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[Braveheart]

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I think that ALL the pretty people and the severly ugly people should get in. I think that they are under represented in medical school. 🙂 😀

 

[dpgc21]

I got this from an article about the MCAT:


Substantial score differences between Whites and students of color lead to an underepresentation of minorities in medical school when MCAT scores play a large role in admissions decisions (see table). In states where affirmative action programs have been eliminated, the numbers of students from historically underrepresented groups in medical school have plunged dramatically. In 1997 the number of African Americans, Latinos, and Native Americans accepted to publicly-supported medical schools in California, Texas, Mississippi, and Louisiana (all states that eliminated affirmative action for the first time that year) dropped by 27%.

The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education estimated that if the top 10 highest-ranking medical schools in the nation dismantled their affirmative action policies and replaced them with strict MCAT cut-off scores, only 7 Black students would meet entrance requirements.4 Another study revealed that under admissions in which MCAT scores are of primary importance, the percentage of Blacks enrolled at the 25 most selective medical schools would drop from 10% to 1%.5 Derek Bok, former president of Harvard University, cautioned against this phenomenon: "The most dramatic effects in eliminating affirmative action would be on medical and law schools because the more selective the institution, the greater the impact, and nothing is more selective than medical school and law schools."

The consequences of a shortage of doctors of color would be devastating. More than half of all patients seen by Black doctors are Black; in contrast, White doctors practice in communities in which on average only 5% of the population is Black. Black doctors practice in communities in which nearly half of the population lives in poverty.6 If a state no longer educates significant numbers of Black doctors, it is estimated that communities with large Black populations would be four times as likely to have doctor shortages.

In fact, since test scores substantially fail to predict success, medical school admissions offices can promote equity and excellence simultaneously by deemphasizing test scores. At the University of California, Davis medical school, a twenty-year study measured the effects of affirmative action policies on promoting racial diversity on campus. Students admitted under affirmative action - 20% of whom as part of their "special consideration" status did not need to meet MCAT and GPA minimums - had graduation rates and performance reviews in residencies that were "remarkably similar" to students admitted under standard criteria.7

 

[CerealBox]

i never knew there were so many jerks going into medical school. maybe its the crazy competition and panic that's getting you down.

but... maybe think twice, take a sociology class, or be a big siter or brother to a kid growing up in the projects of your city. talk to people. my mom has tons of stories of institutionalized racism that kept trying to bring her down throughout her education. it was and still is a real problem. opportunities are unfortunately NOT the same for people of different ethnicities.

its a sad truth. try not to be mean about it.

also, it is very important that people of different ethnicities have doctors of their ethnicity to see if they want to. MANY people feel more comfortable seeing a physician of their own cultural/racial background.

 

[aragonh]

I think that ALL the pretty people and the severly ugly people should get in. I think that they are under represented in medical school. 🙂 😀

Which ones? THe pretty one or the ugly ones?

Increase the pretty ones . . . .down with the ugly ones!!!

 

[lulubean]

i never knew there were so many jerks going into medical school. maybe its the crazy competition and panic that's getting you down.

but... maybe think twice, take a sociology class, or be a big siter or brother to a kid growing up in the projects of your city. talk to people. my mom has tons of stories of institutionalized racism that kept trying to bring her down throughout her education. it was and still is a real problem. opportunities are unfortunately NOT the same for people of different ethnicities.

its a sad truth. try not to be mean about it.

also, it is very important that people of different ethnicities have doctors of their ethnicity to see if they want to. MANY people feel more comfortable seeing a physician of their own cultural/racial background.

 

[aragonh]

👍

Alright! That's 1 For! Is everyone else against it? 😱

U against it?? Oh man, you dont know what your missing . . .but thats ok, more for me

 

[visualwealth]

I got this from an article about the MCAT:





here is my question!

If admission to top 10 schools were based solely on stats(GPA/MCAT what would the average of every top 10 medical school be??

My guess 3.98 and 40 range!!!

