Affirmative Action for Men?

[RoadRunner17]

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Don't worry. The stupid humans will adapt or die out.

Are you really sure about this?

 

[45408]

Are you really sure about this?

Cegar has obviously not seen Idiocracy.

 

[Cegar]

Genius is overturned by a humorous Hollywood movie.

You have proved your point in more ways than one. How clever of you.

 

[45408]

Genius is overturned by a humorous Hollywood movie.

You have proved your point in more ways than one. How clever of you.

It's not genius, sorry. It's a known fact that the quantity of offspring is inversely proportional to education. The stupid people are prolific, but the well-educated and well-off are not having children.

 

[cdmccart]

Clearly education is important, but the end result of an education is a career. And while women may be taking over colleges with higher acceptance rates, men still statistically earn more than women for performing the same job. I think it's something like 78 cents to the dollar. So while men are out making $100,000 a year, women are making $78,000 for the same job. Someone explain to me how that demonstrates women being favored in the workplace.

 

[Chuckwalla]

Clearly education is important, but the end result of an education is a career. And while women may be taking over colleges with higher acceptance rates, men still statistically earn more than women for performing the same job. I think it's something like 78 cents to the dollar. So while men are out making $100,000 a year, women are making $78,000 for the same job. Someone explain to me how that demonstrates women being favored in the workplace.

Not true, women do not make less for the same job. Technically women make less than men but it is due to personal choices not discrimination. Women tend to go into more fulfilling and family friend careers such as teaching, social work, and nursing. Women are also significantly more likely to work part-time.

When women and men are equally qualified and work the same number of hours women make 98% of what men do. Adding to that women who recently graduated college make significantly more on average than male graduates, something like $36,000 to $30,000 a year.

 

[Just Joshin]

Not true, women do not make less for the same job. Technically women make less than men but it is due to personal choices not discrimination. Women tend to go into more fulfilling and family friend careers such as teaching, social work, and nursing. Women are also significantly more likely to work part-time.

When women and men are equally qualified and work the same number of hours women make 98% of what men do. Adding to that women who recently graduated college make significantly more on average than male graduates, something like $36,000 to $30,000 a year.

Source please. And I find it interesting that when women and men are equally qualified and work the same number of hours, women make 98% of what men do. Why not 100% if all things are equal?

 

[Chuckwalla]

Source please. And I find it interesting that when women and men are equally qualified and work the same number of hours, women make 98% of what men do. Why not 100% if all things are equal?

The small gap can be explained by the fact that men are more aggressive and thus more likely to ask for and pursue raises.

Your skepticism is warranted, the female pay discrimination numbers have been thrown around for years. I'll get you some sources when I have more time on my hands.

 

[45408]

Source please. And I find it interesting that when women and men are equally qualified and work the same number of hours, women make 98% of what men do. Why not 100% if all things are equal?

a 2% difference isn't necessarily even statistically significant. Men are paid more because they live less, so we have fewer years to get the same amount of money.

 

[MossPoh]

I didn't read the article, but there have been some issues for quite sometime with education for males and females. A while back people realized that females were doing worse academically. The result was all this special focus on females, along with special groups and clubs. The education of males took a back seat. There was this popular belief that males did not need the attention and guidance that females needed with regards to education. Schools adjusted their curriculums to this, and get rid of activities which have been shown to help males perform better. (recess, gym, etc.) Males are now much more likely to dropout, not finish college, or just not do as well. I don't think it is any inherent difference in intelligence on either side. I think it is the fact that whenever you give more attention to any group whether it be because of sex, race, religion, or anything else they are bound to do better. This is a tough area to argue, because one can show the research and the opinions will still dominate. It does frustrated me when I see these groups just for women, but all of a sudden it is sexist and detrimental to our society if someone wants a male group. For example, we have the AMWA on campus. They have their tshirts and all that, but it isn't like the 50s, 60s or 70s anymore where women really struggled to become physicians. We are at a pretty even percentage with a slight lean towards the female. I really hate the politics involved with all of this stuff. Equality means equality. Let things balance out on their own by not showing bias. Don't start tons of groups and adjust curriculums thereby screwing over people to accelerate the process. I feel like I've become a little bitter since taking a german feminist lit class (I had to) and it was basically just ripping on me for having a penis the entire time. 😛

 

[Concubine]

No, it is possible. Scientists are nearing the point where women will be able to reproduce without men. The way they could do this is by making "female sperm" out of bone marrow stem cells. On top of that, all children made this way would be female, due no Y chromosomes. So technically, women could continue the human race without men.

