Accepting their own students

[unicorn06]

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I've heard that many elite medical schools, particularly Stanford, Penn, and Yale, don't like to accept their own undergrads. Anyone know if there's any truth to this rumor?

 

[Centinel]

That is untrue.

 

[JonnyG]

Penn doesn't do you any favors, but will except at most the top of certain departments. So there is some truth to it.

 

[doctorFred]

i was a penn state undergrad, and i've heard that hershey isn't crazy about accepting penn staters. i don't know whether or not it's true, but i've heard it both from undergrads at university park and med students at hershey.

 

[drmota]

i was a penn state undergrad, and i've heard that hershey isn't crazy about accepting penn staters. i don't know whether or not it's true, but i've heard it both from undergrads at university park and med students at hershey.

i've heard penn state goes for people from urban populations to give a balance to the rural nature of the school. any validity to that? cuz i just made it up. i didn't really hear it.
-mota

 

[deuist]

I don't know about the Ivies, but here at UMiami, 1/3 of the medical students did their undergrad here.

 

[little_late_MD]

If medical schools in any way care about the US News and World Report rankings (which I suspect they very much do) I would think that just the opposite is true. One of the "additional factors" graduate schools are rated on is how many of the undergrads who continue on to grad school choose their alma mater. I worked in the undergraduate admissions office of my school, and it was always a big deal getting alumni into the graduate schools.

 

[OSUdoc08]

I've heard that many elite medical schools, particularly Stanford, Penn, and Yale, don't like to accept their own undergrads. Anyone know if there's any truth to this rumor?

Baylor gives a little bit of a preference to people who went there for undergrad.

 

[Shredder]

Baylor gives a little bit of a preference to people who went there for undergrad.

thats really surprising since baylor is one school whose med school does not correspond with the undergrad in terms of reputation. any others? to some extent hopkins and washu but not nearly as much as baylor

 

[MahlerROCKS]

If medical schools in any way care about the US News and World Report rankings (which I suspect they very much do) I would think that just the opposite is true. One of the "additional factors" graduate schools are rated on is how many of the undergrads who continue on to grad school choose their alma mater. I worked in the undergraduate admissions office of my school, and it was always a big deal getting alumni into the graduate schools.

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[Sean2tall]

That is untrue.

Don't know if you intended it, but that response reminded me of Old School.

 

[unfrozencaveman]

I've heard that many elite medical schools, particularly Stanford, Penn, and Yale, don't like to accept their own undergrads. Anyone know if there's any truth to this rumor?

I heard the same thing about Penn, from my Penn advisor...

I don't get it at all. I think Ben Franklin would have wanted me to go there.

 

[-Goose-]

My alma matter gave two flopping sh*ts that I went there (rejected me less than a week after being complete (pre-secondary)... 😕 )

keep in mind that it only matters if youre stats are on par with their averages; then it can work to your advantage.

 

[unfrozencaveman]

I've heard that many elite medical schools, particularly Stanford, Penn, and Yale, don't like to accept their own undergrads. Anyone know if there's any truth to this rumor?

To add, he also told my friend Stanford doesnt like Penn undergrads. Totally odd.

 

[allisonbk]

I went to NYU's post-bacc with a 4.0 gpa. I also have been working at Bellevue for the past few years. No interview at NYU though. sad.

 

[evade]

I think med schools that won't take their own undergrads are making a very negative statement about themselves. I mean, shouldn't they consider their undergrads to be excellent, intelligent, capable people? And if they don't, why on Earth should you go to their med school? Schools who do not like to take their own undergrads are making very negative statements about themselves.

Then again, UC Davis is known for accepting their undergrads into their graduate and professional programs, so I'm a little bit biased. 😉

 

[Kimka83]

Schools probably WANT the reputation of giving their own undergraduates a hard time during medical school applications. That way applicants from many other shcools are encouraged to apply, since they think they have an equal chance. This works out great for the medical school is a few ways
1) more applicants = more secondary fees = more $$$$
2) more applicants means more qualified applicants, and a better class overall

But this is simple speculation.

 

[slickb12]

Baylor College of Medicine has nothing to do with Baylor University. They are the same in name only.

 

[sunnyjohn]

Baylor College of Medicine has nothing to do with Baylor University. They are the same in name only.

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[sunnyjohn]

I've heard that many elite medical schools, particularly Stanford, Penn, and Yale, don't like to accept their own undergrads. Anyone know if there's any truth to this rumor?

