ACCP 2020 Vision

[deleted205891]

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Here is ACCP's position statement on residency training: http://www.accp.com/docs/positions/positionStatements/ResEquivPosStmnt.pdf
Summary: mandatory residency for all pharmacists directly dealing with patients.

Do you think this will happen, and how soon? I personally don't think residency is needed for all pharmacists that deal with patients, especially retail pharmacists in chains. Discuss.

 

[genesis09]

There are only enough residency positions for maybe 10-20% of all current grads. The majority of pharmacists (be they working in retail or hospital) are in direct patient care areas.

 

[BavarianMWE46]

There are only enough residency positions for maybe 10-20% of all current grads. The majority of pharmacists (be they working in retail or hospital) are in direct patient care areas.

Maybe that is the point. By 2020 there will be ~200 pharmacy schools at the current rate. Maybe they will increase the residency positions to 30-50% and then the diploma mill grads will not be able to qualify for direct patient care positions and will be stuck script chasing.

 

[MountainPharmD]

Here is ACCP's position statement on residency training: http://www.accp.com/docs/positions/positionStatements/ResEquivPosStmnt.pdf
Summary: mandatory residency for all pharmacists directly dealing with patients.

Do you think this will happen, and how soon? I personally don't think residency is needed for all pharmacists that deal with patients, especially retail pharmacists in chains. Discuss.

That was some funny stuff. What a joke.

Someone help me out here. Define direct patient care and define a direct patient care position. Then define "script chasing".

 

[deleted205891]

That was some funny stuff. What a joke.

Someone help me out here. Define direct patient care and define a direct patient care position. Then define "script chasing".

Yeah, script chasing would = direct pt. care, since you still deal with patients at chains. Notice it says about 75% of pharmacists are currently involved in direct pt. care. I guess the ones that aren't would be centralized hospital pharmacists as well as some mail order people that don't participate in any clinical duties.

 

[BavarianMWE46]

Script chasing was coined by someone on here. It is the pharmacy professional equivalence to a low-tier JD grad or a new chiropractor grad. The 2.0gpa 40 pcat unexperienced pharmd from the newest for profit diploma mill will be stuck outside malls, hospitals, clinics, trying to chase scripts to get business for a retail store in hopes they will be able to eventually land a job making more than 30k so they can start paying back their 200k student loans. It is similar to the ambulance chaser.

 

[BMBiology]

The second question is that is a residency? Can Walgreens have "residents" work for them 80 hrs per week at one of their pharmacies and pay them 40 k a year?

 

[WVUPharm2007]

I'm leaving the country. The people that claim to lead our profession get more idiotic every year. Maybe they are smarter in Russia.

 

[PharmDstudent]

So those B.S. RPhs, who have been working FOREVER, are just going to quit and run off to do a residency? Haha! What a joke...!

 

[MountainPharmD]

The second question is that is a residency? Can Walgreens have "residents" work for them 80 hrs per week at one of their pharmacies and pay them 40 k a year?

You bet. They are probably working on a program right now. Call it the residency POWER program.

 

[deleted205891]

I'm leaving the country. The people that claim to lead our profession get more idiotic every year. Maybe they are smarter in Russia.

Of all places, Russia? I'm sure there are better places than one where the term "clinical pharmacist" doesn't exist. Why not Choose the traditional choice of Canada that this forum favors "because of the US's impending transition to socialized medicine"🙂?
And I believe it says in there that pharmacists "with sufficient experience" don't need to do residency (to another poster), so pharmacists that have been working forever won't need to run off and do one.

 

[genesis09]

Walgreens actually does sponsor a couple of community and infusion (through Optioncare) residencies.

 

[b*rizzle]

Here is ACCP's position statement on residency training: http://www.accp.com/docs/positions/positionStatements/ResEquivPosStmnt.pdf
Summary: mandatory residency for all pharmacists directly dealing with patients.

Do you think this will happen, and how soon? I personally don't think residency is needed for all pharmacists that deal with patients, especially retail pharmacists in chains. Discuss.

Some schools can't even find enough preceptors for their students. And they want to make residency mandatory? This is aggravating on so many levels...

 

[BM2007E92]

Residency....sure 🙄. If those *****s leading our so-called "profession" (I call it a job the way we are treated, be it retail, in/outpatient, pharma) want to limit the surplus of new grads, perhaps they should have thought about that before they accredited the idiotic number of pharmacy schools. As I quote David Letterman, “the pinheads and the nitwits and the twits, and knuckledraggers and the mouth-breathers” of pharmacy 😡🙄

 

[MyTalon4U2NV]

Residency....sure 🙄. If those *****s leading our so-called "profession" (I call it a job the way we are treated, be it retail, in/outpatient, pharma) want to limit the surplus of new grads, perhaps they should have thought about that before they accredited the idiotic number of pharmacy schools. As I quote David Letterman, “the pinheads and the nitwits and the twits, and knuckledraggers and the mouth-breathers” of pharmacy 😡🙄

👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

however im really hoping what they said is true about how we need more pharmacists because of population growth... any takers?

