Advice for the Marginal Applicant

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I wrote this after thinking about a response in the "Any Interview Invites for GPA <3.3" thread.

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This is directed at those with below-average to average numbers.
Let me first say, though, that THE IMPORTANCE OF NUMBERS IS WILDLY OVERSTATED ON SDN.

Let me say second, however, that in the aggregate numbers do not lie - that is to say, when you see that your GPA or MCAT is at or below a school's median, you (somewhat obviously) have a less than par chance at that school. If you're below their 10th percentile, know that your application fee is essentially a lottery ticket.

This brings up a key point: while most lottery tickets don't pay off, some do.

Approaching the application process from the beginning...

Do everything in your power to maximize the quantitative elements of your application. In theory, one would "like" to have a 3.7+ and a 35+. These represent "price of entry" numbers for most of the top 10/15/20/(upper-echelon) schools.

If you had those numbers, however, you wouldn't be reading a post about "Advice for the Marginal Applicant". I think of marginal applicants as the folks who are just as likely to get 0 acceptances as 5+. These are the sorry souls that wind up doing SMPs. These are people whose numbers are not getting them in nor keeping them out of most schools: numbers that do not elicit golf claps (positive or sarcastic) from AdComs - let's say something like an MCAT of 30-33, GPA of 3.2-3.5 (which implies a LizzyM of about 62-68).

And children, before you get riled up, these are not hard and fast cutoffs, nor even vaguely scientific. You'll see that this is an overarching theme of this post - there is nothing strictly quantitative nor scientific about this process. Embracing this (or at least accepting it), not venting blind impotent rage online, is the key to success and mental health.

So how does that marginal applicant work to enhance the odds that they are in the cohort of marginal applicants that winds up with an acceptance (or multiple acceptances)?

1) Have the requisite amount of direct contact with medicine. This is something on the order of 30 hours of physician shadowing in addition to clinical volunteering (with all of the highly variable settings and roles that the phrase entails) that lasts longer than one year. This is a checkbox to fill in the admissions rubric, and you can not afford to be missing any of these "must haves". Crucially, having 3000 hours of shadowing is likely of very little marginal value beyond something like 60. Put this time to other, more productive, use.

2) Stay involved during your application year. Get in to some research, take a job at a senior center, etc. etc. etc. Do ANYTHING scientifically, medically, or socially meaningful that allows you to show that gaining admission is a full-time endeavor for you, not just a punctuation mark in life. This has the added benefit of potentially generating "updates" for you to send to schools later in the season.

3) Do something you genuinely care about. I meet so many people and read so many posts asking essentially, "what should I do to game the system?". The truth is that the system is smarter than you, in aggregate. The best secondary/interview answers and LOR's come from situations and opportunities that you are genuinely passionate about. Instead of coming on SDN and asking "ED volunteer, EMT, or CNA cert?", take the time to do some genuine introspection. You may find that there is something you'd actually enjoy doing that has a tie - even if peripheral - to medicine. This is the experience that you should pursue, or create.

4) Don't be a child. This is different - importantly - than not being young. You can't help your age, but you can change your approach to life. Understand that you, as an (nearly) adult, are allowed (and should) have multiple facets to your personality, interests, and lifestyle. I'm not saying don't go out and have fun on a Saturday. What I AM saying is: cultivate a responsible public face. Learn how to effectively and professionally interface with anyone: 5 year olds, contemporaries, 50 year olds, and the elderly. Force yourself out of your comfort zone regularly and be honest with how others see you.

5) Apply wisely. This is the key&#8230; and it's not what anyone else has suggested.

Create your application budget. You have ancillary costs, primaries, secondaries, and interview travel. Hold perhaps $1500-$2K back for interview costs if you are casting a wide geographical net.

The first, and most often overlooked, step of the admissions process is early research. These are your ancillary costs. Buy the MSAR. Buy USNEWS. Read a ton of school's websites.

The purpose of this first step is to identify three broad classes of schools:

-Those you would love to attend.
-Those that you would attend.
-Those that you would not like to attend (the kind of schools that you just think "oh&#8230;.um, no" about)

Notice I did not say anything about figuring out which schools match your statistics. At this point, you should be concerned with things like:

-Geography (family, SO, etc.)
-Mission (don't be one of the hundreds of lower-stat people that apply to Meharry, only to find out later than Meharry has lower average numbers because of a strong institutional mission that you have no interest in or connection to).
-Unique elements of the curriculum that speak to your past experiences and or future goals (dual degree strength, global health, etc.)

