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hey guys, in order to be competitive for pharmacy school i've decided to take more than three science courses next year. for example, next fall i'll be taking physics I calculus based, anatomy and physiology I, molecular cell biology, chinese and a PE course. for spring i plan to take chinese II, physics II calculus based, physical chemistry, molecular genetics, cell biology lab, and physics II lab. While i'm taking these courses, i'll also be working part-time to support myself financially. Since i have no pharmacy experience because my home state, michigan, require that people who want to work in a pharmacy must be certified. my gpa is around 2.6 becuase i had to work around 30 hrs last year and 15-20 hours this year. What are your advices? Do you think its a good idea to take so many science courses just to compensate for my lack of pharmacy experience?
 
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In my opinion, those are pretty advance courses to be loading up on! I would work at it a little slower maybe try to take something in the summer. Without the experience, you will want to show them that you can SUCCEED in the upper level courses. It would be more important to ace these courses and take an extra year to apply than to do mediocre in an effort to show that you can handle a heavy course load.

Hope that helps some.
 
If you are planning to get Bs, go ahead. From my own experience, taking Physics II, electromagnetism, with other classes, was instant murder. I am not saying that it will be hard. It is about "TIME TO STUDY".
 
I did something similar. I took Organic Chem, Physical Chem, and Neuroscience along with other classes in the same semester. If you are able to prioritize and if you have exceptional studying abilities you will be fine, but I don't think extra science courses are going to be equivalent to Pharmacy experience on your application. Your GPA makes a significant contribution to your acceptance to pharmacy school and if taking so many classes causes your grades to fall I suggest lightening up on the classes and focusing on other positive activities.
If you can't get direct pharmacy experience through work take a few saturdays and shadow at a pharmacy. They might not be allowed to let you work, but you could stand on the sideline and watch their work and ask questions to satisfy yourself. If you can't do that and even if you can I suggest volunteering for some sort of community service.
 
I think you should actually not take that big of load (since you are expecting to work)... considering you are at a 2.6 and it will take some time to rebuild it to where you want it to be.

People get into pharmacy school without experience so I understand what you are trying to do to make up for the lack of pharmacy experience. But I also think that you shouldn't overburden on courses just because you don't have the experience. IMO, I'd rather get the experience and lighten up on the load...

But hey. You only know your own strengths and weaknesses, so do what you feel is best.
 
welll actually i only need physics I and 2 and antomy I to fulfill my pre-requesites requirements. since i'll be applying to pharmacy schools this summer with a not so good gpa..i thought i could wowed them by taking alot of classes...lol i'm pretty sure i can handle them because i'm taking a full course load this semester also, and they're not easy. Also, i think that if i dont do any outdoor activities i should have enough time to study and work 😀! but then i have to face my landlord...lol...she keep hinting why i keep staying at home..lol i guess paying rent doesnt cut it for her...This is why i wanna finish pre-reqs as quickly as possible..even if it means not getting A's on them...
 
With a 2.6 so far, you need to be getting As here on out. There is a real possibility that you might not get anywhere. People who get in with low GPAs are usually stellar in another area. Usually they have tons of pharmacy experience or stand out in some other way. You might finish your prereqs quickly but find yourself sitting out a year if you don't get accepted. I would concentrate on getting as many As as possible to build up your GPA and lessen the coarse load if necessary. You are also going to need a great PCAT.
 
I had Biology I with lab, Physics I, and Organic Chemistry II with lab and Statistics during the winter semester of '08. If you work, kiss your social life goodbye. I believe I spent all my time with Organic Chemistry (because I had a notoriously hard professor), that I ultimately ended up with a B+ in all my science lecture classes, with an A in Organic Lab and Statistics. I would have easily gotten an A in Biology I if I didn't slack off in the beginning of the semester as I have gotten the highest exam scores for the last two exams.

Point is, if you work hard enough and put off going out with friends for four months, it's doable. Look at it this way, your friends are going to forget what happened at so and so's dinner/party within the next two days. Put your education first as your GPA is on the low side. Good luck.

ETA: Those 5 hour energy drinks will be your friend for those arduous semesters. I know they are terrible for you, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I had a friend who would put the entire bottle into his monster energy drink. 😳
 
I don't think taking a large course load isn't going to wow your interviewers with subpar grades in them. In my opinion, I would honestly lighten up that load. I try not to take more than 2 chemistry/biology classes in a semester because it's really alot of memorization and regurgitation (especially in biology) and if I take any more than that then those biology terms are going to get mixed up and that's never good.

I've taken courseloads like: calculus1, organic chem2, organic lab, english comp in a semester and did pretty well, 3.5 for the semester.
And semesters like Anatomy and physiology, physics, botany, economics and got a 3.7. And I sort of had a social life... lol like 1 day a week for whatever.

