A PCOM med student without integrity

[docbill]

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This thread has gone on and on about something very little.

Once we all become Doctors we can argue about integrity. Untill then we are nothing but pre-meds trying to get accepted (some already did).

Hypethetically speaking.

If I had an interview at my first choice school. I know what they want to hear... they know what they want to hear to satisfy the phil /moto of the school... I would tell it to them.

IF THEY WHERE SERIOUS ABOUT EVERYONE GOING PRIMARY CARE. THEY WOULD MAKE US SIGN A CONTRACT AND ELIMINATE ALL POSIBILITY OF GOING INTO ANY OTHER RESIDENCY. The dean can refuse to write us a letter.

 

[DD214_DOC]

exactly. and if the school interviews a very small number, as some schools do, you could argue that the interview is even more important, because they have only chosen to interview students who they feel are statistically worthy of acceptance. i seriously doubt any school takes the time to interview students they have no intention of accepting. towards the later part of the interview season, some schools may continue to interview students exclusively for waitlists, but thats different. having a really bad interview may in fact be the only way to not get an acceptance in some cases, once you get to that point, particularly in the earlier months. the dean of umdnj-som told us that last year less than 300 people were interviewed for the 97 spots in the class, of those only 11 or 12 people were actually rejected. the rest were either accepted or wait-listed.

I'll tell you this much. Someone on here was interviewed at a DO school and was waitlisted ... because his MCAT was below the average of the school. My point was that if you have a strong numbers, then the interview doesn't really mean that much.

Maybe I'm just bitter, but I was given positive feedback during my interview. Both my interviews gave very positive visual signs for my answers. They said I had an advantage because of my background. They said they could see I had the qualities of a good physician. They rejected me outright. Now tell me that isn't ****ed up somehow and it wasn't eventually the numbers that decided my fate.

 

[PublicEnemy]

I'll tell you this much. Someone on here was interviewed at a DO school and was waitlisted ... because his MCAT was below the average of the school. My point was that if you have a strong numbers, then the interview doesn't really mean that much.

Maybe I'm just bitter, but I was given positive feedback during my interview. Both my interviews gave very positive visual signs for my answers. They said I had an advantage because of my background. They said they could see I had the qualities of a good physician. They rejected me outright. Now tell me that isn't ****ed up somehow and it wasn't eventually the numbers that decided my fate.

yeah man, i followed your story on here closely, somethings up. i pmed you earlier. definitely everything matters, everything is factored in, and the interview too.

 

[DD214_DOC]

yeah man, i followed your story on here closely, somethings up. i pmed you earlier. definitely everything matters, everything is factored in, and the interview too.

Well, I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I just don't think it matters as much if your numbers are good.

Oh well, I needed a break from school anyways. If I don't get in next year with a 3.41/3.33 GPA and a 25+ MCAT, something is seriously messed up.

 

[docbill]

Well, I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I just don't think it matters as much if your numbers are good.

Oh well, I needed a break from school anyways. If I don't get in next year with a 3.41/3.33 GPA and a 25+ MCAT, something is seriously messed up.

That is not the way Sagitarians talk... well maybe we do.. then we pick ourselves up and get back into the fight. Consider your options... keep fighting to improve your application and update the schools you applied to... it is not too late. Pick up some research experience.. pick up a new/redo a course... write a better essay.. keep pushing. I don't know how old you are... but I am sure one more year is not the end of the world.

 

[smc927]

IF THEY WHERE SERIOUS ABOUT EVERYONE GOING PRIMARY CARE. THEY WOULD MAKE US SIGN A CONTRACT AND ELIMINATE ALL POSIBILITY OF GOING INTO ANY OTHER RESIDENCY. The dean can refuse to write us a letter.

My original point had nothing to do with committing to go into primary care. Of course any school knows its students will specialize. Even D.O. schools, which emphasize primary care. D.O.s in specialties is a good thing. My original point focused not on committing to primary care but lying because one thinks that is what the adcom wants to hear.

 

[PublicEnemy]

i feel like i'd be lying if i didn't say this is frivolous, and i don't want to come accross like i don't have integrity.

anyways, i think we all get the point. to each his own.

 

[hotdawg]

Bottom line. Do what you're comfortable with and don't worry about anyone else.

You'll be able to figure out who has integrity and who doesn't and you'll be able to show how you feel by referring patients to those physicians you see as true professionals.

Anything else is a waste of your time.