However, the idea that this will lead men to go extinct is pretty sensationalist for various reasons.

Start investing in vibrators.

 

[DoctaJay]

Pretty interesting article. Since this trend is certainly spreading into medical school admissions, I'm really interested to see how long it is until we have, "This underqualified man took my spot..." threads on SDN.

 

[Cegar]

It's not genius, sorry. It's a known fact that the quantity of offspring is inversely proportional to education. The stupid people are prolific, but the well-educated and well-off are not having children.

Think beyond birth rates. Come on! Analyze the situation!

Bah.

 

[45408]

Think beyond birth rates. Come on! Analyze the situation!

Bah.

Evolution doesn't select for intelligence or sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads because they're cool. Having the most copies of your genes = the most success.

 

[bodonid]

Schools adjusted their curriculums to this, and get rid of activities which have been shown to help males perform better. (recess, gym, etc.)

hahaha, lol. My favorite class is lunch!

 

[Chuckwalla]

Source please. And I find it interesting that when women and men are equally qualified and work the same number of hours, women make 98% of what men do. Why not 100% if all things are equal?

Article about women studying lower paying fields and working part-time

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2029109620070423?pageNumber=2

Here is the article about young women earning more.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyregion/03women.html

 

[Chuckwalla]

Pretty interesting article. Since this trend is certainly spreading into medical school admissions, I'm really interested to see how long it is until we have, "This underqualified man took my spot..." threads on SDN.

Actually, the percentage increase of women has halted with the genders being 50/50.

 

[Cegar]

Evolution doesn't select for intelligence or sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads because they're cool. Having the most copies of your genes = the most success.

It's not exactly that cut and dry for humans. Humans do select for cool things like intelligence and laser beams through various mechanisms. The Lynn-Flynn effect is as controversial as any sort of IQ-testing, but it's pretty evident that the collective intelligence of humanity is increasing. And it isn't only heavily concentrated at the top of the pyramid.

While there will most likely always be a need for jobs that require little intellectual prowess, the percentage of intellectually intensive (intellect being defined broadly) work is rather higher now than it was in the past.

If the world continues to advance in technology and understanding, then the people with weaker minds wont really be able to keep pace. They may have a lot of children, but those children will learn, and their less-than-educated parents will eventually die out.

Hey, look, nature vs. nurture.

Oh well.

 

[Lecter]

If the world continues to advance in technology and understanding, then the people with weaker minds wont really be able to keep pace. They may have a lot of children, but those children will learn, and their less-than-educated parents will eventually die out.

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[foster033]

Schools adjusted their curriculums to this, and get rid of activities which have been shown to help males perform better. (recess, gym, etc.) Males are now much more likely to dropout, not finish college, or just not do as well.

First off, I'm not sure recess is considered a class. Secondly, most schools cut things like recess, gym, art, and music because they do not have the funding. Recess and gym are usually the first to go because although physical activity has great benefits it cannot be considered as intellectually stimulating as art and music which both foster creativity. Although these classes usually fall close behind when school districts are having a hard time. I don't think any school has ever said girls don't like gym so we just won't have it anymore.
While I don't pretend to be an expert on how schools choose to cater to different learning styles of boys and girls, I do think everyone is stereotyping a bit too much. Everyone has different learning styles, it isn't solely based on gender.

