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I started out with the idea that I wanted to cure ADHD. I'm also pretty interested in mood disorders as well. From there, I deduced that I would have to be a researcher of some sort. I don't know any other way to live than to read text books, especially when I don't have to deal with school, so it seemed like the natural choice. I also knew that I didn't want to be poor my whole life, so I'd want a profession compatible with both my natural interests and my financial interests. The possibility of having to provide the best for children in a economy ever-more beset by inflationary pressures limits my possible careers to those that will likely make 150k by the time I'm 35. For the record, I'm 20 right now.

I'm a sophomore now, but I had an unusual start.
Summer -
1st Session
Microbiology (5 credits) A
2nd Session
Political Science 106 (1 credit) A
Political Science 101 (3 credits) B

Fall
Did not attend

Winter
Developmental Psychology B

Spring
Macroeconomics (3 units) C
Humanities (3 units)(Creativity, Arts) F
Photography 100 (2.5 units) W
Philosophy (3 units) B
Public Speaking (3 units) B

Summer
1st Session 5weeks
Precalculus (5 units) A
English 102 (3 units) A

I took the AP tests for Physics (3), Biology (3), Chemistry (4)
Psychology (5), English (5). However, my school doesn't give
credit for the equivalent general science classes, so I'm taking\
General Chemistry, General Physics, Honors Calculus, and some general
education requirements. I tend to do better in more difficult classes,
and I didn't attend most of my AP courses, so I expect there to be a
sharp upward trend from this point out. I hadn't really figured out what I wanted to be until recently.

I've resolved to make it my aim to enter an MD/PhD program. It's
difficult to decide what specific path is most suited to my goals, though. I know I want to do behavioral medicine, so would I best be suited doing my residency in Psychiatry, subspecialize in pharmacology, and get a PhD in neuroscience?

Am I already out of the running for a MD/PhD? Should I expect to be doing post-bacc work so my GPA will be up to snuff? If I had a 3.3 GPA and a 3.8 Science GPA, what MCAT score would I need for the lower ranking MSTRP programs? 35+?

The idea of being the lead investigator in clinical trials conducted by industry also sounds like an intriguing possibility. What would be required to attain this goal? Should I be perhaps be looking towards a Masters in Public Health instead of a PhD, in that case? Maybe I'd specialize in something clinical? idk. need guidance. what kind of salary should someone conducting one of these investigations expect as a lower bound?

What if I got an MBA? What kind of opportunities in the behavioral medicine field could I seek out? Would I still have the opportunity to perform research? Would the knowledge only be helpful in running my own practice, or could I conceivably get a nice job from a biotech company? how would having an MBA affect my financial earnings over the life-time of my career?

I know, in part, I want to be doing basic science research. Since the issue of behavioral drugs is so intertwined with neuroscience, genetics, and biochemistry, it's very difficult to decide what will best complement my objectives. Maybe my dream of discovering a drug myself is the myth of the "rockstar scientist" - everything is done in large teams now, right? Everyone only holds a small piece of the puzzle individually. It seems difficult to be too specialized in the case of behavioral medicine, though. If push came to shove, I think I would choose basic neuroscience research though.

I don't have any research experience, though. That's one big problem I'm having in making my decision. Right now i'm going to a community college. I don't think there are many research opportunities available to me. I figure I can just cold-call some labs and offer free labor. Would any of you have any advice as to what kind of labs to call or search out? Or any resources that would direct me to them, keeping in mind my interest in behavioral medicine?

Lastly, right now I'm looking for a job. I was thinking of working as a pharmacy technician since I want to work with behavioral medicine. This seems like a reasonable job for an aspiring MD/PhD. From what relatives in the health field have told me, there's a lot of opportunity to learn. Above and beyond everything, I'm primarily interested in learning theory. Patient care is something I would take great delight in, but theory is my true love.

I know I need to have clinical exposure and volunteering experience. I was thinking that if I took a job as a pharmacy tech and volunteered at a hospice for a while, then I'd cover all my bases. Of course, I'd need to get in research experience, so I'd volunteer the minimum number of hours so I could maximized my time spent researching. How many hours of clinical expose do you think is appropriate as a minimum? How many hours of volunteering is appropriate as a minimum? These questions should be answered keeping in mind that the other EC's hope to be a strong research background and pharmacy tech. work.