 

[Braveheart]

Which ones? THe pretty one or the ugly ones?

Increase the pretty ones . . . .down with the ugly ones!!!

hey, there needs to be ugly people to make the pretty people to feel lucky to be pretty.

 

[Miss Alyssa]

my mom has tons of stories of institutionalized racism that kept trying to bring her down throughout her education. it was and still is a real problem. opportunities are unfortunately NOT the same for people of different ethnicities.

its a sad truth. try not to be mean about it.
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Wow, i've been waiting for someone to mention this for a long time. Like you my mom has stories - she was the only person held back in her Master's class. As a result, she couldn't finished with everyone else and had to go back another year. Yes, she was the only Black person. No she wasn't under qualified. When she asked the teacher why she was being failed, the teacher said "she wasn't ready to move on".

There is also a lot of talk about Black students with money from good neighbourhoods getting into med schools because of AA and this not being fair. Even if this does happen (I dont actually know), but these Black student, like me probably went to mostly "all white" schools. I can tell you first hand that this is not easy at all. From elementary through highschool you have your peers and teachers doubting your abilities. some examples... I had teachers call home to ask if my parents helped me on projects cuz there's no way I could do it alone, my band teacher failed me saying she wasn't sure of my abilties and I'd have to come in play for her (I was the only one this happened to)... racist symbols painted on walls being called "art"... being singled out and embarrased in class... teachers exclaiming that jail is a right of passage for black men...

its not a very conducive environment to 'learn' in.

Btw, I dont live the states, I can only assume it's worse there

 

[Braveheart]

teachers exclaiming that jail is a right of passage for black men...

I am a black male and I definetly feel that crap. I live in South Carolina, cant get more racist then this place. I never thought it could happen to me when I was arrested for no reason. Come to find out after 6 hours in jail and seeing the judge, he asked me what i was doing there. I told him that i wasn't in trouble and explained that I was a premed. There was nothing on my record (which I KNEW) but the "white" police officer told me that my license was suspended. I was infuriated because I knew why he pulled me over (I had one of my pretty white friend girl in the car). The cop asked her personal question about our relationship. To result, all the charges was dropped and i almost sued but there would had been many troubles. Things sometimes never change. It took me a while to realize that my intelligence was a good thing. I got tired especially in high school me being the smart black guy and being teased. I got to college and that was the same thing. This one professor told me after the class and said that he thought that I was a trouble maker in the beginning. I never spoke in class and came to class on time, how can I be a trouble maker. 😕

 

[americanangel]

i never knew there were so many jerks going into medical school. maybe its the crazy competition and panic that's getting you down.

but... maybe think twice, take a sociology class, or be a big siter or brother to a kid growing up in the projects of your city. talk to people. my mom has tons of stories of institutionalized racism that kept trying to bring her down throughout her education. it was and still is a real problem. opportunities are unfortunately NOT the same for people of different ethnicities.

Being held down isn't just a racial issue! It happens to everyone regardless of race. How many times are women not paid as much as men in equal positions? A study just reported that white female executives are paid the least among thier counterparts. Both hispanic and african american women are paid more then white women even though all three parties are paid less then white and african american males. There are many white kids who don't have the same opportunity as african american kids or hispanic kids and most get lost in the system because they don't have any programs helping them out.
Like I've said, I think race shouldn't be an issue in application!

 

[nne97080]

i never knew there were so many jerks going into medical school. maybe its the crazy competition and panic that's getting you down.

but... maybe think twice, take a sociology class, or be a big siter or brother to a kid growing up in the projects of your city. talk to people. my mom has tons of stories of institutionalized racism that kept trying to bring her down throughout her education. it was and still is a real problem. opportunities are unfortunately NOT the same for people of different ethnicities.