If you have more than 10 schools on your "would love to attend" list, YOU DO NOT HAVE A STRONG ENOUGH PERSONAL VISION FOR YOUR MEDICAL EDUCATION. I say this for one reason: as a marginal applicant, you will need to do everything in your power to differentiate yourself as an applicant. Your "perfect match" schools should speak strongly to your personal interests, goals, desires, and strengths, and there just can't be THAT many schools that do. If you find that this list is rather long, it is time to go back to the well and refine your personal mission statement.

(Let me digress for a moment and reinforce that this is the most important piece of advice I can give you here: the marginal applicant must have a strong and well justified - through activities and accomplishments - personal "brand". Consumer brands are built over time and with clarity and purpose. Do the same for your application.)

Apply to every school on your "love to attend" list regardless of their/your numbers (again WITH THE CAVEAT that these schools should be "brand" matches. If you are a marginal stats applicant and your 10 "love to attend" are every one - or even half of - the top 10 schools, you are delusional and have not grasped the essence of what I'm communicating to you here. Either that or you're a California applicant trying to stay close to home. In that case, godspeed.).

Figure out how much of your application budget you have left, and begin to work down your list of "would attend" schools. I suggest applying to all of them.

Again (this is broken record time): none of this has to do with the school's numbers or your own. You are applying to schools that appeal to you in literally every other dimension BUT numbers.

Have I stressed enough that this is not about numbers? Are all of you NOT applying to RFMS, Georgetown, BU, etc? Good. You absolutely CAN throw your money away with eight thousand or more fellow applicants (and if funds are unlimited, you should), but you're smarter than that. You're an informed marginal applicant.

That said, if you are like, "I am a Jesuit and I want to be a Jesuit doctor", and that's REAL, then you SHOULD be applying to Georgetown, SLU, Creighton, etc... Point being, again: you're never applying anywhere because of a stats match but because it matches your personal brand and criteria.

6) Apply early. What is early? Within a week of AMCAS opening. You have so much time to prepare for your application that there is simply no excuse in this regard. Start working on your PS months in advance. Line up your letters well in advance - this is a notorious rate-limiter.

If you are not able to finish your (strongly composed) application in time, wait a year.

7) Pre-write your secondaries. Even better, write them early enough that you have time to finish them and then revisit/edit them. Every applicant has the story of re-reading a secondary later in the cycle and going "wait, WHAT?!?!". You want to avoid that feeling AFTER the secondary is submitted.

7a) If you don't have real-world life experience (not a knock on the traditionals, just something about which one should be self-aware), have someone who hires/fires/interviews people read all of your work and give you a reality check on tone and composition. Trust me, people never get to your resume if the cover letter isn't tight and compelling. The same holds true here.

8) Do not waste any of the interviews that you land - your first one can't be "practice". This requires practice/experience. Find a resource - your school's career center, objective third parties (PI's, GSI's, etc.), and make them ask you all of the standard questions. Similarly, use the SDN interview feedback tool and troll for past questions. I had one interview that was literally straight off the page from the interview feedback.

9) Find space in your life for honest self-assessment. There are so many people on here who I can only assume are entitled, whining, know-nothings.

Many premeds live life trying to step on other people's necks just to grab the next rung of the ladder. Don't be these people. While this works for some number of people - generally those who didn't need to do it in the first place, ironically - for most it creates a vicious cycle of misanthropy and smug certainty that those below you got there because they weren't as good, NOT because your sociopathic self put them there.

Competence combined with kindness is generally rewarded. And you get to sleep really well at night.

Anyway, to wrap this polemic up: We all remember our parents telling us (in response to some perceived injustice), "YEAH? WELL LIFE ISN'T FAIR!!!".

Well guys, it both is and isn't. There's a little bit of luck involved, no doubt, but most success in life comes down to working hard, smiling a lot (and usually meaning it), and finding the sweet spot on the continuum of confident and humble.

Having a genuinely positive outlook (hard as it is - TRUST ME I get it), being kind to people even when you don't "need" to be, and trying to just generally be a good person goes so far in this world that you can't even imagine it until you start living it.

Good luck, all.
 
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I think your idea that a 33 MCAT is marginal suffers from SDN hyperbole.
Otherwise a generally good post that I'm sure will help some people feel more optimistic and in control of their application process than the general SDN community.
 
I think your idea that a 33 MCAT is marginal suffers from SDN hyperbole.
Otherwise a generally good post that I'm sure will help some people feel more optimistic and in control of their application process than the general SDN community.