Alternatively, I'm considering getting a job as a nurse's aid to gain the money and clinical experience, and volunteering at a research lab to hit all of the suggested admission EC's. What other jobs would be decent sources of income, requiring little time to train, and suitable medschool EC's? the more learning I can do while on the job, the more I desire it. one upside with the nurse's aid position is that eventually you can get private patients and spend virtually all your time studying. this makes the nurse's aid position relatively attractive.


Do medschools care if you read textbooks extracurricularly? I've read Durand's Abnormal Psychology, Stahl's Psychopharmacology, and Voet&Voet's Biochemistry. I don't know if they care since it's ungraded.

Also, I play the piano (10+ years), compose music, and play the trumpet (3+ years). I can play pretty impressive things like moonlight sonata mvmt 3 and liebestraume. brass score of westside story on trumpet. should i include this on my application? entreat them to test my skill during an interview? bring a keyboard with me? bring CD's with my music to the interview? just throwing out ideas. I know that if I was "so good" I would have awards and accolades. I don't, because I'm not "so good", but I do believe that the level of time required to reach the level I'm at does demonstrate substantial commitment and motivation, especially for someone not intrinsically musically talented like me.

I used to play a lot of tennis. I started when I was 4 and played until I was 13. During my last year, I attended 50+ league tournaments and 3 satellite tournaments. I believe I was ranked 56 in my age bracket. Is there any way I could leverage this past experience to bolster my medschool resume? If I joined a tennis club, would medschools see that as a substantial positive? If I simply explained my tennis history, my experience might seem too dated. If I explain, plus have current tennis experience to back it up, would it be something worth investing my time into?
 
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I think the C and F, especially the F, are going to bring you down real bad. Retake, bring up your GPA, and shoot for DO.

For MSTP, not only would you need a stellar GPA and 35+ MCAT, but oodles of research. Lots of it. Those are full-scholaship+stipend programs, remember, so there are plenty of competetive applicants vying for those spots.

A PhD in Biochem would probably be able to land you researching jobs at pharmaceutical companies.

All of your tennis, music, etc. are good to list under extracurriculars. But remember this: No amount of ECs will make up for a bad GPA and MCAT. So i'd advise you to seriously start working on that GPA, and do well on the MCAT.
 
I started out with the idea that I wanted to cure ADHD. I'm also pretty interested in mood disorders as well. From there, I deduced that I would have to be a researcher of some sort. I don't know any other way to live than to read text books, especially when I don't have to deal with school, so it seemed like the natural choice. I also knew that I didn't want to be poor my whole life, so I'd want a profession compatible with both my natural interests and my financial interests. The possibility of having to provide the best for children in a economy ever-more beset by inflationary pressures limits my possible careers to those that will likely make 150k by the time I'm 35. For the record, I'm 20 right now.

I'm a sophomore now, but I had an unusual start.
Summer -
1st Session
Microbiology (5 credits) A
2nd Session
Political Science 106 (1 credit) A
Political Science 101 (3 credits) B

Fall
Did not attend

Winter
Developmental Psychology B

Spring
Macroeconomics (3 units) C
Humanities (3 units)(Creativity, Arts) F
Photography 100 (2.5 units) W
Philosophy (3 units) B
Public Speaking (3 units) B

Summer
1st Session 5weeks
Precalculus (5 units) A
English 102 (3 units) A

I took the AP tests for Physics (3), Biology (3), Chemistry (4)
Psychology (5), English (5). However, my school doesn't give
credit for the equivalent general science classes, so I'm taking\
General Chemistry, General Physics, Honors Calculus, and some general
education requirements. I tend to do better in more difficult classes,
and I didn't attend most of my AP courses, so I expect there to be a
sharp upward trend from this point out. I hadn't really figured out what I wanted to be until recently.

I've resolved to make it my aim to enter an MD/PhD program. It's
difficult to decide what specific path is most suited to my goals, though. I know I want to do behavioral medicine, so would I best be suited doing my residency in Psychiatry, subspecialize in pharmacology, and get a PhD in neuroscience?

