased risk of adverse outcomes after coronary artery bypass grafting. Hemoglobin A1c is a reliable measure of long-term glucose control. It is unknown whether adequacy of diabetic control, measured by hemoglobin A1c, is a predictor of adverse outcomes after coronary artery bypass grafting. METHODS: Of 3555 consecutive patients who underwent primary, elective coronary artery bypass grafting at a single academic center from April 1, 2002, to June 30, 2006, 3089 (86.9%) had preoperative hemoglobin A1c levels obtained and entered prospectively into a computerized database. All patients were treated with a perioperative intravenous insulin protocol. A multivariable logistic regression model was used to determine whether hemoglobin A1c, as a continuous variable, was associated with in-hospital mortality, renal failure, cerebrovascular accident, myocardial infarction, and deep sternal wound infection after coronary artery bypass grafting. Receiver operating characteristic curve analysis identified the hemoglobin A1c value that maximally discriminated outcome dichotomies. RESULTS: In-hospital mortality for all patients was 1.0% (31/3089). An elevated hemoglobin A1c level predicted in-hospital mortality after coronary artery bypass grafting (odds ratio 1.40 per unit increase, P = .019). Receiver operating characteristic curve analysis revealed that hemoglobin A1c greater than 8.6% was associated with a 4-fold increase in mortality. For each unit increase in hemoglobin A1c, there was a significantly increased risk of myocardial infarction and deep sternal wound infection. By using receiver operating characteristic value thresholds, renal failure (threshold 6.7, odds ratio 2.1), cerebrovascular accident (threshold 7.6, odds ratio 2.24), and deep sternal wound infection (threshold 7.8, odds ratio 5.29) occurred more commonly in patients with elevated hemoglobin A1c. CONCLUSION: Elevated hemoglobin A1c level was strongly associated with adverse events after coronary artery bypass grafting. Preoperative hemoglobin A1c testing may allow for more accurate risk stratification in patients undergoing coronary artery bypass grafting.
 
I agree with Plank, one glucose reading doesn't mean anything. If he has a log book with his glucose level then it becomes more interesting, with a 4.5cm AAA the dude has a lot of time to tune his diabetes.
If the 250 is a bump on the road the proceed as usual with an epidural placed between T8-T10.
A lot of studies have followed the Vandenbergh icu study and none have come to a definitive conclusion on perioperative blood glucose.
 
Here is what I would do:
1- Blood sugar: If his primary care physician is happy with his overall diabetic management I would not base my decision to proceed or not on a single perioperative blood sugar unless it is ridiculously high (500) or the patient is in DKA.
2- Plavix: 7 days is OK but 14 days would have been better.
3- Garlic: I don't care (Italians eat garlic 3 times a day and most of them don't bleed to death during surgery).
4- Cardiac status: he is as good as he is going to be.
5- Aneurysm size: If him and his surgeon want surgery I don't care if it's 2 cm.
6- He will get a thoracic epidural pre-op and if he gets a bloody epidural or not does not matter.
7- I place all lines pre-op so he will get an A line and a subclavian 3 lumen in the holding area.
8- Blood products: 2 units RBC in the room and 2 in the bank, no FFP.
9- Intra-op: GA.
Post-op: Epidural and let the medical doctor play with glycemic control.
Next case.


Sir, Is that how you would answer an Oral Board examiner?

1. The data on high preoperative blood glucose is still in its early stages. So, while I wouldn't cancel a routine case based on preop sugars alone a big surgical case with ICU stay should be in a different category. This elective case could safely be rescheduled and potentially decrease the patient's motality. I would prefer a fasting blood glucose of 200 or less. I would use an Insulin drip protocol intraop and post op as recommend by the vast majority of Critical Care Physicians. A fasting blood glucose of 200 or less for two weeks would be a reasonable goal.

The Hemoglobin A1C level is more controversial. However, a level less than 8.5 should be achievable.
The data on cancelling a non Cardiac Surgery based on HgA1C level is hypothetical at this point. Still, I would prefer a AAA Diabetic to be well controlled.



2. Plavix- ASRA recommendation is 7 days. Thousands of Epidural/Spinal placements performed using this recommendation with no complications.

3. Garlic- Definitely NO CANCELLATION based on garlic use; but, if patient were rescheduled would prefer to discontinue with plavix 7 days prior to surgery.

4. Cardiac Status- Agree with you. Patient is ready.

5. AAA size- Patient has an EXPANDING Aneurysm. His AAA went from 3 cm to 4.5 cm in one year. So, he decided just to get it done. Surgeon wanted open procedure instead of stent.

6. Patient has no COPD. Will a high Lumar Epidural work for this case? Yes. If a bloody tap occurs the majority would wait one hour prior to giving heparin.
Some would abandon the epidural after a bloody tap; a few would still place it at another level.

7. Your personal decision to place the lines preoperatively is just that; others would place the lines after intubation. Either of them is acceptable.

8. In this case your blood products are fine. However, if the surgeon was less capable early administration of FFP after a siginificant blood loss may be beneficial.

9. GA- No old records are available. So, having a back-up plan for the airway is reasonable. Awake FOB intubation is probably over-kill in this case.

10. This month's Anesthesiology Journal stresses the importance of glucose monitoring intraop and postop.
Insulin protocol should be started in O.R. or PACU (at the latest) High Intraop glucose levels probably not beneficial to the patient.
 