Coupled with a lower GPA - say 3.0-3.3 (again, I'm giving a broad sliding-scale range of GPA and MCAT here), a 33 is certainly a numerically marginal package.

3.6+ with a 33? Nah, you're golden.
 
I had a <3.2 undergrad gpa, >3.75 grad gpa and a 31. 4 md interviews that went pretty well and hopefully an acceptance soon. It's not all about numbers. It's all about projecting yourself a certain way.
 
Coupled with a lower GPA - say 3.0-3.3 (again, I'm giving a broad sliding-scale range of GPA and MCAT here), a 33 is certainly a numerically marginal package.

3.6+ with a 33? Nah, you're golden.

Absolutely correct. With that gpa range, a 33 is indeed marginal.
 
Good post. Thanks for taking the time to write this up 👍
 
That was a fantastic post, thanks for taking the time. but I have to ask...

If people with "marginal" stats are consistently getting into these usual schools (Drexel, BU, etc.), and our goal is to cast a broad net to optimize our chances of getting in, why wouldn't we still apply to these schools if we'd be willing to go there along with schools that fit the criteria you mentioned? Sure it's a great idea to apply where you'd be a good fit obviously, but at the end of the day we'd be ecstatic with the chance to go anywhere, and applying to schools that tend to accept some applicants with our stats seems to be a good idea.

Again, I'm genuinely asking out of curiosity, no disrespect or anything intended as I think that post is incredible and very informative. Thanks again.
 
That was a fantastic post, thanks for taking the time. but I have to ask...

If people with "marginal" stats are consistently getting into these usual schools (Drexel, BU, etc.), and our goal is to cast a broad net to optimize our chances of getting in, why wouldn't we still apply to these schools if we'd be willing to go there along with schools that fit the criteria you mentioned? Sure it's a great idea to apply where you'd be a good fit obviously, but at the end of the day we'd be ecstatic with the chance to go anywhere, and applying to schools that tend to accept some applicants with our stats seems to be a good idea.

Again, I'm genuinely asking out of curiosity, no disrespect or anything intended as I think that post is incredible and very informative. Thanks again.
First, articulate (rhetorically) what you mean by consistent. If you mean that the school generally (consistently) accepts people with marginal stats, then continue the logic to ask what exactly it's worth to you, personally, that the class is full of people with your kind of numbers.

The answer is zero.

YOU need an acceptance, and your chances of acceptance are greatest where your personal brand and goals match best.

In any case: if money and time are unlimited, you -should- be applying to these schools. Just know that, as I said in my original post, those applications are lottery tickets.
 
Great post, wish I had read it about 6 months ago. I didn't apply to enough schools based on fit, and I've already been thinking these last few weeks that was probably a mistake. I took a much more stats based approach. It hasn't necessarily been unsuccessful, but I was too afraid to apply where my numbers were below median when I probably would have meshed better at some of these places.
 
First, articulate (rhetorically) what you mean by consistent. If you mean that the school generally (consistently) accepts people with marginal stats, then continue the logic to ask what exactly it's worth to you, personally, that the class is full of people with your kind of numbers.

The answer is zero.

YOU need an acceptance, and your chances of acceptance are greatest where your personal brand and goals match best.

In any case: if money and time are unlimited, you -should- be applying to these schools. Just know that, as I said in my original post, those applications are lottery tickets.

Yeah, you have a point there for sure. I just feel like history shows this process is largely a numbers game, which I think most would agree with. Being a good fit with poor numbers for a program doesn't always matter. You've definitely had great success with this approach, but I feel like that's anecdotal. Isn't it possible that you're the exception, and not everyone would have as much success with this? Many feel they only got accepted because they applied to programs that typically give lower stat applicants a chance. Again, genuinely asking, as ill be going through this in June and would like to use the best approach possible to gaining myself an acceptance.
 
I've been lost and I think this post had given me a path to follow
 
What would be a good MCAT goal to have as a marginal applicant? My uGPA is a 3, gGPA is on pace for a 4. And expiring MCAT is a 31. Is it basically 35+ or bust at this point?
 
Great post OP!

One thing that I would add is that you can find enough schools in your statistical range that you can be a good "fit" at. I believe there are enough schools that everyone applying can find a way to brand themselves to 10-15 schools that they fit well at, within their numbers range. Fit, branding, etc are definitely important, but you also want to be realistic with your school choices and the ideal school to apply to would fit both your brand and your GPA/MCAT roughly. Research the programs, mission statements, affiliated hospitals, etc and I know for me I was able to find schools that I thought I met the fit and the numbers well, and they've turned into interviews for the most part. Sometimes you have to find different aspects of yourself to brand to different schools, but if you think hard enough you can probably find a way to market yourself to that school.