Am I already out of the running for a MD/PhD? Should I expect to be doing post-bacc work so my GPA will be up to snuff? If I had a 3.3 GPA and a 3.8 Science GPA, what MCAT score would I need for the lower ranking MSTRP programs? 35+?

The idea of being the lead investigator in clinical trials conducted by industry also sounds like an intriguing possibility. What would be required to attain this goal? Should I be perhaps be looking towards a Masters in Public Health instead of a PhD, in that case? Maybe I'd specialize in something clinical? idk. need guidance. what kind of salary should someone conducting one of these investigations expect as a lower bound?

What if I got an MBA? What kind of opportunities in the behavioral medicine field could I seek out? Would I still have the opportunity to perform research? Would the knowledge only be helpful in running my own practice, or could I conceivably get a nice job from a biotech company? how would having an MBA affect my financial earnings over the life-time of my career?

I know, in part, I want to be doing basic science research. Since the issue of behavioral drugs is so intertwined with neuroscience, genetics, and biochemistry, it's very difficult to decide what will best complement my objectives. Maybe my dream of discovering a drug myself is the myth of the "rockstar scientist" - everything is done in large teams now, right? Everyone only holds a small piece of the puzzle individually. It seems difficult to be too specialized in the case of behavioral medicine, though. If push came to shove, I think I would choose basic neuroscience research though.

I don't have any research experience, though. That's one big problem I'm having in making my decision. Right now i'm going to a community college. I don't think there are many research opportunities available to me. I figure I can just cold-call some labs and offer free labor. Would any of you have any advice as to what kind of labs to call or search out? Or any resources that would direct me to them, keeping in mind my interest in behavioral medicine?

Lastly, right now I'm looking for a job. I was thinking of working as a pharmacy technician since I want to work with behavioral medicine. This seems like a reasonable job for an aspiring MD/PhD. From what relatives in the health field have told me, there's a lot of opportunity to learn. Above and beyond everything, I'm primarily interested in learning theory. Patient care is something I would take great delight in, but theory is my true love.

I know I need to have clinical exposure and volunteering experience. I was thinking that if I took a job as a pharmacy tech and volunteered at a hospice for a while, then I'd cover all my bases. Of course, I'd need to get in research experience, so I'd volunteer the minimum number of hours so I could maximized my time spent researching. How many hours of clinical expose do you think is appropriate as a minimum? How many hours of volunteering is appropriate as a minimum? These questions should be answered keeping in mind that the other EC's hope to be a strong research background and pharmacy tech. work.

Alternatively, I'm considering getting a job as a nurse's aid to gain the money and clinical experience, and volunteering at a research lab to hit all of the suggested admission EC's. What other jobs would be decent sources of income, requiring little time to train, and suitable medschool EC's? the more learning I can do while on the job, the more I desire it. one upside with the nurse's aid position is that eventually you can get private patients and spend virtually all your time studying. this makes the nurse's aid position relatively attractive.


Do medschools care if you read textbooks extracurricularly? I've read Durand's Abnormal Psychology, Stahl's Psychopharmacology, and Voet&Voet's Biochemistry. I don't know if they care since it's ungraded.

Also, I play the piano (10+ years), compose music, and play the trumpet (3+ years). I can play pretty impressive things like moonlight sonata mvmt 3 and liebestraume. brass score of westside story on trumpet. should i include this on my application? entreat them to test my skill during an interview? bring a keyboard with me? bring CD's with my music to the interview? just throwing out ideas. I know that if I was "so good" I would have awards and accolades. I don't, because I'm not "so good", but I do believe that the level of time required to reach the level I'm at does demonstrate substantial commitment and motivation, especially for someone not intrinsically musically talented like me.

I used to play a lot of tennis. I started when I was 4 and played until I was 13. During my last year, I attended 50+ league tournaments and 3 satellite tournaments. I believe I was ranked 56 in my age bracket. Is there any way I could leverage this past experience to bolster my medschool resume? If I joined a tennis club, would medschools see that as a substantial positive? If I simply explained my tennis history, my experience might seem too dated. If I explain, plus have current tennis experience to back it up, would it be something worth investing my time into?

