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During those neurotic premed years, I was grateful for people that could look back at an experience and give advice. So I hope you upcoming applicants find this useful:

Though applications don't open until June (technically May for you picky people 🙄), start writing your personal essay and secondary essays today. Do it naooo! (insert Arnold impression)

This will give you the enormous benefit of submitting your applications the day you receive them. Whether you're a 33 or 23 mcat, 4.0 or 3.0, it makes a difference. At the very least, look at a book about medical school essays or think about ideas for your essay. Thank you for reading. Start your essays right now and get this :bang: out of the way.
 
I agree. Also, realize how important your personal statement is. Some people blow it off and think it is not as important as your numbers. In all of the interviews I went on they told me that my personal statement made me stand out, since my stats are actually very average. I worked really hard on it with my AP english teacher from high school. My first and final draft were entirely different. Make sure you have it edited by many people! The last thing you want is it to have mistakes. Writing it now allows you a ton of time to work it over until application are put up.

Take your MCAT early if at all possible. I took mine at the end of july. Although I think I did better because of it, I regretted not being able to take it in April and have everything in at the very beginning. It all worked out for me though, so do not let people completely freak you out that if you don't apply super early you are screwed. It is just a much easier path if you do!

Start thinking about who you want to write your recommendation letters now. Depending on how your school works, get your paperwork done for your committee. I know some schools have those due in March. My committee letter was what held me back the most, so be ready to beg the committee to get it done by a certain time and basically ask them everyday if its been uploaded yet.

Hope this helps!
 
Apply early and broadly. Recycle your secondaries, but make sure to change the school name (whoops).

Have both a non medical professional and a medical professional go over your personal statement.
 
I started writing drafts of my essay a year before my submission. Every week I would go over it again, change a sentence, throw out a paragraph etc. At first I made my essay 3 pages and then chopped away. The final draft was quite the tear jerker if i may say so myself- but yeah I definitely recommend getting started early
 
Apply early and broadly. Recycle your secondaries, but make sure to change the school name (whoops).

Have both a non medical professional and a medical professional go over your personal statement.

+1 Definitely apply early. That's key. And stay active while you're applying (ie. shadow, volunteer, class, etc.).
 
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I have a slightly different viewpoint, but advice nonetheless. I wrote my entire essay on August 30th, edited it on the 31st, and submitted my AACOMAS on September 1st. I submitted my first secondary on the 16th and got an interview invite that afternoon. I took an open spot on the 20th and was accepted 8 days later, for a total of 30 days from the time I wrote my essay until my first acceptance.

I am the pre-med that most pre-meds secretly hate; the non-neurotic one. I almost never go to class, I studied for the MCAT for 3 weeks and got 30+ and I spend more time playing intramural sports than studying.

If that sounds like you, then go for it and take the July or August MCAT and apply in September if you need to. But I do agree with blinkboy that you are taking a risk by doing that and it would be better to do it all early. If you can get an acceptance early in the game, you will be WAY less stressed than all of your friends who wind up waiting until March to find out if they will be going to Med School in the Fall. The best way to do that is to apply early. If you get an interview invite in September, you will be competing for one of 200 open spots. If you get an invite in November, you will have to wait until February to interview, and about half the class has already been accepted by that time. Figure those odds. We all have friends who got accepted in May after their April interview at some school or another, but you don't want to play that game.


Get your stuff as early as YOU can and as early as YOU need to. If you have a 24 and 3.3, get your stuff in ASAP, you need to maximize your chances. But if you have a 32 and a 3.8, although you should apply early to increase you chances, you CAN afford to apply a little later. If the April MCAT doesn't work for you because you work and need a month of summer to study, then do that. You won't get rejected because you apply in September, but try not to apply too much later than that. The reasons you CAN apply a little later are:


1. (Provided you genuinely want to go DO): If there are 100 spots and you are an A student, high MCAT, volunteer, good interview, research, etc you will almost always be on top of the B student with an okay MCAT and the same ECs. Since the majority of DO students have the same ECs as everyone else, but a 3.5 and 27MCAT, if you're much higher than that with the same volunteer, shadow, interview skills, etc, you'll always be near the top no matter when you apply. So whether you're competing for 25 spots or 200, knowing the nature of the other applicants will mean that you should be close enough to the top of that pool that it doesn't matter so much; you should be one of the first to get an acceptance so it doesn't matter how many B+ 27MCAT students there are (again, provided you are normal, and really want to go to School X, and aren't using it as a safety when you don't get into MD school).


2. Some schools give auto-interviews if you have certain stats, so there is no 1-2 month waiting period for an interview. I took advantage of this and it allowed me to jump the gun on a few interviews and get some in September/October. (The same interview dates as the people who applied way back in May). So applying late can get you the same interview as someone who applied early, giving yourself the best chance of acceptance anyways.


So in the end, you should get ready early and then apply early. But you don't NEED to and there are ways around it. It won't be the end of you like everyone on SDN says. Great idea for a thread, blinkboy.
 
All premeds should write about how they want to do primary care or geriatrics. Do not write about radiology or dermatology.
 
I have a slightly different viewpoint, but advice nonetheless. I wrote my entire essay on August 30th, edited it on the 31st, and submitted my AACOMAS on September 1st. I submitted my first secondary on the 16th and got an interview invite that afternoon. I took an open spot on the 20th and was accepted 8 days later, for a total of 30 days from the time I wrote my essay until my first acceptance.

I am the pre-med that most pre-meds secretly hate; the non-neurotic one. I almost never go to class, I studied for the MCAT for 3 weeks and got 30+ and I spend more time playing intramural sports than studying.


I'm guessing this has more to do with your profound grasp on humility rather than your "non-neurotic" behavior... 🙄

Although, I do agree with some of what you said. Some people can apply in January and still get in, but that is not something that anyone should plan ahead for. It is much better to plan to submit early, than to say, "Nah, applying early isn't my style." I don't care what your stats are, applying early and taking early interviews is going to always be more beneficial to your application than applying late.
 
This was an amazing idea for a thread...

As a future applicant I would like some insight on the following:

1. Shadowing
(Shadowing/volunteering etc all make your application stand out, but I wanted to know how relative to DO do you think the experience has to be. In NY we have many DOs, however, they're all under busy schedules and haven't really been receptive to offering their time. Some of the MDs in my area are more compassionate...does it REALLY matter?)

2. Personal Statement
As per your advice... I'm gonna start my statement tonight... 😀 But I wanted to know the best way to approach the letter.

3. My Stats
(The goal is to apply ASAP with the Best Possible scores/grades you can. I'm standing on an 3.1 GPA. I'm planning to retake Orgo 2, and Physics 2 in the spring due to C- and to boost GPA. I have my MCAT pending in April '11. Any advice)


Any advice you can give would be great!!
 
This was an amazing idea for a thread...

As a future applicant I would like some insight on the following:

1. Shadowing
(Shadowing/volunteering etc all make your application stand out, but I wanted to know how relative to DO do you think the experience has to be. In NY we have many DOs, however, they're all under busy schedules and haven't really been receptive to offering their time. Some of the MDs in my area are more compassionate...does it REALLY matter?)

2. Personal Statement
As per your advice... I'm gonna start my statement tonight... 😀 But I wanted to know the best way to approach the letter.

3. My Stats
(The goal is to apply ASAP with the Best Possible scores/grades you can. I'm standing on an 3.1 GPA. I'm planning to retake Orgo 2, and Physics 2 in the spring due to C- and to boost GPA. I have my MCAT pending in April '11. Any advice)


Any advice you can give would be great!!

