A lot of you guys make interviews sound so chill and casual

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or atleast your general trips to the schools

I normally hear stuff like, "The student body seemed great... the interviewers were very nice... I got along great with him/her"

totally unexpected... I'd expect everyone to be complaining

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or atleast your general trips to the schools

I normally hear stuff like, "The student body seemed great... the interviewers were very nice... I got along great with him/her"

totally unexpected... I'd expect everyone to be complaining

i was really surprised by how casual most of my interviews were as well. most the interviewers just wanted to have a conversation about me, my activities, and why i wanted to go into medicine. before i applied, a lot of advisors/peers really scared me about the application process, and i was stunned to find the opposite of what i was expecting.

i think it's good to remember that the interviewers/med students/adcoms are just people too. it helped calm my nerves during the interview day.
 
or atleast your general trips to the schools

I normally hear stuff like, "The student body seemed great... the interviewers were very nice... I got along great with him/her"

totally unexpected... I'd expect everyone to be complaining

i think the days of really stressful interviews are gone...they don't make u feel bad or belittle you... i had one interviewer who grilled me about certain parts of my app...at the time it felt horrible and i was really upset after..but looking back on it i think he was just trying to see if i could handle stress i was still accepted... all of the others ones...were wonderful...they just genuinely wanted to get to see what i was like and if i could speak well and hold a conversation...alot of them were very complimentary even...i have heard horror stories from the docs i work with who are older...but i never came close to anything like what they experienced...

go into the interview prepared...smile alot (if that is what u do normally)...think before you speak...and take your time...they know we are nervous...and be yourself...if u r reserved and shy...try to open up alittle and smile alittle...but don't try to become a comedian and an extrovert...if u r outgoing and smile alot...don't try to become overly serious and reserved...be professional but be yourself... do mock interviews if u have no interview experience...

they already think you are awesome when u go into the interview i think they just now want you to prove it to them...

the student body is nice as well...because they know what this process is like so they are very supportive...
 
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My interviews so far have been extremely relaxed. I have only been asked one question (an ethical one) that I had difficulty with, and they don't expect you to have a CORRECT answer, they just expect you to be able to express your thoughts. 3 of my interviewers have been the nicest people you could ever imagine meeting. One of them literally talked more than I did. They were all very complimentary of my application and scores, and two even pretty much told me, at the end of the interviews, that I would get in.
I didn't do mock interviews or even practice in front of a mirror, although many people find these things helpful. And I haven't spent any time rehearsing answers to questions. I think the best approach is to put some serious thought into a few issues:
1. Why you want to be a doctor
2. What you've done to make sure you want to be a doctor
3. Why you want to go to the school you're interviewing at
4. What makes you unique; your strengths and weaknesses
5. You should have some knowledge about our healthcare system and its problems. Noone has the solution, and they don't expect you to have one either. But you should be able to very briefly discuss the pro's and con's of a few of the potential solutions.
6. Be prepared to address potential weaknesses in your application, (although none of these have come up at my interviews so far; and trust me, it's not because I don't have them)
Other than giving some thought to these things, my approach has been to just try to relax and answer the questions as they come. I think this makes me sound more genuine and less rehearsed, and allows the interviews to fulfill their intented purpose: to get to know who I am.
 
A professor I had who was on an admissions committee told me that all of the research and literature on the effectiveness of various parts of the admissions process has shown that

1) The interview isn't all that informative, and
2) High stress interviews in particular aren't very informative

I think that is why the trend is moving towards low-pressure casual interviews. The point being just to make sure you are capable of having a normal conversation and interact with people in a human way.
 
A professor I had who was on an admissions committee told me that all of the research and literature on the effectiveness of various parts of the admissions process has shown that

1) The interview isn't all that informative, and
2) High stress interviews in particular aren't very informative

I think that is why the trend is moving towards low-pressure casual interviews. The point being just to make sure you are capable of having a normal conversation and interact with people in a human way.
Tell that to one of my interviewers. Then again, I get the impression that he doesn't interview too often. I think they chose a pathologist to interview me because of some of my ECs.
 
Well, everyone here (hopefully) has done an interview before at least once in their life. It helps to have the experience in doing one, or at least practicing with someone who has conducted a lot of interviews. Most schools have programs where you can practice. It should be relativity easy with experience in the back pocket.
 
I haven't been asked a single even remotely difficult or specific question. It makes you wonder how much things like attractiveness or the tone of someone's voice will affect their decision when almost everyone feels they have a great interview at certain places.