The semester where your going to be taking pchem and genetics is going to be tough... I guess my only advice is spread your classes out. Look at your pre-pharmacy curriculum guide and try not to cram all those science classes into 1 semester. I try to squeeze in one easy gen ed class such as english, philosophy, econ, etc. with those classes because its kind of nice to have a change of pace instead of studying solely science classes... It kind of drives me nuts

The chinese courses will be great here - maybe you can squeeze in another gen ed class
 
In certain cases, such as mine, where you have no choice but to complete all required courses during the normal school year, these courseloads are unavoidable. Just expect to have no life and get a few Bs.
 
Why are you taking Chinese along with those difficult courses?


well my school requires at least 3 continuing foreign language courses to satisfy graduation. plust i'm going to use chinese i and ii as a humanities pre-req.
 
so pharmacy schools prefer grades over how many tough classes you take? its really weird how some schools state that taking rigiourous of 2 or more science classes shows that you are committed to finishing the pre-reqs. i just cant help but think that if i devote my entire summer to studying the PCAT and write a good personal statement along with some good Lors that i would have a chance and the whole no pharmacy experience and low-gpa could be overlooked....🙁
 
hey guys, in order to be competitive for pharmacy school i've decided to take more than three science courses next year. for example, next fall i'll be taking physics I calculus based, anatomy and physiology I, molecular cell biology, chinese and a PE course. for spring i plan to take chinese II, physics II calculus based, physical chemistry, molecular genetics, cell biology lab, and physics II lab. While i'm taking these courses, i'll also be working part-time to support myself financially. Since i have no pharmacy experience because my home state, michigan, require that people who want to work in a pharmacy must be certified. my gpa is around 2.6 becuase i had to work around 30 hrs last year and 15-20 hours this year. What are your advices? Do you think its a good idea to take so many science courses just to compensate for my lack of pharmacy experience?

Wow. That was what I did all throughout my 2nd year of college. I also worked 15-20 hrs a week on top of 20 credits per semester. I also took chinese on top of orgo and A & P. Looking back I didn't know how i lived through that hah hah. But - it is doable! For me, i had to find some way to squeeze in time for my personal life because I would have died, had I worked/studied 24/7 nonstop. It was all worth it at the end because I ended up having to take only 1 class the last semester of college to graduate and I devoted most of my time to doing research and whatnot. It was pretty sweet.

If I can do it, I'm sure you can too. Just make sure you manage your time well.

good luck.
 
With a 2.6 so far, you need to be getting As here on out. There is a real possibility that you might not get anywhere. People who get in with low GPAs are usually stellar in another area. Usually they have tons of pharmacy experience or stand out in some other way. You might finish your prereqs quickly but find yourself sitting out a year if you don't get accepted. I would concentrate on getting as many As as possible to build up your GPA and lessen the coarse load if necessary. You are also going to need a great PCAT.

I agree with Diastole, taking a bunch of science course at once won't make you look better in the eyes of admissions. You should do what ever it takes to get A's, and boost that gpa. a semester with 3 classes, and straight A's, looks better than a semester with 5 classes and 1 A, or 2 A. plus you'll make the deans list, and it will boost your confidence for futrther classes. If you work, you will definatly need to take less classes. If I were you, i would take the minimum course load for a full time student and try to get straight A's.

If you are working on your BS, and trying to get out of there faster, then your stratagy would be good for that reason, but if you are looking to look good for pharm, then you need to do whatever it takes to get the BEST grades you can.
 
Which would you rather be walking into an interview:

A.
*3.0 GPA
*Pharmacy tech experience/a reason WHY you want to be a pharmacist more than the other 2000 applicants
*Possible LOR from a pharmacist
*15 credit course load with two science classes/semester

Or

B.
*2.9 GPA
*No pharmacy tech experience
*Having to come up wtih a good reason why you want to be a pharmacist even though you have no real experience in the field (and have them buy it).
*Having to divide your time between all of these science classes to the point that your grades hurt and LORs aren't strong
*15-20 credit course load with 3-4 sciences classes/semester

? I would choose A (as an applicant who tried applying this year without a ton of pharmacy experience).
 
hey guys, in order to be competitive for pharmacy school i've decided to take more than three science courses next year. for example, next fall i'll be taking physics I calculus based, anatomy and physiology I, molecular cell biology, chinese and a PE course. for spring i plan to take chinese II, physics II calculus based, physical chemistry, molecular genetics, cell biology lab, and physics II lab. While i'm taking these courses, i'll also be working part-time to support myself financially. Since i have no pharmacy experience because my home state, michigan, require that people who want to work in a pharmacy must be certified. my gpa is around 2.6 becuase i had to work around 30 hrs last year and 15-20 hours this year. What are your advices? Do you think its a good idea to take so many science courses just to compensate for my lack of pharmacy experience?
I'm sort of in your boat...I have to work part-time as well and go to school full-time (luckily i only have to take my science courses--already have a college degree--thank god)...anyhow, i plan to start slow and take 3 classes a semester (12 credits)...better so pace yourself and take the hard classes. You'll get better grades that way...dont make yourself crazy and stressed out and try to finish fast.
 