-J

yo, that was spot on.

though i know a lot of people i dont even like as people who get into schools everwhere. who knows man. i guess you just try to be the best you can, and hopefully don't get screwed for it (unless someone's buying you dinner that is) 🙄

 

[Khenon]

I'll tell you this much. Someone on here was interviewed at a DO school and was waitlisted ... because his MCAT was below the average of the school. My point was that if you have a strong numbers, then the interview doesn't really mean that much.

Maybe I'm just bitter, but I was given positive feedback during my interview. Both my interviews gave very positive visual signs for my answers. They said I had an advantage because of my background. They said they could see I had the qualities of a good physician. They rejected me outright. Now tell me that isn't ****ed up somehow and it wasn't eventually the numbers that decided my fate.

I absolutely do not want to start an argument with this, but after looking on mdapplicants it seems that many people get into DO schools with quite low GPA and MCAT scores (ie below 3.5 and below 25). Do you think this is scewed (sp?)? I guess I felt like numbers weren't as important to DO schools, and as long as you could demonstrate you were capable of handling the curriculum they weren't going to get hung up on numbers. So, naturally, I assumed what really mattered (beyond some "minimum" cutoff, which seemed to be pretty low) was one's personality, motivations, and intentions. All of which would come out during the interview (well, I guess some of that would come out in the application itself). Anyway, I don't know your story, but it definitely sounds like you got screwed. I'm just hoping you're not right about the numbers issue (if you click on "My Profile" you'll understand why). Best of luck to you. I hope things work out.

 

[domsport]

When I was at an interview at a "rural" program, I attended a class after the interview. The class was small in size maybe 40 students. Everyone was very friendly and as I sat down in class, the professor stopped class to ask me how my interview went...It was really nice that everyone was soooo supportive and interested. However, He jokingly asked me in front of the class (while giggling) if I told the interviewers the "magic words" that I wanted to be a "rural appalachian family doctor" and the whole class began to laugh. It was a funny experience and shows that everyone is very well aware (including the faculty) that there is a slight game to be played! I'm not saying it's right or wrong... just that it is happening.

 

[NYCDawg81]

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[Khenon]

Number 2, khenon, my sister is a gates millenium scholar too! lol That makes you cool in my book. I feel a bond.

She is?! That's awesome! Good for her. It's a great scholarship. Yeah, I'm still involved with GMS now too. I was one of the inagural (sp?) recipients of the scholarship, so I was also one of the first alumn. So I got invited to their conference this year, which included the first annual "Alumni Summit." I was really proud to have been only one of 20 people invited to the DC conference. I'm also mentoring 2 GMS students . . . that was one of the programs that was started during our Summit; an "e-mentoring" program. I'm really excited about it. Is your sister still in school? Well, I wish her the best, and I hope she takes advantage of the scholarship and goes to graduate school. They pay for the whole thing, so she may as well. And, Yes, I feel a bond as well! Anyway, it's great to hear about others who have gotten the scholarship. I put it on my profile, hoping others would recognize it. We're trying to spread the word about it, so more people can have the opportunity to apply. Well, I'll stop babbling about GMS. It's just been one of my "pet projects" lately, so I'm kind of motivated about it. PM me if you or your sister have any questions about GMS or the scholarhsip. I'd love to help. Take care.

 

[smc927]

Who cares?

I'm sure you've stretched the truth a little at some point in your life to get what you want.

Honest question -
Do you think a person who was willing to lie - even if it was seemingly insignificant - to get what he wanted, to get into med school, would be more willing to lie as a doctor to get what he wanted from his patient? If that person, as a doctor, were with a patient would he bend the information on treatment options, etc, to get the patient to choose what he, as a doctor, feels is the best option?

I do not believe it is reasonable to say a person can lie about small things and it doesn't matter. Is it possible that this student lied about his future goals just to get in, and that it will have absolutely no impact on his future mores? Perhaps. But it is far more possible, as demonstrated throughout our society, that small things will lead to big ones. We should guard against the small things to more easily prevent the big ones.

I think that perhaps a medical student should trust that the admissions committee actually knows what they are doing, even if they are imperfect.

 

[smc927]

I can't sit by and watch this anymore. The student in question is one of the most kind hearted and sincere people that I know not to mention near the top of the class. To see this person publically branded like this is a complete pharse. The amount of social work and dedcation that this person has towards medicine is unparamount. You would be well served to have this person as a colleague. I'm not condoning what was said during the interview but isnt the interview basically "toliet training at gun point?" We all say things in the heat of the moment and to call this person a liar based upon that brief moment is a joke. So can we please put this name calling and finger pointing to rest? None of us, as future physicians, have the room to judge ANYONE. Keep that in mind.

Best of luck to all during this application cycle and warmest wishes during the holiday season.

PS I have no ill intention towards anyone in this post.

Thanks