Abstract Publication?

[glossymatte]

I will be doing a poster presentation in a few weeks for a project that I have been working on. In addition, all abstracts for projects presented at this conference are published and is viewable online. Would I be able to list these both as a poster presentation & publication? Or, should I leave it as just a poster presentation and write somewhere in the description that the abstract was also published? (I will be first author, if this makes any difference)

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[JustAPhD]

Just poster. Most large conferences publish their abstracts online. Doesn't make them publications though.

 

[aldol16]

If you're talking about AMCAS or an update for med school, it's fine to include the poster and abstract in the same activity, since they refer to the same body of work. If you're putting this on a CV, put the poster on there under your posters section and ignore the abstract. Abstracts aren't "publications" and it's a no-no to double-list your works.

 

[Lawpy]

If you're talking about AMCAS or an update for med school, it's fine to include the poster and abstract in the same activity, since they refer to the same body of work. If you're putting this on a CV, put the poster on there under your posters section and ignore the abstract. Abstracts aren't "publications" and it's a no-no to double-list your works.

You're talking strictly academic/PhD-type CVs right? Since medical CVs apparently have different criteria. Agreed with the rest of your post.

 

[aldol16]

You're talking strictly academic/PhD-type CVs right? Since medical CVs apparently have different criteria. Agreed with the rest of your post.

Yes, academic CVs. I'm not sure what medical CV guidelines are but I suspect that this specific point - no double listing of abstracts and posters if they were presented on the exact same body of work - still applies.

 

[Lawpy]

Yes, academic CVs. I'm not sure what medical CV guidelines are but I suspect that this specific point - no double listing of abstracts and posters if they were presented on the exact same body of work - still applies.

Ok i agree there. The confusion arises mainly in listing abstracts that were not presentations, since academic CVs discourage that but medical CVs apparently encourage that (according to various CVs seen from academic physicians online). Double counting is always discouraged though.

 

[aldol16]

Ok i agree there. The confusion arises mainly in listing abstracts that were not presentations, since academic CVs discourage that but medical CVs apparently encourage that (according to various CVs seen from academic physicians online). Double counting is always discouraged though.

I have no idea why medical CVs would encourage abstracts that never made it into publications or presentations because presumably, medical CVs are also used for academic-type posts. I could understand why such abstracts were just tolerated, as opposed to encouraged.

 

[Lawpy]

I have no idea why medical CVs would encourage abstracts that never made it into publications or presentations because presumably, medical CVs are also used for academic-type posts. I could understand why such abstracts were just tolerated, as opposed to encouraged.

I mean abstracts published in journals that were made as posters presented by someone else. So like coauthor abstracts.

Also this:

https://www.acponline.org/membership/medical-students/residency/how-to-write-a-cv

Publications, Presentations, and Other Activities

This is an area considered to be the perfect opportunity to list your professional accomplishments. The following subheadings may be listed in this section: publications, presentations, invited lectures, abstracts, research activities, community service, and leisure interests, to name a few. When listing your publications, give full bibliographic entries so the reader can easily find them.

I don't know. Different CVs have different criteria and what works for PhD CVs may not work for other CVs.

Perhaps @mimelim could offer some thoughts

 

[aldol16]

I mean abstracts published in journals that were made as posters presented by someone else. So like coauthor abstracts.

Yeah, but again, presumably if the work had any substantive value, it would have been published eventually. Seeing abstracts that denote the most recent work that will be published soon is acceptable. Abstracts from the '90s that were obviously never published is just a poor reflection on the CV creator.

 

[aldol16]

I don't know. Different CVs have different criteria and what works for PhD CVs may not work for other CVs.

Since the primary purpose of a CV is academic in nature, I don't see why those who want to use CVs for other purposes don't just require resumes and stop requiring CV terminology in order to get rid of all this ambiguity.