 

[Chuckwalla]

First off, I'm not sure recess is considered a class. Secondly, most schools cut things like recess, gym, art, and music because they do not have the funding. Recess and gym are usually the first to go because although physical activity has great benefits it cannot be considered as intellectually stimulating as art and music which both foster creativity. Although these classes usually fall close behind when school districts are having a hard time. I don't think any school has ever said girls don't like gym so we just won't have it anymore.
While I don't pretend to be an expert on how schools choose to cater to different learning styles of boys and girls, I do think everyone is stereotyping a bit too much. Everyone has different learning styles, it isn't solely based on gender.

No one ever said it was solely based on gender. But gender is a huge factor in learning for kids, all the way up through high school. I have gone in to plenty of dept on this in my other posts.

 

[Lecter]

No one ever said it was solely based on gender. But gender is a huge factor in learning for kids, all the way up through high school. I have gone in to plenty of dept on this in my other posts.

Yep, summary of said difference in learning styles:

Females: "Learning is awesome! but i don't like smart guys."
Males: "Learning is for nerds. brb flexing"

 

[Chuckwalla]

Males: Learning is for nerds.

It appears you are trying to trivialize what I am saying (sorry if I took it the wrong way). However, you are right on. This is what needs to change. The current school system goes all out making learning appealing and cool for girls and in the process does the opposite for boys.

 

[DBR]

Finally men can slack off and still get into college just like all other minorities.

 

[Lecter]

It appears you are trying to trivialize what I am saying (sorry if I took it the wrong way). However, you are right on. This is what needs to change. The current school system goes all out making learning appealing and cool for girls and in the process does the opposite for boys.

Actually i didn't read what you wrote, that's just how i feel about the subject. 😀 From my experience the difference isn't so much that girls are particularly interested in learning (few kids are anymore), it's that boys are incredibly uninterested in learning. So much that it is almost socially unacceptable to be smart, at least it was in my high school. When i went to college the atmosphere completely changed, and i flourished as a result. But there are still a few of the goons who chuckle amongst themselves about the 68 they just got on an exam.

Meanwhile girls don't really have this inhibition. Even the plastic looking barbie doll types get good grades in high school because they do their homework and take their notes. But the boys are underachieving so much that they have to lower academic standards and decelerate the curriculum which makes things even easier for the girls. So the girls go to college and the boys drop out, get their GED, go into the military, whatever, resulting in the 60/40 ratio of girls/smart guys at college, which is pretty fine with me.

 

[Chuckwalla]

Meanwhile girls don't really have this inhibition. Even the plastic looking barbie doll types get good grades in high school because they do their homework and take their notes. But the boys are underachieving so much that they have to lower academic standards and decelerate the curriculum which makes things even easier for the girls. So the girls go to college and the boys drop out, get their GED, go into the military, whatever, resulting in the 60/40 ratio of girls/smart guys at college, which is pretty fine with me.

What I am saying is it isn't the fault of boys that they struggling. It is not like the male gender just got lazy. Boys and girls learn differently. Adding to that boys mature slower than girls. Schools focus on the ways girls learn and boys suffer.

Males were not struggling in education 30 years ago and this was well into females having equal opportunity education.

 

[BluePhoenix]

What I am saying is it isn't the fault of boys that they struggling. It is not like the male gender just got lazy. Boys and girls learn differently. Adding to that boys mature slower than girls. Schools focus on the ways girls learn and boys suffer.

Males were not struggling in education 30 years ago and this was well into females having equal opportunity education.

The problem with your argument, that schools focus on how girls learn and boys need more action and to be running around is that, as you say above, 30 years ago this wasn't the case. But 30 years ago, classes were very much lecture based where you sat and listened quietly for pretty much most of the day...and yet, males did fine in that situation. I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a school 30 years ago that had boys running around and doing lots of hands on activities, if anything, schools have become way more active and hands on than in the past.

 

[Chuckwalla]

The problem with your argument, that schools focus on how girls learn and boys need more action and to be running around is that, as you say above, 30 years ago this wasn't the case. But 30 years ago, classes were very much lecture based where you sat and listened quietly for pretty much most of the day...and yet, males did fine in that situation. I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a school 30 years ago that had boys running around and doing lots of hands on activities, if anything, schools have become way more active and hands on than in the past.