1. PM me where in NY you are from. I'm from the area too and I have a good DO you can shadow if that works.

2. It depends on what you want to convey!! Make it about what made you want to become a doctor, but in a creative way.

3. Its a good idea to retake. What is your science gpa? It will raise both. Are you taking a class for the mcat?
 
My advice would be:

ECs - Diversify and commit. I'm not talking about doing this, that and the other thing for a dozen or so hours. Do a handful of different things and do them for at least a year. A solid year each. Do multiple things at once. Milk the experience for everything its worth and only then will you be able to tell an adcom why it was meaningful to you. You need to see medicine from different viewpoints and that's what I mean by diversify. Test the waters in completely different disciplines and get a feel for what health care is like in this country.

Volunteer - They don't have to be medical. In fact, a majority of my experiences had nothing to do with medicine. They were more about building up the community I grew up in. These kinds of projects are what you should be spending your time on. Not pushing patients around hospital floors pretending you now know for SURE that you want to be a physician now. You can't possibly learn anything from an experience like that.

GPA - Obviously, you want both to be high but make sure at least one is working toward your benefit. You can't be a 3.0sGPA/2.9uGPA and expect to get into med school. Even if your sGPA is a 3.2, make damn sure your uGPA is a 3.7 or vice versa. One can be on the low side but they can't both be low.

MCAT - Not a deal breaker if it's a 26 or 27. But it'll get you in to a LOT of places if you're 30 or above. Places you didn't think you stood a chance at on the other side of the damn country will be looking your way if you can be above a 30. This thing is here to level the playing field so that Mr. Stanford 4.0 doesn't demolish the chances of Mr. No-Name University's 3.6. Guess what? The second guy had a many different life experiences and did some incredible things and met some incredible people. Mr. Stanford 4.0 may have done these things as well. But chances are - he spent all that time nose first in a textbook in his dorm because his UG demanded that from him.

LORs - Doctors and if you can, the head of the dept you're doing your volunteer or work at. Get to know your professors, blah blah blah, but definitely get a few good doctors to write you letters. A doctor's letter is way better than some PI or TA or a teacher who taught you in a class. Trust me, if a doctor is saying you'd be a good doctor someday, it'll go a long way. Get MDs and DOs to do this. And you don't have to watch some OMM procedure to know what a DO is. I have never seen a manipulation in my life and it hasn't kept me out of schools.

Get a job - seriously. or get married. show a committment to something. a job is a great way to show you're reliable, dependable and able to commit to something and to have responsibilities toward somebody ELSE. That's part of being a doctor. I was joking about getting married part but let me tell you something - married w/ children non-trad applicants don't need to become presidents of pre-med clubs to show leadership/teamwork abilities. they do it all the time. since it's unrealistic to get yourself hitched and put a bun in the oven before the next cycle, get a good job and stick with it. that'll show you can be counted on.

seriously, just gain life experiences and you'll be fine.
 
1. PM me where in NY you are from. I'm from the area too and I have a good DO you can shadow if that works.

2. It depends on what you want to convey!! Make it about what made you want to become a doctor, but in a creative way.

3. Its a good idea to retake. What is your science gpa? It will raise both. Are you taking a class for the mcat?



I will be taking an EK class for the April 11 MCAT. In the meantime I'm studying on my own. sGPA 2.8.
 
I'm guessing this has more to do with your profound grasp on humility rather than your "non-neurotic" behavior... 🙄

Although, I do agree with some of what you said. Some people can apply in January and still get in, but that is not something that anyone should plan ahead for. It is much better to plan to submit early, than to say, "Nah, applying early isn't my style." I don't care what your stats are, applying early and taking early interviews is going to always be more beneficial to your application than applying late.
Applying early will always benefit, which is why I said "you are taking a risk by doing that [applying late] and it would be better to do it all early...and although you should apply early to increase your chances, you CAN apply a little later." I just didn't want to discourage people from applying a little late if they can't get their stuff ready for June, and show that it is done all the time. I wanted to make people aware of the auto-interviews because they really helped me out.

My advice would be:

ECs - Diversify and commit Definitely, it's good to find a passion and follow it. I'm not talking about doing this, that and the other thing for a dozen or so hours. Do a handful of different things and do them for at least a year. A solid year each. Do multiple things at once. Milk the experience for everything its worth and only then will you be able to tell an adcom why it was meaningful to you. You need to see medicine from different viewpoints and that's what I mean by diversify. Test the waters in completely different disciplines and get a feel for what health care is like in this country.

Volunteer - They don't have to be medical. In fact, a majority of my experiences had nothing to do with medicine. They were more about building up the community I grew up in. These kinds of projects are what you should be spending your time on. Not pushing patients around hospital floors pretending you now know for SURE that you want to be a physician now. You can't possibly learn anything from an experience like that.

GPA - Obviously, you want both to be high but make sure at least one is working toward your benefit. You can't be a 3.0sGPA/2.9uGPA and expect to get into med school. Even if your sGPA is a 3.2, make damn sure your uGPA is a 3.7 or vice versa. One can be on the low side but they can't both be low.

MCAT - Not a deal breaker if it's a 26 or 27. But it'll get you in to a LOT of places if you're 30 or above. Places you didn't think you stood a chance at on the other side of the damn country will be looking your way if you can be above a 30. This thing is here to level the playing field so that Mr. Stanford 4.0 doesn't demolish the chances of Mr. No-Name University's 3.6. Guess what? The second guy had a many different life experiences and did some incredible things and met some incredible people. Mr. Stanford 4.0 may have done these things as well. But chances are - he spent all that time nose first in a textbook in his dorm because his UG demanded that from him. Don't be Mr. Textbook, you'll be better off without it. Like I said above, a 3.7 and a 30+ will get you an interview at most DO schools. The time you could have spent to get a 3.9 and a 33... spend that becoming a well-rounded, and interesting person instead.

LORs - Doctors and if you can, the head of the dept you're doing your volunteer or work at. Get to know your professors, blah blah blah, but definitely get a few good doctors to write you letters. A doctor's letter is way better than some PI or TA or a teacher who taught you in a class. Trust me, if a doctor is saying you'd be a good doctor someday, it'll go a long way. Get MDs and DOs to do this. And you don't have to watch some OMM procedure to know what a DO is. I have never seen a manipulation in my life and it hasn't kept me out of schools.

Get a job - seriously. or get married. show a committment to something. a job is a great way to show you're reliable, dependable and able to commit to something and to have responsibilities toward somebody ELSE. That's part of being a doctor. Another part is teaching. You will always have to explain diagnoses and procedures to patients, and you will need to learn to do this effectively. Tutoring is a great way to learn these skills. I was joking about getting married part but let me tell you something - married w/ children non-trad applicants don't need to become presidents of pre-med clubs to show leadership/teamwork abilities. they do it all the time. since it's unrealistic to get yourself hitched and put a bun in the oven before the next cycle, get a good job and stick with it. that'll show you can be counted on.

seriously, just gain life experiences and you'll be fine.
 
Sounds like good advice. Now for you experienced ones, how long should my essay be? Should it be single, 1.5, or double spaced? Can the topic be anything? What are good secondary essays to write in advance? Any help is appreciated, thanks.
 
...so should a 28Q (10PS, 8VR, 10BS) be retaken for DO schools? I hate the idea of retaking it for verbal...

No, I don't think any DO schools would screen out an 8 and that's all somebody with a 28Q needs to worry about. Obviously if you were a 24 with an 8-8-8 spread, I'd be more concerned for you because although you MIGHT pass the screening process, they'll still notice that all of your scores are fairly low. That would not end well. Two 10s in sections that actually matter and a decent, middle of the road written score means you're fine. 75% of the test went your way, 25% you slipped... a little.
 
Sounds like good advice. Now for you experienced ones, how long should my essay be? Should it be single, 1.5, or double spaced? Can the topic be anything? What are good secondary essays to write in advance? Any help is appreciated, thanks.