hey guys, in order to be competitive for pharmacy school i've decided to take more than three science courses next year. for example, next fall i'll be taking physics I calculus based, anatomy and physiology I, molecular cell biology, chinese and a PE course. for spring i plan to take chinese II, physics II calculus based, physical chemistry, molecular genetics, cell biology lab, and physics II lab. While i'm taking these courses, i'll also be working part-time to support myself financially. Since i have no pharmacy experience because my home state, michigan, require that people who want to work in a pharmacy must be certified. my gpa is around 2.6 becuase i had to work around 30 hrs last year and 15-20 hours this year. What are your advices? Do you think its a good idea to take so many science courses just to compensate for my lack of pharmacy experience?


If you are applying to pharmacy a particular pharmacy school, check there requirements. Most of these classes you plan on taking (molecular cell biology, Chinese, PE course, Molecular genetics) are not required for admission, they are BS classes, and for other majors. Also if you plan on taking 3 science courses a semester, you GPA will not go higher, as it is kinda low already.
 
people here are being nice, imma be real with you since i dont want you to waste your time

2.6 is low, you're looking at people with 3.5 and above being rejected from pharmacy schools.

you have options however.

options 1 (the best). Get straight A's from here on out. Write a sob story for your essay on why you did poorly (woe is me my life is hard, grandma died, i have no parents, etc etc). Show the adcoms that the 2.6 was the anomaly (and not the 4.0 you are gonna get from here on out). Point out the trend of your grades, how it improved alot, how your focus on helping people gave you a rededication to do well in school. Your sob story essay should reflect this.

Get a ton of pharmacy experience (i had 0 pharm experience, and in my interviews, they pointed this out and asked alot of questions about it, they aren't going to overlook this very easily)

option b. what you are doing. it's gonna fail and you aren't going to realistically get into pharm school doing it. Most schools require over a 2.6 for them to even look at your application. Taking a boat load of classes and getting b's and c's is gonna look bad (as of now, you are a b/c student).

instead, take 16 units of science and cut out all the extraneous classes that you don't need. focus on your pre reqs and get A's.


I know your life situation is pretty tough, mine is also. No parental support and working 2 jobs to make things work. I believe you can do it, but you need some guidance and focus. talk to your counselor at school, formulate a workable plan based off of the schools you want to apply to.

take a day to figure out the route that gives you the best possible chance at getting into pharm school. focus on pharm experience, a class schedule you can handle, and getting your pre reqs done. Also don't forget the straight A's ( a couple b's won't hurt, but the majority of your grades should be A's). If you can't do this, i suggest looking for another career.
 
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hey guys, in order to be competitive for pharmacy school i've decided to take more than three science courses next year. for example, next fall i'll be taking

physics I calculus based, anatomy and physiology I, molecular cell biology, chinese and a PE course. for spring

i plan to take chinese II, physics II calculus based, physical chemistry, molecular genetics, cell biology lab, and physics II lab.

While i'm taking these courses, i'll also be working part-time to support myself financially.

Since i have no pharmacy experience because my home state, michigan, require that people who want to work in a pharmacy must be certified.

my gpa is around 2.6 becuase i had to work around 30 hrs last year and 15-20 hours this year. What are your advices? Do you think its a good idea to take so many science courses just to compensate for my lack of pharmacy experience?

Most of the time, it is a bad idea to work part time and load up on Science Classes. There are people who can pull it off, but they are few in numbers.

Since you have a GPA of 2.6, You need to play it safe and ace all your science classes right now. So, Loading up on science classes will only lower your chances of acing them. IMO, Your plan is not a good idea!

I recommend you take a Max of 2 science classes per semester/quarter. It is better to ace your classes slowly than to do poorly and have to retake some of your classes again.

I split your schedule into three terms:
(I think this is more manageable than your previous plan)


physics I calculus based,
chinese
PE course
molecular genetics



physics II calculus based
chinese II
physics II lab
molecular cell biology



anatomy and physiology I
physical chemistry
cell biology lab
 
options 1 (the best). Get straight A's from here on out. Write a sob story for your essay on why you did poorly (woe is me my life is hard, grandma died, i have no parents, etc etc). Show the adcoms that the 2.6 was the anomaly (and not the 4.0 you are gonna get from here on out). Point out the trend of your grades, how it improved alot, how your focus on helping people gave you a rededication to do well in school. Your sob story essay should reflect this.