Not true. 30 years ago recess and gym class were common place, now they are limited or non-existent. There has also been an influx of government tests which has resulted in test-based, sit-down and be quiet teaching. And as I said, much focus on girls thanks to the feminist movement. Is helping girls bad? Certainly not. But it should not be done at the expense of boys.

 

[WinterLights]

Not true. 30 years ago recess and gym class were common place, now they are limited or non-existent. There has also been an influx of government tests which has resulted in test-based, sit-down and be quiet teaching. And as I said, much focus on girls thanks to the feminist movement. Is helping girls bad? Certainly not. But it should not be done at the expense of boys.

You make it sound as though males cannot learn in the same way that females can, and vice versa. I had no problem with learning in my school system, and I am sure that any deficiencies I possess are due to personal choices and habits. Do kids need gym and recess? Not necessarily. You have plenty of time after school to be physical.

 

[WinterLights]

Finally men can slack off and still get into college just like all other minorities.

Finally men can have a reason to be discriminated against just like minorities . . . oh wait, disregard that statement.

 

[Chuckwalla]

You make it sound as though males cannot learn in the same way that females can, and vice versa. I had no problem with learning in my school system, and I am sure that any deficiencies I possess are due to personal choices and habits. Do kids need gym and recess? Not necessarily. You have plenty of time after school to be physical.

It's not a matter of if they can or if they can not. It is a matter of how well they learn. There are definite learning differences between males and females, these are much more pronounced when they are young.

Girls outperform boys in pretty much everything at every level. There is no reason this should be the case. One gender is not more intelligent than the other. Smooth how you suggested that the failings of boys was their fault by pointing at yourself. One idiot failing, I agree. A whole gender, no way.

 

[WinterLights]

It's not a matter of if they can or if they can not. It is a matter of how well they learn. There are definite learning differences between males and females, these are much more pronounced when they are young.

Girls outperform boys in pretty much everything at every level. There is no reason this should be the case. One gender is not more intelligent than the other.

I do not think that your argument explains this discrepancy. Are you saying that men are less likely to perform at a high level because of some social stigma behind education? Or are you saying that current teaching methods are not effective for males? I do not follow the logic and I disagree. If this were the case, I probably not be where I am right now. Men have the same opportunities, if not more, than women. The only real difference that I can see is that males may be more likely to be involved in activities that are not necessarily conducive to learning. This has more to do with gender roles in America, as opposed to some kind of improper policy implemented in the educational system.

 

[WinterLights]

It's not a matter of if they can or if they can not. It is a matter of how well they learn. There are definite learning differences between males and females, these are much more pronounced when they are young.

Girls outperform boys in pretty much everything at every level. There is no reason this should be the case. One gender is not more intelligent than the other. Smooth how you suggested that the failings of boys was their fault by pointing at yourself. One idiot failing, I agree. A whole gender, no way.

My intention was to imply that my deficiencies are a result of poor choices on my part as opposed to some gender bias in the education system. These choices and habits arise, of course, as a result of circumstance and experience. I was not putting blame solely on the individual, just making it known that the educational system is not necessarily at fault for the differences between males and females in terms of education.

 

[muireinin]

There are definite learning differences between males and females, these are much more pronounced when they are young. /QUOTE]

Much of this quiet and prim "girl-like" behavior is taught, beginning even before preschool. Girls are told to act lady-like and sit still, to raise their hands to ask questions etc. So while I agree that there is a behavioral difference, it does not necessarily follow that boys are innately more active and need to have recess/gym in order to focus later on.

What might play a role is ADD/ADHD which has been indicated to occur at greater rates among boys than girls. (will find stats later)

Also, girls, like other previously disadvantaged groups, may see education as the best tool to use in American meritocracy. Most women I know believe that most of the women's rights battles have been won- all they need to do is get the education they need for the job. But as others have said, when it comes to family and career, you can't have it all. Something needs to be sacrificed and so men still hold upper management positions (this also may be a left-over effect from previous discrimination).