Your essay meaning your personal statement? The spacing won't matter because you drop it into your AACOMAS app and it messes up any formatting you made to it. But yes, if you were referring to the personal statement, you can talk about anything. Just make sure you talk about the way ALL your experiences shaped you into the person you are and left you mature enough to make the decision to apply to medical school. Don't say things like you know what it's like to be a doctor after these experiences because you don't. Don't say you want to help people, because no ****. Don't say anything jaded because negativity turns people off - you can be the bitter, old doctor later in life but not at this juncture.

As for the secondary essays, just be prepared to answer why DO and why our school for almost every school. You can look up the exact prompts for every school on this website but I can tell you right now, those questions are the most common. The second question is tough because you basically have to pay them compliments in a clever way. Instead of saying you liked something you read in their brochure, try coming up with ways a particular school will help you to be the doc you want to be. Also compare your UG school to the med school. Talk about your transition into med school and how it would be better or easier because of that school. Talk about the things you liked about your UG school and how you'd expect the same from the med school you're applying to. Honestly, it's a whole lot of BS but just make sure you don't make stupid, glaring mistakes in terms of grammar or spelling. Get someone to read it for you before you submit. Spend some time on it but honestly, I don't even know how closely these adcoms read them anyway. My theory is they're there for people who bombed the verbal and/or writing section to redeem themselves. And they want your money.
 
Sorry, I did mean to say the personal statement. Is there a character or word limit?
 
Sorry, I did mean to say the personal statement. Is there a character or word limit?

Yeah, and somebody out there, please correct me if I'm wrong. It's 3,500 characters for DO (pretty sure) and I think 4,500 characters for MD. For some reason 5,200 is in my head for MD but I think that's wrong. I don't know what 5,200 could mean. My brain is weird like that...
 
My two biggest advice:

1. Get your LORs early and don't wait till last minute

2. study for your mcat, do it right so you don't have to it more than once.
 
I'm also going to give some more advice...

honestly, do not listen to half the people on here. People are going to try to tell you you can't do it. Honestly, only you really know if you can. There will be people who talk down on you for going the DO route... Again, do not listen to them. I knew that I wanted to apply to 25 schools total. I did this on AMCAS, AACOMAS, and TMDSAS. I researched every single school and came up with a top 25 list consisting of some reaches, some places I should get in, and some safeties. You will know where you feel most comfortable when you go to the schools for interviews.
 
This is all the advice you will ever need as a pre-medical student. Each point is not necessarily numbered according to importance.

1. The Role of Advisers (or: Plan your own future, don't let others plan it for you)



"Pre-med advisers" are not necessarily the best source for information or opinions on whether or not you have a chance at being admitted. Some are okay, a few are really good but most are absolutely clueless. Don't let any of them tell you have no shot. I never had this happen to me but I know people who did. I consulted with the pre-med adviser at my undergrad one time and that was enough for me. I did my own research and planned my classes by bouncing ideas around with my regular adviser. At some schools, the pre-medical adviser is your sole academic adviser. At mine things were different. In either case, you should look at your schools course catalog and cross-reference it with the requirements listed in the MSAR and the AOA College Book. I can't even begin to tell you how many kids would bitch and moan about taking the wrong chemistry course or taking a math class that no school required (some would say that higher level math courses look really good on an application and maybe they are correct but that doesn't mean a marginal student should take physical chemistry for the sole reason that it might "stand out"). People who did this usually were the type who didn't make it as a pre-med and switched to something else because they do not have enough invested in their future to do their own research.

Just like you shouldn't accept the class schedule your regular adviser devises for you each semester without question, you shouldn't accept any of the advice the pre-med adviser gives you without checking yourself. You should examine the schools you are interested in going to and find the appropriate courses. Don't be an idiot and ass/u/me that just because someone has the title "adviser" that they know what the hell they are talking about. There is a good reason why third party medical school admissions consulting is thriving and it is not because the average university adviser is all that knowledgeable. If you want to be a lazy sap and just go along with what the adviser says without doing your own research, good luck to ya Johnson.

2. Class and MCAT scheduling (or: Pain first, play later)
Finish all pre-medical classes by the end of your junior year and take the MCAT BEFORE the summer between junior and senior year. In fact, I would even suggest that you finish them by sophomore year if possible. If I could go back and do it all again, I would have taken my basic 200-level biology and inorganic chemistry classes freshman year, physics during the summer between freshman and sophomore year and organic chemistry during sophomore year.



Why do I say this? There are a couple of reasons: first you will have the requirements out of the way and won't have to worry about whether a class will be full when you need to register for it, you will have a solid knowledgebase upon which to begin studying for the MCAT and you can spend your senior year focused only on interviews.



You should spend your junior year taking upper-level biology and major requirements (if you aren't a biology major) while studying for the MCAT. Make sure to take the MCAT BEFORE the summer between junior and senior year. Why? Simple: you should have everything you need ready to go to submit your application on June 1st. Don't be like me and worry about applications, letters of rec., MCAT studying etc. all during your junior year. Even worse would be piling all of that on-top of taking some of the harder pre-requisite courses.


Your junior year should basically be your busiest year. Even if you follow my advice and finish your pre-reqs during frosh and soph year, you should still being doing research, fully engaged in extra-curricular work, MCAT studying and preparing the primary. More on junior year later. And as an aside note, make sure you start asking for LORs as early as possible. Ask for them at least 3 months before June 1st. When you ask for them, make sure you give them everything they might need:


a. make out an envelope to AMCAS and/or AACOMAS/Interfolio with a stamp
b. give letter writers a copy of transcript and a short resume
c. hand them a brief one-page letter clearly noting the deadline you need it by and thank them for agreeing to write you one.


3. Extra-curricular activities (or: Stand-out)


Don't do stupid extra-curricular activities that every other "pre-med" ***** is doing. Everyone will shadow, volunteer at a nursing home, etc. Find some way to set yourself apart. I did a whole host of leadership stuff; I was the chairman of student government and then the student member to the university board of trustees. Being able to say on my application that I sat as a voting member of the board that allocates hundreds of millions of dollars yearly set me up for some interesting interview questions that I know stayed in the minds of the people I interviewed with long after I left. Aside from grades and MCAT score, these are the sub-categories of extra-curricular activities I would engage in:

a. Volunteer (Non-paid) medically related work (i.e. hospital volunteer)
b. Volunteer (Non-paid) non-medically related work (i.e. some volunteer organization on your campus; habitat for humanity)
c. Paid work/employment (even if its a summer job)
d. Research (see below)
e. Shadowing (aside from what you see if you volunteer in the hospital, get a good number of hours following around at least one physician enough to get a good letter from).

Also, make sure you do research. I did year long research in psychopharmacology assisting in 4 different studies, some of which are being prepared for publication. Research along with the other extra-curricular endeavors will make you seem like a very well-rounded applicant. I wouldn't go overboard on the research though. Do something that interests you and don't feel pressured to have your own project. You can simply help grad students with theirs. As long as you do a good job and get a letter of rec from the faculty member in charge of the lab, I think that is sufficient. I see too many premies working tirelessly in the lab to produce something on their own which eventually forces them to sacrifice time in other important areas (i.e. extra-curriculars and even their own school work). You can do what you want, but I'd say it is far more important to be well-rounded than to be a standout in one area alone.


4. Studying (or: Get good grades and a good MCAT score)


Get help in classes you struggle with. Make sure you study long and hard with a sufficient number of MCAT practice tests. Advice on all of this can be found in other areas but most of it is pretty obvious.
Plan your life around keeping distractions to a minimum.



My junior year was hell. I did research, had 4 courses with labs each semester, I was chairman of the student government and was studying for the MCAT all at the same time. Meanwhile, I was living in a house with 4 of my close friends and partying three nights a week. I was in a long-term relationship that I kept holding on to even while it was driving me insane. To make the long story short, I didn't do as well in my classes or on my first MCAT as I could have done. In the end, everything worked out and I was accepted to medical school but my poor planning cost me an entire year. Don't let this happen to you. Plan early and intelligently. Prioritize. Your grades and MCAT are more important than other parts of your application.