Perhaps too avoid "Educational inbreeding"?
😕

 

[DeadorAlive]

The only reason I can think of is to max the # of unique alumni? If you're a double, you might only donate to the undergrad, not both Ugrad and Med. If you're one or the other....

I don't know. It's a weak argument at best, but I guess if we're talking about 50% of a class vs. 5%, that can make a big difference in donors over time. I have heard that some schools do not accept their own; others, though, seem to do it in a pretty large percentage.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Baylor College of Medicine has nothing to do with Baylor University. They are the same in name only.

Then would like to explain to me how I got an interview there?

Baylor is the most competitive school in Texas, with both the highest MCAT average and GPA average (both science and overall.)

I recieved an interview at Baylor, but not at Tech, A&M, UT-Houston, UT-SW, UT-SA, UTMB, or UNT-TCOM.

There are classmates of mine who also got interviews at Baylor before they heard from these other schools.

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On a side note, my interview panel consisted of 2 Baylor graduates (undergrad.)

 

[slickb12]

Then would like to explain to me how I got an interview there?

Baylor is the most competitive school in Texas, with both the highest MCAT average and GPA average (both science and overall.)

I recieved an interview at Baylor, but not at Tech, A&M, UT-Houston, UT-SW, UT-SA, UTMB, or UNT-TCOM.

There are classmates of mine who also got interviews at Baylor before they heard from these other schools.

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On a side note, my interview panel consisted of 2 Baylor graduates (undergrad.)

I guess I should have specified a couple of things. 1) I was close to going to Baylor (had an apartment and everything), and I remember being confused about the same thing. But I talked to a couple of m1's there about it, and they clarified it.
2) They were at one point in time affiliated, but split in 1969. See link and "History" below.

Why you don't have interviews at those schools, I'm not sure. I imagine you're an excellent candidate though, as Baylor interviews pretty outstanding candidates. Perhaps it has to do with TMDSAS? I don't know, but I wish you the best of luck!


Here's a link to the history:
http://www.bcm.edu/about/history.cfm

 

[doctorFred]

thanks for that large, dull post that 90% of us skipped.
really, it was great.

 

[slickb12]

I've heard that many elite medical schools, particularly Stanford, Penn, and Yale, don't like to accept their own undergrads. Anyone know if there's any truth to this rumor?

I do know of two schools that tend to accept more of their own students. The reason, however, is debatable. Vanderbilt heavily favors its students. http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/medschool/admissions/stats/undergraduate.php

Harvard also favors its undergrads... they represent the plurality, followed by Yale.

 

[OSUdoc08]

I guess I should have specified a couple of things. 1) I was close to going to Baylor (had an apartment and everything), and I remember being confused about the same thing. But I talked to a couple of m1's there about it, and they clarified it.
2) They were at one point in time affiliated, but split in 1969. See link and "History" below.

Why you don't have interviews at those schools, I'm not sure. I imagine you're an excellent candidate though, as Baylor interviews pretty outstanding candidates. Perhaps it has to do with TMDSAS? I don't know, but I wish you the best of luck!


Here's a link to the history:
http://www.bcm.edu/about/history.cfm

I don't need the information about the history, as I attended Baylor and know.

Although they aren't officially affiliated, they are still partial to Baylor graduates.

 

[slickb12]

I don't need the information about the history, as I attended Baylor and know.

Although they aren't officially affiliated, they are still partial to Baylor graduates.

What I meant to say was, I almost went the Baylor College of Medicine, not the undergraduate. I went somewhere else at the last moment.

As for your insistence upon them favoring Baylor undergraduates, it's just not true. However, I would encourage anybody who really wants to know to call the admissions office (713-798-4951) as I did. They said they did not give any preference to Baylor undergraduates. But if anybody wants to know or check and make sure, please call them.

And good advice for anybody reading this boards, please take all statements, even ones that sound as confident as the above, with a HUGE grain of salt.

 

[OSUdoc08]

What I meant to say was, I almost went the Baylor College of Medicine, not the undergraduate. I went somewhere else at the last moment.

As for your insistence upon them favoring Baylor undergraduates, it's just not true. However, I would encourage anybody who really wants to know to call the admissions office (713-798-4951) as I did. They said they did not give any preference to Baylor undergraduates. But if anybody wants to know or check and make sure, please call them.

And good advice for anybody reading this boards, please take all statements, even ones that sound as confident as the above, with a HUGE grain of salt.