Not that I'm complaining, I would wilt under serious pressure.
 
imo the interview process is the easiest part of the entire application processs.

and honestly it should be. The majority of medical professions are geared toward human service. IMO having good interview skills foreshadow good communication abilities that are essential as a physician.
 
imo the interview process is the easiest part of the entire application processs.

and honestly it should be. The majority of medical professions are geared toward human service. IMO having good interview skills foreshadow good communication abilities that are essential as a physician.
The problem is that it's useless. Nearly everyone can fake it for a day.
 
The problem is that it's useless. Nearly everyone can fake it for a day.

very true completely agree.

If i could change the system i would get rid of secondaries and have much longer interviews....a few days much like residency.

That said I was suprised by the amount of people i have seen at various schools who could not fake it for a day. I have met people at interviews who I would never want to be my doctor. But hey I was also the kid who didn't have any friends that were premeds.
 
I haven't been asked a single even remotely difficult or specific question. It makes you wonder how much things like attractiveness or the tone of someone's voice will affect their decision when almost everyone feels they have a great interview at certain places.

Dude me either. And someone was saying how it seems completely useless. I tend to agree. How on earth are they making decisions about us based on 30 minutes of easy questions like "why do you want to be a doctor?" How do they differentiate between us?

I've had some great interviews though. One guy asked me 3 questions, then we spent the rest of the time ragging on the other's football teams (He's a sooner, I'm a Longhorn.)
 
I think out of all of my interviews, my hardest one was the pre-health advisory committee interview :laugh:
 
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a problem for me was that it sometimes felt TOO relaxed. a few times, i got sucked into unrelated conversations that were pleasant and interesting, but had little to do with my candidacy at XX school. i felt like i was talking to a friend and not Bob Smith, MD.

i prefer the direct, more stressful interviews as i stay on top of my game better and never forget to interject comments that would no doubt answer "why this candidate over others?"
 
I agree with Jolie about preferring a slightly stressful interview. The interviews where it's too friendly (aka where you walk out knowing their kids' names and what they're doing) are where you don't sell yourself as hard. If it has that undertone of stress, it is easy to remember to keep selling yourself, which is why you're there in the first place.

For instance, the interviewer zings you with a more difficult question. It is easy to answer back, I rock because of this and that. If he asks you what you like to do for fun, it is hard to answer "I dominate at X, Y, and Z, and this makes me better than your next interviewee!". A bit of stress is good! My first interview was a great, double-scheduled-length conversation with someone I had a lot in common with. It led to a straight up rejection. I just don't think I was able to sell myself as well as I needed to!
 
From what I've heard from my very very limited medical interview experience, and from some people I've meet during my interviews, that it varies regionally, in particular the midwest interviews I went too all were very low stress, most of the stress of each day was brought by the applicants themselves.

however I heard some new york schools have more docs who throw in a little stress.
 
I was also surprised at how laid back all of my interviews were. I had a couple of interesting questions, but all in a very casual tone. They were all just conversations more than anything else. The only school that asked me the typical interview questions was Emory (weaknesses, what field of medicine, what book you read last, ect...). Everywhere else was just really cool and conversational. I remember my UofChicago faculty interviewer took me around the hospital and then we went to a coffee shop to talk some more.
I second whoever said that the mock interview was a lot harder. I was scared after that one-- she gave me like a C as my interview grade, haha.
 
How many things can I address in a single post? I try to say how your observations address things interviewers/schools are looking for, etc.

Jolie South said:
a few times, i got sucked into unrelated conversations that were pleasant and interesting, but had little to do with my candidacy at XX school

-Are you a gunner?
-Are you interesting or are you just wrapped up in your studies?
-Do you establish rapport in conversation?

nomoreplz said:
How on earth are they making decisions about us based on 30 minutes of easy questions like "why do you want to be a doctor?" How do they differentiate between us?

-How enthusiastic are you about this?
-How well do you package yourself (how well can you package a presentation?)

Giddyup5 said:
If i could change the system i would get rid of secondaries and have much longer interviews....a few days much like residency

-Residency interviews are quite often only one day. Fellowship interviews are sometimes longer
-Most residency interviews focus on what questions the candidate has about the program much more so than med school interviews

koko_eats said:
The problem is that it's useless. Nearly everyone can fake it for a day.

-You’d think so, but I think ¼ of interviewees fail to fake it as much as they should

wutwinb said:
i think it's good to remember that the interviewers/med students/adcoms are just people too. it helped calm my nerves during the interview day.