5. Stay out of trouble


Another obvious tidbit that I won't expound upon. Stay away from drugs and the people that do them. Don't get caught drinking underage. All of these things you must disclose on an application. Some will not be a big deal, others will definitely keep you out of medical school. How many stories have I heard on these forums of otherwise dedicated students with stellar numbers falling short of the finish line because they did something stupid like getting caught in a dorm room their senior year smoking a bong by one of the campus police officers? Imagine doing everything right and falling on your face for some stupid reason at the end of the tunnel. It will haunt you for a very long time.



6. Not everything is about getting into medical school


The other point I want to make is about perseverance. This pre-med path is probably the most difficult path you can take as an undergrad. It requires a great deal of sacrifice and dedication. While my friends were out at the bar for $1.00 bottle Wednesdays, I found myself alone in my dark and cold room reading and re-reading a chapter on thermodynamics. While my girlfriend was out partying with our friends on a Saturday, I was in the lab doing research. Obviously I was able to engage in the party lifestyle here and there but it was simply not possible for me to do it at every opportunity like many of the people you will meet in college.
What is even harder about this is that many of your friends and even family members will not understand this. Try and explain it to them and maybe they will understand. Even if they don't, true friends will always support you even if they can't empathize.



Not everyone will make it. Go into your freshman year biology class and take a look at how many kids are calling themselves "pre-med." Many of them will be gone by the end of the semester and half will be gone by the end of freshman year. By the time you get to 2nd semester organic chemistry, there will be only a handful of you left. And that doesn't include the number of people who will actually be successful on the MCAT and get accepted. This ship that you are on will lose a lot of cargo before it reaches the harbor. Don't this is discourage you. In fact, it should only make you even more driven to succeed. And in the end, you may be one of the people who leaves. It could be because the work is too difficult or the sacrifice is too great. It could also be that you are simply interested in something else. There is nothing wrong with this. This path isn't for everyone and that's okay. Unwilling and incapable are two totally separate things.



On a separate note, it is important to have a life outside of the library. If you spend your entire college years focused solely on getting into medical school you will regret it. Have a social life. Go out with friends. Date girls who drive you crazy (just not during junior year). These years should be fun. Get your work done first but have some fun. As my dad always told me, "Work hard and play harder." If you do everything you need to do when you need to do it you get to do what you want to do when you want to do it. Okay there are a million quotes you can reference. Just please don't be the person who's life revolves around school. When you are spending over 80 hours a week in a hospital as a 3rd year medical student, it will be comforting to at least have some of the memories of the good times you had when you weren't an indentured servant 🙂.
 
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cbrons I think you did an amazing job summarizing everything for the typical, I just got into college/I am somewhere in the middle of college student.

Some of your advice even extends far past that (Advice on perseverance, LORs, and discouragement) however....

Does anyone have advice for GAP YEAR premeds, who have already taken prereqs, graduated college and are just working towards enhancing their apps before they apply for the upcoming cycle?


What are the BEST ways of enhancing apps if you've already got "somewhat" decent grades and already given up your complete social life to dedicate to murdering :meanie: the MCAT exam?
 
cbron's post is probably one of the best one's I've seen on this website. All incoming freshman that are interested in medicine should read it. Too bad I came on the pre-med train kind of late 🙄
 
This is all the advice you will ever need as a pre-medical student. Each point is not necessarily numbered according to importance.

Forwarding this post to my freshman pre-med friends.
 
Nice, well thought out post, Cbrons.

The only thing I would add is common sense, but you would be surprised how many people fall into this trap:

DON'T SACRIFICE GRADES FOR EC'S!!! EVER! That said, EC's are very important, but you won't make it past the screener if you don't have the grades. I would suggest choosing between 2 and 3 activities you really enjoy and getting involved in those. Don't spread yourself too thin by trying to get into club A-Z. That's a mistake and makes for a meaningless activities section on your application and detracts from things you enjoy. It can also stress you out and negatively impact your grades. Even if you want to choose just 1 activity and do it really well, that is plenty (obviously this doesn't include volunteering [Target ~100 hours] or shadowing [Target ~40 hours], more hours is not always better. Only get more hours if really enjoy what you are doing and/or really want to go to a school that "requires" more, i.e., MSU).



Yeah, and somebody out there, please correct me if I'm wrong. It's 3,500 characters for DO (pretty sure) and I think 4,500 characters for MD. For some reason 5,200 is in my head for MD but I think that's wrong. I don't know what 5,200 could mean. My brain is weird like that...

Personal statements:

AACOMAS: 4,500 Characters

AMCAS: 5,200 characters

Do not double space, unless it's between paragraphs. The easiest thing to do for these essays is to write the AMCAS essay, then remove your research paragraph for AACOMAS. You should be right about spot on at your character limit.


@DrPrincipessa, No, a 28 with an 8 in VR will not bar you from most, if not all DO schools. It will possibly even get you interviews at your state MD school (depending on your state), other in-state private MD schools, and other private/public schools OOS.
 
This is all the advice you will ever need as a pre-medical student. Each point is not necessarily numbered according to importance.

1. The Role of Advisers (or: Plan your own future, don't let others plan it for you)



"Pre-med advisers" are not necessarily the best source for information or opinions on whether or not you have a chance at being admitted. Some are okay, a few are really good but most are absolutely clueless. Don't let any of them tell you have no shot. I never had this happen to me but I know people who did. I consulted with the pre-med adviser at my undergrad one time and that was enough for me. I did my own research and planned my classes by bouncing ideas around with my regular adviser. At some schools, the pre-medical adviser is your sole academic adviser. At mine things were different. In either case, you should look at your schools course catalog and cross-reference it with the requirements listed in the MSAR and the AOA College Book. I can't even begin to tell you how many kids would bitch and moan about taking the wrong chemistry course or taking a math class that no school required (some would say that higher level math courses look really good on an application and maybe they are correct but that doesn't mean a marginal student should take physical chemistry for the sole reason that it might "stand out"). People who did this usually were the type who didn't make it as a pre-med and switched to something else because they do not have enough invested in their future to do their own research.

Just like you shouldn't accept the class schedule your regular adviser devises for you each semester without question, you shouldn't accept any of the advice the pre-med adviser gives you without checking yourself. You should examine the schools you are interested in going to and find the appropriate courses. Don't be an idiot and ass/u/me that just because someone has the title "adviser" that they know what the hell they are talking about. There is a good reason why third party medical school admissions consulting is thriving and it is not because the average university adviser is all that knowledgeable. If you want to be a lazy sap and just go along with what the adviser says without doing your own research, good luck to ya Johnson.

2. Class and MCAT scheduling (or: Pain first, play later)
Finish all pre-medical classes by the end of your junior year and take the MCAT BEFORE the summer between junior and senior year. In fact, I would even suggest that you finish them by sophomore year if possible. If I could go back and do it all again, I would have taken my basic 200-level biology and inorganic chemistry classes freshman year, physics during the summer between freshman and sophomore year and organic chemistry during sophomore year.



Why do I say this? There are a couple of reasons: first you will have the requirements out of the way and won't have to worry about whether a class will be full when you need to register for it, you will have a solid knowledgebase upon which to begin studying for the MCAT and you can spend your senior year focused only on interviews.



You should spend your junior year taking upper-level biology and major requirements (if you aren't a biology major) while studying for the MCAT. Make sure to take the MCAT BEFORE the summer between junior and senior year. Why? Simple: you should have everything you need ready to go to submit your application on June 1st. Don't be like me and worry about applications, letters of rec., MCAT studying etc. all during your junior year. Even worse would be piling all of that on-top of taking some of the harder pre-requisite courses.