$.02

 

[Chuckwalla]

Much of this quiet and prim "girl-like" behavior is taught, beginning even before preschool. Girls are told to act lady-like and sit still, to raise their hands to ask questions etc. So while I agree that there is a behavioral difference, it does not necessarily follow that boys are innately more active and need to have recess/gym in order to focus later on.

What might play a role is ADD/ADHD which has been indicated to occur at greater rates among boys than girls. (will find stats later)

Also, girls, like other previously disadvantaged groups, may see education as the best tool to use in American meritocracy. Most women I know believe that most of the women's rights battles have been won- all they need to do is get the education they need for the job. But as others have said, when it comes to family and career, you can't have it all. Something needs to be sacrificed and so men still hold upper management positions (this also may be a left-over effect from previous discrimination).

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Do I really have to prove to you that boys are innately more active?

The ADHD thing is a HUGE part of the problem. Though it happens it is way over-diagnosed. When a boy acts up because he is forced to sit-down and be and be quiet for 8-hours, they get diagnosed with ADHD. Ritalin is the answer. Sometimes they get thrown into special education classes which boys outnumber girls 4:1. The same ratio goes for ADHD diagnoses. ADHD diagnoses have skyrocketed in recent years. Boys are not the one who changed.

Also by suggesting boys having ADHD is the reason for their educational hardships, you suggest that males are in fact inferior to females. But hey, join the club.

 

[WildlifeSaver]

Hold up. The opposite of a feminist is a misogynist? Females have WAY more advantages than men in the industrialized world and if you think that gap should close than you must hate women. Typical.

As the article said women are 58% of college students and increasing. This is mostly because education has been geared towards girls, leaving boys in the background. Boys are four times, FOUR TIMES more likely to be doped up on ADD drugs and thrown in special education classes. The more active nature of boys is snubbed in the sit-down and do your work environment of education. It is also ignored that girls mature faster than boys.

Pro-female affirmative action has been practiced for decades. It is outright blatant in math and science fields along with the job market. Women who are willing to work full time get shuttled through management positions. Now that males are struggling, using affirmative action to help them out is not fair to women? Either you like affirmative action or you do not, it is not on a "does it help YOU basis".

No there is just more women in the world then males and I think a little bit personally men die earlier then women.

 

[Chuckwalla]

No there is just more women in the world then males and I think a little bit personally men die earlier then women.

That is correct, women live much longer than men (about 6 years in industrialized countries). So this should not be a factor in women making a significantly higher proportion of college students.

The health disparities between men and women is another topic. Same idea though, females are way better off than males but still get most of the focus.

 

[coldweatherblue]

disadvantaged status? bring it on.

I live in 21st century America. My life is too easy already, so I need all the adversity I can get. Bring on all the disadvantages, it only makes me stronger. I'm broad shouldered and I've got a lot of blood and upper body strength. I can run all day and still have enough energy to kill a mastadon with my friends and bring it back to the fire. My depth perception and parallel parking ability is unparalleled. Shiz, I do what I want.

There are all these studies on gender differences and psychology, but these studies conclude less about the nature of men and women than a simple reading of history and one night at a club viewing human interactions.

 

[WildlifeSaver]

disadvantaged status? bring it on.

I live in 21st century America. My life is too easy already, so I need all the adversity I can get. Bring on all the disadvantages, it only makes me stronger. I'm broad shouldered and I've got a lot of blood and upper body strength. I can run all day and still have enough energy to kill a mastadon with my friends and bring it back to the fire. My depth perception and parallel parking ability is unparalleled. Shiz, I do what I want.

There are all these studies on gender differences and psychology, but these studies conclude less about the nature of men and women than a simple reading of history and one night at a club viewing human interactions.

I think men have it so much freakin better. Still men get better salaries in some areas then women, men get more respect it seems from many professions and you will more then most likely be put leadership roles then women..For women it has been getting better for us..wow a women is running for presidencie finally.