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I agree with Plank, one glucose reading doesn't mean anything. If he has a log book with his glucose level then it becomes more interesting, with a 4.5cm AAA the dude has a lot of time to tune his diabetes.
If the 250 is a bump on the road the proceed as usual with an epidural placed between T8-T10.
A lot of studies have followed the Vandenbergh icu study and none have come to a definitive conclusion on perioperative blood glucose.

Okay,

But 285 plus on a fasting glucose? What if the patient says his sugars are ALWAYS high (greater than 200)?

He MAY benefit from better preoperative glucose control and replacing his garlic with statin (lipitor) therapy.

Sure, in the real world you don't want to EVER cancel a case. But, maybe this case will give you pause about BIG SURGICAL CASES and high preoperative sugars. Then again, maybe not.
 
I agree with Plank, one glucose reading doesn't mean anything. If he has a log book with his glucose level then it becomes more interesting, with a 4.5cm AAA the dude has a lot of time to tune his diabetes.
If the 250 is a bump on the road the proceed as usual with an epidural placed between T8-T10.
A lot of studies have followed the Vandenbergh icu study and none have come to a definitive conclusion on perioperative blood glucose.
1: Anesthesiology. 2009 Feb;110(2):408-21. Links

Perioperative glycemic control: an evidence-based review.

Lipshutz AK, Gropper MA.
Department of Medicine, Stanford University Medical Center, USA.
Hyperglycemia in perioperative patients has been identified as a risk factor for morbidity and mortality. Intensive insulin therapy (IIT) has been shown to reduce morbidity and mortality among the critically ill, decrease infection rates and improve survival after cardiac surgery, and improve outcomes in acute neurologic injury and acute myocardial infarction. However, recent evidence of severe hypoglycemia and adverse events associated with IIT brings its safety and efficacy into question. In this article, we summarize the mechanisms and rationale of hyperglycemia and IIT, review the evidence behind the use of IIT in the perioperative period, and discuss the implications of including glycemic control in national quality benchmarks. We conclude that while avoidance of hyperglycemia is clearly beneficial, the appropriate glucose target and specific subpopulations who might benefit from IIT have yet to be identified. Given the potential for harm, inclusion of glucose targets in national quality benchmarks is premature.
 
Eur J Vasc Endovasc Surg. 2006 Aug;32(2):188-97. Epub 2006 Mar 31. Links

Haemoglobin A1c (HbA1C) in non-diabetic and diabetic vascular patients. Is HbA1C an independent risk factor and predictor of adverse outcome?

O'Sullivan CJ, Hynes N, Mahendran B, Andrews EJ, Avalos G, Tawfik S, Lowery A, Sultan S.
Department of Vascular and Endovascular Surgery, Western Vascular Institute, University College Hospital, Galway, Ireland.
BACKGROUND: Plasma Haemoglobin A1c (HbA1c) reflects ambient mean glycaemia over a 2-3 months period. Reports indicate that patients, with and without diabetes, with an elevated HbA1c have an increased risk of adverse outcome following surgical intervention. Our aim was to determine whether elevated plasma HbA1c level was associated with increased postoperative morbidity and mortality in patients undergoing vascular surgical procedures. METHODS: Plasma HbA1c was measured prospectively in 165 consecutive patients undergoing emergency and elective vascular surgical procedures over a 6-month period. Patients were categorized into four groups depending on whether their plasma HbA1c was < or =6%, 6.1-7%, 7.1-8% or >8% and clinical data was entered into a prospectively maintained database. Patients were also classified by diabetic status with suboptimal HbA1c in a patient without diabetes being >6 to < or =7% and suboptimal HbA1c in a patient with diabetes being >7%. Patients with plasma HbA1c >7% were reclassified as having undiagnosed diabetes mellitus. Composite primary endpoints were all cause 30-day morbidity and mortality and all cause 6-month mortality. Composite secondary endpoints were procedure specific complications, adverse cardiac events, stroke, infection and mean length of hospital stay. RESULTS: Of the 165 patients studied, 43 (26.1%) had diabetes and the remaining 122 (73.9%) did not. The mean age was 72 years and 59% were male. Suboptimal HbA1c levels were found in 58% patients without diabetes and in 51% patients with diabetes. In patients without diabetes those with suboptimal HbA1c levels (6-7%) had a significantly higher incidence of overall 30-day morbidity compared to patients with HbA1c levels < or =6% (56.5 vs 15.7%, p<0.001). Similarly, for patients with diabetes those with suboptimal HbA1c levels (HbA1c >7%) had a significantly higher incidence of 30-day morbidity compared to those with HbA1c levels < or =7% (59.1% vs 19%, p=0.018). Multivariate analysis revealed that a plasma HbA1c level of >6 to < or =7% was a significant independent predictor of overall 30-day morbidity in patients without diabetes undergoing vascular surgical procedures. No difference in mortality, composite secondary endpoints, procedure specific complications, stroke or mean length of hospital stay was observed between any of the groups in the study. CONCLUSION: Suboptimal HbA1c levels may hold prognostic significance in patients without diabetes undergoing vascular surgery.
 
Would all of you obtain central access for this case?