Yes, I'm sure they are going to admit this over the phone, since it isn't exactly legal.

How do you know whether they do or not?

I would submit to you that there is an abnormally high percentage of Baylor graduates that have less than average stats interviewing at Baylor.

 

[slickb12]

Yes, I'm sure they are going to admit this over the phone, since it isn't exactly legal.

How do you know whether they do or not?

I would submit to you that there is an abnormally high percentage of Baylor graduates that have less than average stats interviewing at Baylor.

Well, we'll have have to agree to disagree. You're basing your argument off circumstantial evidence (you know some people from Baylor undergrad who have less than normal stats for BCM who are interviewing there, and have not received invitations elsewhere. Also, 2 Baylor undergrads interviewed you). I am basing my argument on more solid ground, namely that they said they did not favor Baylor students. It also would NOT be a question of legality... medical schools consider the quality of undergraduate institutions all the time... and they will tell you they do this--I have asked before. It is sometimes listed in their brochures!

And, why would they favor them? There is NO affiliation--none! The schools don't communicate on any administrative level. The only factor that might be considered is that Baylor U is a good institution. So Baylor students could perhaps be favored over schools without a shining reputation. However, it has nothing to do with the name. This means that Baylor, Rice, A&M, UT-Austin, Emory, Vandy, etc are probably all on relatively equal footing.

Keep in mind that if your Baylor friends of less than average (for Baylor) stats are Texas residents, there is still a good chance that they will get an interview, as Texans are favored at Baylor.

In the end, this argument is not that important. What I would like to stress is not writing as confidently as you do and misleading people. This is, I think, the more relevant issue here. I would leave room for error in your statements when based off the type of evidence you have provided. "Baylor gives a little bit of a preference to people who went there for undergrad" is a statement that exhudes certainty, and is obviously lacking in that quality.

 

[riceman04]

thats really surprising since baylor is one school whose med school does not correspond with the undergrad in terms of reputation. any others? to some extent hopkins and washu but not nearly as much as baylor

Baylor College of Medicine is a totally separate entity. It is not even related to Baylor University.

 

[riceman04]

What I meant to say was, I almost went the Baylor College of Medicine, not the undergraduate. I went somewhere else at the last moment.

As for your insistence upon them favoring Baylor undergraduates, it's just not true. However, I would encourage anybody who really wants to know to call the admissions office (713-798-4951) as I did. They said they did not give any preference to Baylor undergraduates. But if anybody wants to know or check and make sure, please call them.

And good advice for anybody reading this boards, please take all statements, even ones that sound as confident as the above, with a HUGE grain of salt.

I do not know where yall got your info.!!!!! When you call Baylor you will be told that Baylor, when it was first established was apart of the Baylor University. However, they cut ties a very long time ago. And since then they have stood independently. And if they have a relation with any school it is Rice. Several of the profs who teach at Rice also teach at Baylor. Rice even offers classes as part of their curriculum over at Baylor.....I know b/c I took a course there (while an undergrad).

 

[riceman04]

Well, we'll have have to agree to disagree. You're basing your argument off circumstantial evidence (you know some people from Baylor undergrad who have less than normal stats for BCM who are interviewing there, and have not received invitations elsewhere. Also, 2 Baylor undergrads interviewed you). I am basing my argument on more solid ground, namely that they said they did not favor Baylor students. It also would NOT be a question of legality... medical schools consider the quality of undergraduate institutions all the time... and they will tell you they do this--I have asked before. It is sometimes listed in their brochures!

And, why would they favor them? There is NO affiliation--none! The schools don't communicate on any administrative level. The only factor that might be considered is that Baylor U is a good institution. So Baylor students could perhaps be favored over schools without a shining reputation. However, it has nothing to do with the name. This means that Baylor, Rice, A&M, UT-Austin, Emory, Vandy, etc are probably all on relatively equal footing.

Keep in mind that if your Baylor friends of less than average (for Baylor) stats are Texas residents, there is still a good chance that they will get an interview, as Texans are favored at Baylor.

In the end, this argument is not that important. What I would like to stress is not writing as confidently as you do and misleading people. This is, I think, the more relevant issue here. I would leave room for error in your statements when based off the type of evidence you have provided. "Baylor gives a little bit of a preference to people who went there for undergrad" is a statement that exhudes certainty, and is obviously lacking in that quality.

ok so I did not read this before I responded.
But I do know that Rice Profs (cog. psyc, bioengineering, neurosci, basic sci profs, etc...) are always over there.