Girls just get treated differently in school then boys because I think we discriminate unintentional for both sexes. Boys are suppose to be good in school not just girls. There are lots of girls that have problems too.

 

[WildlifeSaver]

the funny thing is that i've heard people talk about how women have now evolved far enough so that they no longer need men to reproduce; devolution more like it. i'm sure that this "female sperm" is decades away if it will even be developed at all. but women of course always have the option of going to sperm banks if they are incapable of finding a mate in the flesh for various reasons including being homosexual, being socially inept, lacking sufficient beauty or intelligence, or not being able to get along with the opposite sex, or for some other emotional or psychological problem. now do we really want these types of people reproducing anyways? do you think it's the mentally and physically healthy individuals that are going to sperm banks? no, more likely the social freaks who can't get along with anyone and shouldn't be having kids in the first place!

if you can't go out and find your own mate and reproduce there is probably something wrong with you socially, physically, or mentally. you are doing a disservice to humanity and your own children by perpetuating your pathetic existence by passing on your genes to your offspring who will be a part of our future society. if women have the crazy idea of going off and having a child with purchased sperm, they might want to first examine themselves and consider why they couldn't actually find a real man and wonder if they are really making the world a better place by having a child. this would also apply to men, yet fortunately men have no way of producing children on their own. nature's safeguard against devolution is requiring both a healthy male and female for reproduction, and if a person has some flaw that makes them incapable of finding a mate and reproducing naturally, they'd be doing us all a favor and leaving it at that.

the ability to have children is a gift not a right. people selfishly bring children into this world when both society and the child would have been better off had they not been born at all.

Now that women actually can speak for themselves and have rights, well damn we are going to try and out do anything any man has done. So what you are saying is true I agree with you. Since times have changed we needed less dependence of males.

 

[BluePhoenix]

The health disparities between men and women is another topic. Same idea though, females are way better off than males but still get most of the focus.

Ummm...I'm pretty sure that's because women are more likely to go see a doctor and be treated for something. And most of the focus in medicine has primarily been on males for a good long time, only recently are diseases (like stroke and heat disease) being seriously looked at in women. The difference is that women seem to be more actively in seeking treatment and promoting research on their disease. How many women participate in some sort of Breast Cancer activity? How many men will even talk about Prostate Cancer?

 

[muireinin]

Do I really have to prove to you that boys are innately more active?

yes. i'm not buying into a popular cultural myth on your word alone.

Also by suggesting boys having ADHD is the reason for their educational hardships, you suggest that males are in fact inferior to females. But hey, join the club.

not trying to say that at all. i'm trying to suggest that this is a multi-factorial issue. unless you believe that ADHD somehow automatically makes people inferior...

 

[muireinin]

Ummm...I'm pretty sure that's because women are more likely to go see a doctor and be treated for something. And most of the focus in medicine has primarily been on males for a good long time, only recently are diseases (like stroke and heat disease) being seriously looked at in women. The difference is that women seem to be more actively in seeking treatment and promoting research on their disease. How many women participate in some sort of Breast Cancer activity? How many men will even talk about Prostate Cancer?

and wasn't there a study a while ago that showed married women had more health problems than married men? it was odd - something like if single men marry, their overall health increases while it was the opposite for women...i'll have to go find it...

 

[bodonid]

and wasn't there a study a while ago that showed married women had more health problems than married men? it was odd - something like if single men marry, their overall health increases while it was the opposite for women...i'll have to go find it...

Married men have more health problems on average at an earlier age than married women. You must be thinking married women have more health problems than single women, and the opposite is supposedly true for men (married men are healthier than lifetime bachelors.) I have never seen studies on this, but I saw it on Bill Maher: "married men" were compared to "indoor cats" in that they live longer but don't have as much fun... but I don't think Bill Maher is peer-reviewed.

 

[Chuckwalla]

Ummm...I'm pretty sure that's because women are more likely to go see a doctor and be treated for something. And most of the focus in medicine has primarily been on males for a good long time, only recently are diseases (like stroke and heat disease) being seriously looked at in women. The difference is that women seem to be more actively in seeking treatment and promoting research on their disease. How many women participate in some sort of Breast Cancer activity? How many men will even talk about Prostate Cancer?