I would, it's quick low-risk and potentially useful, but one of my attendings does a lot of TCV cases at another hospital (with fast surgeons and more than an academic interest in profit) and says that two big peripheral IVs is fine for an elective repair like this one. He would have looked at this case, said "a-line, 2 PIVs, RBCs in the room, insulin drip in the OR, gentle induction, tube, chart, wakeup, next" ...

Someone else mentioned a PA catheter - why? He has a good EF, no valve problems, and nonobstructive CAD.

My oral board answer would have been to come back another day when your glucose is under 200 and your breath doesn't reek of garlic. Then T&C, a-line + any IV for induction, tube, MAC, chart, wakeup.
 
I agree with Plank, one glucose reading doesn't mean anything. If he has a log book with his glucose level then it becomes more interesting, with a 4.5cm AAA the dude has a lot of time to tune his diabetes.
If the 250 is a bump on the road the proceed as usual with an epidural placed between T8-T10.
A lot of studies have followed the Vandenbergh icu study and none have come to a definitive conclusion on perioperative blood glucose.

In the future a Glucose of 250 in the USA will NOT be a bump in the road. The data is becoming clearer that high blood glucose levels increase morbidity, mortality, wound infection and length of stay.

What we have not determined is how LOW the blood sugar needs to be in order to avoid those "negatives" without causing hypoglycemia. Is 200 good enough? Is 180 better or do we need less than 150?

Possibly Medical patients need a different blood glucose level than surgical patients?

More studies are sure to be coming our way along with CMS requirements for standard of care.
 
Would all of you obtain central access for this case?

I would, it's quick low-risk and potentially useful, but one of my attendings does a lot of TCV cases at another hospital (with fast surgeons and more than an academic interest in profit) and says that two big peripheral IVs is fine for an elective repair like this one. He would have looked at this case, said "a-line, 2 PIVs, RBCs in the room, insulin drip in the OR, gentle induction, tube, chart, wakeup, next" ...

Someone else mentioned a PA catheter - why? He has a good EF, no valve problems, and nonobstructive CAD.

My oral board answer would have been to come back another day when your glucose is under 200 and your breath doesn't reek of garlic. Then T&C, a-line + any IV for induction, tube, MAC, chart, wakeup.

Good Answer👍 But, please add a CVP line just for good measure on the oral board; it doesn't hurt to give the conservative answer.

In the real world the surgeon and you will determine if CVP is needed. My surgeons prefer the CVP for postop use. We keep the CVP line for 24-48 hours and then D/C. However, CVP lines are a MAJOR source of infection and CMS is tracking that data. So, going without the central line unless absolutely needed is a reasonable approach.
 
Hi BlakeMD and Plankton,

Have a quick "real world" question about this case. Can either of you explain to me why one who has shadowed/observed at three large academic anesthesia programs has never seen an awake intubation? (I'm guessing I've seen a few hundred intubations...) I'm talking about P&S in NY (peds anesthesia mostly - maybe that's why) Schneider's in NY (peds also) and major/huge teaching place in South Fl.

Again, I've never seen an awake, so I'm not sure if there's a comfort issue here at all (realizing safety comes before comfort...). I see, (citation) below, awakes are indicated when there's a concern over difficult intubation. (So, no paralytic given ---> failed intubation ----> no issue with ventilation, right?) But, I guess my general questions are:

a) is the gag reflex present in awake intubations, and if so, why wouldn't the patient really want to pull the tube out or fight? how do you handle the fighting patient? (pre-sedation?)

b) does 2% viscous lidocaine lessen the gag reflex?

c) why not paralyze, intubate, manually ventilate if you cannot easily intubate, continue doing so until the paralytic is fully/quickly reversed? (is this path ever chosen/realistic?)

d) I imagine sedation is given, is a RSI induction the chosen course after an awake so the patient goes to sleep fast? or has that ship sailed and it's no rush per se?

e) are awake intubations indicated for children in difficult airway cases? What would the course be if you had, say, a strong 10 y/o autistic child with a REALLY REALLY awful airway that needed non elective (say arm fracture), elective (dental cleaning) or emergent (gun shot) surgeries? You'd think: unconscious induction to avoid the mess, but then what about that REALLY awful airway that may or may not be able to get a tube? (I've seen the chart/paradigm of inductions/recusitations, but I don't recall it dealing with awakes...)

f) lastly, if you can intubate (a presumably poor airway patient) awake and w/o paralytic (im assuming awakes aren't awake AND paralyzed, that would be awful) :scared: , then why not just put that same patient to sleep and try intubating asleep without paralytic before going the whole nine yards?

So, my first day in the OR with Peds Anesthesia I had NO idea patients were even paralyzed, I've come a long way. So, maybe an awake intubation is just no big deal. It just seems somewhat of an ordeal...

