Adult film work past when applying to medical school

[Crayola227]

No and no. Well, maybe at Loma Linda or LUCOM.

Not sure I agree, Goro. I do remember hearing some horror stories about it coming to light a past stripper or two or adult model getting outted and then kicked out of med school even several years in.

It's theoretically possible for a med school to invalidate a degree, depending on details and especially if they can make a case that somehow you were dishonest somehow somewhere in the whole process, but imagine that is probably quite rare.

The moral turpitude clause gives medical schools very broad leeway.

Maybe I'm overly cautious and times have changed.

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[blissworm]

I'm not even going to touch the whole phobia and what is right or wrong business but to think of this simply and logically, your goal is to get into school. If you wanna use your position and experience as a doctor to advocate for certain things, get the position first and then use your credibility to bring awareness to the topic. Why jeopardize your chance to get the position? Just because you didn't flaunt this experience in your app doesn't mean that you're rejecting how important it is/was for you. Let me give an example for myself, not sure how comparable it is but anyway. Something that bothers me personally is how infectious diseases are often neglected in popular medicine, aka it's not the hot topic almost ever. I wanna change that bc IDs affect so much of the non West, but if I come out attacking American medicine in my app I don't think that helps my cause at all.

Also think of it this way. If you have a group where some are Vegetarian and others are not, and you can order one pizza, what would you do? Order a veggie pie because a non vegetarian can eat a veggie pizza but a vegetarian cannot eat a meat pie. In the same way everyone can feel alright with a conservatively groomed, unremarkable background, 'regular old' doctor. Not everyone feels comfortable with a background that's, uhm, colorful (I guess that's the term?).

 

[Crayola227]

I could have sworn a couple of years ago everyone was absolutely livid about the way women were objectified in media. How sex work has become the bastion of empowerment is just baffling.

I'll bite. I think it may be experienced that way for some individuals. I say this as someone who has mentioned on other parts of SDN as being involved in my local BDSM/kink community, and that includes a lot of overlap with various kinds of sex workers, I could include a list, many of whom are even close personal friends. I hesitate to pass sweeping definitive judgment on their experiences and POV when it comes to sex work and empowerment.

Certainly I am not necessarily talking about sex work or expressions of sexuality that you might typically see in mainstream society, which is still very much dominated by a certain depiction of women in particular.

 

[Temporal_weapon]

I say this as someone who has mentioned on other parts of SDN as being involved in my local BDSM/kink community

things like being a dominatrix...yeah no. That is "cool" as a college English professor, that is not really cool as a physician, and for good reason.

Once you really understand it's not about any single one of us and who we actually are, but it's about having an acceptable front for say an Amish mother of 8 who has never seen a naked man, then it might make a little more sense.

Remember how Clinton didn't inhale? It's like that.

Wow this thread has been quite great.

 

[doomer_md]

Two words: consent and power. If a woman chooses to do sex work (consent), that is her choice. If an industry exploits her (power), that is not her fault.

Same with media: we blame producers and studio execs (who are overwhelmingly men) for objectification of women, not the 20-something actresses who fill those roles because they need a job. Even in a perfect non-exploitative media industry, some actresses would want to use sexuality in their art, and they should be free to do so

What? Actresses are able to decline roles.

 

[YCAGA]

What? Actresses are able to decline roles.

There have been multiple stories in reputable news outlets of "mainstream" adult film companies whose actresses have come out to say that they were raped on camera and those videos were on "mainstream" websites for years. And those stories are mainly from companies in the US and EU. Just imagine how horrible things are in countries with even more governmental corruption and general disrespect for women.

Consenting to have sex on camera does not mean the actresses, or actors, consent to doing anything on or off camera. Same goes for consenting to have sex in someone's person life. Consent isn't transferable or a free-pass for everything.

Sorry to keep replying on your thread OP but I think the above is something we can both agree on.

 

[doomer_md]

Very naive stance. There have been multiple stories in reputable news outlets of "mainstream" adult film companies whose actresses have come out to say that they were raped on camera and those videos were on "mainstream" websites for years. And those stories are mainly from companies in the US and EU. Just imagine how horrible things are in countries with even more governmental corruption and general disrespect for women.

Comments like yours are why we keep having to drill into kids' heads what consent means but I guess some people still don't listen. Consenting to have sex on camera does not mean the actresses, or actors, consent to doing anything on or off camera. Same goes for consenting to have sex in someone's person life. Consent isn't transferable or a free-pass for everything.

Sorry to keep replying on your thread OP but I think the above is something we can both agree on.

I meant regular actors/models. Not adult actors/models.

 

[YCAGA]

I meant regular actors/models. Not adult actors/models.

Whoops. Well I have heard people say the same thing about adult actors/actresses so I will leave my post as "education", but my bad for the misunderstanding.

 

[Browns99]

I said in my very first post that the industry was exploitive. But the workers in it are not the ones making high-level decisions about the industry, so stigmatizing those who have worked in it is the very definition of victim-blaming, especially as many participate due to a lack of viable alternatives. I want an ethical, destigmatized sex work industry run primarily by the workers within it more than anyone else, but that's not the industry we have right now. And to be honest the attitude that sex workers are doing something bad, or are somehow morally deficient, or judgment-impaired, or made bad choices and deserve whatever happens to them/should have that held against them if they try to switch careers is one of the biggest barrier towards that goal.

By the way, I could just as well argue that the medical industry in this country is exploitative, but you wouldn't blame doctors for that, even though the average doctor probably had more career options than the average sex worker--and I am even trying to become one. Because I recognize that an indictment of an industry is not necessarily an indictment of the individuals just trying to make a living in it

"By the way, I could just as well argue that the medical industry in this country is exploitative"...comparing or making any reference to the medical industry compared to the porn industry.....wow, you may be trolling.