-Yes!
-Yes!
-It’s not always easy coming up with lots of questions to ask an interviewee and the pressure is on the interviewer to stimulate the right kind of conversation, get the right information, and to also sell the school to the applicant

RelativeRisk said:
1) The interview isn't all that informative, and
2) High stress interviews in particular aren't very informative

-Disagree with #1. An effective interview really tells you how the person thinks on their feet, clears up any concerns in the application, and really differentiates between enthusiasm levels.
-Totally agree with #2. High pressure interview yields data on performance under fire in one event and that is it. It throws off your ability to really assess pretty much everything else in the interview.

hra87 said:
I haven't been asked a single even remotely difficult or specific question.

-The difficulty of the question is sometimes hidden. Difficult questions are often ungainly or difficult to use in the interview situation. “Easier” questions often allow the interviewee to feel more comfortable, which in turn does more to expose their true personality. I judge the content, extent, and tone of answers to every question I ask, no matter how simple or complex. People *really* differentiate themselves along that line. Few people are downright bad, but some people honestly do stand out and that can make all the difference.
 
How many things can I address in a single post? I try to say how your observations address things interviewers/schools are looking for, etc.



-Are you a gunner?
-Are you interesting or are you just wrapped up in your studies?
-Do you establish rapport in conversation?

Not a gunner at all. Not even in school at the moment. Have an interesting background that prompts unusual and semi-off-topic questions. i definitely established rapport.
 
Not a gunner at all. Not even in school at the moment. Have an interesting background that prompts unusual and semi-off-topic questions. i definitely established rapport.

! I apologize if I gave the impression that I thought you were those things. I meant to say that the purpose of the laid-back interview you described was generally to flesh out those things.
 
i prefer the direct, more stressful interviews as i stay on top of my game better and never forget to interject comments that would no doubt answer "why this candidate over others?"
You see, you don't have an answer to "why this candidate over others". When you interview, the interviewer is not looking for answers, they're looking at how you carry yourself.

It's good to do all the mock interviews and make a punchlist of points you get across. But the fact is, there is no answer you give that the interviewer is going to say, "Wow! We want this person!" Answers are cheap and easily come by. The value of mock interviewing isn't to rehearse your stock answers; ideally, it is to relax you with the process to the point that you can just be yourself in the interviews.

The interview is mainly for the interviewer to get the sense of you as a person. This is why they're moving to the low stress interview. The high stress interview doesn't tell you much. It tells you what sort of personality a person adopts under stress. This isn't very useful. A low stress interview in which the candidate is being themselves tells you volumes about them.

Don't overthink the interviews. We're not looking for answers, we're looking for qualities. You can try to feed us bullet points, but most interviewers will not care. Be yourself and demonstrate that you're the amazing person your application indicates.
 
You see, you don't have an answer to "why this candidate over others". When you interview, the interviewer is not looking for answers, they're looking at how you carry yourself.

It's good to do all the mock interviews and make a punchlist of points you get across. But the fact is, there is no answer you give that the interviewer is going to say, "Wow! We want this person!" Answers are cheap and easily come by.

The interview is mainly for the interviewer to get the sense of you as a person. This is why they're moving to the low stress interview. The high stress interview doesn't tell you much. It tells you what sort of personality a person adopts under stress. This isn't very useful. A low stress interview in which the candidate is being themselves tells you volumes about them.

Don't overthink the interviews. We're not looking for answers, we're looking for qualities. You can try to feed us bullet points, but most interviewers will not care. Be yourself and demonstrate that you're the amazing person your application indicates.

I'm not saying that there is "an answer," but me rambling on about the intricacies of African cuisine or culture, for instance, isn't going to help my case. The interviews where I felt I did well and ultimately got accepted were the ones where I tried to steer back the derailed conversations and talked more about the lessons learned from my experiences, my goals, my interests etc.
 
I'm not saying that there is "an answer," but me rambling on about the intricacies of African cuisine or culture, for instance, isn't going to help my case. The interviews where I felt I did well and ultimately got accepted were the ones where I tried to steer back the derailed conversations and talked more about the lessons learned from my experiences, my goals, my interests etc.

I think you hit it on the head without realizing it with that comment. The truth is, you DO get points for being able to articulately discuss African cuisine (for the diversity of interest, the ability to speak well, and the ability to think well). However, you get even more points when you use the discussion as an opportunity to let me know how this forms you as a person that is capable of being a great physician.
 
I've never failed an interview! At least not when the interviewer is male! So easy! 😀
 
Then on what basis are people rejected if most interviewees have a wonderful time?
 