I'd love to be enlightened, hopefully you can just shoot back yes/no to many of the questions above, but I'd love to know the logic too. The alternative is I wait 4 years for my answer. 🙁

THANK YOU,
D712


INDIAN JOURNAL OF ANAESTHESIA, AUGUST 2005
AIRWAY MANAGEMENT WITH ENDOTRACHEAL INTUBATION (INCLUDING AWAKE INTUBATION AND BLIND INTUBATION) Dr. Yatindra Kumar Batra 1 Dr. Preethy Mathew J

Awake intubation versus intubation duringanaesthesia -

In the operating room, endotracheal intubation isusually performed after induction of general anaesthesia.The anaesthesiologist must determine whether mask ventilation and intubation will be possible after the patient is anaesthetized and paralyzed. If there is sufficient doubt regarding the patient's airway, awake (conscious) intubation with sedation and topicalization is indicated.The indications for awake intubation include a history of difficult intubation, findings on history or physical examination that can make intubation difficult, and severe risk of aspiration or haemodynamic instability. The reasons for conscious intubation should be explained to the patient and documented in the chart. Primary consideration of safety should be emphasized. c) Direct versus blind Endotracheal intubation is usually performed using direct laryngoscopy to visualize the laryngeal inlet. In conditions where mouth opening is restricted and where the larynx cannot be seen on direct laryngoscopy, the intubation may be done blindly. Blind intubation requires experience for success
 
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Plankton, the case presented was for discussion. The data presented is NEW and what academia seems to be looking at these days.

Perhaps, the rescheduling of this case would be over-kill.
However, now we know the data and the suggestion that hyperglycemia may affect outcome.

At least, a Resident can use the data when responding to an oral board examiner to explain his/her answer:

" I would proceed with the case because the preliminary data suggesting hyperglycemia leads to increased mortality has not been verified in a large controlled study. However, a few smaller studies have suggested a blood glucose level of less than 200 is preferential for major surgical case. I remain unconvinced of that preliminary data. I would however administer insulin intraopertively to lower the blood glucose to the 150-200 range. I know some experts recommend less than 140 but I remain skeptical that such tight glucose control is either necessary or beneficial for the patient."
 
Here is what I would do:
1- Blood sugar: If his primary care physician is happy with his overall diabetic management I would not base my decision to proceed or not on a single perioperative blood sugar unless it is ridiculously high (500) or the patient is in DKA.
2- Plavix: 7 days is OK but 14 days would have been better.
3- Garlic: I don't care (Italians eat garlic 3 times a day and most of them don't bleed to death during surgery).
4- Cardiac status: he is as good as he is going to be.
5- Aneurysm size: If him and his surgeon want surgery I don't care if it's 2 cm.
6- He will get a thoracic epidural pre-op and if he gets a bloody epidural or not does not matter.
7- I place all lines pre-op so he will get an A line and a subclavian 3 lumen in the holding area.
8- Blood products: 2 units RBC in the room and 2 in the bank, no FFP.
9- Intra-op: GA.
Post-op: Epidural and let the medical doctor play with glycemic control.
Next case.

+1 While I wouldn't answer like this on an oral board exam, this is how the real world works and I don't think I'd have a problem doing the case like this
 
Based on what?

Great question. One Author of those studies suggested 2 weeks but without hard data. Maybe, 2-3 months is best for the patient.

Is the hemoglobin A1C actually a better marker? That marker takes 2-3 months for a significant change.

I appreciate you challenging me on that statement. It was perhaps premature.
 
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[FONT=arial, helvetica]BACKGROUND. The value of routine measurements of glycosylated hemoglobin (hemoglobin A1c) in the care of patients with diabetes mellitus is uncertain. We undertook this study to determine whether knowledge of hemoglobin A1c values would result in improved metabolic control in a group of patients with insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (IDDM). METHODS. We randomly assigned 240 patients with IDDM to one of two groups that were comparable in age, sex, duration of diabetes, and initial hemoglobin A1c levels. The patients were followed for a year, and the hemoglobin A1c concentration was measured at three-month intervals. The hemoglobin A1c values were used in assessing glycemic control and modifying therapy in one of the two groups. In the other, care givers were not aware of the hemoglobin A1c levels and relied on blood or urine glucose measurements to monitor treatment. RESULTS. Among the 222 patients still being followed after one year, the mean hemoglobin A1c value decreased significantly--from 10.1 to 9.5 percent (P less than 0.005)--in the group whose hemoglobin A1c level was monitored (n = 115), whereas the initial and one-year values in the control group (n = 107) were 10.0 and 10.1 percent, respectively. The proportion of patients with poor control, defined as those having a hemoglobin A1c value above 10.0 percent, decreased from 46 to 30 percent (P less than 0.01) in the group whose hemoglobin A1c level was monitored but did not change significantly (45 to 50 percent) in the control group. The patients in the group whose hemoglobin A1c level was monitored were seen and their insulin regimens changed more often, but they were hospitalized for acute care of their diabetes less often than those in the control group. A similar decrease in hemoglobin A1c values occurred in the control group in the following year, when their care givers knew their hemoglobin A1c values. CONCLUSIONS. Regular measurements of hemoglobin A1c lead to changes in diabetes treatment and improvement of metabolic control, indicated by a lowering of hemoglobin A1c values. .
 
