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[Newquagmire]

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My friend goes to UCSD and he is the only black person in his class, and he hates it because they assume he is an AA student.

Look, this guy is really smart and could have gone to any number of places, but he chose to stay at UCSD anyway. Fact is, qualified URM applicants are highly desired at all institutions. Let the man speak for himself.

That said, the student body recognizes the issue. The main student involved in addressing the issue is actually another AA beneficiary, a white female.

 

[CAPTAIN KOONS]

This thread is gripping.

 

[Rzarecta]

Look, this guy is really smart and could have gone to any number of places, but he chose to stay at UCSD anyway. Fact is, qualified URM applicants are highly desired at all institutions. Let the man speak for himself.

That said, the student body recognizes the issue. The main student involved in addressing the issue is actually another AA beneficiary, a white female.

You don't mean female AA in medicine, do you?

 

[Psycho Doctor]

My friend goes to UCSD and he is the only black person in his class, and he hates it because they assume he is an AA student.

well that's b/c the system of AA actually creates racism despite it's so called efforts to halt it.

 

[Shredder]

well that's b/c the system of AA actually creates racism despite it's so called efforts to halt it.

👍 well said

 

[riceman04]

This may be the most irrelevant post I have ever seen on this forum.

I don't even need to point out why.

I know.

 

[Shredder]

theres a lot of talk about this all the time--is there anything we can get together and do about it? to crush it, that is. ideas?

 

[riceman04]

theres a lot of talk about this all the time--is there anything we can get together and do about it? to crush it, that is. ideas?

Nope! You guys have no political clout.

While you guys are at it can someone obtain an actualy definition of AA. (please not one of yall's bs and very biased definitions.)

So I would like to know if you guys can back up all of your opinions with cited material (and please dont present anything from a neo-nazi website/article or any media supported by a hate group. Though I do not think any of you are racist I just have to make sure I make myself clear when I say obtain cited, factual material.)

Then afterwards, bring what you found to the table (I dont think anyone will want to do this now that I think about it).

 

[Newquagmire]

You don't mean female AA in medicine, do you?

yes. are you trying to say that it doesn't exist?

 

[skypilot]

My friend goes to UCSD and he is the only black person in his class, and he hates it.

Being the only black person in your medical school class is a problem in itself. Racism is still an issue in this society, just read some of the posts in this thread to confirm this. At my school there is an organization which is there to support minority students. A student would never feel alone if they were facing discrimination. This is one reason why it is a good idea to maintain some balance in a medical school class.

And believe me there are no unqualified students here, they would have flunked out after the first semester.

I wonder what it feels like for this guy with no support behind him.

 

[Severus]

Where are you getting the information that the dropout rate of URMs is higher than non-URM? I find that hard to believe because the ratio of non-URMs to URMs in med school is 10 to 1. So if the dropout rate of URMs is higher then certainly there wont be any URMs left in med school.

you need to figure out what 'rate' means

 

[Severus]

Racism is still an issue in this society, just read some of the posts in this thread to confirm this.

you mean by the people for AA? agreed

 

[Severus]

Nope! You guys have no political clout.

so on one hand you say we're oppressing you to hell and on the other hand we have no power? You must have gotten in thru AA.

Next time you think youre being witty, realize you're not.

 

[Braveheart]

how come AA topic comes out at the beginning of every application cycle. I think we should just get rid of AA and go only by how much money someone has. I am tired of rich URM getting all the help they can get and poor URM like myself having to compete with Bill Cosby's kids. I just think that you should be given preference if you had to work full time while in school. Someone that only had to worry about studying and making the grades will on average have better grades then someone that had to worry about working full time.

 

[Dr.Pdizzle]

🙂

how come AA topic comes out at the beginning of every application cycle. I think we should just get rid of AA and go only by how much money someone has. I am tired of rich URM getting all the help they can get and poor URM like myself having to compete with Bill Cosby's kids.

Great post 👍 I too think race should be pitched and just help out by socioeconomic status. Someone mentioned earlier (and implied) that what the stats of mcat scores and grades don't show all the money spent to buy text books, pay for mcat prep classes, go to the best schools, etc.