Being held down isn't just a racial issue! It happens to everyone regardless of race. How many times are women not paid as much as men in equal positions? A study just reported that white female executives are paid the least among thier counterparts. Both hispanic and african american women are paid more then white women even though all three parties are paid less then white and african american males. There are many white kids who don't have the same opportunity as african american kids or hispanic kids and most get lost in the system because they don't have any programs helping them out.
Like I've said, I think race shouldn't be an issue in application!

Ok where did you read that both hispanic and aa women are paid more than white women? I would really like to know.

 

[americanangel]

Ok where did you read that both hispanic and aa women are paid more than white women? I would really like to know.

It was an article in Forbes about two months ago...If I find the link again, I'll post it for you!

 

[riceman04]

the playing field has to be leveled at every level, even the job market=equal opportunity employment.

see mdapplicants and ask around, it happens all the time

exactly--tell that to the adcoms

has never happened to me in my personal experience. oftentimes special "review" sessions are created for "disadvantaged" applicants where answers are basically handed out, no joke, i have heard of it. no im not going to pull up articles and research papers to prove it. theres something called PC that prevents things like this from ever being published.

Let's be real Trumpster. Those answers are given to football players and atheletes. UT thrives on sports and will therefore make the effort to support them.

Why dont you come to Rice and see if that is a phenomenon.

 

[GreekIsleSunset]

Why does there need to be urms in med school? What difference does it make?

During my three years here at Penn State I have had 3 black students, 2 latinos, & ~10 asians in my classes (not including large lectures over 300-but counting the recitation sections). Do I feel that I "gained something" from the classes with urms or "missed out" in the ones without any? No and no. All 3 black students fit the stereotype. They sat in the back of the class, acted disinterested, and were constantly disruptive. Maybe it is because they felt uncomfortable being the only one of their color. In that case, AA can be a bad thing because (as an earlier poster expressed) the AA student feels ostracized and judged. But I did not gain from the experience. I did not come out more culturally aware. So, what's the point? And if the goal of AA is cultural exposure, then urms have it made because they're getting a great exposure to whites!! Look at it from the other side!

I just do not understand the logic of AA. We do not live in a socialist state, and there needn't be equality for everyone. Some people are rich, others are not. I am not rich, but have benefitted from scholarships from rich white alumni. So, I plan on giving back just the same. But what about urms? If the goal is to let them in with the primary intention of having them take the "crap jobs" in inner cities and dilapidated hospitals, why the hell would they want that?? Urms probably want the cush jobs too, and given that (again, as someone stated) urms perform on par with whites, they will have access to great residencies. Why then would they pick poop when they can have creme brulee? It's not a race issue, it's a "willingness to serve" issue. Thus "Urms" should be people who demonstrate a sincere desire for the betterment of society and do not much care about Ferraris or a house in the Hamptons.

 

[Braveheart]

Let's be real Trumpster. Those answers are given to football players and atheletes. UT thrives on sports and will therefore make the effort to support them.

Why dont you come to Rice and see if that is a phenomenon.

I knew I should have kept playing football in college, I was pretty good. I became a pre med that can bench press 400 pounds and run a 4.49 in the 40. D*mn. its soo good to be a athlete, maybe if i stayed one I would had got a higher GPA. 😉

 

[Psycho Doctor]

here is my question!

If admission to top 10 schools were based solely on stats(GPA/MCAT what would the average of every top 10 medical school be??

My guess 3.98 and 40 range!!!

not true b/c those students would have to choose only one school to attend. therefore there would be lots of empty seats at other schools and they would be forced to take lower standards off their waitlist

 

[Psycho Doctor]

Why does there need to be urms in med school? What difference does it make?


I just do not understand the logic of AA.

But what about urms? If the goal is to let them in with the primary intention of having them take the "crap jobs" in inner cities and dilapidated hospitals, why the hell would they want that??

some patients in underserved areas would rather see a doctor of the same race

 

[crazy_cavalier]

I propose the following pseudo-code to summarize this thread.

for(EVER)
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p!ssing_contest++;
}

 

[GreekIsleSunset]

I propose the following pseudo-code to summarize this thread.

for(EVER)
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p!ssing_contest++;
}

LOl...i hate computers.