Perioperative Hyperglycemia Raises Risks Inflammation/Hormones Increase Adverse Outcomes
Ioanna Apostilidou, MD, and Richard C. Prielipp, MD
Hyperglycemia and glucose intolerance are common manifestations of perioperative stress in many hospitalized patients. Diabetic patients have more frequent, more prolonged, and more expensive hospital admissions that result in increased morbidity and mortality than nondiabetics. Diabetic patients also require more frequent surgical interventions and are more often admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU). Moreover, it is common for even nondiabetic surgical and ICU patients to develop acute hyperglycemia during stress. This hyperglycemia is mediated by the release of proinflammatory cytokines (e.g., TNF-alpha and IL-6) and elevated concentrations of catecholamines, growth hormone, glucagon, and glucocorticoids. These mediators induce metabolic alterations in carbohydrate balance that alter peripheral glucose uptake and utilization, increase gluconeogenesis, depress glycogenesis, and induce glucose intolerance and insulin resistance.
Hyperglycemia produces deleterious effects on the immune system, neutrophil function, and on the response to endotoxin. As a consequence, acute hyperglycemia adversely affects patient outcomes. Diabetic patients undergoing cardiac surgery managed with tight perioperative glycemic control have a lower rate of sternal wound infection and hospital mortality.2–4 In a large nonrandomized study, 2,467 diabetic cardiac surgical patients were classified in 2 sequential groups, the control group with “usual” sliding scale insulin glucose control and the study group with continuous intravenous insulin infusion to maintain blood glucose <200 mg/dL.2 Continuous insulin infusion resulted in lower glucose levels and was associated with significantly lower incidence of sternal wound infection (0.8 vs. 2%) and lower postoperative mortality (2.5 vs. 5.3%). In a subsequent analysis of 4,864 diabetic patients who underwent open-heart procedures, the investigators reported that a 3-day continuous insulin infusion that kept glucose levels <150 mg/dL was a key factor in improved outcomes.4 Modulation of the metabolic state during cardiac ischemia and inhibition of lipolysis by insulin stimulates nitric oxide production and may confer cardiac protection. For instance, in a prospective randomized study of 141 coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) patients, Lazar and colleagues found that tight glycemic control (serum glucose, 125–200 mg/dL) decreased the incidence of recurrent wound infections, episodes of recurrent ischemia, atrial fibrillation, and postoperative length of stay.5 Outcome in patients without diabetes undergoing cardiac surgery also improved with tight glycemic control.6–9 An increase of only 20 mg/dL in the mean intraoperative glucose was linked to an increase of more than 30% in adverse outcomes.8
ICU and Similar Patient Groups
Numerous prospective, randomized trials confirm that maintenance of normoglycemia in critically ill patients (plasma glucose between 80–110 mg/dL) improves ICU outcomes.6–14 Euglycemia can be achieved in ICU patients with insulin infusion protocols and reduces
  • <LI class=style1>ICU mortality (–32%) <LI class=style1>in-hospital mortality (–34%) <LI class=style1>serious infections rate <LI class=style1>onset of acute renal failure <LI class=style1>neuropathy
  • duration of ventilatory dependence.10,11
While these benefits are more difficult to document in medical ICU patients,12 it is clear that appropriate use of insulin decreases complications from hyperglycemia associated with the response to acute disease, with or without a direct impact on the primary disease process itself.12–14
Other patients with acute illness and hyperglycemia are also at risk. The Diabetes and Insulin-Glucose Infusion in Acute Myocardial Infarction (DIGAMI 1) study revealed that intensive glycemic control during the peri-infarction period reduced long-term mortality rate (1 year, –28%; 3.4 years, –25%).15 That benefit was evident regardless of the antidiabetic regimen used (DIGAMI 2) emphasizing the importance of maintaining euglycemia.16 Acute stroke patients have higher mortality rates and poorer recovery when blood glucose exceeds 110 mg/dL.17 Thus, evidence supports the use of aggressive insulin protocols to manage hyperglycemia in patients admitted to acute care hospitals for myocardial infarction, stroke, those with a previous diagnosis of diabetes, and those patients undergoing surgery.18,19
Management Caveats
Tight glucose control demands frequent measurement (at least hourly initially) of glucose concentration and a consistent approach to management. Ideally, a glucose control protocol must fulfill these criteria:
  • <LI class=style1>Ability to make rapid, precise, consistent modifications in blood sugar <LI class=style1>Ability to maintain, increase, or decrease blood sugar depending on clinical situation
  • Ability to monitor glucose levels quickly, close to real time with trend detection to allow preemptive glucose management. (See the appendix below for a protocol example from the University of Minnesota.)
The risk of hypoglycemia and difficulty of attaining normoglycemia with a tight glycemic control protocol is an important safety concern in both cardiac and other ICU patients.20 In 2 recent studies, a novel approach, the hyperinsulinemic normoglycemic clamp technique, achieved normoglycemia even during especially high stress such as cardiac surgery. This technique involves a fixed, relatively high-dose infusion of insulin and then uses a variable rate of glucose infusion to “clamp” the blood glucose concentration at an appropriate level.21–23 However, this methodology is incredibly labor and time intensive, too.
Although the methodology for administering insulin and glucose may be debated, the clinical end-point is not. The American College of Endocrinology position statement recommends maintaining blood glucose &#8804;110 mg/dL (<6.1 mM) in intensive care patients to decrease perioperative complications and in-hospital morbidity and mortality.24 Most insulin protocols for ICU patients target glucose levels in the physiologic range of 80–110 mg/dL.10–12 However, we still need to elucidate the exact biochemical mechanisms by which the benefit of normoglycemia is actually conferred.6 Indeed, although insulin is the primary agent available to lower blood sugar, recently available pharmacologic agents, such as the incretin mimetics, amylin and exenatide, which can actually lower glucagon release, may confer metabolic advantages distinct from insulin treatment alone. Other strategies to ameliorate the perioperative “stress response” in surgical patients include interventions like epidural or spinal blockade to reduce catecholamine secretion and improve insulin responsiveness.
In summary, we believe that whenever hyperglycemia and/or insulin resistance occur, early detection and effective insulin therapy is indicated. Clearly, the potential of hypoglycemia remains the most serious safety issue. Recent clinical reports suggest hypoglycemia may be associated with multiple factors, including misunderstanding of the insulin administration protocol, rebound response from concomitant intravenous bolus of corticosteroids, and other complex insulin and drug-patient interactions. Therefore, there is intense interest in continuous glucose level monitoring technology, which promises a means of avoiding, undiagnosed and untreated hypoglycemia. We also await the findings of additional important clinical studies regarding these issues.25
Dr. Apostolidou is Associate Professor of Anesthesiology at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis, MN. Dr. Prielipp is Professor and Chair of the Department of Anesthesiology at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis, MN. Dr. Prielipp is also Chair of the APSF Committee on Education and Training and a member of the APSF Executive Committee.
 