Just what I've seen from the process, but thanks for concisely summarizing the essence of the intangibles of the med school application process.
 
Excellent post. I agree with every word and it's essentially the approach I've taken as a marginal applicant.
 
Great post, OP. Doesn't just apply to 'marginal' applicants, though. All applicants would be wise to read through it and consider everything that should apply to them.

Most of what you wrote lifts applications generally--from marginal to accepted, from good to great, from great to superstar.

Best part:

4) Don’t be a child. This is different - importantly - than not being young. You can’t help your age, but you can change your approach to life. Understand that you, as an (nearly) adult, are allowed (and should) have multiple facets to your personality, interests, and lifestyle. I’m not saying don’t go out and have fun on a Saturday. What I AM saying is: cultivate a responsible public face. Learn how to effectively and professionally interface with anyone: 5 year olds, contemporaries, 50 year olds, and the elderly. Force yourself out of your comfort zone regularly and be honest with how others see you.
 
As a marginal applicant myself, I applaud you OP, this is some wisdom right here. The only complaint I have is the categorization of BU with Jesuit schools like Georgetown, Creighton, SLU. BU is not a Jesuit school (I think Methodist)
 
would a 3.6 cGPA/3.3 sGPA and a 35 MCAT be considered marginal?
 
That's a LizzyM of 71 so no.

so what's the unofficial "cutoff" for marginal stats?

conventional wisdom says 65 (3.5 GPA + 30 MCAT or some other combination) is a healthy place to be, but it seems the OP puts the marginal bar a bit higher.
 
so what's the unofficial "cutoff" for marginal stats?

conventional wisdom says 65 (3.5 GPA + 30 MCAT or some other combination) is a healthy place to be, but it seems the OP puts the marginal bar a bit higher.

I think a LizzyM of 65-68 would be considered marginal. There's no official cutoff. It's all subjective.
 
i see.

but 68 means a 3.7/31, which should be golden for the vast majority of mid tiers.

Again, it's all subjective. Nothing is golden for any school unless you're a 4.0/40 applicant. There's a lot of 3.7/31s and the like that get rejected at mid tiers. Just take a peek at the BU and Georgetown threads this year and you'll see.
 
Again, it's all subjective. Nothing is golden for any school unless you're a 4.0/40 applicant. There's a lot of 3.7/31s and the like that get rejected at mid tiers. Just take a peek at the BU and Georgetown threads this year and you'll see.
Psh, a lot of those stats get rejected too. If someone's bland, have bland ECs and just have the stats--meh I'll take my meh stats and great ECs over theirs
 
This thread should be stickied
 
Yeah, you have a point there for sure. I just feel like history shows this process is largely a numbers game, which I think most would agree with. Being a good fit with poor numbers for a program doesn't always matter. You've definitely had great success with this approach, but I feel like that's anecdotal. Isn't it possible that you're the exception, and not everyone would have as much success with this? Many feel they only got accepted because they applied to programs that typically give lower stat applicants a chance. Again, genuinely asking, as ill be going through this in June and would like to use the best approach possible to gaining myself an acceptance.

Man I get what you're asking, but this is time for the old trope "The plural of anecdote is not data".

So I reiterate my opening statement: in aggregate the numbers do not/cannot lie. Most people with average stats end up at schools that have average stats.

Consider though, too, that the average applicant (statistically) doesn't get in at all (~45% overall acceptance rate last year). The law of large numbers cuts both ways, friend.

You're familiar with an actuarial table? They give expected longevities for a given cohort, but one doesn't just look at the table and go, "DAMN! I'm gonna die in 16 years!". Rather one does what one desires to maximize (or not) one's chances of beating the average as laid out on the table.

My point is that this whole process is about maximizing YOUR chances of acceptance the same way that living is about maximizing your state of health relative to your cohort.

If you've got the money and the time I CANNOT ENCOURAGE YOU ENOUGH to apply to every school in the country that you'd attend (and that takes students from your state).

The crux of my article (slip of the tongue: post) is how one, in the face of some limiting variable, be it time, money, or both, can effectively craft an application strategy (late in the game, I hasten to add, because most of the "marginal applicant" deficits can in fact be overcome with enough time) THAT WILL WORK BEST FOR THEM.
 
thank you so much for taking the time to write this! great advice
 
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