Your junior year should basically be your busiest year. Even if you follow my advice and finish your pre-reqs during frosh and soph year, you should still being doing research, fully engaged in extra-curricular work, MCAT studying and preparing the primary. More on junior year later. And as an aside note, make sure you start asking for LORs as early as possible. Ask for them at least 3 months before June 1st. When you ask for them, make sure you give them everything they might need:


a. make out an envelope to AMCAS and/or AACOMAS/Interfolio with a stamp
b. give letter writers a copy of transcript and a short resume
c. hand them a brief one-page letter clearly noting the deadline you need it by and thank them for agreeing to write you one.


3. Extra-curricular activities (or: Stand-out)


Don't do stupid extra-curricular activities that every other "pre-med" ***** is doing. Everyone will shadow, volunteer at a nursing home, etc. Find some way to set yourself apart. I did a whole host of leadership stuff; I was the chairman of student government and then the student member to the university board of trustees. Being able to say on my application that I sat as a voting member of the board that allocates hundreds of millions of dollars yearly set me up for some interesting interview questions that I know stayed in the minds of the people I interviewed with long after I left. Aside from grades and MCAT score, these are the sub-categories of extra-curricular activities I would engage in:

a. Volunteer (Non-paid) medically related work (i.e. hospital volunteer)
b. Volunteer (Non-paid) non-medically related work (i.e. some volunteer organization on your campus; habitat for humanity)
c. Paid work/employment (even if its a summer job)
d. Research (see below)
e. Shadowing (aside from what you see if you volunteer in the hospital, get a good number of hours following around at least one physician enough to get a good letter from).

Also, make sure you do research. I did year long research in psychopharmacology assisting in 4 different studies, some of which are being prepared for publication. Research along with the other extra-curricular endeavors will make you seem like a very well-rounded applicant. I wouldn't go overboard on the research though. Do something that interests you and don't feel pressured to have your own project. You can simply help grad students with theirs. As long as you do a good job and get a letter of rec from the faculty member in charge of the lab, I think that is sufficient. I see too many premies working tirelessly in the lab to produce something on their own which eventually forces them to sacrifice time in other important areas (i.e. extra-curriculars and even their own school work). You can do what you want, but I'd say it is far more important to be well-rounded than to be a standout in one area alone.


4. Studying (or: Get good grades and a good MCAT score)


Get help in classes you struggle with. Make sure you study long and hard with a sufficient number of MCAT practice tests. Advice on all of this can be found in other areas but most of it is pretty obvious.
Plan your life around keeping distractions to a minimum.



My junior year was hell. I did research, had 4 courses with labs each semester, I was chairman of the student government and was studying for the MCAT all at the same time. Meanwhile, I was living in a house with 4 of my close friends and partying three nights a week. I was in a long-term relationship that I kept holding on to even while it was driving me insane. To make the long story short, I didn't do as well in my classes or on my first MCAT as I could have done. In the end, everything worked out and I was accepted to medical school but my poor planning cost me an entire year. Don't let this happen to you. Plan early and intelligently. Prioritize. Your grades and MCAT are more important than other parts of your application.



5. Stay out of trouble


Another obvious tidbit that I won't expound upon. Stay away from drugs and the people that do them. Don't get caught drinking underage. All of these things you must disclose on an application. Some will not be a big deal, others will definitely keep you out of medical school. How many stories have I heard on these forums of otherwise dedicated students with stellar numbers falling short of the finish line because they did something stupid like getting caught in a dorm room their senior year smoking a bong by one of the campus police officers? Imagine doing everything right and falling on your face for some stupid reason at the end of the tunnel. It will haunt you for a very long time.



6. Not everything is about getting into medical school


The other point I want to make is about perseverance. This pre-med path is probably the most difficult path you can take as an undergrad. It requires a great deal of sacrifice and dedication. While my friends were out at the bar for $1.00 bottle Wednesdays, I found myself alone in my dark and cold room reading and re-reading a chapter on thermodynamics. While my girlfriend was out partying with our friends on a Saturday, I was in the lab doing research. Obviously I was able to engage in the party lifestyle here and there but it was simply not possible for me to do it at every opportunity like many of the people you will meet in college.
What is even harder about this is that many of your friends and even family members will not understand this. Try and explain it to them and maybe they will understand. Even if they don't, true friends will always support you even if they can't empathize.



Not everyone will make it. Go into your freshman year biology class and take a look at how many kids are calling themselves "pre-med." Many of them will be gone by the end of the semester and half will be gone by the end of freshman year. By the time you get to 2nd semester organic chemistry, there will be only a handful of you left. And that doesn't include the number of people who will actually be successful on the MCAT and get accepted. This ship that you are on will lose a lot of cargo before it reaches the harbor. Don't this is discourage you. In fact, it should only make you even more driven to succeed. And in the end, you may be one of the people who leaves. It could be because the work is too difficult or the sacrifice is too great. It could also be that you are simply interested in something else. There is nothing wrong with this. This path isn't for everyone and that's okay. Unwilling and incapable are two totally separate things.



On a separate note, it is important to have a life outside of the library. If you spend your entire college years focused solely on getting into medical school you will regret it. Have a social life. Go out with friends. Date girls who drive you crazy (just not during junior year). These years should be fun. Get your work done first but have some fun. As my dad always told me, "Work hard and play harder." If you do everything you need to do when you need to do it you get to do what you want to do when you want to do it. Okay there are a million quotes you can reference. Just please don't be the person who's life revolves around school. When you are spending over 80 hours a week doing bitch work in a hospital as a 3rd year medical student, it will be comforting to at least have some of the memories of the good times you had when you weren't an indentured servant.



Please give me some reviews on this because I am going to eventually expand it and it will be given to every freshman pre-med student at my undergrad. Institution.

This should be stickied. The only thing I can add is apply early early early!
 
This is all the advice you will ever need as a pre-medical student. Each point is not necessarily numbered according to importance.

1. The Role of Advisers (or: Plan your own future, don’t let others plan it for you)



"Pre-med advisers" are not necessarily the best source for information or opinions on whether or not you have a chance at being admitted. Some are okay, a few are really good but most are absolutely clueless. Don't let any of them tell you have no shot. I never had this happen to me but I know people who did. I consulted with the pre-med adviser at my undergrad one time and that was enough for me. I did my own research and planned my classes by bouncing ideas around with my regular adviser. At some schools, the pre-medical adviser is your sole academic adviser. At mine things were different. In either case, you should look at your schools course catalog and cross-reference it with the requirements listed in the MSAR and the AOA College Book. I can’t even begin to tell you how many kids would bitch and moan about taking the wrong chemistry course or taking a math class that no school required (some would say that higher level math courses look really good on an application and maybe they are correct but that doesn’t mean a marginal student should take physical chemistry for the sole reason that it might “stand out”). People who did this usually were the type who didn’t make it as a pre-med and switched to something else because they do not have enough invested in their future to do their own research.

Just like you shouldn't accept the class schedule your regular adviser devises for you each semester without question, you shouldn't accept any of the advice the pre-med adviser gives you without checking yourself. You should examine the schools you are interested in going to and find the appropriate courses. Don't be an idiot and ass/u/me that just because someone has the title "adviser" that they know what the hell they are talking about. There is a good reason why third party medical school admissions consulting is thriving and it is not because the average university adviser is all that knowledgeable. If you want to be a lazy sap and just go along with what the adviser says without doing your own research, good luck to ya Johnson.

2. Class and MCAT scheduling (or: Pain first, play later)
Finish all pre-medical classes by the end of your junior year and take the MCAT BEFORE the summer between junior and senior year. In fact, I would even suggest that you finish them by sophomore year if possible. If I could go back and do it all again, I would have taken my basic 200-level biology and inorganic chemistry classes freshman year, physics during the summer between freshman and sophomore year and organic chemistry during sophomore year.



