ACGME vs nonACGME pain fellowships

[mednyc2012]

I'm pretty sure I will be focusing on IM spots at this point. After reading some of the other posts on here regarding ACGME vs non ACGME fellowship spots, I have a decent understanding (I think) of the differences...though the posts were older. It looks like the nonACGME spots treat the fellows more like scut monkeys, but what are your opinions on these spots? If you plan to go into private practice, what would be some of the differences or disadvantages of a nonacgme fellowship? Furthermore, I guess you can't sit for the boards after a nonacgme program, but what difference is this going to make? Just more difficulty in finding a hospital that will allow you to do the procedures? What about insurance coverage?

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[Taus]

I know this doesn't address all your questions... but the majority of the non-accredited spots are PM&R programs.

 

[mednyc2012]

Actually that's a big help...and something I had not yet realized. I saw several posts on the PMR board about the nonacredited spots, but didn't realize they were often directed towards them. Thanks!

 

[pmrrulez]

I know this doesn't address all your questions... but the majority of the non-accredited spots are PM&R programs.

That being said, many of the PM&R non-accredited spots will take other specialties such as neurology, internal medicine, psychiatry, ER, family medicine.

 

[Ducttape]

it would be a stretch to say that a non-acgme program you are a "scut monkey". it really depends on the program, both accredited or not.

you can sit for boards, just not ABMS boards.

in some parts of the country, the non-ABMS board certification is not recognized by all insurance carriers, and some procedures/credentialling will be denied.

 

[bedrock]

it would be a stretch to say that a non-acgme program you are a "scut monkey". it really depends on the program, both accredited or not.

you can sit for boards, just not ABMS boards.

in some parts of the country, the non-ABMS board certification is not recognized by all insurance carriers, and some procedures/credentialling will be denied.

Hospital credentialing is an issue at a few major centers in downtown NYC, Chicago maybe. The vast majority of hospitals, over 95% to be sure, will credential a physician with a non ACGME fellowship. Pain procedures make the hospital a ton of money. They would love to earn the facility fees from your procedures.

Similar with insurance carriers. A couple small carriers in the south and one in Rochester, NY wouldn't pay for stim trials done by non ACGME pain docs, but that was their attempt to rein the SCS trial craziness of the past 5 years, where FPs were trying to do stim trials for $.
It's not a problem for a non-ACGME but fellowship-trained spine/pain physician to get paid for his procedures with 98% of insurance companies.

However, A much smaller percentage of hospitals would directly HIRE a non ACGME pain physician. That option is mostly closed to pain physicians without ACGME boards.

 

[Njdevils30]

Does anyone know of any non acgme pain programs in the New York area?

 

[ampaphb]

http://www.physiatry.org/?page=fellowship_programs

Beth Israel Medical Center
Fellowship Type: Spine, Sports Medicine, Musculoskeletal
Duration: 12 months
Fellowship Director: Robert S. Gotlin, DO
Contact Person: Valerie Crawford Wright
Beth Israel Medical Center
245 Fifth Avenue, 2nd Floor
New York, NY 10016
Phone: 646-935-2244
Fax: 646-935-2286
Email: [email protected]

Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons
Fellowship Type: Sports Medicine
Duration: 12 months
Fellowship Director: Christopher Visco, MD
Contact Person: Jessica Henriquez
Columbia University Medical Center
Rehabilitation and Regenerative Medicine
180 Fort Washington Avenue
Harkness Pavilion 1-167
New York, NY 10032
Phone: 212-305-8592
Fax: 212-305-4258
Email: [email protected]

Hospital for Special Surgery
Fellowship Type: Spine
Duration: 12 months
Fellowship Director: Gregory Lutz, MD
Contact Person: Elaine Freeman
Hospital for Special Surgery
523 E 72nd Street, 2nd Floor Physiatry Dept
New York, NY 10021
Phone: 212-606-1648
Fax: 212-517-7033
Email: [email protected]

Mount SinaiSchool of MedicineInterventional Spine and Sports Medicine
Fellowship Type: Spine and Sports
Duration: 12 months
Fellowship Director: Joseph Herrera, DO
Contact Person: Joseph Herrera, DO
Mt Sinai Med Ctr
1425 Madison Avenue/Box 1240
New York, NY 10029
Phone: 212-659-9377
Fax: 212-348-5901
Email: mailto:[email protected]

Columbia University College of Physicians & Surgeons
Fellowship Type: EMG, Neuromuscular
Duration:
Fellowship Director: Clifton Gooch, MD
Contact Person: Clifton Gooch, MD
Neurological Institute of New York
710 W. 168th Street
New York, NY 10032
Phone: 212-305-0405
Fax: 212-305-5396

VA-New York Harbor Healthcare System
Fellowship Type: Neuromuscular, Pain
Duration:
Fellowship Director: Nicole Sasson, MD
Contact Person: Nicole Sasson, MD
VA NY Harbor Healthcare System, New York Campus
423 East 23rd Street
New York, NY 10010
Phone: 212-686-7500

UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School
Fellowship Type: Spine, Musculoskeletal
Duration: 12 months
Fellowship Director: Patrick Foye, MD
Contact Person: Patrick Foye, MD
UMDNJ
90 Bergen Street DOC Ste 3100
Newark, NJ 07103
Phone: 973-972-3606
Fax: 973-972-5148
Email: [email protected]
[email protected]

Atlantic Health System, Mountains Hospital Campus
Fellowship Type: Spine, Sports Medicine
Duration: 12 months
Fellowship Director: Gerard A. Malanga, MD
Contact Person: Jay E. Bowen, DO
Associates in Rehabilitation Medicine
95 Mt. Kemble Avenue, T-4
Morristown, NJ 07960
Phone: 908-522-2808
Fax: 908-522-2207
Email: [email protected]

 

[bedrock]

Good NYC area list, though Columbia and Atlantic health are more sports oriented, with some spine.

The other programs are spine fellowships, with some varying degree of sports.

 

[ampaphb]

OP asked for pain fellowships. Simply tried to accommodate his request.

 

[bedrock]

I'm just saying the interventional spine experience is weak at columbia, Atlantic.

Also just trying to help out the OP.