 

[aragonh]

Why does there need to be urms in med school? What difference does it make?

During my three years here at Penn State I have had 3 black students, 2 latinos, & ~10 asians in my classes (not including large lectures over 300-but counting the recitation sections). Do I feel that I "gained something" from the classes with urms or "missed out" in the ones without any? No and no. All 3 black students fit the stereotype. They sat in the back of the class, acted disinterested, and were constantly disruptive. Maybe it is because they felt uncomfortable being the only one of their color. In that case, AA can be a bad thing because (as an earlier poster expressed) the AA student feels ostracized and judged. But I did not gain from the experience. I did not come out more culturally aware. So, what's the point? And if the goal of AA is cultural exposure, then urms have it made because they're getting a great exposure to whites!! Look at it from the other side!

I just do not understand the logic of AA. We do not live in a socialist state, and there needn't be equality for everyone. Some people are rich, others are not. I am not rich, but have benefitted from scholarships from rich white alumni. So, I plan on giving back just the same. But what about urms? If the goal is to let them in with the primary intention of having them take the "crap jobs" in inner cities and dilapidated hospitals, why the hell would they want that?? Urms probably want the cush jobs too, and given that (again, as someone stated) urms perform on par with whites, they will have access to great residencies. Why then would they pick poop when they can have creme brulee? It's not a race issue, it's a "willingness to serve" issue. Thus "Urms" should be people who demonstrate a sincere desire for the betterment of society and do not much care about Ferraris or a house in the Hamptons.

Dude, for some reason, I pity you.

I think you need a hug. Go find yourself a URTV girlfriend

 

[SitraAchra]

And if the goal of AA is cultural exposure, then urms have it made because they're getting a great exposure to whites!! Look at it from the other side!

You lost credibility when you wrote this - and considering it was one of your earlier sentences, it was quite a detreiment to your case.

Ignorant.

 

[hopefulneuro]

You lost credibility when you wrote this - and considering it was one of your earlier sentences, it was quite a detreiment to your case.

Ignorant.

Oh no...you disapprove. Good thing I couldn't care less about my online reputation here at SDN.

If you come up with anything other than ad hominem attacks, be sure to post, especially since this forum's entire purpose is the exchange of information.

 

[SitraAchra]

Oh no...you disapprove. Good thing I couldn't care less about my online reputation here at SDN.

If you come up with anything other than ad hominem attacks, be sure to post, especially since this forum's entire purpose is the exchange of information.

Excuse me - who are you and when was I talking to you?

 

[hopefulneuro]

Excuse me - who are you and when was I talking to you?

I have similar questions as the OP and I dislike it and take it on as a personal matter when people gang up on someone. He or she is allowed to express his/her opinions without nastiness.

 

[SitraAchra]

I have similar questions as the OP and I dislike it and take it on as a personal matter when people gang up on someone. He or she is allowed to express his/her opinions without nastiness.

What part of my post was "nasty?" Is the word "ignorant" suddenly a curse word?

 

[Braveheart]

Wow, this is turning really nasty. 👎 😱 ...let me get the popcorn

 

[skypilot]

Why does there need to be urms in med school? What difference does it make?

During my three years here at Penn State I have had 3 black students, 2 latinos, & ~10 asians in my classes (not including large lectures over 300-but counting the recitation sections). Do I feel that I "gained something" from the classes with urms or "missed out" in the ones without any? No and no. All 3 black students fit the stereotype. They sat in the back of the class, acted disinterested, and were constantly disruptive. Maybe it is because they felt uncomfortable being the only one of their color. In that case, AA can be a bad thing because (as an earlier poster expressed) the AA student feels ostracized and judged.