First off, there is an United States office for Women's Health. There is no office for men, same things goes for other industrialized countries. Women's health gets priority from the government.

Have you seen all the national programs and drive to focus on women's health?

We have breast care awareness month, pink ribbons are everywhere you see. There is a lot of activism telling women to get checked along with charities for breast cancer research. There are SEVEN breast cancer drugs for every one prostate cancer drug.

And we also cannot forget the national "Wear Red Day", focusing on "Women's Heart Health". That is right, heart disease is only a problem when it affects women. Despite that heart disease is also the top killer of men and kills them a lot younger. But I am not even saying we focus on men, I am just saying we should focus on heart health in general.

Recently we had "Eating Disorder Awareness" month. This is probably the most focused on mental health problem. But you do not see any focus on suicide, where 80% of the victims are male. Do I really have to say that suicide is a much bigger problem than eating disorders?

Finally, we have gynecology as a specialty. There is no andrology and do not say that is the job of urologists. They only focus on a certain area, they do not specialize in the whole person and how diseases specifically affect them.

 

[Chuckwalla]

yes. i'm not buying into a popular cultural myth on your word alone.

not trying to say that at all. i'm trying to suggest that this is a multi-factorial issue. unless you believe that ADHD somehow automatically makes people inferior...

It's not a pop culture myth, just think back to when you were a kid.

ADHD greatly hinders learning ability and to suggest that the whole male gender sudden became chronic with it is ridiculous.

 

[muireinin]

Married men have more health problems on average at an earlier age than married women. You must be thinking married women have more health problems than single women, and the opposite is supposedly true for men (married men are healthier than lifetime bachelors.) I have never seen studies on this, but I saw it on Bill Maher: "married men" were compared to "indoor cats" in that they live longer but don't have as much fun... but I don't think Bill Maher is peer-reviewed.

thanks, that was what i was thinking of...we read it in soc class but then again, that class was crap anyways.

It's not a pop culture myth, just think back to when you were a kid. ADHD greatly hinders learning ability and to suggest that the whole male gender sudden became chronic with it is ridiculous.

and as for remembering when i was a kid...well, we can delve into personal anecdotes (ie. i remember both boys and girls being active, you remember only boys being active) or we could get some facts. i'll agree with you that it's odd that males are more often diagnosed with ADHD than females, but i was trying to show that it's more than just a recess/educational disadvantage thing. there are other factors at play...

 

[BluePhoenix]

First off, there is an United States office for Women's Health. There is no office for men, same things goes for other industrialized countries. Women's health gets priority from the government.

Have you seen all the national programs and drive to focus on women's health?

Ok, first off...most studies are initially done on white males. Which means, for most symptoms and drug studies, we know the response for...white males. Why?...because they're the easiest group to get to do the studies. As they finally started to realize that often women have different symptoms, difference problems and different reactions...they needed to start promoting women's health and studies on women as well. (Note: I'm not saying there doesn't need to be men's studies as well, simply that typically, they're the first test subjects for a lot of things)

We have breast care awareness month, pink ribbons are everywhere you see. There is a lot of activism telling women to get checked along with charities for breast cancer research. There are SEVEN breast cancer drugs for every one prostate cancer drug.

And we also cannot forget the national "Wear Red Day", focusing on "Women's Heart Health". That is right, heart disease is only a problem when it affects women. Despite that heart disease is also the top killer of men and kills them a lot younger. But I am not even saying we focus on men, I am just saying we should focus on heart health in general.

September is National Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. Men just seem to be a bit more hush hush about it than women are about breast cancer. Women seems a lot more open to sharing their stories and seek the support of others. There's activism for men but they don't quite seem to be as active and vocal about it. All this activism raises a lot of money and helps put the issue on a national scale where everyone is aware of it. If you had large groups of men holding walks and runs and bike rides and dinners and whatnot for prostate cancer, I imagine there'd be more awareness and funding for that. In terms of drugs...that depends both on money and on the odd success of medications...some cancers are easier to treat than others...how regularly do most men check their prostate?..maybe they should focus more on prostate drugs rather than erectile disfunction drugs?

