Acupuncturist applying to med school. . .

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Hey all,

So I'm an acupuncturist with a Master of Science in Oriental Medicine. Anybody have any idea to what extent my background will help/hurt/not affect my application to med schools? Nobody seems to have any real feedback for me since my background is not a very common one.
I'm currently taking undergrad. courses (O. Chem & Physics) to prepare for the MCATs. Probably wont be starting school till fall of 2010.
Thanks.

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It won't hurt you as long as you are open-minded about conventional medicine. In fact, backgrounds like that can be some advantage. Med schools really like diversity in background. Miami quoted that somewhere around half of patients today are doing some form of complementary and alternative medicine. Therefore, it's not necessary to believe in alternate therapies, but it is necessary to be familiar with their effects and to be able to relate to your patients. Highlight your background, but also sell your objectivity in medical therapies, and make sure you have a good reason for pursuing "western medicine" (I hate that term).

Also, if you didn't know, graduate GPA is weighted much less than undergraduate GPA.
 
What state are you in? I imagine a school like UCSF would see it as an asset. Their stats are really competitive, but still, I think they would see it as an asset.

http://www.ucsf.edu/imn/index.html

Duke has an integrative medicine program as well. Again, competitive, but there you go!

http://www.dukeintegrativemedicine.org/

Arizona has one, but they only allow state residents to apply unless you are WICHE.

You should do a search to see which universities have similar programs. I just think it shows they are already open-minded and would appreciate what you would offer.
 
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Hey all,

So I'm an acupuncturist with a Master of Science in Oriental Medicine. Anybody have any idea to what extent my background will help/hurt/not affect my application to med schools? Nobody seems to have any real feedback for me since my background is not a very common one.
I'm currently taking undergrad. courses (O. Chem & Physics) to prepare for the MCATs. Probably wont be starting school till fall of 08'.
Thanks.

Philosophically, eastern philosophies might mesh well with osteopathic programs. A.T. Still-the father of osteopathic medicine-had many maxims about preventive approaches, alignment/balance, etc. It may be a very good fit for you, and I would advise that you look into DO programs (AACOMAS is the central source.)

I would, however, advise against using your background to diminish the need for science courses. Chi may offer anecdotal hints, but is not generally seen as being reliable in any type of western (MD or DO) medicine.
 
Thanks for the feedback. FYI, I'm a resident of Colorado, though a native New Yorker.
I think that my willingness to endure the rigors of getting into medical school (not to mention getting through med. school) should attest to my "open-mindedness" regarding allopathic medicine, although obviously the transition is something I will address in my PS when the time comes. That, or it attests to a serious head injury.

Anyway, I'd rather not limit myself to schools with a reputation for teaching about integrative medicine (not that I'd write them off either). I'm somewhat trepidatious to go through a DO program, though I do think it's likely they'd look upon my acupuncture degree more favorably.
Philosophically, I have no real personal connection with traditional Chinese medicine (TCM). I have special training in the diagnosis/treatment of orthopedic injuries with acupuncture, and that is really where my interest lies. I think acupuncture is cool/progressive/viable only to the extent that it effectively treats patients. I tend to perceive traditional diagnosis as metaphorical at best. There is often no clear distinction between clinically relevant diagnoses, and medical anthropology, and I say this in spite of many acupuncturist's seemingly religious adherence to the tenets of TCM.

Ultimately, I've learned a lot studying acupuncture, some of it anthropology, some of "western" (ortho. testing, a&p, myology etc.), and I've had experience interacting with patients as a provider. So in 18 months when my applications go out, are admissions people saying, "Hey, whoa, look at this Bob," or are they continuing to read my credentials without much of a second thought, or are they rolling their eyes? In the end I'm gonna get to where I'm going regardless, but it'd be nice if some top tier schools took notice since I did spend several years and, yes, more than several ten of thousands of dollars going through acupuncture school.
 
How interesting- I'm thinking of somehow getting into acupuncture/research into principles behind acupuncture after med school. Of course, just speaking as a pre-med here 😉... but I firmly believe the two are not incompatible and your background could definitely play toward your advantage.
 
Hey MLakeLAc!

Fellow L.Ac here. I'm a graduate of Tri-State in NY, and also have specialized Neuro/Ortho training in Acupuncture in addition to TCM. My story is a bit different. i didn't want to waste time and went straight to Ross in The Caribbean. However, I did not continue there. Don't want to bore anyone with the reason "Why?". But it's in my multiple previous posts. The bottom line it should not hurt your chances for most D.O or M.D schools. Many folks from allied health are in med schools these days. Acupuncture and OM are no different. I'd consider it a plus. The most important thing is not to feed into the many ignoramuses views knowing nothing on the subject, but comparing us to some voodo craft, or a snake oil salesmen. :laugh:
Go for it friend! May the force be with you!
One word of wisdom though (I think)....don't get hung up on the D.O vs MD crap. These days there is absolutly no difference in rights and privelleges. You'll maximize your chances of getting in, and actually may enjoy OMM. If you do Tui na or Zero Balancing, or some other myofascial stuff we're trained in it will be right up your alley. Though in the end it's up to you.

Best of Luck 😀


Thanks for the feedback. FYI, I'm a resident of Colorado, though a native New Yorker.
I think that my willingness to endure the rigors of getting into medical school (not to mention getting through med. school) should attest to my "open-mindedness" regarding allopathic medicine, although obviously the transition is something I will address in my PS when the time comes. That, or it attests to a serious head injury.