Why do I say this? There are a couple of reasons: first you will have the requirements out of the way and won’t have to worry about whether a class will be full when you need to register for it, you will have a solid knowledgebase upon which to begin studying for the MCAT and you can spend your senior year focused only on interviews.



You should spend your junior year taking upper-level biology and major requirements (if you aren’t a biology major) while studying for the MCAT. Make sure to take the MCAT BEFORE the summer between junior and senior year. Why? Simple: you should have everything you need ready to go to submit your application on June 1st. Don’t be like me and worry about applications, letters of rec., MCAT studying etc. all during your junior year. Even worse would be piling all of that on-top of taking some of the harder pre-requisite courses.


Your junior year should basically be your busiest year. Even if you follow my advice and finish your pre-reqs during frosh and soph year, you should still being doing research, fully engaged in extra-curricular work, MCAT studying and preparing the primary. More on junior year later. And as an aside note, make sure you start asking for LORs as early as possible. Ask for them at least 3 months before June 1st. When you ask for them, make sure you give them everything they might need:


a. make out an envelope to AMCAS and/or AACOMAS/Interfolio with a stamp
b. give letter writers a copy of transcript and a short resume
c. hand them a brief one-page letter clearly noting the deadline you need it by and thank them for agreeing to write you one.


3. Extra-curricular activities (or: Stand-out)


Don't do stupid extra-curricular activities that every other "pre-med" ***** is doing. Everyone will shadow, volunteer at a nursing home, etc. Find some way to set yourself apart. I did a whole host of leadership stuff; I was the chairman of student government and then the student member to the university board of trustees. Being able to say on my application that I sat as a voting member of the board that allocates hundreds of millions of dollars yearly set me up for some interesting interview questions that I know stayed in the minds of the people I interviewed with long after I left. Aside from grades and MCAT score, these are the sub-categories of extra-curricular activities I would engage in:

a. Volunteer (Non-paid) medically related work (i.e. hospital volunteer)
b. Volunteer (Non-paid) non-medically related work (i.e. some volunteer organization on your campus; habitat for humanity)
c. Paid work/employment (even if its a summer job)
d. Research (see below)
e. Shadowing (aside from what you see if you volunteer in the hospital, get a good number of hours following around at least one physician enough to get a good letter from).

Also, make sure you do research. I did year long research in psychopharmacology assisting in 4 different studies, some of which are being prepared for publication. Research along with the other extra-curricular endeavors will make you seem like a very well-rounded applicant. I wouldn't go overboard on the research though. Do something that interests you and don't feel pressured to have your own project. You can simply help grad students with theirs. As long as you do a good job and get a letter of rec from the faculty member in charge of the lab, I think that is sufficient. I see too many premies working tirelessly in the lab to produce something on their own which eventually forces them to sacrifice time in other important areas (i.e. extra-curriculars and even their own school work). You can do what you want, but I'd say it is far more important to be well-rounded than to be a standout in one area alone.


4. Studying (or: Get good grades and a good MCAT score)


Get help in classes you struggle with. Make sure you study long and hard with a sufficient number of MCAT practice tests. Advice on all of this can be found in other areas but most of it is pretty obvious.
Plan your life around keeping distractions to a minimum.



My junior year was hell. I did research, had 4 courses with labs each semester, I was chairman of the student government and was studying for the MCAT all at the same time. Meanwhile, I was living in a house with 4 of my close friends and partying three nights a week. I was in a long-term relationship that I kept holding on to even while it was driving me insane. To make the long story short, I didn’t do as well in my classes or on my first MCAT as I could have done. In the end, everything worked out and I was accepted to medical school but my poor planning cost me an entire year. Don’t let this happen to you. Plan early and intelligently. Prioritize. Your grades and MCAT are more important than other parts of your application.



5. Stay out of trouble


Another obvious tidbit that I won’t expound upon. Stay away from drugs and the people that do them. Don’t get caught drinking underage. All of these things you must disclose on an application. Some will not be a big deal, others will definitely keep you out of medical school. How many stories have I heard on these forums of otherwise dedicated students with stellar numbers falling short of the finish line because they did something stupid like getting caught in a dorm room their senior year smoking a bong by one of the campus police officers? Imagine doing everything right and falling on your face for some stupid reason at the end of the tunnel. It will haunt you for a very long time.



6. Not everything is about getting into medical school


The other point I want to make is about perseverance. This pre-med path is probably the most difficult path you can take as an undergrad. It requires a great deal of sacrifice and dedication. While my friends were out at the bar for $1.00 bottle Wednesdays, I found myself alone in my dark and cold room reading and re-reading a chapter on thermodynamics. While my girlfriend was out partying with our friends on a Saturday, I was in the lab doing research. Obviously I was able to engage in the party lifestyle here and there but it was simply not possible for me to do it at every opportunity like many of the people you will meet in college.
What is even harder about this is that many of your friends and even family members will not understand this. Try and explain it to them and maybe they will understand. Even if they don’t, true friends will always support you even if they can’t empathize.



Not everyone will make it. Go into your freshman year biology class and take a look at how many kids are calling themselves “pre-med.” Many of them will be gone by the end of the semester and half will be gone by the end of freshman year. By the time you get to 2nd semester organic chemistry, there will be only a handful of you left. And that doesn’t include the number of people who will actually be successful on the MCAT and get accepted. This ship that you are on will lose a lot of cargo before it reaches the harbor. Don’t this is discourage you. In fact, it should only make you even more driven to succeed. And in the end, you may be one of the people who leaves. It could be because the work is too difficult or the sacrifice is too great. It could also be that you are simply interested in something else. There is nothing wrong with this. This path isn’t for everyone and that’s okay. Unwilling and incapable are two totally separate things.



On a separate note, it is important to have a life outside of the library. If you spend your entire college years focused solely on getting into medical school you will regret it. Have a social life. Go out with friends. Date girls who drive you crazy (just not during junior year). These years should be fun. Get your work done first but have some fun. As my dad always told me, “Work hard and play harder.” If you do everything you need to do when you need to do it you get to do what you want to do when you want to do it. Okay there are a million quotes you can reference. Just please don’t be the person who’s life revolves around school. When you are spending over 80 hours a week doing bitch work in a hospital as a 3rd year medical student, it will be comforting to at least have some of the memories of the good times you had when you weren’t an indentured servant.



Please give me some reviews on this because I am going to eventually expand it and it will be given to every freshman pre-med student at my undergrad. Institution.

awesome post, cbrons 👍👍
 
My advice would be:

GPA - Obviously, you want both to be high but make sure at least one is working toward your benefit. You can't be a 3.0sGPA/2.9uGPA and expect to get into med school. Even if your sGPA is a 3.2, make damn sure your uGPA is a 3.7 or vice versa. One can be on the low side but they can't both be low.

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This is not true at all. There is a whole forum called "Underdogs" which has proven that wrong. People on there have gotten in with those kind of stats already this cycle.

Also take myself as an example. My gpa is somewhere around there and I have two interviews in the next 2 weeks
 
Cbrons, I'm very impressed and agree with you 100000%. 👍
 
This is not true at all. There is a whole forum called "Underdogs" which has proven that wrong. People on there have gotten in with those kind of stats already this cycle.

Also take myself as an example. My gpa is somewhere around there and I have two interviews in the next 2 weeks

Although this is true, I feel like we shouldn't encourage people to believe that it happens often. Or that they're just as likely to get in with those stats.
 
Although this is true, I feel like we shouldn't encourage people to believe that it happens often. Or that they're just as likely to get in with those stats.
and if you notice most of them are non-trads or folks w/a graduate degree.
 