It was a good point, but this person was implying that ALL WHITES can afford this and all URM cannot afford it--this is simply not true. I know its hard for a lot of people to believe, but not every white person is rich and has mommy and daddy to pay for their schooling.

I'm totally for helping out people, but I'd like all people who are financially disadvantaged to be helped out, not just blacks. Where's the equality in that?


On a side note: I'd like to suggest why the same topics come up each application process. I'm willing to bet that a lot of posters are first timers, myself included, and find this site when they are about to apply to medical school. They haven't been around for these debates, do not want to utilize/do not know how to use the search function and dig up old AA posts, besides, whats the point on digging up an old topic....START A NEW ONE

Also, this is a pre-medical forum, there are a limited amount of topics that can be discussed before they are repeated or spam posts start taking precedence

 

[hopefulneuro]

Who cares what race their doctor is? Shouldn't medical excellence and interpersonal skills be more important?

The argument that urms should be recruited to fill minority concentrated locations is stupid. That perpetuates the disparity. Look at Teach for America, since it has similar principles. Why are the majority of teachers white? There aren't many minorities doing it. Maybe THEY don't much care about their own people.

I agree that AA should be abolished. Why does there have to be equality with-every-single-aspect-of-society? It would be racist to suggest that asians are more intelligent than blacks, but not racist to say that blacks are better athletes. How about that double standard?

To the poster who suggested that the MCATs are biased: How? And don't give me that crap about socioeconomic factors leading UP to the MCAT, because that's not the test itself.

What about rich urms???? They have every advantage as middle class non-urms and STILL get a boost.

The argument that all urms are unqualified is wrong. A good friend of mine is a black woman and she attends UPitt with scholarships. She worked her a$$ off to get there, and urm probably played a very minor role in her admittance.

We should indeed implement a strict meritocracy. If it happens that 100% of med students are white, or black, or asian, or indian, or latino, then so be it.

 

[Orth2006]

you need to figure out what 'rate' means

Forgive my ignorance - but what does "rate" mean 🙄

 

[nne97080]

It has a strong correlation with your success in med school, yes. What's your point?

NOT TRUE. Which studies and how was the sampling done? I know someone who scored high on the MCAT high as in mid 30's and barely made it out of med school 🙂

 

[Psycho Doctor]

🙂

Great post 👍 I too think race should be pitched and just help out by socioeconomic status. Someone mentioned earlier (and implied) that what the stats of mcat scores and grades don't show all the money spent to buy text books, pay for mcat prep classes, go to the best schools, etc.

It was a good point, but this person was implying that ALL WHITES can afford this and all URM cannot afford it--this is simply not true. I know its hard for a lot of people to believe, but not every white person is rich and has mommy and daddy to pay for their schooling.

I'm totally for helping out people, but I'd like all people who are financially disadvantaged to be helped out, not just blacks. Where's the equality in that?


On a side note: I'd like to suggest why the same topics come up each application process. I'm willing to bet that a lot of posters are first timers, myself included, and find this site when they are about to apply to medical school. They haven't been around for these debates, do not want to utilize/do not know how to use the search function and dig up old AA posts, besides, whats the point on digging up an old topic....START A NEW ONE

Also, this is a pre-medical forum, there are a limited amount of topics that can be discussed before they are repeated or spam posts start taking precedence

uh yea but this was mentioned by many on page 1

 

[nne97080]

correct me if Im wrong, but you'd probably get pretty angry if whites said they only wanted to see white doctors. Right?

You need to check yourself man. "Cracker?" What kind of word is that for budding physician. Its truly sad that we still have people like you around and if you are interested in actually learning you need to go see Doc's office in surburbia US and see how white patient gravetate to white docs and urms i.e AA to AA and Latinos to Latinos. Sometimes its not intentional actually. Its sometimes subconscious.