Have to laugh at this one. These will definitely not be the guys you will meet in med school. They will be high achieving students just like everone else. Give the admissions commitees some credit. They will admit people who are motivated to succeed. 🙂

 

[Shredder]

cant schools just do huge surveys to find out if students even want AA and diversity? i dont know why adcoms assume they do.

 

[Psycho Doctor]

cant schools just do huge surveys to find out if students even want AA and diversity? i dont know why adcoms assume they do.

lol why would they give us a choice?

 

[Shredder]

lol why would they give us a choice?

well what ppl need to do is organize something instead of talking, since these threads come up all the time and theyre all the same. maybe a massive boycott of AA practicing schools? they need to get the message, and threads dont cut it. how can we actually make something happen? i dont like the no political power argument, it may be a little true but thats not a democratic mentality and its a defeatist attitude

 

[Psycho Doctor]

well what ppl need to do is organize something instead of talking, since these threads come up all the time and theyre all the same. maybe a massive boycott of AA practicing schools? they need to get the message, and threads dont cut it. how can we actually make something happen? i dont like the no political power argument, it may be a little true but thats not a democratic mentality and its a defeatist attitude

well the law suit at UMich didn't help....

a massive boycott of AA schools would ultimately hurt us b/c it involves most schools and where would we all apply. I agree with you and sometimes it gets me so angry but the way i see it, the system never worked as it was intended and i don't see how whoever is responsible for this doesn't get it

 

[tank you]

theres no point bitchin about AA because it will never go away.

 

[Shredder]

well the law suit at UMich didn't help....

a massive boycott of AA schools would ultimately hurt us b/c it involves most schools and where would we all apply. I agree with you and sometimes it gets me so angry but the way i see it, the system never worked as it was intended and i don't see how whoever is responsible for this doesn't get it

sometimes i consider expatriation, but i dont know, capitalism and opportunities to make billions dont seem to abound as much elsewhere. i guess the main option is western europe, seeing as im not japanese. then again im uncertain about the strength of their medical and business educational systems there, and that socialized medicine or whatever seems very unappealing. probably once were past the stages where AA comes into play we will stop caring about it, just like nobody cares about the driving or drinking ages once they reach them. and i guess thats why nobody does anything about AA, it doesnt affect most people all that much except people like us. if we could put a candidate in office who pledged to crush AA things might happen, but people dont utilize voting power enough. should one of us run?

 

[Dr.Pdizzle]

i never knew there were so many jerks going into medical school. maybe its the crazy competition and panic that's getting you down.

What are we in middle school here? You're right! People that don't agree with your opinion are big jerks! And ignorant too! Ooooh if only they could see "their misconceptions" then maybe they too would be as wise and mature as you.

and lol @ skypilot your posts make me chuckle 👍

 

[Shredder]

theres no point bitchin about AA because it will never go away.

thats the easy attitude to take but a terrible one. imagine if people said this about (ironic example) slavery long ago. theres no point bitchin about anything but theres always point in making something of bitchin.

 

[tank you]

thats the easy attitude to take but a terrible one. imagine if people said this about (ironic example) slavery long ago. theres no point bitchin about anything but theres always point in making something of bitchin.

haha, i love your example, clever.
but i guess youre right, although i doubt it will ever change, theres just too many factors involved for it to be abolished.

 

[deuist]

cant schools just do huge surveys to find out if students even want AA and diversity? i dont know why adcoms assume they do.

After the UMich case, there were surveys conducted amongst the Ivy Leagues to see if students wanted AA. The results stated that yes, a small majority of students do want affirmative action to occur at their campuses. This survey that I'm referring to only considered Ivy students. I cannot comment on the national sentiment.

 

[deuist]

Let's be real Trumpster. Those answers are given to football players and atheletes. UT thrives on sports and will therefore make the effort to support them.

UFlorida actually has a similar program that gives free tutoring to minority students only. It is not an athlete program---the jocks have their own private tutors.

 

[xSTALLiONx]

Dude, for some reason, I pity you.