Then on what basis are people rejected if most interviewees have a wonderful time?
Lots of reasons, really. If it's open-file, are you a completely different applicant on paper (the one they liked enough to interview) from the one that arrives in the flesh? Was your personal statement all about wanting to save the world and in person you're focusing on nothing more than the school's Derm match rates?

Also, schools are really looking for fit. The most overused word in the premed vocabulary regarding med school admissions is "crapshoot". It's really not. Students with better stats will get denied at a school and a student with lesser stats will get in. This is because the school is looking for fit.

Do you match the school's mission? For instance, some schools are all about providing doctors for their state whereas others are all about research. More important than that is just whether or not med students get the impression "Yes, I want to bleed/sweat/cry with this person for for years" and the faculty interviewers get the impression "Yes, this man/woman is someone I can see working with in 10 years and be proud to call them an Acme U alum."

Really, be yourself. The first thing that will kill you faster than anything is lack of integrity (lying, racism, etc.). But the second will be being a poseur. If interviewers can't get a bead on who you really are, you stand a good chance of a pink slip. And the main reason you can't get a bead on who someone is is because they're trying to be someone they aren't.
 
I'm not saying that there is "an answer," but me rambling on about the intricacies of African cuisine or culture, for instance, isn't going to help my case. The interviews where I felt I did well and ultimately got accepted were the ones where I tried to steer back the derailed conversations and talked more about the lessons learned from my experiences, my goals, my interests etc.
Hey, you can't fault success. Congratulations on your acceptances...

I'm just saying that from an interviewer's perspective, your unedited rambling about the intricacies of African cuisine are going to be much more memorable and probably more telling than any Big Picture Lessons Learned. A good story is always more memorable and tells me more about the interviewee as a person than any navel gazing, which is ultimatley what most interviews are pirmarily composed of.
 
Disagree with #1. An effective interview really tells you how the person thinks on their feet, clears up any concerns in the application, and really differentiates between enthusiasm levels.

Anecdotally this seems correct, but there are studies showing abysmal correlation between interview success and job performance (I'm talking like .1).
 
Anecdotally this seems correct, but there are studies showing abysmal correlation between interview success and job performance (I'm talking like .1).
They're not looking for job performance. They're looking for fit.

Medical schools do not interview people they do not think will succeed in medical school. They got a lot of folks to choose from for that. The interview is to decide if you're the person they want there. Nothing more.

It's the same in the business world. With a few notable exceptions (especially low level), interviews are not to determine whether or not you can do the job. Your resume and references will tell them that. It's whether or not they want you representing the company. Same with med school. They've got your resume and references. Now they want to know you.
 
They're not looking for job performance. They're looking for fit.

Medical schools do not interview people they do not think will succeed in medical school. They got a lot of folks to choose from for that. The interview is to decide if you're the person they want there. Nothing more.

It's the same in the business world. With a few notable exceptions (especially low level), interviews are not to determine whether or not you can do the job. Your resume and references will tell them that. It's whether or not they want you representing the company. Same with med school. They've got your resume and references. Now they want to know you.

"whether or not they want you to represent the company" in the business world IS job performance. The idea of a business not looking for the person who will do the job the best (i.e. make the company the most money) is pretty absurd. If you're in advertising, "a good fit" is very much a part of job performance, the whole thing is based on character. The issue is an interview is a god awful way of determining character.

The point here is that we have a tendency to make blatant character judgements about people from a paucity of evidence. NOTHING demonstrates that better than the weight placed on interviews. That goes for "fit" as well as job performance.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have interviews...applications don't tell you anything either. The methodology used by medical schools to pick among applicants is borderline meaningless. There is a method, so it isn't a total "crap shoot," the issue is that method is very much dependent upon random variation (just take how much mood influences interview performance, or mood influences the perspective an interviewer has or a committee member has when reading an application).

Edit: And I have nothing to be bitter about during this application process, btw.

And I don't mean to sound angry, if I came across that way. I actually ENJOY interviewing, and would love to be an interviewer at whatever school I end up matriculating to.
 
Hey, you can't fault success. Congratulations on your acceptances...

I'm just saying that from an interviewer's perspective, your unedited rambling about the intricacies of African cuisine are going to be much more memorable and probably more telling than any Big Picture Lessons Learned. A good story is always more memorable and tells me more about the interviewee as a person than any navel gazing, which is ultimatley what most interviews are pirmarily composed of.