This is not true at all. There is a whole forum called "Underdogs" which has proven that wrong. People on there have gotten in with those kind of stats already this cycle.

Also take myself as an example. My gpa is somewhere around there and I have two interviews in the next 2 weeks

Good luck to you, I hope you get in. But I have to agree with the posters above me, those individuals with those stats have a pretty big uphill battle against them. I've read this underdog thread and was seeing things like MCAT scores making up for low GPAs. Or really awesome graduate GPAs doing the talking. Something has got to make up for two low undergraduate GPAs, else it's very unlikely those individuals will even meet the minimum requirements at most schools. Nevertheless, I think a person could be a good doctor if they have low GPAs and MCATs. But it's tough to convince a medical school admissions committee of that.
 
I am by no means encouraging people to think that they can get away with low grades and be rewarded in the end. I myself look back at my freshman grades and shake my head at my party habits etc. However, if other aspects of an application can make a person stand out above a poor GPA, than it is possible to get in with a low GPA (below 3.4 in my opinion is low). But ya as far as making up for it, you are completely right. I have a low GPA but a 30R MCAT and tons of ECs. If I had anything lower on the MCAT or any worse on ECs, I for sure would doubt anyone could get in.

To those future applicants reading this message who are early into your university, I suggest you work your butt off because the first two years can come back to bite you in the butt. Sure you can retake courses, but its a waste of time in my opinion and money. When I retook BIO II, every time I studied I was so mad at myself because I didnt try properly the first time and yet here I was 4 years later making up for my immaturity of the past. HOWEVER, if you are at the end of your degree and REALLY want to pursue medicine despite a low gpa....just know there is some form of hope because people go against the norm all the time and get in. Good luck
 
Thank you for all of the advice! I was just going to post a thread in the forums with a similar question.

Can any of you take it a step further and point me toward an adequate "timeline" for a traditional student?
I cant seem to find one that covers all the bases, so to speak.

What I know so far is that MCATs are offered in the Spring, usually in April; August MCATs are a no-no unless you're really pushing the limit, and applying earlier is better (but, when is the question). Any information would be most helpful.

It's frustrating being the only "pre-med" in my friends circle at a university with an overworked, unreachable Science Advising centre. Most of my information comes from outdated library books or haphazard internet sources lol. SDN's been helping a lot with that...
 
Thank you for all of the advice! I was just going to post a thread in the forums with a similar question.

Can any of you take it a step further and point me toward an adequate "timeline" for a traditional student?
I cant seem to find one that covers all the bases, so to speak.

What I know so far is that MCATs are offered in the Spring, usually in April; August MCATs are a no-no unless you're really pushing the limit, and applying earlier is better (but, when is the question). Any information would be most helpful.

It's frustrating being the only "pre-med" in my friends circle at a university with an overworked, unreachable Science Advising centre. Most of my information comes from outdated library books or haphazard internet sources lol. SDN's been helping a lot with that...


Here are a couple helpful links for you from the AAMC:

Timeline:

https://www.aamc.org/students/considering/gettingin/62796/considering_timeline.html

Other helpful resources:

https://www.aamc.org/students/considering/


In terms of when to apply, in an ideal world you would have everything together and ready to submit June 1st, that means you completed your MCAT by the end of April, completed your PS, and completed your application with all of your activities, etc..

Now in the real world this isn't possible for everyone. So, usually if you can submit by early July, you will still be early, since most schools don't even send out secondaries until the end of July or August. From when you receive your secondary, it should be your goal to complete each within ~3 days (a week if you have a lot of them, but no longer than that). You don't want to sit on those secondaries. Don't get overwhelmed by them either though, because you can reuse a lot of your talking points and pieces from essays, but this isn't always the case. You don't want to force a fit for your recycled essays that isn't there.

Also, you should consider yourself lucky that you don't have many pre-med friends. It is a nice relief from all of the stress of your everyday life to mingle with people with other interests that aren't as likely to be completely neurotic, and you can hold discussions that aren't solely medically related, etc..
 
I can give you MY timeline, which seems to be a more common trend these days (5 years to do UGrad instead of 4).

First year community college: No volunteering, partied, took some intro sciences.

First year University: Got involved with volunteering at hospitals and other medical stuff + sports**. Joined a "Pre-med club (what a joke)" which gave "advice" and took basic sciences

Year two: Chose major, I chose Biochem. Continued same volunteering and tried other sports.

Summer 2-3: Took MCAT. Thought it would be easy, didnt study much. Got a LOW mcat.

Year Three: Realized Biochem can kiss my ass, and switched into Pharmacology & Physiology. Continued to volunter + sports, joined a fraternity. **Learned how to get high grades through being organized (had ALOT of extracurriculars)**. Also, took physiology, microbiology & immunology, which helped with MCAT retake.

Summer 3-4: Took MCAT again. Studied for 2 months, instead of 4. Im telling you, you WILL NOT succeed on the MCAT if you take the whole summer. A few can, but most cannot simply because they get bored and distracted...and leave studying till last minute. People start strong than slowly the engine slows down over summer. I got a 30R the second time by taking 8 weeks to study EFFICIENTLY, plus I had courses that helped me. Applied to my schools MD medical program. Rejected pre-interview.

Year 4: Slowed down the volunteering a tiny bit, continued to be involved in my fraternity, had a lot of fun in fourth year, and with my momentum as well as being ORGANIZED.... got a 3.9 with hard upper level sciences (anatomy, virology, endocrinology, exercise physiology, and pharmacology). Graduate. Discovered Osteopathic Medicine early in fourth year.... best discovery of my life, hands down.

Summer 4: retake BIO II at College, got an A+.....apply to DO schools late in summer (August)...retaking OChem II as we speak..getting 96 in the course....

My Status: 3.2 GPA, 30R MCAT, Two interviews, on hold at 3 schools (until I finish OChem II retake), rejected from 3, havent heard from 4? (i think 4)

thats my personal time-line. I hope you can get an idea of what worked for me, and get ideas of what will work for you. Good luck🙂
 
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Thanks for the Links MightyMoose and for the personal experience Drctother! I've been living vicariously through the people posting on the pre-med/med forums and I figured it's time I actually had to be doing something (because the "just work on your grades" advice isn't working out to the 4.0 ideal 😛).

Also, you should consider yourself lucky that you don't have many pre-med friends. It is a nice relief from all of the stress of your everyday life to mingle with people with other interests that aren't as likely to be completely neurotic, and you can hold discussions that aren't solely medically related, etc..

Haha, I suppose that'd the flip side of the coin. Actually, pre-meds stay on the DL at my University (we're pretty scorned when we publicly say it. It's like wearing the proverbial scarlet letter); I wish I had the competitive support system (like some of the more vicious SDN forums):laugh:. Everyone that I know is either pre-law or an art student.
 
This is all the advice you will ever need as a pre-medical student. Each point is not necessarily numbered according to importance.

1. The Role of Advisers (or: Plan your own future, don’t let others plan it for you)



"Pre-med advisers" are not necessarily the best source for information or opinions on whether or not you have a chance at being admitted. Some are okay, a few are really good but most are absolutely clueless. Don't let any of them tell you have no shot. I never had this happen to me but I know people who did. I consulted with the pre-med adviser at my undergrad one time and that was enough for me. I did my own research and planned my classes by bouncing ideas around with my regular adviser. At some schools, the pre-medical adviser is your sole academic adviser. At mine things were different. In either case, you should look at your schools course catalog and cross-reference it with the requirements listed in the MSAR and the AOA College Book. I can’t even begin to tell you how many kids would bitch and moan about taking the wrong chemistry course or taking a math class that no school required (some would say that higher level math courses look really good on an application and maybe they are correct but that doesn’t mean a marginal student should take physical chemistry for the sole reason that it might “stand out”). People who did this usually were the type who didn’t make it as a pre-med and switched to something else because they do not have enough invested in their future to do their own research.