Sir, Is that how you would answer an Oral Board examiner?

1. The data on high preoperative blood glucose is still in its .......

Have you heard of stress induced hyperglycemia?
A patient who comes to you the morning of surgery could have a great control of his diabetes but that morning he:
1- Did not take his oral hypoglycemic.
2- Is nervous, scared and stressed out ---> blood sugar goes up.
Again, if the medical doctor says that the blood sugar has been well controlled (which probably means that the A1c was good) then why do you want to torture the guy further and make things more complicated??

2. Plavix- ASRA recommendation is 7 days. Thousands of Epidural/Spinal placements performed using this recommendation with no complications.
The ASRA says 7 days "minimum" but many clinicians feel that it should be 14 days.
I actually had that discussion at Orlando last year with some very smart people and they all said 7 days is really too short.
I accept 7 days all the times though.

3. Garlic- Definitely NO CANCELLATION based on garlic use; but, if patient were rescheduled would prefer to discontinue with plavix 7 days prior to surgery.

Agree here.

4. Cardiac Status- Agree with you. Patient is ready.

Good

5. AAA size- Patient has an EXPANDING Aneurysm. His AAA went from 3 cm to 4.5 cm in one year. So, he decided just to get it done. Surgeon wanted open procedure instead of stent.
Fine with me.

6. Patient has no COPD. Will a high Lumar Epidural work for this case? Yes. If a bloody tap occurs the majority would wait one hour prior to giving heparin.
Some would abandon the epidural after a bloody tap; a few would still place it at another level
If you get a bloody tap preop the patient anyway is not going to be heparinized until at least an hour later: Go to room, induce anesthesia, prep, make incision, get to the Aorta and get ready to clamp so no need to be scared.

7. Your personal decision to place the lines preoperatively is just that; others would place the lines after intubation. Either of them is acceptable.

I did not tell you you should do what I say, I told you what I would do.

8. In this case your blood products are fine. However, if the surgeon was less capable early administration of FFP after a significant blood loss may be beneficial.
I work with "capable" surgeons.
and I don't give FFP prophylactically.
9. GA- No old records are available. So, having a back-up plan for the airway is reasonable. Awake FOB intubation is probably over-kill in this case.
You should ALWAYS have a backup plan
10. This month's Anesthesiology Journal stresses the importance of glucose monitoring intraop and postop.
Insulin protocol should be started in O.R. or PACU (at the latest) High Intraop glucose levels probably not beneficial to the patient.

I agree, good intraop glucose control is nice and I always do it.
We don't need a study that states the obvious to know that we should have good glucose control intraop but on the other hand we should not start going crazy and canceling cases left and right based on one pre-op blood sugar measurement under stress.

Nice discussion though.
 
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Sure, one high blood sugar should not be the sole reason for cancellation. However, if after a discussion with the patient he states his sugars are usually greater than 200 then the literature presented should give you concern about proceeding.

Would ordering or obtaining a recent HgA1C help?
Most likely, this would show his blood sugar over the past 3 months. Again, at what number would you cancel/reschedule? 7? 8.5? I presented the available data for discussion. I must tell you a FOURFOLD increase in mortality is a huge deal (if accurate).

The residents need to be reminded that after a bloody epidural tap/ bloodycatheter you should wait one hour prior to giving Heparin. Since I sometimes do my Epidurals in the O.R that time interval may delay the surgeon for a few minutes.

There is some data suggesting that after significant blood loss over a short interval of time administration of FFP may be beneficial. At no point do I suggest prophylactic administration of FFP is warranted.
 
Hi BlakeMD and Plankton,

Have a quick "real world" question about this case. Can either of you explain to me why one who has....

OK,
Good questions.
I am probably not going to be able to cover all the answers but I will try my best.
The reason why you have not yet seen any awake intubations is because they are not done very frequently anymore and this is a direct result of the progress in airway management devices and techniques over the past 10 years.
Awake intubation means keeping the patient conscious and breathing spontaneously, it does not mean keeping the gag reflex intact.
The reason why you would want to do an awake intubation is not because you think they are going to be difficult to intubate but rather because you think they will be difficult to ventilate by mask if you induce GA.
Difficult ventilation is the real indication here.
Awake intubation is done after topical anesthesia of the airway and possibly nerve blocks that would abolish the gag reflex and significantly decrease the cough reflex.
So, if you are concerned about aspiration risk (let's say in a patient with small bowel obstruction) then awake intubation is probably not your best option unless you have a high aspiration risk and you also anticipate difficult intubation and difficult ventilation, but even then you might want to do a surgical airway as your first option.
In the case of children with anticipated difficult intubation unless there is an anticipated difficult mask ventilation as well there is no need to awake intubation, you can just put them to sleep and do your favorite intubation technique under anesthesia.
If you are talking about a child with anticipated difficult intubation and ventilation then awake intubation remains the best option with appropriate sedation and airway topical anesthesia.
I will not be able to cover all the aspect of this subject here but if you are interested I suggest that you check one of the text books.
 