I can see that. Hearing about research, stocking linens at X hospital, and overcoming o chem difficulties has to get pretty old.

i was just under the impression that the interview would be about me. :laugh: off-topic ramblings were not what i expected. job interviews were never like that. maybe it's also a bit because i'm a "bottom-line, get down to business" type of person.
 
or atleast your general trips to the schools

I normally hear stuff like, "The student body seemed great... the interviewers were very nice... I got along great with him/her"

totally unexpected... I'd expect everyone to be complaining

Everything after the first interview is as easy as you hear on SDN. Your first interview however is another story. Nervousness usually gets the best of people.
 
If you're in advertising, "a good fit" is very much a part of job performance, the whole thing is based on character. The issue is an interview is a god awful way of determining character.
Do you have much business experience? I'm just curious, because if you don't, I think you'll probably find that a lot of emphasis is placed on the interview. Not for file clerk or other entry-level jobs, but for manager and above.

How it works (and this is true in most any sector in business) is that HR has all sorts of metrics laid out. Some use reputation of school, some use years of experience, etc. They fight for more metrics, but execs push for less.

The reason that those who are actually leading the company push for less is that they value the interview. You may think it's a "god awful way of determining character", but you'll find that most folks who have a lot of experience interviewing disagree. It's not the best way of determining character. I suppose using a PI to shadow an applicant for two weeks and run a polygraph would be better. But it's the best method realistically available.
The methodology used by medical schools to pick among applicants is borderline meaningless.
You'll find that it's very much in line with the way any application process works in the real world. The great value placed on quantitative metrics like GPA and SATs and whatnot largely end with the front door of the ivory tower.

Everyone thinks that they can game the interview. Ever notice how everyone is puzzled on SDN that they got a rejection because they did absolutely beautiful on the interview, really sold themselves?

How you think you did on an interview often has very little resemblence to how you actually did. Just because the interviewer nods and smiles as you launch into your story does not mean that the interviewer isn't writing down "pretentious, egotistical".

You might find it meaningless, but believe it or not, it works. The application process most premeds are most familiar with is the undergrad admissions process. Guess what? That is the weird one. Processes like medical school admissions, which is send off a bunch of paper, keep your fingers crossed, then interview? This is the process used by almost every industry and every organization for any hiriing decision you'll see for the rest of your life.

It may be uncomfortable the first time you go through it, but you'll get used to it. And eventually, you'll probably see the value.
 
i was just under the impression that the interview would be about me. :laugh: off-topic ramblings were not what i expected. job interviews were never like that. maybe it's also a bit because i'm a "bottom-line, get down to business" type of person.
I definitely hear that. And it sounds like you did the right thing, whether you rambled or not.

I think the lesson out there for those who are still looking at interviewing is that while you may be more comfortable staying on target, if the interviewer seems to be trying to steer you more away, run with it. They're obviously hearing something they like.
 
Do you have much business experience? I'm just curious, because if you don't, I think you'll probably find that a lot of emphasis is placed on the interview. Not for file clerk or other entry-level jobs, but for manager and above.

How it works (and this is true in most any sector in business) is that HR has all sorts of metrics laid out. Some use reputation of school, some use years of experience, etc. They fight for more metrics, but execs push for less.

The reason that those who are actually leading the company push for less is that they value the interview. You may think it's a "god awful way of determining character", but you'll find that most folks who have a lot of experience interviewing disagree. It's not the best way of determining character. I suppose using a PI to shadow an applicant for two weeks and run a polygraph would be better. But it's the best method realistically available.

You'll find that it's very much in line with the way any application process works in the real world. The great value placed on quantitative metrics like GPA and SATs and whatnot largely end with the front door of the ivory tower.

Everyone thinks that they can game the interview. Ever notice how everyone is puzzled on SDN that they got a rejection because they did absolutely beautiful on the interview, really sold themselves?

How you think you did on an interview often has very little resemblence to how you actually did. Just because the interviewer nods and smiles as you launch into your story does not mean that the interviewer isn't writing down "pretentious, egotistical".

You might find it meaningless, but believe it or not, it works. The application process most premeds are most familiar with is the undergrad admissions process. Guess what? That is the weird one. Processes like medical school admissions, which is send off a bunch of paper, keep your fingers crossed, then interview? This is the process used by almost every industry and every organization for any hiriing decision you'll see for the rest of your life.

It may be uncomfortable the first time you go through it, but you'll get used to it. And eventually, you'll probably see the value.