 

[treeclimbingmonkey]

OP, I wish you the best. You have had a hard past, I am sure you will come up ahead in the future.

 

[voxveritatisetlucis]

Not sure I agree, Goro. I do remember hearing some horror stories about it coming to light a past stripper or two or adult model getting outted and then kicked out of med school even several years in.

It's theoretically possible for a med school to invalidate a degree, depending on details and especially if they can make a case that somehow you were dishonest somehow somewhere in the whole process, but imagine that is probably quite rare.

The moral turpitude clause gives medical schools very broad leeway.

Maybe I'm overly cautious and times have changed.

Any half competent litigator would salivate over a cases like these.

I’m willing to bet that getting into and finishing med school wouldn’t be an issue, but it may be more difficult to actually get hired after residency.

 

[NobodyDPM]

If someone omitted this from their app, and the school fount out post-A could the A be rescinded? what about post-matriculation.

On what basis?

I would say no. Listen, there are hardened addicts that get to med school and crash. Requiring them to enter into strict programs. And they are not ejected from Med School. I was on a committee that handled this. They did rehab, and when cleared, returned to school under strict guidelines and supervision.

But a former SW would be thrown out? In today's litigious environment...no way.

What someone does is their business in this regard. It should not go on an app. Ever.

 

[deleted1100659]

To all of the incredibly judgmental medical school students/premed students on this thread I just want to say this...

Now you know you, if you didn't already, that you can cross off psychiatrist under potential list of specialties to match into...

Doing a retail job for 9 dollars an hour, especially when currently inflation/gas prices/etc are all absurd vs probably making substantially more then that at a job that people with money view as morally wrong..Not hard to see why people choose the second choice. People who have never tasted desperation can only speculate what they would or wouldnt do.

 

[allseasons]

To all of the incredibly judgmental medical school students/premed students on this thread I just want to say this...

Now you know you, if you didn't already, that you can cross off psychiatrist under potential list of specialties to match into...

Doing a retail job for 9 dollars an hour, especially when currently inflation/gas prices/etc are all absurd vs probably making substantially more then that at a job that people with money view as morally wrong..Not hard to see why people choose the second choice. People who have never tasted desperation can only speculate what they would or wouldnt do.

@tanya9019 how much did this pay in comparison to standard retail jobs, just curious. I always though sex work studios paid very little to amateurs.

 

[deleted1100659]

@tanya9019 how much did this pay in comparison to standard retail jobs, just curious. I always though sex work studios paid very little to amateurs.

per google, the average appears to be 800-1,000, which is definitely not a joke and actually a lot higher than I thought it was.

 

[doomer_md]

To all of the incredibly judgmental medical school students/premed students on this thread I just want to say this...

Now you know you, if you didn't already, that you can cross off psychiatrist under potential list of specialties to match into...

Doing a retail job for 9 dollars an hour, especially when currently inflation/gas prices/etc are all absurd vs probably making substantially more then that at a job that people with money view as morally wrong..Not hard to see why people choose the second choice. People who have never tasted desperation can only speculate what they would or wouldnt do.

There are some things in life that should not have a price.

 

[Gummydinosaur]

There are some things in life that should not have a price.

This thread's purpose was not to get your personal opinion on the morality of sex work. Specifically, it was a question on whether or not it should be included on an app or interview, which I think OP has had enough response from adcoms to help make that decision.

 

[Crayola227]

Any half competent litigator would salivate over a cases like these.

I’m willing to bet that getting into and finishing med school wouldn’t be an issue, but it may be more difficult to actually get hired after residency.

Actually, not really. I've talked with an attorney that specializes in educational law and basically suing schools on behalf of students getting kicked out. Schools, particularly past college level, are given pretty broad leeway by courts. Typically the only time you can overturn such a decision is if you have proof of some kind of discrimination of a protected class (like say someone with a disability) or the school somehow violated its own policies in what it does.

As I said, the moral turpitude gives schools a lot of leeway.

I have seen a rare case where getting litigious got someone back into med school. The school was still able to destroy their career and see to it they never Matched and never practiced.

Don't ever try to take on the medical establishment. They are too big and too powerful. The number of cases I know of going well vs going as expected, it's a complete non-starter.

Plus if you sued for being a past adult film star or stripper and being let go, that is going to be a matter of public record and the number of people who know balloons.

Medicine is a much smaller community than people realize. And as mentioned, something like this in your past, now add the fact it's already created a lawsuit (nvm if it was justified), you're definitely dead in the water most places as someone already mentioned.

 

[Crayola227]

Some of the squeamishness may be created because you are touching people for money in a sexual fashion. And in medicine, we also touch people for money, sometime even in a private place, it's crucial it never comes off as sexual. Patients have to be able to trust that. Honestly only having or being covered by someone's medical license is the only thing that makes what we do not sexual assault or prostitution as far as the law goes. One should never take that fact for granted, because doctors do get it hot water over this stuff.

 

[Crayola227]

To all of the incredibly judgmental medical school students/premed students on this thread I just want to say this...

Now you know you, if you didn't already, that you can cross off psychiatrist under potential list of specialties to match into...

Doing a retail job for 9 dollars an hour, especially when currently inflation/gas prices/etc are all absurd vs probably making substantially more then that at a job that people with money view as morally wrong..Not hard to see why people choose the second choice. People who have never tasted desperation can only speculate what they would or wouldnt do.

I totally agree with your last paragraph.

The only bone to pick, is that it is concerning about judgment if someone doesn't see the need to hide this quite well, probably for most of one's career, as best as one can. A true skeleton in the closet.

 

[gyngyn]

It appears that this thread has served the purpose of airing several opinions on the matter.
It is unlikely that its continuation will add further light on the subject.