Heart health for women has been a big deal because recent studies have shown that women often present different symptoms than men so doctors may miss the diagnosis. Most people are familiar with the typical heart attack symptoms (at least major ones) but if those aren't there or you don't expect women to present them...you may not realize what's going on or how serious it is...thus the need to make people aware.

Recently we had "Eating Disorder Awareness" month. This is probably the most focused on mental health problem. But you do not see any focus on suicide, where 80% of the victims are male. Do I really have to say that suicide is a much bigger problem than eating disorders?

Finally, we have gynecology as a specialty. There is no andrology and do not say that is the job of urologists. They only focus on a certain area, they do not specialize in the whole person and how diseases specifically affect them.

You really seem to have a problem with awareness things that don't apply to you...as though we need a male awareness week for every female awareness week. Just because you're not aware of it...doesn't mean there's not an awareness week for it or support groups or national foundations. Maybe instead of complaining about groups you think are missing, you should spend your energy increasing the awareness of the problem.

Perhaps the female anatomy is more complicated than a males? Or maybe there are more complicated issues to deal with? I don't know, but I imagine if it were truly a problem that a specialty would have been formed for just the male genitalia.

 

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September is National Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. Men just seem to be a bit more hush hush about it than women are about breast cancer. Women seems a lot more open to sharing their stories and seek the support of others. There's activism for men but they don't quite seem to be as active and vocal about it. All this activism raises a lot of money and helps put the issue on a national scale where everyone is aware of it. If you had large groups of men holding walks and runs and bike rides and dinners and whatnot for prostate cancer, I imagine there'd be more awareness and funding for that. In terms of drugs...that depends both on money and on the odd success of medications...some cancers are easier to treat than others...how regularly do most men check their prostate?..maybe they should focus more on prostate drugs rather than erectile disfunction drugs?

It is not a matter of what individual groups of citizens are doing, it is what the government is doing. There is a health office for women but not men, can you explain why that should be? Especially when women are better off health wise in every way. NIH also gives twice the money for breast cancer than prostate cancer.

Do not give me that prostate cancer is harder to treat. That is ridiculous. The funding and even the amount of drugs have nothing to do with that.

You really seem to have a problem with awareness things that don't apply to you...as though we need a male awareness week for every female awareness week. Just because you're not aware of it...doesn't mean there's not an awareness week for it or support groups or national foundations. Maybe instead of complaining about groups you think are missing, you should spend your energy increasing the awareness of the problem.

Perhaps the female anatomy is more complicated than a males? Or maybe there are more complicated issues to deal with? I don't know, but I imagine if it were truly a problem that a specialty would have been formed for just the male genitalia.

When men are worse off than women, then we should have AT LEAST equal focus on men, but we do not even have that. And because I do not see it means that the campaigns are certainly lacking, I am pretty good at keeping up on stuff. Do not even try to say prostate cancer awareness reaches nearly the audience of breast cancer awareness.

Female anatomy more complicated than males? If that is the case it is only because it is better understood.

The truth is none of these things particularly affect me but I think gender discrimination is bogus. When I went through high school and most of college I learned that women were the ones at a disadvantage and said I would speak out about that. Imagine my surprise when I found the exact opposite was true.

 

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First off, I'm not sure recess is considered a class. Secondly, most schools cut things like recess, gym, art, and music because they do not have the funding. Recess and gym are usually the first to go because although physical activity has great benefits it cannot be considered as intellectually stimulating as art and music which both foster creativity.

What?? Why does recess get cut because of a lack of funding? It's free to go outside and play. The rationale I've heard is that it gets cut because schools are teaching to the No Child Left Behind act, so they "don't have time for recess," even though I think it would make children more productive later. Furthermore, the interaction that children gain by playing together at age 7 is more important than trying to get them to do art and music classes.