I think you're completely mis-characterizing both what I said and why I said it. My complaint isn't that I don't like interviews, or think they're uncomfortable, or think quantitative metrics are better (If I were a school I would definitely pick someone who was interesting with lower stats over someone boring with high stats), or even that there are better ways than an interview to pick an applicant (I'm not sure there are). My point was merely that an interviewer should not take the interview as a definite example of a person's character (like you said, writing down pompous, arrogant, etc. These things simply cannot be determined in an hour).

On the topic of business interviews, again that wasn't at all what I was getting at. I'm not saying that businesses don't place emphasis on interview, I'm saying precisely the opposite--that they DO place an ENORMOUS emphasis on interview, and that they take the interview to be be indicative of job performance (which in something like advertising or even a managerial position, is highly dependent upon the skills that people think are being tested in an interview, e.g. how well people get along with others). My point is that the interview simply isn't indicative of job performance in a particularly appreciative extent and that this emphasizes that the interview does not do an in any way reasonable job of determining character traits in people. A correlation of .1 is barely more than what would be expected from random chance, and so you can say that all an interview is able to do is judge people who are complete misanthropes or psychopaths or something. But among the vast majority of people, an interview cannot differentiate them.

When i say the methodology used is almost meaningless does not mean I have in mind any conception of an adequate methodology. In fact, I'm quite skeptical about whether one is reasonably possible. I realize people can't tell how well they did on interviews, and so on and so forth. I realize that everywhere uses a similar process as medical schools. But I disagree when you say it works, because the simple fact is all the evidence available (and there have been numerous studies on this and other things related) shows that it does not work, and that everyone thinks they do. Again, I'd like to emphasize that I have nothing to be bitter about in terms of rejections post-interview, I enjoy interviews, etc. But when people say, "oh, you can tell this or that about a person, if you do an interview, you'll know," they are deluding themselves about our ability to judge another person's character. That's why they say "first impressions count," etc. Because people jump to conclusions, taking no evidence at all (something like a person's hairstyle) to say something about their character. Interviewers need to be vigilant of these problems.
 
i prefer the direct, more stressful interviews as i stay on top of my game better and never forget to interject comments that would no doubt answer "why this candidate over others?"

Every time someone would ask my how an interview went I would think about it and say, "Well, I have no idea!" With the stressful ones, at least it's a bit more obvious if you're doing well/average/poorly.

I think a few times I said that I wished they were more stressful, just to have a better picture of how I did. Of course, I probably would never have said any such thing if I had had any hot seat interviews.
 
My point was merely that an interviewer should not take the interview as a definite example of a person's character (like you said, writing down pompous, arrogant, etc. These things simply cannot be determined in an hour).


You really should read Blink by Malcolm Gladwell or anything by Paul Ekman. Gladwell and Ekman (and many other distinguished scientists) would argue that a person's character (whatever that means) can be evaluated with just a 15 second thin slice of them speaking. And if you really think people can't be determined as pompous or arrogant with just an hour interview, you really need to visit any bar in the greater Los Angeles metropolitan area.

Looking to the future, I predict the AMCAS will include a video section with student answers to a predetermined question within the next twenty years.
 
I think you're completely mis-characterizing both what I said and why I said it. My complaint isn't that I don't like interviews, or think they're uncomfortable, or think quantitative metrics are better (If I were a school I would definitely pick someone who was interesting with lower stats over someone boring with high stats), or even that there are better ways than an interview to pick an applicant (I'm not sure there are). My point was merely that an interviewer should not take the interview as a definite example of a person's character (like you said, writing down pompous, arrogant, etc. These things simply cannot be determined in an hour).

On the topic of business interviews, again that wasn't at all what I was getting at. I'm not saying that businesses don't place emphasis on interview, I'm saying precisely the opposite--that they DO place an ENORMOUS emphasis on interview, and that they take the interview to be be indicative of job performance (which in something like advertising or even a managerial position, is highly dependent upon the skills that people think are being tested in an interview, e.g. how well people get along with others). My point is that the interview simply isn't indicative of job performance in a particularly appreciative extent and that this emphasizes that the interview does not do an in any way reasonable job of determining character traits in people. A correlation of .1 is barely more than what would be expected from random chance, and so you can say that all an interview is able to do is judge people who are complete misanthropes or psychopaths or something. But among the vast majority of people, an interview cannot differentiate them.