 

[MoosePilot]

NOT TRUE. Which studies and how was the sampling done? I know someone who scored high on the MCAT high as in mid 30's and barely made it out of med school 🙂

While we're working on definitions, please look up correlation. Correlation does not equal guarantee. A perfect correlation would only mean everyone who did well so far on MCAT did well in med school, so one exception would only adjust the correlation, not make it untrue. When he said strong, he didn't claim a perfect correlation, so there are assumed to be people who didn't do well on MCAT, but did in school and vice versa.

 

[nne97080]

While we're working on definitions, please look up correlation. Correlation does not equal guarantee. A perfect correlation would only mean everyone who did well so far on MCAT did well in med school, so one exception would only adjust the correlation, not make it untrue. When he said strong, he didn't claim a perfect correlation, so there are assumed to be people who didn't do well on MCAT, but did in school and vice versa.

ok since you are so knowledgeable about correlation. Which studies were there that showed such correlation. Can you tell me how to find them. Moreover, how was the sampling done. I used my example to emphasize that a sampling of individuals who truly represent the actual population would result in a study that proves otherwise = no correlation. DO you understand or do I have to talk in baby talk.

 

[MoosePilot]

ok since you are so knowledgeable about correlation. Which studies were there that showed such correlation. Can you tell me how to find them. Moreover, how was the sampling done. I used one of my example to emphasize that a sampling of a study with such people whom I do not think are exceptions but actually the norm would result in a study that proves otherwise + no correlation. DO you understand or do I have to talk in baby talk.

I'm not interested in a pissing contest, but while I'm teaching you, I should also emphasize the difference between telling you the definition of correlation and offering to look up research that anyone with google or a basic knowledge of the SDN search function could find. I've posted examples of this research before.

Because I'm so generous, though:

http://www.aamc.org/students/mcat/research/bibliography/start.htm

I don't need baby talk, but if you had more talent with the English language, I'd appreciate it if you used it.

 

[nne97080]

I'm not interested in a pissing contest, but while I'm teaching you, I should also emphasize the difference between telling you the definition of correlation and offering to look up research that anyone with google or a basic knowledge of the SDN search function could find. I've posted examples of this research before.

Because I'm so generous, though:

http://www.aamc.org/students/mcat/research/bibliography/start.htm

I don't need baby talk, but if you had more talent with the English language, I'd appreciate it if you used it.

Please teacher stop teaching you made absolutely no difference in enriching my learning experience, but I do appreciate your website I will check it out and find out more. Goodluck and be kind to your future URM patients 🙂

 

[Braveheart]

DO you understand or do I have to talk in baby talk.

u guys are too funny?

 

[Braveheart]

Honestly, I am african-american and I rather see people of my race in leading positions. I rather go to a doctor that is african-american (i feel more comfortable) then non-black doctor. The main reason for a lot of lifestyle disease is that minorities aren't represented in healthcare. Minorities are more open to their own race and will express their concerns more. Its always fun to hear a white doctor try to "act black" to black patients. For example, this white doctor (around 35 y.o.) came into a black patient room and said "yo, wassup how are u feelling." 🙄 🙄

 

[nne97080]

I'm not interested in a pissing contest, but while I'm teaching you, I should also emphasize the difference between telling you the definition of correlation and offering to look up research that anyone with google or a basic knowledge of the SDN search function could find. I've posted examples of this research before.

Because I'm so generous, though:

http://www.aamc.org/students/mcat/research/bibliography/start.htm

I don't need baby talk, but if you had more talent with the English language, I'd appreciate it if you used it.

Ok subjects for the first study were from two public schools which is not a great sampling of the population at large that attend medical school. Secondly it assumes a multicollinearity which does not really exist since individuals in all two schools do not have sci gpas or mcat scores the independent variables tested that vary to the point of infinity. Pretty sure that their sci gpas and mcat scores vary just slightly and I am sure you would agree that bivariate analysis is not good cause it discounts so many other factors that I think are important i.e undergrad major etc. So in other words, I am not buying what they are selling honey.

 

[Braveheart]

Hey nne97080...do u know the average MCAT score for african-american matriculant? I am just curious.