Anyway, I'd rather not limit myself to schools with a reputation for teaching about integrative medicine (not that I'd write them off either). I'm somewhat trepidatious to go through a DO program, though I do think it's likely they'd look upon my acupuncture degree more favorably.
Philosophically, I have no real personal connection with traditional Chinese medicine (TCM). I have special training in the diagnosis/treatment of orthopedic injuries with acupuncture, and that is really where my interest lies. I think acupuncture is cool/progressive/viable only to the extent that it effectively treats patients. I tend to perceive traditional diagnosis as metaphorical at best. There is often no clear distinction between clinically relevant diagnoses, and medical anthropology, and I say this in spite of many acupuncturist's seemingly religious adherence to the tenets of TCM.

Ultimately, I've learned a lot studying acupuncture, some of it anthropology, some of "western" (ortho. testing, a&p, myology etc.), and I've had experience interacting with patients as a provider. So in 18 months when my applications go out, are admissions people saying, "Hey, whoa, look at this Bob," or are they continuing to read my credentials without much of a second thought, or are they rolling their eyes? In the end I'm gonna get to where I'm going regardless, but it'd be nice if some top tier schools took notice since I did spend several years and, yes, more than several ten of thousands of dollars going through acupuncture school.
 
My background was fairly unconventional:
- out of school for almost ten years and all undergrad and prereq work completed at a college which has no type of objective grading - narrative evaluations only, no GPA at all
-completed one year of naturopathic medicine program at Bastyr (long story...)
-5 years in practice as a licensed massage therapist

I applied only DO because OMM (manipulation) was a key skill I wanted to acquire during my medical training.

IMO schools are looking for the total package, so while I would say that your background won't hold you back anywhere, I also wouldn't count on it to open any doors, either. An interesting background and clinical experience is just that - add it to good grades, MCATs, and LORs and it's another asset, but it won't be a substitute for poor grades or MCAT scores. I had a pretty decent MCAT, so I think that made my lack of a GPA and unconventional background palatable to schools.

I think schools will also be looking for your story ie "you have put a lot of work into another career so why have you made the decision to change at this time?" Nobody shakes up their life and embarks on this road without passion - share some of it with them and they will respond.
 
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Hey all,

So I'm an acupuncturist with a Master of Science in Oriental Medicine. Anybody have any idea to what extent my background will help/hurt/not affect my application to med schools? Nobody seems to have any real feedback for me since my background is not a very common one.
I'm currently taking undergrad. courses (O. Chem & Physics) to prepare for the MCATs. Probably wont be starting school till fall of 2010.
Thanks.
 
You might be interested in George Washington. They have a program that allows med students to do special projects in different "tracks," and one of the tracks is complementary and alternative medicine.
 
Hey all,

So I'm an acupuncturist with a Master of Science in Oriental Medicine. Anybody have any idea to what extent my background will help/hurt/not affect my application to med schools? Nobody seems to have any real feedback for me since my background is not a very common one.
I'm currently taking undergrad. courses (O. Chem & Physics) to prepare for the MCATs. Probably wont be starting school till fall of 2010.
Thanks.
You will be judged the same as everyone else, based upon your academic record, your ECs, your LORs, your essays, and your performance at the interview. Right now, focus on getting top grades in your pre-req coursework and laying a good foundation for MCAT studying. When you go to write your PS and attend interviews, you can explain how you plan to integrate your acupuncture background with conventional medicine (if you do). Your background would certainly not hurt you, but it will not save you either if you do not have a strong enough academic record to make you competitive for medical school.

As an aside, you most certainly do not have to only apply to schools that offer a CAM track. I would imagine that most schools (including mine) give at least token mention of CAM, since, as others have already mentioned, so many patients are interested in using it. Thus, even if most allo docs have no intention of practicing CAM, we still need to know about it. In that context, you could be a very good resource for your future classmates.

Best of :luck: to you. 🙂
 
MLake,

Greetings from another Acupuncturist/TCMist from the west coast. I graduated from Yosan University in LA. Well, my path to medical school is probably very similar to what you are attempting now. After graduation from Yosan, I decided to continue on my medical path. I did a post bacc, researched the options exhaustively and together with personal experiences and shadowing I decided on the DO route. Take it from me do NOT fall into the mindset of MD vs DO, they can get you to the same place. Unless you are stuck on the idea of having MD as initials then just remember MD=DO, do not limit your options.

With that said, from my personal experience the time when my background in Chinese medicine became a great advantage came during my interviews. In every single interview, I was asked about my reason for getting into medicine as a career, and in every single one when I mentioned my background in Chinese Medicine, the interviewer was so intrigued that the interview went on a complete tangent and wanted to talk about Chinese medicine and integration of Chinese medicine with biomedicine, etc. It was great!! As soon as I connected this way, the interviews were like cakewalks. I was talking about something I was very familiar about, and the interviewers were intrigued. The interviewers were a mix of DOs, MDs, PHDs and school administrators. I ended up with multiple acceptances, so for me it became a big advantage. Other than that, none of your Masters classes will be relevant in the medical school app process. Just rock your premed reqs, and MCAT is what i recommend.

I have continued practicing acupuncture, moxibustion, cupping while in med school. I practice on my classmates, but I only charge sliding scale and I do it more to expose my fellow future colleagues than to treat them or make money. There really is no time to start up a practice while in med school. Now i dont get to practice Herbs or formulas anymore--maybe when im in practice.

BTW, another LAc from So Cal got into a DO school this cycle as well--Dr. Phil--so there are some of us making the attempt to combine these two worlds of medicine.

If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me.👍
 
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