Just like you shouldn't accept the class schedule your regular adviser devises for you each semester without question, you shouldn't accept any of the advice the pre-med adviser gives you without checking yourself. You should examine the schools you are interested in going to and find the appropriate courses. Don't be an idiot and ass/u/me that just because someone has the title "adviser" that they know what the hell they are talking about. There is a good reason why third party medical school admissions consulting is thriving and it is not because the average university adviser is all that knowledgeable. If you want to be a lazy sap and just go along with what the adviser says without doing your own research, good luck to ya Johnson.

2. Class and MCAT scheduling (or: Pain first, play later)
Finish all pre-medical classes by the end of your junior year and take the MCAT BEFORE the summer between junior and senior year. In fact, I would even suggest that you finish them by sophomore year if possible. If I could go back and do it all again, I would have taken my basic 200-level biology and inorganic chemistry classes freshman year, physics during the summer between freshman and sophomore year and organic chemistry during sophomore year.



Why do I say this? There are a couple of reasons: first you will have the requirements out of the way and won’t have to worry about whether a class will be full when you need to register for it, you will have a solid knowledgebase upon which to begin studying for the MCAT and you can spend your senior year focused only on interviews.



You should spend your junior year taking upper-level biology and major requirements (if you aren’t a biology major) while studying for the MCAT. Make sure to take the MCAT BEFORE the summer between junior and senior year. Why? Simple: you should have everything you need ready to go to submit your application on June 1st. Don’t be like me and worry about applications, letters of rec., MCAT studying etc. all during your junior year. Even worse would be piling all of that on-top of taking some of the harder pre-requisite courses.


Your junior year should basically be your busiest year. Even if you follow my advice and finish your pre-reqs during frosh and soph year, you should still being doing research, fully engaged in extra-curricular work, MCAT studying and preparing the primary. More on junior year later. And as an aside note, make sure you start asking for LORs as early as possible. Ask for them at least 3 months before June 1st. When you ask for them, make sure you give them everything they might need:


a. make out an envelope to AMCAS and/or AACOMAS/Interfolio with a stamp
b. give letter writers a copy of transcript and a short resume
c. hand them a brief one-page letter clearly noting the deadline you need it by and thank them for agreeing to write you one.


3. Extra-curricular activities (or: Stand-out)


Don't do stupid extra-curricular activities that every other "pre-med" ***** is doing. Everyone will shadow, volunteer at a nursing home, etc. Find some way to set yourself apart. I did a whole host of leadership stuff; I was the chairman of student government and then the student member to the university board of trustees. Being able to say on my application that I sat as a voting member of the board that allocates hundreds of millions of dollars yearly set me up for some interesting interview questions that I know stayed in the minds of the people I interviewed with long after I left. Aside from grades and MCAT score, these are the sub-categories of extra-curricular activities I would engage in:

a. Volunteer (Non-paid) medically related work (i.e. hospital volunteer)
b. Volunteer (Non-paid) non-medically related work (i.e. some volunteer organization on your campus; habitat for humanity)
c. Paid work/employment (even if its a summer job)
d. Research (see below)
e. Shadowing (aside from what you see if you volunteer in the hospital, get a good number of hours following around at least one physician enough to get a good letter from).

Also, make sure you do research. I did year long research in psychopharmacology assisting in 4 different studies, some of which are being prepared for publication. Research along with the other extra-curricular endeavors will make you seem like a very well-rounded applicant. I wouldn't go overboard on the research though. Do something that interests you and don't feel pressured to have your own project. You can simply help grad students with theirs. As long as you do a good job and get a letter of rec from the faculty member in charge of the lab, I think that is sufficient. I see too many premies working tirelessly in the lab to produce something on their own which eventually forces them to sacrifice time in other important areas (i.e. extra-curriculars and even their own school work). You can do what you want, but I'd say it is far more important to be well-rounded than to be a standout in one area alone.


4. Studying (or: Get good grades and a good MCAT score)


Get help in classes you struggle with. Make sure you study long and hard with a sufficient number of MCAT practice tests. Advice on all of this can be found in other areas but most of it is pretty obvious.
Plan your life around keeping distractions to a minimum.



My junior year was hell. I did research, had 4 courses with labs each semester, I was chairman of the student government and was studying for the MCAT all at the same time. Meanwhile, I was living in a house with 4 of my close friends and partying three nights a week. I was in a long-term relationship that I kept holding on to even while it was driving me insane. To make the long story short, I didn’t do as well in my classes or on my first MCAT as I could have done. In the end, everything worked out and I was accepted to medical school but my poor planning cost me an entire year. Don’t let this happen to you. Plan early and intelligently. Prioritize. Your grades and MCAT are more important than other parts of your application.



5. Stay out of trouble


Another obvious tidbit that I won’t expound upon. Stay away from drugs and the people that do them. Don’t get caught drinking underage. All of these things you must disclose on an application. Some will not be a big deal, others will definitely keep you out of medical school. How many stories have I heard on these forums of otherwise dedicated students with stellar numbers falling short of the finish line because they did something stupid like getting caught in a dorm room their senior year smoking a bong by one of the campus police officers? Imagine doing everything right and falling on your face for some stupid reason at the end of the tunnel. It will haunt you for a very long time.



6. Not everything is about getting into medical school


The other point I want to make is about perseverance. This pre-med path is probably the most difficult path you can take as an undergrad. It requires a great deal of sacrifice and dedication. While my friends were out at the bar for $1.00 bottle Wednesdays, I found myself alone in my dark and cold room reading and re-reading a chapter on thermodynamics. While my girlfriend was out partying with our friends on a Saturday, I was in the lab doing research. Obviously I was able to engage in the party lifestyle here and there but it was simply not possible for me to do it at every opportunity like many of the people you will meet in college.
What is even harder about this is that many of your friends and even family members will not understand this. Try and explain it to them and maybe they will understand. Even if they don’t, true friends will always support you even if they can’t empathize.



Not everyone will make it. Go into your freshman year biology class and take a look at how many kids are calling themselves “pre-med.” Many of them will be gone by the end of the semester and half will be gone by the end of freshman year. By the time you get to 2nd semester organic chemistry, there will be only a handful of you left. And that doesn’t include the number of people who will actually be successful on the MCAT and get accepted. This ship that you are on will lose a lot of cargo before it reaches the harbor. Don’t this is discourage you. In fact, it should only make you even more driven to succeed. And in the end, you may be one of the people who leaves. It could be because the work is too difficult or the sacrifice is too great. It could also be that you are simply interested in something else. There is nothing wrong with this. This path isn’t for everyone and that’s okay. Unwilling and incapable are two totally separate things.



On a separate note, it is important to have a life outside of the library. If you spend your entire college years focused solely on getting into medical school you will regret it. Have a social life. Go out with friends. Date girls who drive you crazy (just not during junior year). These years should be fun. Get your work done first but have some fun. As my dad always told me, “Work hard and play harder.” If you do everything you need to do when you need to do it you get to do what you want to do when you want to do it. Okay there are a million quotes you can reference. Just please don’t be the person who’s life revolves around school. When you are spending over 80 hours a week doing bitch work in a hospital as a 3rd year medical student, it will be comforting to at least have some of the memories of the good times you had when you weren’t an indentured servant.



Please give me some reviews on this because I am going to eventually expand it and it will be given to every freshman pre-med student at my undergrad. Institution.

Respect. I totally agree. I dont think there is one thing on there I disagree with other than timing of the MCAT. It depends on whether or not someone is capable of studying for MCAT while in 2nd semester of junior year. I know I wouldnt be able to personally, but many may be able to. I would advice 2 months into summer, no more. But ya, as you said it would hold you back a while into the cycle.
 
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