It's been a while since my psychiatry rotation... But I got impression there is more to this post than face-value... Have you been diagnosed with manic/depressive, or ADHD?
 
the only thing i would be worried about is what would you do if someone cured the disease before your medical training was over? just make sure you have more than one interest in the field you want to pursue.

my dream is to find a cure for the hangover. and i'll be damned if someone does it before me.
 
It's been a while since my psychiatry rotation... But I got impression there is more to this post than face-value... Have you been diagnosed with manic/depressive, or ADHD?
QFT.

That was the first thing I thought when I read the initial post.....but I have had a lot of experience with both of those populations of people.
 
I started out with the idea that I wanted to cure ADHD. I'm also pretty interested in mood disorders as well. From there, I deduced that I would have to be a researcher of some sort. I don't know any other way to live than to read text books, especially when I don't have to deal with school, so it seemed like the natural choice. I also knew that I didn't want to be poor my whole life, so I'd want a profession compatible with both my natural interests and my financial interests. The possibility of having to provide the best for children in a economy ever-more beset by inflationary pressures limits my possible careers to those that will likely make 150k by the time I'm 35. For the record, I'm 20 right now.

I'm a sophomore now, but I had an unusual start.
Summer -
1st Session
Microbiology (5 credits) A
2nd Session
Political Science 106 (1 credit) A
Political Science 101 (3 credits) B

Fall
Did not attend

Winter
Developmental Psychology B

Spring
Macroeconomics (3 units) C
Humanities (3 units)(Creativity, Arts) Fwhy did you get an F?????????
Photography 100 (2.5 units) W
Philosophy (3 units) B
Public Speaking (3 units) B

Summer
1st Session 5weeks
Precalculus (5 units) A
English 102 (3 units) A

I took the AP tests for Physics (3), Biology (3), Chemistry (4)
Psychology (5), English (5). However, my school doesn't give
credit for the equivalent general science classes, so I'm taking\
General Chemistry, General Physics, Honors Calculus, and some general
education requirements. I tend to do better in more difficult classes,
and I didn't attend most of my AP courses, so I expect there to be a
sharp upward trend from this point out. I hadn't really figured out what I wanted to be until recently.

I've resolved to make it my aim to enter an MD/PhD program. It's
difficult to decide what specific path is most suited to my goals, though. I know I want to do behavioral medicine, so would I best be suited doing my residency in Psychiatry, subspecialize in pharmacology, and get a PhD in neuroscience?ya

Am I already out of the running for a MD/PhD? Should I expect to be doing post-bacc work so my GPA will be up to snuff? If I had a 3.3 GPA and a 3.8 Science GPA, what MCAT score would I need for the lower ranking MSTRP programs? 35+?ya, and good ec's

The idea of being the lead investigator in clinical trials conducted by industry also sounds like an intriguing possibility. What would be required to attain this goal? Should I be perhaps be looking towards a Masters in Public Health instead of a PhD, in that case? Maybe I'd specialize in something clinical? idk. need guidance. what kind of salary should someone conducting one of these investigations expect as a lower bound?

What if I got an MBA? What kind of opportunities in the behavioral medicine field could I seek out? noneWould I still have the opportunity to perform research? Would the knowledge only be helpful in running my own practice, or could I conceivably get a nice job from a biotech company? how would having an MBA affect my financial earnings over the life-time of my career?

I know, in part, I want to be doing basic science research. Since the issue of behavioral drugs is so intertwined with neuroscience, genetics, and biochemistry, it's very difficult to decide what will best complement my objectives. Maybe my dream of discovering a drug myself is the myth of the "rockstar scientist" - everything is done in large teams now, right? Everyone only holds a small piece of the puzzle individually. It seems difficult to be too specialized in the case of behavioral medicine, though. If push came to shove, I think I would choose basic neuroscience research though.