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Great Plankton, thanks!

I'll do some HW as well.

D712
 
topicalization and all blocks for an aFOI would take a grand total of 10min.
if this patient has a history of difficult airway - the best predictor of a future difficult airway (better than all the super weak predictors of a physical exam), he should have an awake fiberoptic.

i mean, sure, you could preox give a bit of prop and a touch of succ and take a look with a glidescope or FO. not on the boards though.
 
I must respectfully disagree with your conclusions. A blood glucose of 280 is simply too high for this BIG elective AAA surgery. If it was a percutaneous case I would think long and hard about proceeding; but, not an open AAA. Please check the recent data. This patient has a FOURFOLD increased risk in his morbidity/motality if we proceed with that glucose level.

Second, academics make a big deal about the PO diabetic meds. They don't matter and we don't bother discontinuing them. The data supports the continuation of Metformin for BIG surgical cases.

Third, I told you he had a CATH 14 months ago and an Echo. He had a Coated Stent placed. He has no angina and no change in his status since last year. No further cardiac work-up is indicated. The use of intraop TEE in this case is a personal decision. It is not required for this patient with an EF=50%; however, if you are concerned about detecting new wall motion abnormalities then by all means use TEE. Most would skip the PA catheter and place a CVP.

Fourth, Patient wants an Epidural for this case. What are your concerns? previous back surgery? What about his Sciatica? What level will you place the catheter? What if you get a bloody tap or bloody catheter? What local (if any) plus narcotic (if any) are you going to use intraop and then postop?

Agree with blood Type and Cross. But, how many units of PRBC and/or FFP? platelets? Tranexamic Acid use?
The surgeon is skilled and EBL should be less than 600.

A-line prior to induction? Why? Good EF, No angina, Stable BP, etc. Is the A line REQUIRED prior to induction? If you don't get the a line on the first or second stick do you keep trying on this case?

1) I am answering how Id do it in real life, I would cancel a high sugar on the boards. Next, I have no data to support my claim, but I believe the reason high preop glucose is associated with worse outcomes because this tends to represent poorly controlled diabetics who tend to have worse micro and macro-vascular disease. 280 is well below where I worry about ketoacidosis, hyperosmolar coma, etc, etc - and it is about 100 points above where it might cause an osmotic diuresis - BUT, I feel that I can get that under control with an insulin bolus followed by a drip in short order, therefore I dont see a reason to cancel the case on this alone...but at the same time, I don't think its unreasonable to cancel either. On the subject of A1c, I think that the data will eventually reveal that this is a more useful marker of surgical risk than random am glucose, but again no evidence to support this. If this was true, then it would take (under the very best of circumstances) a few months to reduce the a1c significantly - all while the aneurysm grows

2) You have educated me on something I was pretty sure was true - but I guess I was wrong, thank you.

3) It seems to me that having a cardiac output monitor would be extremly useful in this case because you are cross clamping the aorta in a guy with a significant hx of CAD - I feel that I could choose and titrate my pressors earlier and more effectively with this information along with continous blood pressure (ie I can think of multiple reasons for introp hypotension in this case - I think it would help me distinguish the root cause). I think that having a wedge pressure is also nice as its better than the cvp, but I would put the swan in primarily for cardiac output. And yes, TEE for wall motion abnormalities as well as I think a better monitor for volume status than PA catheter. Again, I dont think its needed in this case, but if it was available I would slip it in. I am suprised that most people wouldnt use a PA cath - maybe with more experience I'll become a bit disillusioned with its utility as well.

4) My concerns are plavix, the sciatica doesnt bother me enough to avoid it for a case like this. I prolly wont use it intraop, but dose it before wakeup. Run whatever the standard solution is at my institution at the time as I dont think it makes a big difference - otherwise I'll use what Ive been primarily trained in 1/8 to 1/16 bupiv with 10-20 dilaudid.

5) Given your surgeon, 4 units of PRBCs in the room, call for ffps if I need them. No emperic platelelts. No Tranexamic Acid - unless the surgeon requests it.

6) No indication for preop a-line, but I have a pa cath to put in and a maybee a black snake down the goose, so knock a few things out now before the surgeon is tapping his toes cause everyone else just puts in a tripple lumen 🙂
 
topicalization and all blocks for an aFOI would take a grand total of 10min.
if this patient has a history of difficult airway - the best predictor of a future difficult airway (better than all the super weak predictors of a physical exam), he should have an awake fiberoptic.

i mean, sure, you could preox give a bit of prop and a touch of succ and take a look with a glidescope or FO. not on the boards though.

Previous histories of difficult intubation are very subjective and unreliable.
You should not need an awake intubation unless you think that the ventilation is going to be difficult based on your own assessment.
On the other hand no one will be able to blame you for wanting an awake intubation on the oral boards although they could take you to the following situation:
Doctor Jeff, you attempted to intubate awake and caused a sudden increase in BP, now the guy just ruptured his AAA, he is in shock but still not intubated, what's the plan??
😀
 
Would nobody rather this guy get a stent? We rarely do open AAA's any longer.