 

[Psycho Doctor]

For example, this white doctor (around 35 y.o.) came into a black patient room and said "yo, wassup how are u feelling." 🙄 🙄

 

[riceman04]

so on one hand you say we're oppressing you to hell and on the other hand we have no power? You must have gotten in thru AA.

Next time you think youre being witty, realize you're not.

Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!! Hold Up Cowboy!!!! You are trying to tame a stallion even though you don't have the rope or the skills to do so! I was only stating the facts. Since I served on the University AA committee at my school (Rice U by the way), I am well aware of the attempts that students made to influence the decisions made by University of Michigan (via through protests, letters written to the House and Senate, etc). So if they were so successful, why did the supreme court vote in favor of maintaining U. Mich's practices b/c they viewed it as a necessary policy to assist in maintaining diversity. No.... you do not have any political clout......your ancestors and current relatives in government did/do. There is a difference. I assume you are part of the white race since you mention "we're oppressing you." Too bad you do not have your facts straight before your you try to come correct with me.
And about me getting into Rice U.: There was no AA when I matriculated. Why don't you tell me why since you try to pass as an omniscient S.O.B who has studied national policy and law. Let me give you some history now......... Have you ever heard of the Hopwood Decision which occured in the south due to an incident at the University of Texas Law school in Austin. One little whinny girl complained to admissions b/c she felt that an unqualified african american girl, who ended up matriculating and graduating by the way, was given her spot only because she was a minority. To make a long history lesson short, the girl sued and the case was taken to the local highest ranking court within that circuit (Sheryl Hopwood was her name by the way). Because that court found that her rights as an individual had been violated, AA was found to be unlawful. Since that decision was passed, no university under the jurisdiction of that circuit court (which includes schools in Texas, Louisiana, and I Arkansas) could not use admissions practices that emphasize anything remotely similar to AA. For that reason, there were only 32 of us (afr. amer) who matriculated in 2000. And yes, I was qualified and graduated with honors.

 

[riceman04]

so on one hand you say we're oppressing you to hell and on the other hand we have no power? You must have gotten in thru AA.

Next time you think youre being witty, realize you're not.

And by the way Servus, you still have not brought me a cited definition of AA. Now chop chop youngin! Do as you are told so that you can be enlightened.

 

[Jamaican MD]

This will prolly be the last AA thread that I post in because, OP, no matter how many times this topic is discussed, people are not going to GET it.

If we forget about the hundreds of years of slavery, and the decades of racism/egregation/jim crow laws, you can still justify affirmative action.

Trust that AA is helping the right people get into professional school. No person is getting into medical school on race alone. There are several factors to be considered.

So, the national MCAT average is around 24, and say the average for a particular medical school is 30. Say a URM who is the child of immigrant parents who only have an elementary level education. This person didn't have the luxury of going to the best schools, or benefitting from parents/family/sibling who went to college, let alone medical school. This URM couldn't even afford to take a PR or Kaplan class but managed to score 27 on the MCAT. That's 3 point above the national average and 3 points below the med school's average. Assuming that there are non-URM applicants who were accepted above and below that MCAT average score, how in the world did the URM "steal" or take somebody's spot? he or she is in league with the other students, right?

I think the problem is non-urm students really think med schools are taking in any URM just for the sake of diversity with WAY below average stats. And to be fair, since URMS only make up aboud 8-10% of a medical school class, you can't argue that all of the URMS comprise the lowest GPAs and MCAT scores while all the white applicants were above the average. It doesn't work statistically.

My plea: don't judge people based on what they look like. Don't assume that I took your spot. And most importantly, don't be surprised if that top grade announced/posted in class was made by the URM sitting next to you. 😉

 

[Psycho Doctor]

This will prolly be the last AA thread that I post in because, OP, no matter how many times this topic is discussed, people are not going to GET it.

If we forget about the hundreds of years of slavery, and the decades of racism/egregation/jim crow laws, you can still justify affirmative action.

Trust that AA is helping the right people get into professional school. No person is getting into medical school on race alone. There are several factors to be considered.

