A good MCAT score for D.O

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At my university any information about DO schools is non-existant. Our career center doesn't even recognize DO schools as organizations in which we can send our letters of rec. SDN really helped me gather information about schools and programs. It also helped me figure out if my stats were competitive, and what to look for in medical school programs when it came time to judging which schools would be the best fit for me.

Of course, keep in mind that some people who post on here ARE neurotic and that their stats are unrealistic for most people. But is SDN completely worthless? No.
 
At my university any information about DO schools is non-existant. Our career center doesn't even recognize DO schools as organizations in which we can send our letters of rec. SDN really helped me gather information about schools and programs. It also helped me figure out if my stats were competitive, and what to look for in medical school programs when it came time to judging which schools would be the best fit for me.

Of course, keep in mind that some people who post on here ARE neurotic and that their stats are unrealistic for most people. But is SDN completely worthless? No.



That's the same for almost every academic forum. Just look at college confidential
 
Get the highest score you can, apply "smart" and "broadly" (see above), and see how things play out. You might be surprised.
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First of all, noody, and I mean NOBODY, can tell you 100% for sure if your GPA, EC's, or MCAT, or any combination thereof, is good enough to get into a school. That is, as long as said GPA, MCAT, and EC's meet the minimum standards to not get screened out...
That being said, there is plenty of evidence to show that regardless of your stats, applying to as many schools as you have a chance at as you can, applying as early as you can, and maintaining a positive attitude through the whole process, will give you better chances.
THAT being said, this whole process can be a real crapshoot. Good luck:xf:
 
Eh, don't listen too much to me. I'm probably wrong and might have misread statistics, but regardless at least in my opinion your list could have probably been better. Also a 4.0 in an SMP and a 32 seems like you should be getting some love.

I'm with you on this one.

This guy went to the USC Global Medicine faux SMP, and took classes with med students.

He speaks well, and seems to interview well.

IMO, his school list sucks.

No offense, Modern Alchemist, but why'd you pick all those schools?

Who's this adviser that told you to apply at these places?
 
The real world isn't anything like SDN. I didn't even get a secondary from the school on my list with the lowest entrance stats. I have an interview at one with the highest. It's a crapshoot no matter how well you analyze it.
 
It's a professional company run by former adcom. I discussed my preferred environment, goals and location with them. I would just like to point out that you 2 have not applied yet. Good job using MSARs and reading around SDN, but welcome to the real world.

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Am I right or am I right?
 
I think most people from sdn get rejected because they think they're too awesome for certain schools and decide that schools should be the ones to applying to them.
 
I think most people from sdn get rejected because they think they're too awesome for certain schools and decide that schools should be the ones to applying to them.

Honestly cole, why shouldn't they be applying to us? We're the shiznit buddy.
 
The real world isn't anything like SDN. I didn't even get a secondary from the school on my list with the lowest entrance stats. I have an interview at one with the highest. It's a crapshoot no matter how well you analyze it.

What's your point? A school like RFU has an average of 3.5/29 and chances are you and all your friends will be rejected if you're not from IL.

It's a professional company run by former adcom. I discussed my preferred environment, goals and location with them. I would just like to point out that you 2 have not applied yet. Good job using MSARs and reading around SDN, but welcome to the real world.

There are students on here who are on ADCOMS, regardless never put your faith in any one person or company or else you'll end up dead in Jonestown.

I think most people from sdn get rejected because they think they're too awesome for certain schools and decide that schools should be the ones to applying to them.

I don't think many people give that off to frequently, then again premeds probably are the most awkward interviewers that they can't resist flaunting their ego.
 
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It's a professional company run by former adcom. I discussed my preferred environment, goals and location with them. I would just like to point out that you 2 have not applied yet. Good job using MSARs and reading around SDN, but welcome to the real world.
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I used the same company as MA and I can vouch for their professionalism, insight, and the overall quality of services that they have provided me with.

One of the first things that the advisors did after an initial meeting was to give us a school list, which was based off of our LizzyM Score. For those of you who don't know what it is, you enter your MCAT, GPA, state of residence in an excel document and it gives you a scaled score. There's a list of every single medical school in the excel spreadsheet and next to each school, it tells you if your LizzyM Score is competitive, hopeful, or a long shot for that specific institution. What I find interesting is that seranade and MDforMee are questioning MA's school list when (1) the program used as a guide for selecting schools was created by LizzyM, one of the most respected members on SDN and someone that actually knows what they're talking about, and (2) that seranade himself referred to the LizzyM score on the first page, suggesting that he thinks it's useful and/or accurate. Anyway, our LizzyM score, along with a discussion of our EC's, specific interests in medicine, and additional work after the bachelor's degree is how we picked the schools we applied to. I assure you both that the school list was well thought out.