I don't have any research experience, though. That's one big problem I'm having in making my decision. Right now i'm going to a community college. I don't think there are many research opportunities available to me. I figure I can just cold-call some labs and offer free labor. Would any of you have any advice as to what kind of labs to call or search out? Or any resources that would direct me to them, keeping in mind my interest in behavioral medicine?do research when you transfer

Lastly, right now I'm looking for a job. I was thinking of working as a pharmacy technician since I want to work with behavioral medicine. This seems like a reasonable job for an aspiring MD/PhD. From what relatives in the health field have told me, there's a lot of opportunity to learn. Above and beyond everything, I'm primarily interested in learning theory. Patient care is something I would take great delight in, but theory is my true love.
thats good
I know I need to have clinical exposure and volunteering experience. I was thinking that if I took a job as a pharmacy tech and volunteered at a hospice for a while, then I'd cover all my bases. Of course, I'd need to get in research experience, so I'd volunteer the minimum number of hours so I could maximized my time spent researching. How many hours of clinical expose do you think is appropriate as a minimum? about 100How many hours of volunteering is appropriate as a minimum?same These questions should be answered keeping in mind that the other EC's hope to be a strong research background and pharmacy tech. work.

Alternatively, I'm considering getting a job as a nurse's aid to gain the money and clinical experience, and volunteering at a research lab to hit all of the suggested admission EC's. What other jobs would be decent sources of income, requiring little time to train, and suitable medschool EC's? the more learning I can do while on the job, the more I desire it. one upside with the nurse's aid position is that eventually you can get private patients and spend virtually all your time studying. this makes the nurse's aid position relatively attractive.


Do medschools care if you read textbooks extracurricularly? I've read Durand's Abnormal Psychology, Stahl's Psychopharmacology, and Voet&Voet's Biochemistry. I don't know if they care since it's ungraded. maybe, if you bring it up in an interview or list it as a hobby

Also, I play the piano (10+ years), compose music, and play the trumpet (3+ years). I can play pretty impressive things like moonlight sonata mvmt 3 and liebestraume. brass score of westside story on trumpet. should i include this on my application? entreat them to test my skill during an interview? bring a keyboard with me? bring CD's with my music to the interview? just throwing out ideas. I know that if I was "so good" I would have awards and accolades. I don't, because I'm not "so good", but I do believe that the level of time required to reach the level I'm at does demonstrate substantial commitment and motivation, especially for someone not intrinsically musically talented like me.couldnt hurt

I used to play a lot of tennis. I started when I was 4 and played until I was 13. During my last year, I attended 50+ league tournaments and 3 satellite tournaments. I believe I was ranked 56 in my age bracket. Is there any way I could leverage this past experience to bolster my medschool resume?absolutely If I joined a tennis club, would medschools see that as a substantial positive? If I simply explained my tennis history, my experience might seem too dated. If I explain, plus have current tennis experience to back it up, would it be something worth investing my time into?
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The possibility of having to provide the best for children in a economy ever-more beset by inflationary pressures limits my possible careers to those that will likely make 150k by the time I'm 35.
If this is what you actually believe, you are seriously delusional.
 
I would be willing to bet that sytar is nothing short of unbearable to be around
 
How can one cure something that doesn't even exist?

also, tl;dr

Please tell them in your medschool interview about how you don't believe in ADHD. You'll never be a doctor, dude.

I didn't actually mean that I want to "cure" it anyway. That was just the seed of my inspiration during a manic episode. It's the goal I want to work towards.

I would be willing to bet that sytar is nothing short of unbearable to be around
At least I'm not nearly as vitriolic as you.

If this is what you actually believe, you are seriously delusional.
When my Dad was a kid, a soda was a dime.
 
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Reading textbooks means you are living a life of what is known and you are just reading words made by the accomplishments of others. Textbooks are fine to learn from, but to say you can't live any other way means you need some more life experience.
Everything you read for the purpose of learning is by definition the accomplishments of others. Saying I need more life experience makes you come off smarmy. What are you trying to say? "You can't live without reading other people's books? Look, kid, that's fine, but grown ups read their own books all day."
 
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Everything you read for the purpose of learning is by definition the accomplishments of others. Saying I need more life experience makes you come off smarmy.

No offense, dude, but you asked for advice, and people are giving it to you, and then you're telling them what you think is wrong with their advice. Just take what people say, and handle it. Don't come on here expecting everyone to kiss your feet or tell you everything you want to hear. Just my opinion.
 
