ABA announces 5 year recertification window instead of 10 year

[nimbus]

It is board certified/eligible that is the requirement. Generally have 3 years after residency to get certified or you are no longer eligible. If you are no longer eligible to be boarded, you probably won't be getting paid.

I really don’t think that’s true. I work with a cardiac surgeon who is not board certified. Judging by his house and cars, he has no problem getting paid. I’m an NBE advanced testamur but I’m not board certified in echo and I have never had a problem getting paid for echo interpretation. In fact the director of our echo lab is a board certified cardiologist who does not have echo boards. I don’t think he has any problem getting paid for the thousands of echos he reads every year either. We’ve had partners who had problems getting their anesthesia boards too. They eventually did but it never affected their ability to bill and collect.

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[MirrorTodd]

It is board certified/eligible that is the requirement. Generally have 3 years after residency to get certified or you are no longer eligible. If you are no longer eligible to be boarded, you probably won't be getting paid.

I thought we had 7 years.

 

[narcotics999]

It is board certified/eligible that is the requirement. Generally have 3 years after residency to get certified or you are no longer eligible. If you are no longer eligible to be boarded, you probably won't be getting paid.

I had two coworkers in the previous gig who are not certified (they are not new graduates). I don't think their cases were not reimbursed.

 

[Mman]

I really don’t think that’s true. I work with a cardiac surgeon who is not board certified. Judging by his house and cars, he has no problem getting paid. I’m an NBE advanced testamur but I’m not board certified in echo and I have never had a problem getting paid for echo interpretation. In fact the director of our echo lab is a board certified cardiologist who does not have echo boards. I don’t think he has any problem getting paid for the thousands of echos he reads every year either. We’ve had partners who had problems getting their anesthesia boards too. They eventually did but it never affected their ability to bill and collect.

As far as I know you can get grandfathered in if you were credentialed a while ago, but 100% of our contracts required BC/BE status for anybody more recently.

 

[Mman]

I thought we had 7 years.

I thought it was 3, but I could be wrong. Quick google search isn't giving me the answer.

 

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[nimbus]

At certain facilities, one may have problems getting privileges without board certification but the payors don’t really seem to care.

For example, Blue Shield requires board certification OR successful completion of residency. UHC does not require board certification. Aetna says they check board certification OR the highest level of training at the training facility but does not explicitly state that board certification is required. I have never heard of a doctor who was denied payment by an insurance company because of their board certification status.

https://www.aetna.com/dsepublicContent/assets/html/content.html?resource=medical-credentialing

https://msrha.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/credentialing_faq.pdf

Credentialing requirements

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[nimbus]

As far as I know you can get grandfathered in if you were credentialed a while ago, but 100% of our contracts required BC/BE status for anybody more recently.

I was never officially certified in echo so “grandfathering” is irrelevant. I was paid for echos even before I ever took an NBE exam. Many people practice as perpetually BE and no one cares.

 

[nimbus]

I thought we had 7 years.

I think in reality we have forever. The only people who might take action is your employer or your hospital but even that is unlikely if you do a good job. Remember CRNAs practicing independently are getting paid by insurance companies for thousands of cases every single day.

 

[Mman]

I was never officially certified in echo so “grandfathering” is irrelevant. I was paid for echos even before I ever took an NBE exam. Many people practice as perpetually BE and no one cares.

I was referring to anesthesia services, not echo, in terms of grandfathering in people.

 

[Mman]

I think in reality we have forever. The only people who might take action is your employer or your hospital but even that is unlikely if you do a good job. Remember CRNAs practicing independently are getting paid by insurance companies for thousands of cases every single day.

Further perusing from ABA website does indicate I was wrong about 3 years, you have 7 years. If you are not board certified after 7 years you are no longer eligible to sit for boards and have to get additional residency training.

 

[nimbus]

I was referring to anesthesia services, not echo, in terms of grandfathering in people.

I’ve had a permanent certificate since 1998. Never did MOCA and don’t plan to. So I am grandfathered and still officially board certified. But there are anesthesiologists from my generation who were never board certified, never did additional training, still work and still get paid.

 

[deleted126335]

I’ve had a permanent certificate since 1998. Never did MOCA and don’t plan to. So I am grandfathered and still officially board certified. But there are anesthesiologists from my generation who were never board certified, never did additional training, still work and still get paid.

Except many of them will have a hard time if they need to change jobs with credentialing on a new medical staff.

 

[nimbus]

Except many of them will have a hard time if they need to change jobs with credentialing on a new medical staff.

Yes absolutely true. But it happens at the medical staff or employer level. And if the facility is desperate, the application will be pushed through and the chief will sign off.

 

[Mman]

I’ve had a permanent certificate since 1998. Never did MOCA and don’t plan to. So I am grandfathered and still officially board certified. But there are anesthesiologists from my generation who were never board certified, never did additional training, still work and still get paid.

but I think that is because they got credentialed with the insurance company a long time ago and grandfathered into it. Kinda like how they started requiring pain fellowships to reimburse for pain procedures. I think if those docs moved to a different state and tried to get credentialed with a new insurer that it wouldn't work.

 

[pgg]

I’ve had a permanent certificate since 1998. Never did MOCA and don’t plan to. So I am grandfathered and still officially board certified. But there are anesthesiologists from my generation who were never board certified, never did additional training, still work and still get paid.

The fail rate for the ABA exam in the mid-late 90s was over 50%. Presumably some of those guys eventually passed. Every time I hear about permanent certificates and grandfathered 90s grads, those are the guys I think of.

 

[nimbus]

but I think that is because they got credentialed with the insurance company a long time ago and grandfathered into it. Kinda like how they started requiring pain fellowships to reimburse for pain procedures. I think if those docs moved to a different state and tried to get credentialed with a new insurer that it wouldn't work.

Almost everybody gets credentialed with insurance companies before they are board certified. I posted several links from insurance companies saying board certification is not required.

 

[nimbus]

The fail rate for the ABA exam in the mid-late 90s was over 50%. Presumably some of those guys eventually passed. Every time I hear about permanent certificates and grandfathered 90s grads, those are the guys I think of.

That’s not the point. People are saying you need to be board certified in order to get paid and that is not true. All those board failures and never boarded people still get paid. If someone has an insurance contract that has language requiring board certification, show me.

 

[IMGASMD]

I thought we had 7 years.

8 for these few cycles, because of covid.