 

[Lawpy]

Yeah, but again, presumably if the work had any substantive value, it would have been published eventually. Seeing abstracts that denote the most recent work that will be published soon is acceptable. Abstracts from the '90s that were obviously never published is just a poor reflection on the CV creator.

Maybe they were added to show the work that was done at that point in time? The CV creator could find old abstracts to be personally meaningful since they represent works done as grad students. And besides, the abstracts section is in the bottom of the CV in chronological order, so the oldest abstracts are listed in the last pages of the CV.

Since the primary purpose of a CV is academic in nature, I don't see why those who want to use CVs for other purposes don't just require resumes and stop requiring CV terminology in order to get rid of all this ambiguity.

It's academic but faculty job requirements differ based on specialty and area of knowledge. So a basic science faculty job may have more strict CV requirements than a clinical research professor job.

 

[aldol16]

Maybe they were added to show the work that was done at that point in time? The CV creator could find old abstracts to be personally meaningful since they represent works done as grad students. And besides, the abstracts section is in the bottom of the CV in chronological order, so the oldest abstracts are listed in the last pages of the CV.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. The point is that the work was never published and so it obviously was not substantive enough - otherwise, it would have been published. Graduate students want their work to be published - it's much, much easier to write and defend your dissertation when your work has already been published. People are much more inclined to believe peer-reviewed work.

It's academic but faculty job requirements differ based on specialty and area of knowledge. So a basic science faculty job may have more strict CV requirements than a clinical research professor job.

Sure, but the CV serves to highlight the research experience of the clinical research professor and is a testament to his or her research potential. Anybody in research understands that peer-reviewed publications are the gold standard and works that don't make it to publication either have major flaws (and are rejected) or were not impactful enough to make it to publication. So if anybody in research were reviewing that application (which is totally realistic because the position obviously involves research), they would be curious as to the listings.

 

[Lawpy]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. The point is that the work was never published and so it obviously was not substantive enough - otherwise, it would have been published. Graduate students want their work to be published - it's much, much easier to write and defend your dissertation when your work has already been published. People are much more inclined to believe peer-reviewed work.



Sure, but the CV serves to highlight the research experience of the clinical research professor and is a testament to his or her research potential. Anybody in research understands that peer-reviewed publications are the gold standard and works that don't make it to publication either have major flaws (and are rejected) or were not impactful enough to make it to publication. So if anybody in research were reviewing that application (which is totally realistic because the position obviously involves research), they would be curious as to the listings.

I understand the central importance and value in publications, which is why they are listed on the first several pages in the CV. Peer-reviewed work matters to establish/strengthen legitimacy and completeness in projects. I was thinking that abstracts and presentatioms show completions of small-term goals that eventually led to the publications. Or maybe they weren't impactful enough to be published but still significant enough to be presented at a national or international meeting.

I guess i don't understand why abstracts should be deleted from CVs if they were published in a journal and/or presented at national and international meetings. They were presented somewhere and can be accessed by their DOI numbers, so there is still some legitimacy in them.

 

[aldol16]

I understand the central importance and value in publications, which is why they are listed on the first several pages in the CV. Peer-reviewed work matters to establish/strengthen legitimacy and completeness in projects. I was thinking that abstracts and presentatioms show completions of small-term goals that eventually led to the publications. Or maybe they weren't impactful enough to be published but still significant enough to be presented at a national or international meeting.

I guess i don't understand why abstracts should be deleted from CVs if they were published in a journal and/or presented at national and international meetings. They were presented somewhere and can be accessed by their DOI numbers, so there is still some legitimacy in them.

Yes, but if they are short-term goals that lead to publications, you just list the publications. Listing the posters and abstracts that refer to the same body of work as your publication is a type of double counting. If they weren't impactful enough to be published, then they probably aren't impactful enough to list on your CV unless you need padding.

If you don't delete abstracts after they've been published and you list the publication, that's a form of double listing. It's very obviously a form of CV padding.