Discussing our file in it's entirety (i.e. not just stats) and choosing schools was just part of what they helped with. We also had different advisors/editors for our PS, primary, and secondary essays, and they also helped extensively with interview prep. Every person with whom I have had the pleasure of working with was qualified and experienced with that specific part of the application or that specific school. The physicians in this company, unlike some other people I sought advice from, have actually gone through the application process and were successful. It really was the collaborative advice, experience, and help from everyone I worked with there that, I can say with pride, I'll be in med school in the fall. Actually, since both serenade and MDforMee have yet to apply, I would suggest that both of you look into this company.

Which brings me to my next point, that neither of you have applied to medical school. You can say whatever you want and give advice, but without any backing or personal experience your arguments really don't hold much weight. It's equivalent to say, someone who hasn't seriously started studying for the MCAT, but gives advice to people that are about to take it. Do they mean well? Probably. Do they know some stuff about stuff? Maybe, based on what they've read/heard/seen. Does their advice hold as much weight as someone who took the MCAT and did well? Not in the slightest. Moreover, you guys are critiquing someone who has already been successful this cycle. I don't think I need to draw up another analogy for my point to get across here.

tl;dr - school list was thought out, serenade and MDforMee give med school application advice and critique people that already got in, when they haven't even applied themselves.
 
Serenade what are you basing your seemingly absolute generalizations on? Because you are painting a pretty inaccurate picture...
 
I've never seen it haha. I just think the meme is funny and applicable.

Seriously every episode starts out EXACTLY like that. Stupid old man and his obsession to say completely obvious/corny lines while taking off his glasses and staring off into oblivion. Who ever thought that up needs to be sat down and given a talking to. Ok rant over.
 
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I used the same company as MA and I can vouch for their professionalism, insight, and the overall quality of services that they have provided me with.

One of the first things that the advisors did after an initial meeting was to give us a school list, which was based off of our LizzyM Score. For those of you who don't know what it is, you enter your MCAT, GPA, state of residence in an excel document and it gives you a scaled score. There's a list of every single medical school in the excel spreadsheet and next to each school, it tells you if your LizzyM Score is competitive, hopeful, or a long shot for that specific institution. What I find interesting is that seranade and MDforMee are questioning MA's school list when (1) the program used as a guide for selecting schools was created by LizzyM, one of the most respected members on SDN and someone that actually knows what they're talking about, and (2) that seranade himself referred to the LizzyM score on the first page, suggesting that he thinks it's useful and/or accurate. Anyway, our LizzyM score, along with a discussion of our EC's, specific interests in medicine, and additional work after the bachelor's degree is how we picked the schools we applied to. I assure you both that the school list was well thought out.

Discussing our file in it's entirety (i.e. not just stats) and choosing schools was just part of what they helped with. We also had different advisors/editors for our PS, primary, and secondary essays, and they also helped extensively with interview prep. Every person with whom I have had the pleasure of working with was qualified and experienced with that specific part of the application or that specific school. The physicians in this company, unlike some other people I sought advice from, have actually gone through the application process and were successful. It really was the collaborative advice, experience, and help from everyone I worked with there that, I can say with pride, I'll be in med school in the fall. Actually, since both serenade and MDforMee have yet to apply, I would suggest that both of you look into this company.

Which brings me to my next point, that neither of you have applied to medical school. You can say whatever you want and give advice, but without any backing or personal experience your arguments really don't hold much weight. It's equivalent to say, someone who hasn't seriously started studying for the MCAT, but gives advice to people that are about to take it. Do they mean well? Probably. Do they know some stuff about stuff? Maybe, based on what they've read/heard/seen. Does their advice hold as much weight as someone who took the MCAT and did well? Not in the slightest. Moreover, you guys are critiquing someone who has already been successful this cycle. I don't think I need to draw up another analogy for my point to get across here.

tl;dr - school list was thought out, serenade and MDforMee give med school application advice and critique people that already got in, when they haven't even applied themselves.

I don't think that analogy is fair, but ok. I'll keep my opinions of school lists to myself.
 
There seems to be two schools of thought on SDN for people's chances:

1 average pre-allo forum

If you aren't 3.8+ and 33+ you don't have a good chance. You basically need an above average gpa AND mcat to have a chance at the schools you are applying. It is nearly all stats based and other than having shadowing, clinical experience, and some type of volunteer work ECs are somewhat of an afterthought.

