Advantages of matching top academic programs

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Are there substantial advantages to matching into well-known academic derm programs if you're not interested in an academic/research oriented career?
Is it similar to attending a well-known medical school - in that you'll have more resources, connections, etc for fellowship applications or career networking?

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My opinion is it doesn't matter much if you're not interested in an academic career. It looks good on a CV, but if you're going private practice, I don't think it makes a huge difference. The job market isn't at a point where decisions typically need to go to that sort of thing as far as I can tell.

If I was hiring someone, I'd be more interested in the patient population and conditions they treated most in residency than their pedigree. It could be argued that the big names have a lot of resources and thus more opportunities to learn, but there is also something to be said for learning to treat patients on more of a shoestring budget so to speak.

I would say that the big name programs may be more likely to have specialty clinics or niche experts at their programs. If one is interested in learning a lot about that certain thing, then a big name place would have an advantage. I feel that may be more of a program specific thing than necessarily a big name vs lesser named program thing though.

In terms of fellowships? Well, in terms of mohs and dermpath, it may be a bit of an advantage moreso to be able to stay where you are for training but also in terms of getting good letters from big names and so forth. However, I don't perceive a huge differential advantage there. As you move along in training it becomes more personal and more of a "This person will make a great mohs/dp doc and I would totally enjoy working with them for a year" opposed to putting more weight on 'pedigree'. Expressed a different way, I'd rather work with and train a person from a lesser known program who is a nice person that I'd enjoy working with than a person from a big name place who my personality doesn't mesh with at all.

So it's almost like interviewing for fellowship is like interviewing for a job; the interviewer cares more about the quality of the person overall than just the name of the place they trained. That maybe doesn't always apply, but that's how things work from my perspective.
 
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Agree with the above.
Also don't forget, many programs considered "non-top" can also have big names and nationally recognized niche specialists as well. These folks can also serve as sources of mentoring, resources, fellowship networking, etc...
 
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My opinion is it doesn't matter much if you're not interested in an academic career. It looks good on a CV, but if you're going private practice, I don't think it makes a huge difference. The job market isn't at a point where decisions typically need to go to that sort of thing as far as I can tell.

If I was hiring someone, I'd be more interested in the patient population and conditions they treated most in residency than their pedigree. It could be argued that the big names have a lot of resources and thus more opportunities to learn, but there is also something to be said for learning to treat patients on more of a shoestring budget so to speak.

I would say that the big name programs may be more likely to have specialty clinics or niche experts at their programs. If one is interested in learning a lot about that certain thing, then a big name place would have an advantage. I feel that may be more of a program specific thing than necessarily a big name vs lesser named program thing though.

In terms of fellowships? Well, in terms of mohs and dermpath, it may be a bit of an advantage moreso to be able to stay where you are for training but also in terms of getting good letters from big names and so forth. However, I don't perceive a huge differential advantage there. As you move along in training it becomes more personal and more of a "This person will make a great mohs/dp doc and I would totally enjoy working with them for a year" opposed to putting more weight on 'pedigree'. Expressed a different way, I'd rather work with and train a person from a lesser known program who is a nice person that I'd enjoy working with than a person from a big name place who my personality doesn't mesh with at all.

So it's almost like interviewing for fellowship is like interviewing for a job; the interviewer cares more about the quality of the person overall than just the name of the place they trained. That maybe doesn't always apply, but that's how things work from my perspective.
A lot of top derm departments have very well rounded training with county hospitals (i.e treating on a shoestring budget/not having access to fancy drugs, end stage diseases and trying to do what you can with limited resources), VA (i.e. bread and butter meds and diseases and ton of skin checks), and also have speciality clinics on top of that. Non-top programs may have all this too, but just want the OP to not get notions of top programs being bougie or very specialized and not translating to real world. In my experience, it's been quite the opposite. I feel very well trained in bread and butter, very efficient in clinic and procedurally strong - very translatable to private setting.
 
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A lot of top derm departments have very well rounded training with county hospitals (i.e treating on a shoestring budget/not having access to fancy drugs, end stage diseases and trying to do what you can with limited resources), VA (i.e. bread and butter meds and diseases and ton of skin checks), and also have speciality clinics on top of that. Non-top programs may have all this too, but just want the OP to not get notions of top programs being bougie or very specialized and not translating to real world. In my experience, it's been quite the opposite. I feel very well trained in bread and butter, very efficient in clinic and procedurally strong - very translatable to private setting.
This is the training I would hope for! I'm at a "top" well-known medical school now, and as I understand I have the best chance of matching at home program. I appreciate this clarification.
 
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This is the training I would hope for! I'm at a "top" well-known medical school now, and as I understand I have the best chance of matching at home program. I appreciate this clarification.
Absolutely. All programs are great and honestly it's splitting hairs when it comes to any reputable program to find differences. In lieu of looking at "top" vs not top, I would ensure the program had things that are non negotiable for you. For instance, for me, I wanted as strong of clinical training as I could get and I was non negotiable on needing all three: VA+county+private settings. Then, after that, I could split hairs about other things like location / certain experts in certain diseases I want to work with / fit. Each person will have their own recipe and there are excellent training programs out there that don't have all three clinics settings either and make up for it in other ways, so you'll have to make judgment calls along the way!
 
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