AAEM Position on APPs

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Notice why the CT surgery mid-levels do floor stuff? They're not second assist in the OR.

I agree with you, but this is incorrect. There are plenty of PAs second and first assisting in the OR in CT surgery. They mostly do the vein harvesting.

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[Greoric]

11 year old account, second post ever is to bump a five month old thread and post about how AI is going to take over medicine? nice.

I've been on the internet since before I could even read and every single year it's constantly stated how AI and/or automation is going to takeover X. This year is always the year!

The world is about the same. Sure, factories and warehouses are more automated. Sure there's a couple cars finally that can drive themselves after thirty years, but it's not widespread and is a long way off from automating transportation completely, let alone getting into healthcare. '

The biggest barrier for automation and AI isn't technology, it's litigation and regulation.

Yeah, that wasn't an attempt to make an argument or speculation. It was just a statement of an observable reality. Whether its on a time scale of 1 year (almost impossible) to 5 years (still unlikely) to 30 years (getting likely); the invention of AGI is going to happen. It's effectively a winner take all prize, thus the stratosphere level of incentive, and has implications that spread past medicine or its employment by people (in the most complete sense possible); hence my personal interest on something that it isn't ever addressed with any real depth.

Ultimately, its not an if but when question, because there's nothing that prevents a machine from collecting and interpreting data, and at the end of the day professional employment is just a function of data processing. Human consciousness or empathy need not apply.

 

[WilcoWorld]

Yeah, that wasn't an attempt to make an argument or speculation. It was just a statement of an observable reality. Whether its on a time scale of 1 year (almost impossible) to 5 years (still unlikely) to 30 years (getting likely); the invention of AGI is going to happen. It's effectively a winner take all prize, thus the stratosphere level of incentive, and has implications that spread past medicine or its employment by people (in the most complete sense possible); hence my personal interest on something that it isn't ever addressed with any real depth.

Ultimately, its not an if but when question, because there's nothing that prevents a machine from collecting and interpreting data, and at the end of the day professional employment is just a function of data processing. Human consciousness or empathy need not apply.

This is probably not the best place for this discussion, because I doubt most of us on this forum know the difference between GOFAI and AGI, and still fewer of us are familiar with the arguments of Philosophy of Mind and the nature of consciousness that bear on the possibility/impossibility of AGI. So I don't want to derail the thread to talk about a pet topic of mine, but...

That said, you are stating a speculation as if it were a certainty. The possibility of AGI is NOT a foregone conclusion. I'm not saying that it will never happen, but that may be the case - it remains an open question. And with respect to your "statement of an observable reality" - while our computational powers have continued to grow exponentially since the time of Turing, we've blown past multiple predicted dates of AGI's inevitable success yet its realization remains beyond our grasp.

 

[hundreddaysoff]

I've been on the internet since before I could even read

Just curious... what did you do on the Internet before you could even read? Do you think it helped you?

Honest question. My 4 month old seems to like it, but I'm kind of at a loss as to how precisely to entertain him with it. Sadly, the Internet did not come to me until 1994, well after I could read.

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[d2305]

When will computers become sentient? If ever.