2 average pre-osteo forum
If you can get a 3.0+ for cGPA and sGPA and mid 20s on the mcat you're almost definitely getting in. Many think their situation is incredibly unique and adcoms will overlook dismal academic metrics for <insert excuse>.


The truth is that the admissions process is difficult to understand and probably somewhere between these two extremes. Some people apply well, have good stats and still get the shaft because it is so competitive. Assuming you will beat the odds because everyone else isn't doing it right is magical thinking. It is kind of like the plethora of students who think that they can "study harder" or just "take a prep class" to get their 30+ MCAT. For most this is very difficult to do, scoring higher than 75% of premeds by using the average premed's strategy is as delusional as thinking a 3rd time retake is the same as getting a solid MCAT score the first try.

I have met people with above average stats and mediocre box checking ECs that never got in, SDN says they should have, but they didn't. I have met 4.0 automatons who gained an acceptance despite their pretty obvious lack of social skills. I have met people with below average mcat and gpa, average ECs and a bit of luck who got accepted. But overwhelmingly I have met a lot of absolutely great and well accomplished med students. Like the MCAT (we all thought we we score 33+ right?), until we have gone through it, we just don't understand how tough it is.
 
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i used the same company as ma and i can vouch for their professionalism, insight, and the overall quality of services that they have provided me with.

One of the first things that the advisors did after an initial meeting was to give us a school list, which was based off of our LizzyM score. For those of you who don't know what it is, you enter your mcat, gpa, state of residence in an excel document and it gives you a scaled score. There's a list of every single medical school in the excel spreadsheet and next to each school, it tells you if your lizzym score is competitive, hopeful, or a long shot for that specific institution. What i find interesting is that seranade and mdformee are questioning ma's school list when (1) the program used as a guide for selecting schools was created by lizzym, one of the most respected members on sdn and someone that actually knows what they're talking about, and (2) that seranade himself referred to the lizzym score on the first page, suggesting that he thinks it's useful and/or accurate. Anyway, our lizzym score, along with a discussion of our ec's, specific interests in medicine, and additional work after the bachelor's degree is how we picked the schools we applied to. I assure you both that the school list was well thought out.

Discussing our file in it's entirety (i.e. Not just stats) and choosing schools was just part of what they helped with. We also had different advisors/editors for our ps, primary, and secondary essays, and they also helped extensively with interview prep. Every person with whom i have had the pleasure of working with was qualified and experienced with that specific part of the application or that specific school. The physicians in this company, unlike some other people i sought advice from, have actually gone through the application process and were successful. It really was the collaborative advice, experience, and help from everyone i worked with there that, i can say with pride, i'll be in med school in the fall. Actually, since both serenade and mdformee have yet to apply, i would suggest that both of you look into this company.

Which brings me to my next point, that neither of you have applied to medical school. You can say whatever you want and give advice, but without any backing or personal experience your arguments really don't hold much weight. It's equivalent to say, someone who hasn't seriously started studying for the mcat, but gives advice to people that are about to take it. Do they mean well? Probably. Do they know some stuff about stuff? Maybe, based on what they've read/heard/seen. Does their advice hold as much weight as someone who took the mcat and did well? Not in the slightest. Moreover, you guys are critiquing someone who has already been successful this cycle. I don't think i need to draw up another analogy for my point to get across here.

tl;dr - school list was thought out, serenade and mdformee give med school application advice and critique people that already got in, when they haven't even applied themselves.

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There seems to be two schools of thought on SDN for people's chances:

2 average pre-osteo forum
If you can get a 3.0+ for cGPA and sGPA and mid 20s on the mcat you're almost definitely getting in.
Many think their situation is incredibly unique and adcoms will overlook dismal academic metrics for <insert excuse>.

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He/she was trying to state that that is a false general assumption made by many people that is simplistic

This is correct.

It makes no sense that well below average sGPA, cGPA, and MCAT scores relative to the school = easy acceptance for osteo but not for allo. All things being equal a 3.0/3.0/24 for an newer osteo program is as below average as a 3.2/3.2/28 for mid tier allo program. Obviously there are outliers who get accepted with these stats, but they are the exception.
 
You have to take into consideration that there are a lot of unqualified people applying to med school so that might be a reason why acceptance rates are so low for both M.D and D.O. My friend has a 2.9 GPA and a 19 MCAT and applied to places like Columbia, Duke, etc. He won't even get into D.O school let alone a top M.D program.
 
He/she was trying to state that that is a false general assumption made by many people that is simplistic

I disagree. 3.0 overall/sci and 25 is not competitive for mid-high tier DO, but it is certainly at least around the low end of competitive for the low tier schools- of which there are several.
 
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