I think you need a hug. Go find yourself a URTV girlfriend

He presented his case. Your post was just character assasination without countering his points. And don't use some stupid line with "ignorant" attached somewhere. Provide quality information!

 

[xSTALLiONx]

Ignorant.

😴 Can people please stop using this word and actually provide quality debate. I hate the "ohh... well you're just ignorant" line.. it's an easy way out..

 

[riceman04]

UFlorida actually has a similar program that gives free tutoring to minority students only. It is not an athlete program---the jocks have their own private tutors.

Why do they have this? Ok so I do not support that right there!!!!

At my alma mater you had better know your **** if you are going to take the test. There was no such thing as a review session for minorities only.

 

[aragonh]

He presented his case. Your post was just character assasination without countering his points. And don't use some stupid line with "ignorant" attached somewhere. Provide quality information!

Dude, check your faCts (or read posts) before you accuse someone of assasination.

I did not use the term "ignorant".


An apology is demanded.

 

[Jamaican MD]

"don't be surprised if that top grade announced/posted in class was made by the URM sitting next to you." hmmm I have never seen this happen before and I go to a school with 45,000 undergrads 🙄 maybe I'm just in all the easy classes

Maybe you are in the easy classes. I can only speak for myself, but I'm right up there with the "big boys." (have frequently had the top score in many a science class) All the URMS I go to class with are at the top.

(And maybe URMS are more humble about revealing their top grades. 😉 )

 

[Braveheart]

well what ppl need to do is organize something instead of talking, since these threads come up all the time and theyre all the same. maybe a massive boycott of AA practicing schools? they need to get the message, and threads dont cut it. how can we actually make something happen? i dont like the no political power argument, it may be a little true but thats not a democratic mentality and its a defeatist attitude

I am not for AA but I think that some of you all don't like to see others with oppurtunities. The injustices that face URM is mountainful, and the adcom realizes that fact. I am a black male and I realize that a lot of black males are in prison then they are in college. There are 600,000 black males in college and 800,000 black males in prison. (i rounded the numbers) You guys are acting like AA is senting URM to prison and they are becoming a threat to soceity. AA is giving URM a chance to show that someone do care if they live or die. When you are growing up in the project (I know personally), survival is a must because your life is going to be threatened lots of time. AFRICAN-AMERICAN BEEN ON NORTH AMERICA FOR ABOUT ~465 YEARS, 300 BEEN SLAVERY, ~120 BEEN LEGAL DISCRIMINATION, ~40 WE ARE CONSIDER "EQUAL."
URM are usually at earlier age labelled ******ed (I was labelled that, I latered skipped 2 grades). I am sick and tired of you all whining. I don't see anyone of you all talking about becoming teachers that HELP URM then put them down. I don't see anyone saying lets be POLICE OFFICER so we can stop the perpuation of hate crime. RACISM IS STILL ALIVE, PEOPLE STILL BURN CROSSES IN PPL HARD IN SOUTH CAROLINA. THIS FORUM MAKES ME SICK BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT THE PROBLEM, YOU ALL ARE THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF!!! HUMANS ARE NATURALLY SELFISH!!! I want you all to change the way people think about me being a BLACK MAN. I want you all to not think that I am a drug dealer, thug, gangster or DUMB. I want you all to tell your professor not to DOUBT these URM and promote them. I want you all to WORK IN URBAN AND RURAL AREAS WHERE THE PERCENTAGE OF URM ARE HIGHER NOT GO TO YOUR COZY SUBURBAN AREA TO PRACTICE. THE SOLUTION DON'T START WITH YOU ENDING AA IT START WITH YOU ALL CHANGING YOUR SURROUNDING. OH WELL NONE OF YOU ALL WANT TO PRACTICE IN URBAN AREAS BECAUSE YOU ALL NEVER GREW UP THERE. BUT I DID AND I DON'T HAVE A 4.0 OR A 45 ON THE MCAT. I COULDN'T AFFORD TO TAKE KAPLAN, TRAVEL ABROAD, STUDY FULL TIME, OR NOT THINK ABOUT HOW MY MOM AND LIL SISTER WAS GOING TO EAT. YOU GUYS NEED TO GO IN THESE GHETTO AND TALK TO THESE PEOPLE AND HELP THEM IF YOU SO CONCERNED. HOW MANY OF YOU ALL WILL VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME WITHOUT PUTTING IT ON YOUR MED SCHOOL APPLICATION IN THE FREAKING GHETTO!! IF YOU NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR SELFISH BELIEFS!!! 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