When i say the methodology used is almost meaningless does not mean I have in mind any conception of an adequate methodology. In fact, I'm quite skeptical about whether one is reasonably possible. I realize people can't tell how well they did on interviews, and so on and so forth. I realize that everywhere uses a similar process as medical schools. But I disagree when you say it works, because the simple fact is all the evidence available (and there have been numerous studies on this and other things related) shows that it does not work, and that everyone thinks they do. Again, I'd like to emphasize that I have nothing to be bitter about in terms of rejections post-interview, I enjoy interviews, etc. But when people say, "oh, you can tell this or that about a person, if you do an interview, you'll know," they are deluding themselves about our ability to judge another person's character. That's why they say "first impressions count," etc. Because people jump to conclusions, taking no evidence at all (something like a person's hairstyle) to say something about their character. Interviewers need to be vigilant of these problems.

I disagree with parts of the first two bolded statements and agree with the third.

An interview is not an absolute example of a person's character. It does not provide all that could be known about the person. That make sense. However, the interviewee is not "surprised" by suddenly being in an interview. They are aware that they are there for the interview. As such, they have a responsibility to convey the character traits they feel represent their suitability. While this might seem to devolve into a bunch of people just pretending to be something, the reality is that (1) people are horrible actors and (2) failure to demonstrate positive qualities is a serious red flag. The end result is that meaningful information IS derived from the interview.

Edit: If an undesirable personality trait comes across in 30-60 minutes, that is a BIG red flag. If a positive personality trait comes across in that same timespan, that is a definite strength.
 
Anecdotally this seems correct, but there are studies showing abysmal correlation between interview success and job performance (I'm talking like .1).

I can find random articles making this claim, but I could only find actual studies supporting the opposite.

Edit: Several articles in the journal Academic Medicine seem to suggest that the med school interview is fairly predictive of success and evaluations later on. It seems like most of the anecdotal comments suggesting a poor correlation are in the context of random businesses with people who are not well trained in interviewing or in areas where their criteria are a bit nebulous. Med schools have been at this for years and have a particular professional framework within which to operate.
 
Edit: Several articles in the journal Academic Medicine seem to suggest that the med school interview is fairly predictive of success and evaluations later on. It seems like most of the anecdotal comments suggesting a poor correlation are in the context of random businesses with people who are not well trained in interviewing or in areas where their criteria are a bit nebulous. Med schools have been at this for years and have a particular professional framework within which to operate.
Yeah, I'm not sure why folks are viewing this as controversial.

MCAT are looked at becaues they tend to be a good predictor of how applicants will do on the Step 1 (both standardized tests, no big suprise).

Interivews are used because they can be a good predictor of of how applicants will do on clerkships (both subjective faculty evaluations, no big suprise).

Throughout life you will be judged subjectively by people who are basing their judgments on a criteria they will use after a relatively short exposure. This will be true in medicine or in any field. Life is not always about scantrons...
 
I can find random articles making this claim, but I could only find actual studies supporting the opposite.

Edit: Several articles in the journal Academic Medicine seem to suggest that the med school interview is fairly predictive of success and evaluations later on. It seems like most of the anecdotal comments suggesting a poor correlation are in the context of random businesses with people who are not well trained in interviewing or in areas where their criteria are a bit nebulous. Med schools have been at this for years and have a particular professional framework within which to operate.

Ross, L., and Nisbett, R.E. 1991. The person and the situation. Philadelphia: temple university press. 136-138

Hunter, J.E., and Hunter, R.F. 1984. "Validity and Utility of Alternative Predictors of Job Performance." Psychological Bulletin 96: 86, 90

On perceived expectatons of interviews: Kunda, Z., and Nisbett, R.E. 1986. "The Psychometrics of Everyday Life." Cognitive Psychology. 18: 212-214

On actual correlation: Mischel, W. 1965. "Predicting the Success of Peace Corps Volunteers in Nigeria." Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 1: 514

I cited the relevant pages within the articles, not the pages of the articles themselves. I can also cite maybe a dozen more articles on other situations where people develop very strong characterizations of others based on very little evidence.

Could you please provide me with a citation fo the articles you found, I can't seem to find them.

Edit: Wait, found them. Interesting, I just looked at the abstracts, but after (a very late) breakfast), I'll read the full articles (assuming I can access them).
 
The problem is that it's useless. Nearly everyone can fake it for a day.
If nearly everyone could, then why do so many people get post-interview rejections? I can tell that some of my classmates faked it for a day, but not that many.
 
I can find random articles making this claim, but I could only find actual studies supporting the opposite.

Edit: Several articles in the journal Academic Medicine seem to suggest that the med school interview is fairly predictive of success and evaluations later on. It seems like most of the anecdotal comments suggesting a poor correlation are in the context of random businesses with people who are not well trained in interviewing or in areas where their criteria are a bit nebulous. Med schools have been at this for years and have a particular professional framework within which to operate.

