Nope...!
I bit my tongue... and stayed out of that one...
First off... When the concept of the "mid-level" practitioner (not CNM or CRNA) was dreamed up at Duke University... the first and obvious choice was nurses. The nurses turned down the new role because of politics. My NP/PA program director was one of the original nurses that turned down the role. She said that the nurses didn't want "another" sub-servient role to MDs! So they decided to train and use ex military medics. Shortly after... The nurses came up with NPs.
There are 2 or 3 Duel NP/PA programs in the nation... There used to be 4.
In these programs... If you entered as a RN... you graduated with both FNP AND PA designations... you could sit for both national exams. I attended one of these programs and UNLIKE MOST NP PROGRAMS...
ALL students in the program attended ALL of the same classes and ALL were required to clock ~2500 clinical hours in IM, Surg, OB-GYN, Peds, EM, HIV, and Inpatient Medicine on a hospitalist team and elective rotations. The program's philosophy was:
... offers students a curriculum that combines the traditional concepts of both physician assistant and nurse practitioner training. This reflects the program philosophy that no functional distinction in practice exists between these two types of primary health care professionals.
I decided that it would be best for professional latitude. So I moved my family (Wife and 3 kids) across the country to attend! I work as either a PA or a FNP... but not both in the same setting. The duel designations just give me more options. It's not like I do anything different while taking care of patients in daily practice.
I'm one of the FNP/PA-Cs that happens to speak it as I see it based upon 19 years in healthcare...
So for the "record"...
Average PA Clinical Hours are ~2200 give or take 100hrs
Average NP Clinical Hours are ~650 give or take 100hrs
ALL NPs DO NOT Have Masters degrees... that requirement is ~ 5 years old... And NPs have been practicing since the 60s!
Up until then (2000)... there was a mix of certificate, associate, and bachelors NP programs. Just like the PA programs today.
Still today... You can get a NP ONLINE if you can set up 500 hours of shadowing with a NP or MD... you just need a MSN to sit for the national test! Not to enter the program and graduate!
There are now PA programs that take students without any healthcare experience... this is reletively new (~5 years). The requirement used to be > 2000hrs of documented, paid, verifiable previous healthcare experience in a direct patient care role... not so at many programs anymore.
I believe that BOTH NPs and PAs do a great job at extending healthcare.
I believe that PAs recieve better clinical training for the job both professions are tasked with.
I believe that NPs and PAs become ~ equally able practitioners after the NP gets a few years of actual practice under their belt due to low clinical hours.
Working as a Nurse and then a NP are two completely different roles... So the low clinical hours aren't enough!
I believe that ALL NPs should be FNPs... and then specialize at will.
I believe that a new grad PA will run circles around a new grad NP if the PA went to PA school as a Nurse, EMT, RT.... due to the intensity of clinical hrs required in the PA program.
I believe that the nurses were smart when they chose to decline ANOTHER "subservient" role to MDs/Medicine, but use "semantics" to practice medicine daily by calling it "Advanced Nursing".
I believe that PA and NP training per se... is NOT Masters degree work... although one is issued from most... NOT ALL Programs (the Masters for NPs requirement only went into effect in 1 Jan 2000) and changing the title on the sheepskin means nothing!
I believe that the "We are better than them...from both sides is counter-productive... childish, silly, and Bull-S4it.
I believe that ALL "Mid-Level" providers should cut the nonsense, unite... and challenge the MDs notion that they should be the end all to patient care.
Years of personal experience has demonstrated that both NPs and PAs can do a great job extending healthcare.
I'm just sick and tired of being sick and tired of NPs bashing the PA profession.
PAs generally don't parrot misinformation about NPs in daily practice, but as a nurse... I hear/heard it regularly from nurses/NPs.
PAs haven't opposed and obstructed NP practice goals at state and national levels... Nurses/NPs do this regularly... (Mississippi, Ohio and several other states come to mind).
I've had nurses challenge me as a PA... but never as a NP...
I've also been around nurses as a NP and listened to how they truely felt about PAs.
Cyndee said it like this:
Just remember, there are a lot more of us coming out of school than you guys. We are aggressive and we're getting things done in the legislature. We're also no longer sitting back and putting up with the way PA's are constantly trying to drag us down. It's all sour grapes, and we thrive on it!
Some people Just don't play well with others!
My $0.2
DocNusum, FNP, PA-C