 

[Jamaican MD]

Besides, the majority of URM pre-meds at my undergrad get mucho red carpet treatment. We're talking free personal tutoring, course organized study sessions, sometimes different recitations with "special" TAs, worksheets and review material made that wasn't provided to the entire class, etc. I know this to be a fact as well (at least at my school) because I'm a Resident Assistant in a dorm and work with ethnic aides/URM and they have shown/told me about it. QUOTE]

And the problem with that is what?

You could say that having tutoring and special review session is a way to level the playing field. Come on, we're talking about a huge gap between the educationally/financially disadvantaged and those who are not. Besides, at my school, the tutoring offered BY the minority office was for EVERYONE, regardless of race.

 

[Braveheart]

Besides, the majority of URM pre-meds at my undergrad get mucho red carpet treatment. We're talking free personal tutoring, course organized study sessions, sometimes different recitations with "special" TAs, worksheets and review material made that wasn't provided to the entire class, etc. I know this to be a fact as well (at least at my school) because I'm a Resident Assistant in a dorm and work with ethnic aides/URM and they have shown/told me about it. QUOTE]

And the problem with that is what?

You could say that having tutoring and special review session is a way to level the playing field. Come on, we're talking about a huge gap between the educationally/financially disadvantaged and those who are not. Besides, at my school, the tutoring offered BY the minority office was for EVERYONE, regardless of race.

Man most of these pre med are gunners and they get jealous. Lets compare the BLACK schools and the WHITE schools. Black schools usually have the crappy teachers that only care about a paycheck, white schools usually have lots of funding with better teachers and facilities. HEY WHEN U ALL HAVE KIDS, I WANT YOU TO SEND YOUR KIDS TO A BLACK SCHOOL. HMMM, LETS SEE HOW THEY WILL PERFORM IF YOU WORK ALL THE TIME AND DON'T HAVE TIME TO HELP THEM. DON'T SEND THEM TO PRIVATE SCHOOL OR GOOD PUBLIC SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY NOT GOING TO GET EDUCATION THERE 😛

 

[Braveheart]

See thats why I want to work in underserved areas because I want to lift my communities up. I want them not to suffer from a doctor shortage where to get treated with something they need to go like 50 miles away in the suberbs. So what if I get free tutoring, arent there free tutoring at your schools to everyone but you have to go there yourself. Would you rather see a URM locked up because he/she isn't a threat to you and your job. Or worse yet are you scared that with those tutoring those URM will beat you on a test. WHO CARES BECAUSE MOST OF THESE URM WILL PRACTICE IN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE URM.

 

[Braveheart]

LOOK, I am not trying to start a fight. You all think that URM are as equal as everyone else. How come there are still hate crimes, I mean some black guy got his head decapitated for nothing in Texas. Ok, its some black guy right, well this black guy didnt do anything but be black. How many URM didn't do anything and are in prison or dead. One of my friend in south carolina just died in January from the Police. Dude was UNARMED and in the CAR when the Police fired into the car. Coroner said that he was shot 4 times 3 in the chest and 1 in the head. However the police department said he was shot only once. Why aren't we talking about that like its good but its automatically bad to let URM get into medical school due to AA. WHAT WOULD U RATHER THEM DO, ROB YOU OR SEE THEM PRODUCTIVE IN SOCEITY?

 

[Braveheart]

But Its More Acceptable For Urm To Do Bad Right?