Ross, L., and Nisbett, R.E. 1991. The person and the situation. Philadelphia: temple university press. 136-138

Hunter, J.E., and Hunter, R.F. 1984. "Validity and Utility of Alternative Predictors of Job Performance." Psychological Bulletin 96: 86, 90

On perceived expectatons of interviews: Kunda, Z., and Nisbett, R.E. 1986. "The Psychometrics of Everyday Life." Cognitive Psychology. 18: 212-214

On actual correlation: Mischel, W. 1965. "Predicting the Success of Peace Corps Volunteers in Nigeria." Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 1: 514

I cited the relevant pages within the articles, not the pages of the articles themselves. I can also cite maybe a dozen more articles on other situations where people develop very strong characterizations of others based on very little evidence.

Could you please provide me with a citation fo the articles you found, I can't seem to find them.

Edit: Found them...very intersting, I've never seen any study showing this.

Edit2: if the interviews are not blinded, then there may be a flaw in their methodology. I'll read the full article after (a very late) breakfast.
 
Ross, L., and Nisbett, R.E. 1991. The person and the situation. Philadelphia: temple university press. 136-138

Hunter, J.E., and Hunter, R.F. 1984. "Validity and Utility of Alternative Predictors of Job Performance." Psychological Bulletin 96: 86, 90

On perceived expectatons of interviews: Kunda, Z., and Nisbett, R.E. 1986. "The Psychometrics of Everyday Life." Cognitive Psychology. 18: 212-214

On actual correlation: Mischel, W. 1965. "Predicting the Success of Peace Corps Volunteers in Nigeria." Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 1: 514

I cited the relevant pages within the articles, not the pages of the articles themselves. I can also cite maybe a dozen more articles on other situations where people develop very strong characterizations of others based on very little evidence.

Could you please provide me with a citation fo the articles you found, I can't seem to find them.

Edit: Found them...very intersting, I've never seen any study showing this.

Edit2: if the interviews are not blinded, then there may be a flaw in their methodology. I'll read the full article after (a very late) breakfast.

I'm too lazy to post... if you just go to the journal Academic Medicine (there is a website, it is the official journal of the AAMC) you can easily find scores of articles on this topic. Like I said, there seems to be a disconnect between analyses in the business world and those in the medical world.

EDIT: Could not get a copy of any of those articles, so I do not know what their interviewing methods were. I've been on job interviews before and they are usually very untelling. My medical school interviews were much different and much more focused on identifying certain things. I would suspect that non-med school data would not be appropriately translated to the med school interview. A physician essentially spends his/her career in a series of interviews with patients and other physicians.

EDIT #2: Some med school interviews suck (judged by things I've seen in some threads here), so none of my support for the interview is universal -- it is dependent on the interviewer understanding what to look for and what types of questions to ask.
 
I'm too lazy to post... if you just go to the journal Academic Medicine (there is a website, it is the official journal of the AAMC) you can easily find scores of articles on this topic. Like I said, there seems to be a disconnect between analyses in the business world and those in the medical world.

EDIT: Could not get a copy of any of those articles, so I do not know what their interviewing methods were. I've been on job interviews before and they are usually very untelling. My medical school interviews were much different and much more focused on identifying certain things. I would suspect that non-med school data would not be appropriately translated to the med school interview. A physician essentially spends his/her career in a series of interviews with patients and other physicians.

EDIT #2: Some med school interviews suck (judged by things I've seen in some threads here), so none of my support for the interview is universal -- it is dependent on the interviewer understanding what to look for and what types of questions to ask.

Some of these look pretty legit. But even within this journal there is lots of conflicting information. Look at this:

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Medical school and residency performances of students admitted with and without an admission interview.

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Academic Medicine. 66(8):474-6, August 1991.
Smith, S R
Abstract:
In 1982 the Brown University Program in Medicine eliminated the personal interview from its process of selecting applicants for admission to medical school. This study compares the 113 M.D.-program students admitted to the first three classes (entering between 1983 and 1985) without an interview with the 67 students in the previous three classes admitted with an interview. The students' characteristics were essentially the same with respect to the preadmission variables, the proportions of women and minority students, course performances, scores on Parts I and II of the National Board of Medical Examiners examinations, and evaluation scores from residency program directors. This study offers additional evidence that the selection interview, as practiced in most U.S. medical schools, does not contribute to the predictive validity of the admission process.

(C) 1991 Association of American Medical Colleges



All in all, this has convinced me that I overexaggerated this problem, and gives me more confidence in the interview process (which is nice).
 
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