No offense, dude, but you asked for advice, and people are giving it to you, and then you're telling them what you think is wrong with their advice. Just take what people say, and handle it. Don't come on here expecting everyone to kiss your feet or tell you everything you want to hear. Just my opinion.

I came here for advice. Doesn't mean I'm going to kiss the feet of every 2-post newbie that says anything. His advice was both ridiculous and condescending, so I called it. If you support what he has to say, why don't you defend his comments? Otherwise, I don't see the point of posting your opinion. You'll notice I never said anything untoward to the actually useful posters like ThirdLevel and PremedGunner.

From what I can tell Luxury4play has no business giving out advice in the first place. Not to mention much of what he says contradicts the other posters.
 
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I came here for advice. Doesn't mean I'm going to kiss the feet of every person that says anything. His advice was obviously both ridiculous and condescending.

Exactly. You came here for advice. You're obviously new to this process. Not everything you get from people on here is going to be sugar-coated or nice. So just take it and deal with it, instead of bitching to every person who doesn't agree or says something you didn't want to hear.
 
Exactly. You came here for advice. You're obviously new to this process. Not everything you get from people on here is going to be sugar-coated or nice. So just take it and deal with it, instead of bitching to every person who doesn't agree or says something you didn't want to hear.
Exactly?

This forum is making me suffer more fools than I thought I would have to from a place like this. Neurocritic, you're a fool, and I'm done suffering you.

It wasn't that he wasn't being nice. It was that he was wrong.

Peace out, forum.
 
Meh.. not worth it.
 
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I'm guessing that you did not sleep at all in the 24 hours from when you made the OP and then bumped it.

Says manic all over it. I would recommend that you go work for a pharm company as a researcher. It would meet your goals much better than being an MD/PhD.
 
Everything you read for the purpose of learning is by definition the accomplishments of others. Saying I need more life experience makes you come off smarmy. What are you trying to say? "You can't live without reading other people's books? Look, kid, that's fine, but grown ups read their own books all day."

Investigators do read (more often they read journal articles to learn of advances in their field but for textbooks will synthesize the most important literature of the past 20+ years and are a good way of catching up). However, investigators learn by doing. Physicians, too. You "do" at the bench (in the lab), and at the "bedside" whether in the hospital or in an outpatient setting.

Life experience is also an excellent teacher. Observation, exploration, learning to ask questions, learning to listen to answers and to read body language, these are life experiences that are an important part of learning.

Do you like talking with people, listening to their problems, making suggestions to them, telling them your ideas? If you'd rather read and think on your own, you might be better suited to a line of work that lets you do that day after day without a lot of interruption by people who want to tell you their troubles. Just sayin'.

As you look for universities (after community college) look for schools with strong programs in neuroscience and/or biochemical engineering. I think that something at the intersection of those two disciplines might be right up your alley.
 
The ratio of time I've devoted to journal articles vs textbooks is something like 10,000:1. I basically stayed home instead of going to High School, reading studies obsessively, doing just enough work in each class to pass. But medschool people don't care about that, and there is no way to prove this other than talking to me since I have on memory a study about just about anything that comes up in conversation.

As you look for universities (after community college) look for schools with strong programs in neuroscience and/or biochemical engineering. I think that something at the intersection of those two disciplines might be right up your alley.
Thank you for this advice. I will keep it in mind. I've actually been very torn between these two fields. I don't like the idea that I will have to specialize. Although I was thinking of going to UC San Diego so that I could study with professor Stephen Stahl. His textbook made me giggle. I'm infatuated with the man.

Do you like talking with people, listening to their problems, making suggestions to them, telling them your ideas?
I do enjoy this.

Says manic all over it. I would recommend that you go work for a pharm company as a researcher.
I thought MD/PhD's were 80% research? It would be nice to be able to formulate hypotheses from clinical experience
 
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MD/PhD programs are very hard to get into... furthermore, you will have to narrow your choices to schools that have active labs in the area that most interests you.

Next, plan on getting lots and lots of research experience before applying to medical school. If at all possible, try to get a summer research opportunity in 2011 and 2012. You might also consider a two-year research opportunity before applying to medical school (see https://www.training.nih.gov/programs)

You will also need a very good gpa and stellar MCAT scores. The MCAT forum can give you some tips for preparing for that exam.
 
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