 

[CUninja]

Maybe that is the point. By 2020 there will be ~200 pharmacy schools at the current rate. Maybe they will increase the residency positions to 30-50% and then the diploma mill grads will not be able to qualify for direct patient care positions and will be stuck script chasing.

The chances of the US having 200 schools of pharmacy in the next 10 years is extremely low. Yes, we have added many in the last 2-4 years, but there is no data to show that we will not continue the trend of what had gone on the last 20-30 years before that (aka stagnant or little growth in pharmacy school positions.) Also, at some point, it is probable that AACP will either limit the amount of students at a school or limit the amount of schools that open (both situations likely leading to a court battle.) Faculty at pharmacy schools is also a limiting factor...and it may be a larger factor in accreditation standards in the future.

My question to you is: What is the evidence behind your claim that there will be 200 schools in 2020, other than an uptick of pharmacy schools opening in the last few years?

 

[CUninja]

Residency....sure 🙄. If those *****s leading our so-called "profession" (I call it a job the way we are treated, be it retail, in/outpatient, pharma) want to limit the surplus of new grads, perhaps they should have thought about that before they accredited the idiotic number of pharmacy schools. As I quote David Letterman, "the pinheads and the nitwits and the twits, and knuckledraggers and the mouth-breathers" of pharmacy 😡🙄

Yet, many people who complain about how we have bad leadership at our pharmacy associations don't want to help fix it.

I am sure that the associations could use your (and others) help in policies that would be more helpful to our profession in your eyes. 👍

 

[SmKN808]

however im really hoping what they said is true about how we need more pharmacists because of population growth... any takers?

wisconsin...👍

 

[BavarianMWE46]

The chances of the US having 200 schools of pharmacy in the next 10 years is extremely low. Yes, we have added many in the last 2-4 years, but there is no data to show that we will not continue the trend of what had gone on the last 20-30 years before that (aka stagnant or little growth in pharmacy school positions.) Also, at some point, it is probable that AACP will either limit the amount of students at a school or limit the amount of schools that open (both situations likely leading to a court battle.) Faculty at pharmacy schools is also a limiting factor...and it may be a larger factor in accreditation standards in the future.

My question to you is: What is the evidence behind your claim that there will be 200 schools in 2020, other than an uptick of pharmacy schools opening in the last few years?

There are now around 121 schools, and between 4-6 schools have been opening every year for the past few years. There are 5 scheduled to open this year, and there are already ~15 schools trying to open over the next few years. At this rate, there will be around 40-60 schools open over the 2010 decade.

AACP has already said they will NOT limit the number of schools opening. If a school meets their criteria, they can open. The AACP is making money off the new schools, why would they stop?

People are willing to take out $120-$150,000 in loans to attend these new private schools, and they will keep popping up because they know they can make money.

 

[BM2007E92]

Yet, many people who complain about how we have bad leadership at our pharmacy associations don't want to help fix it.

I am sure that the associations could use your (and others) help in policies that would be more helpful to our profession in your eyes. 👍

Oh, how I would love to eventually rub shoulders with the "big wigs" from ASHP, APhA, and AACP!! That would be a utopian life though 😛.

IMHO, I feel that AACP is "selling out" on us by only looking at the short-term benefits of opening up so many new schools. I hope I'm proven wrong, but given the current economic situation and the changes that might happen with universal healthcare (once passed), pharmacy as an industry might go the same way as the IT bubble of Y2K and physical therapy of the 90s.

 

[rxforlife2004]

This is truely a joke....seriously sickly contaminatedly joke!😡
I Beliebe residency should be optional, regardless whether you have direct/indirect with patients. Plus, students getting out of pharm schools trying to get into residencies crazily now...more than ever since retails suck and getting sucker everyday, thus pushing students into the mental minds to have no choice but competing a job in hospital = residency required. But how can you have enough residency spots for that huge amount of pharm students with this many pharm schools opening like mushrooms around the states....I think i soon can open a pharm school in my 8,000 sqft backyard and become the president/dean, too...

Something is f* up here....who to blame? I dont know...but it's getting worse everyday with the AACP, ASHP, JCAHO, APhA, who people don't actually work but sitting there on their lazy assez and creating laws and regulations for others to follow...and shut their mouth up with the AMA or RN board...👎

I still don't know where the f* my 250 dollar license renewal fee/ 550 dollar board exam fee/ 150 dollar fee for finger print/ 200 dollar for paper work/toilet paper etc...fee go to...? Wait...i do know where they go to, but i just don't know what the heck these people who get my money can do to get our profession to advance to where it is supposed to be...Pharm.D : Doctor of Pharmacy. What a joke title in a first place! I seriously think the BS degree was just fine...and at times wondering why the heck i don't get called the tittle i deserved...lol...thanks ASHP...thanks AACP, bowing to the AMA
Damn, i'm truely bitter tonight...lol