Get a ton of pharmacy experience (i had 0 pharm experience, and in my interviews, they pointed this out and asked alot of questions about it, they aren't going to overlook this very easily)

agreed
 
I did my course load by the rule of 2 - no more than 2 hard courses at anytime. It served me well, being accepted to school in the first shot and now over half way done.

Don't screw your GPA just to get done faster. No one gets an award for getting done with school the fastest. The road is long - pace yourself.

~above~
 
thank you all for your opninions and advices. After much discussions, the majority agrees that i should take it easy. I still think that I can handle it! lol. given that the future courseloads are somewhat similar to my current courseloads. so it seems that i should work on my gpa and take it easy. THank you all for your opinions.
 
I talked to my chemistry advisor a couple weeks ago and he told me the same thing as transformer said, do not take more than 2 science courses with labs! It is very hard and imagine trying to do more than 2 lab reports and 2 pre labs every week, I think I wouldn't do very good...




hey guys, in order to be competitive for pharmacy school i've decided to take more than three science courses next year. for example, next fall i'll be taking physics I calculus based, anatomy and physiology I, molecular cell biology, chinese and a PE course. for spring i plan to take chinese II, physics II calculus based, physical chemistry, molecular genetics, cell biology lab, and physics II lab. While i'm taking these courses, i'll also be working part-time to support myself financially. Since i have no pharmacy experience because my home state, michigan, require that people who want to work in a pharmacy must be certified. my gpa is around 2.6 becuase i had to work around 30 hrs last year and 15-20 hours this year. What are your advices? Do you think its a good idea to take so many science courses just to compensate for my lack of pharmacy experience?
 
thank you all for your opninions and advices. After much discussions, the majority agrees that i should take it easy. I still think that I can handle it! lol. given that the future courseloads are somewhat similar to my current courseloads. so it seems that i should work on my gpa and take it easy. THank you all for your opinions.

Nothing at this point should be easy for you when you sport a 2.6 gpa. Most pharmacy schools will not look at your application because you do not meet the minimum gpa requirement. At this point, you can not afford to get many b's, you have to get A's. Seriously.

What people are saying isn't for you to take it easy. They are telling you to put the effort it would require to take your ridiculous course load, and put forth the same effort into a normal course load. I suggest putting in even more effort to ace those classes. Your days should be consumed with studying.

Im not trying to be a dream crusher, but i'm being real. You aren't even a minimum candidate, you are at a point where you can't even apply to schools. Refocus and talk to your school counselor about your goals.
 
people here are being nice, imma be real with you since i dont want you to waste your time

2.6 is low, you're looking at people with 3.5 and above being rejected from pharmacy schools.

you have options however.

options 1 (the best). Get straight A's from here on out. Write a sob story for your essay on why you did poorly (woe is me my life is hard, grandma died, i have no parents, etc etc). Show the adcoms that the 2.6 was the anomaly (and not the 4.0 you are gonna get from here on out). Point out the trend of your grades, how it improved alot, how your focus on helping people gave you a rededication to do well in school. Your sob story essay should reflect this.

Get a ton of pharmacy experience (i had 0 pharm experience, and in my interviews, they pointed this out and asked alot of questions about it, they aren't going to overlook this very easily)

option b. what you are doing. it's gonna fail and you aren't going to realistically get into pharm school doing it. Most schools require over a 2.6 for them to even look at your application. Taking a boat load of classes and getting b's and c's is gonna look bad (as of now, you are a b/c student).

instead, take 16 units of science and cut out all the extraneous classes that you don't need. focus on your pre reqs and get A's.


I know your life situation is pretty tough, mine is also. No parental support and working 2 jobs to make things work. I believe you can do it, but you need some guidance and focus. talk to your counselor at school, formulate a workable plan based off of the schools you want to apply to.

take a day to figure out the route that gives you the best possible chance at getting into pharm school. focus on pharm experience, a class schedule you can handle, and getting your pre reqs done. Also don't forget the straight A's ( a couple b's won't hurt, but the majority of your grades should be A's). If you can't do this, i suggest looking for another career.

Nothing at this point should be easy for you when you sport a 2.6 gpa. Most pharmacy schools will not look at your application because you do not meet the minimum gpa requirement. At this point, you can not afford to get many b's, you have to get A's. Seriously.

What people are saying isn't for you to take it easy. They are telling you to put the effort it would require to take your ridiculous course load, and put forth the same effort into a normal course load. I suggest putting in even more effort to ace those classes. Your days should be consumed with studying.

Im not trying to be a dream crusher, but i'm being real. You aren't even a minimum candidate, you are at a point where you can't even apply to schools. Refocus and talk to your school counselor about your goals.

I love it when people keep it real! 👍
 
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