BTW, this was nearly my exact oral board question in room two. If anyone is interested, I passed. Blade, were you my tester?

In this case I agree with just about everyone here. But I'd prefer the pt be off plavix for 10 days due to his ASA and garlic. I'd continue the ASA throughout, however. If not I'd consider doing a spinal with duramorph but would not hesitate to place low thoracic epidural and a light general with a lg bore IV and 2 unit PRBC's and a plts while staying 2 units ahead. I'd place CVP and A-line post-induction.

As far as glucose, I'd rather his HA1C be normalized but if he was at 280 I'd review recent FSBS from PCP records. IF they are all high I'd recommend delaying case but would not insist. Use insulin and dextrose throughout hospital stay as necessary.

Induce GA and intubate, unlikely to be difficult (definitely not the board answer). No PA cath, no TEE.

My drips would be Neo and NTG.
 
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why doesnt anyone like PA caths? Cause its not gunna tell you anything you cant already figgure out?
 
with good topicalization he should not increase his blood pressure. blood pressure during the intubation would be monitored closely via a line and expeditiously controlled with fast acting intravenous agents.



Previous histories of difficult intubation are very subjective and unreliable.
You should not need an awake intubation unless you think that the ventilation is going to be difficult based on your own assessment.
On the other hand no one will be able to blame you for wanting an awake intubation on the oral boards although they could take you to the following situation:
Doctor Jeff, you attempted to intubate awake and caused a sudden increase in BP, now the guy just ruptured his AAA, he is in shock but still not intubated, what's the plan??
😀
 
with good topicalization he should not increase his blood pressure. blood pressure during the intubation would be monitored closely via a line and expeditiously controlled with fast acting intravenous agents.

Jeff--

I disagree. I really dont buy too much into this topicalization business. I've only seen it really work once. I feel like these pts still gag,etc from the pressure receptors that are still being stimulated in these areas.

I've personally used benzocaine spray and given viscous lido thinking this would 'numb' up the area. It still didnt create an environment for a 'smooth' awake FOI.

As a result, I think doing blocks, ie superior laryngeal,etc are important.
 
i agree. blocks are important.
with the technique i use most of my awake fiberoptics are super smooth, fast, and stable.
Jeff--

I disagree. I really dont buy too much into this topicalization business. I've only seen it really work once. I feel like these pts still gag,etc from the pressure receptors that are still being stimulated in these areas.

I've personally used benzocaine spray and given viscous lido thinking this would 'numb' up the area. It still didnt create an environment for a 'smooth' awake FOI.

As a result, I think doing blocks, ie superior laryngeal,etc are important.
 
huh, I have never had a problem w/topicalization. In fact I prefer it over the blocks. I don't really like sticking needles in peoples mouths, etc. I also find that landmarks can be pretty difficult to locate in those w/a thick neck. I can do the blocks if need be, I just have had very good success w/topical, including complete tube tolerance afterwards.

Jeff--

I disagree. I really dont buy too much into this topicalization business. I've only seen it really work once. I feel like these pts still gag,etc from the pressure receptors that are still being stimulated in these areas.

I've personally used benzocaine spray and given viscous lido thinking this would 'numb' up the area. It still didnt create an environment for a 'smooth' awake FOI.

As a result, I think doing blocks, ie superior laryngeal,etc are important.
 
Would nobody rather this guy get a stent? We rarely do open AAA's any longer.

BTW, this was nearly my exact oral board question in room two. If anyone is interested, I passed. Blade, were you my tester?

In this case I agree with just about everyone here. But I'd prefer the pt be off plavix for 10 days due to his ASA and garlic. I'd continue the ASA throughout, however. If not I'd consider doing a spinal with duramorph but would not hesitate to place low thoracic epidural and a light general with a lg bore IV and 2 unit PRBC's and a plts while staying 2 units ahead. I'd place CVP and A-line post-induction.

As far as glucose, I'd rather his HA1C be normalized but if he was at 280 I'd review recent FSBS from PCP records. IF they are all high I'd recommend delaying case but would not insist. Use insulin and dextrose throughout hospital stay as necessary.

Induce GA and intubate, unlikely to be difficult (definitely not the board answer). No PA cath, no TEE.

My drips would be Neo and NTG.

Pretty good answer. My goal on this thread was to bring up the discussion of preop blood glucose levels and hgbA1c. There is data showing possible increased mortality in poorly managed diabetics and the possible need to delay a case based on current literature.

I too think the hgbA1c level will turn out to be the better marker. As of today, there is no consensus as to what that level should be for major elective surgery.
But, a hgbA1c less than 8.5 seems reasonable based on studies. Over time that level will most likely be a bit lower.

Most surgeons would not do an elective case where mortality is increased fourfold due to poor medical management. Even a two fold increase is unacceptable.

With a stent placement I would proceed with the case.
For an open AAA repair on a patient with a high blood glucose level and a high hgbA1c (8.5 or greater) better preoperative glucose management seems prudent even in the PP world.

However, the decision to proceed with this case as of today is not unreasonable based on our limited studies.
But, is it the right thing to do for the patient?
 
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