So, the national MCAT average is around 24, and say the average for a particular medical school is 30. Say a URM who is the child of immigrant parents who only have an elementary level education. This person didn't have the luxury of going to the best schools, or benefitting from parents/family/sibling who went to college, let alone medical school. This URM couldn't even afford to take a PR or Kaplan class but managed to score 27 on the MCAT. That's 3 point above the national average and 3 points below the med school's average. Assuming that there are non-URM applicants who were accepted above and below that MCAT average score, how in the world did the URM "steal" or take somebody's spot? he or she is in league with the other students, right?

I think the problem is non-urm students really think med schools are taking in any URM just for the sake of diversity with WAY below average stats. And to be fair, since URMS only make up aboud 8-10% of a medical school class, you can't argue that all of the URMS comprise the lowest GPAs and MCAT scores while all the white applicants were above the average. It doesn't work statistically.

My plea: don't judge people based on what they look like. Don't assume that I took your spot. And most importantly, don't be surprised if that top grade announced/posted in class was made by the URM sitting next to you. 😉

not everyone who can afford it takes prep courses..i plain didn't have the time.

 

[Touchdown]

I have two problems with AA when it comes to medical school the first is procedual, the other is more broad.

If AA occurs on the undergrad level to "level the playing field" for URMs, why does it need to be leveled again at the next level? If AA is needed for graduate schools it fails at the undergrad level, so something has to be fixed.

Finally, I have no problem with URMs who generally did come from bad experiences and have worked their way up to where they are; however I know just as many URMs who come from backgrounds equal to or better then mine and are lazy because they know there going to get in at lower scores. In order to be truely fair AA should be based on economic level, not race; that way URMs who actually need AA will still recieve it, along with whites who come from an equally poor background and the freeloaders will be elimanated.

 

[Shredder]

If AA occurs on the undergrad level to "level the playing field" for URMs, why does it need to be leveled again at the next level? If AA is needed for graduate schools it fails at the undergrad level, so something has to be fixed.

the playing field has to be leveled at every level, even the job market=equal opportunity employment.

I think the problem is non-urm students really think med schools are taking in any URM just for the sake of diversity with WAY below average stats.

see mdapplicants and ask around, it happens all the time

My plea: don't judge people based on what they look like.

exactly--tell that to the adcoms

don't be surprised if that top grade announced/posted in class was made by the URM sitting next to you.

has never happened to me in my personal experience. oftentimes special "review" sessions are created for "disadvantaged" applicants where answers are basically handed out, no joke, i have heard of it. no im not going to pull up articles and research papers to prove it. theres something called PC that prevents things like this from ever being published.

 

[visualwealth]

the playing field has to be leveled at every level, even the job market=equal opportunity employment.

see mdapplicants and ask around, it happens all the time

exactly--tell that to the adcoms

has never happened to me in my personal experience. oftentimes special "review" sessions are created for "disadvantaged" applicants where answers are basically handed out, no joke, i have heard of it. no im not going to pull up articles and research papers to prove it. theres something called PC that prevents things like this from ever being published.

Wow cocky!!

you will be humbled sooner or later!!

Probably after the whole app process

Since we are speaking of MD apps, what about the non-urms with average stats that get great acceptances??? oh yeah! in their case "its not all about numbers".

 

[2tall]

Affirmative Action has been covered ad nauseum.

How does everyone feel about interracial dating? 😎

 

[Dr.Pdizzle]

"don't be surprised if that top grade announced/posted in class was made by the URM sitting next to you." hmmm I have never seen this happen before and I go to a school with 45,000 undergrads 🙄 maybe I'm just in all the easy classes

Besides, the majority of URM pre-meds at my undergrad get mucho red carpet treatment. We're talking free personal tutoring, course organized study sessions, sometimes different recitations with "special" TAs, worksheets and review material made that wasn't provided to the entire class, etc. I know this to be a fact as well (at least at my school) because I'm a Resident Assistant in a dorm and work with ethnic aides/URM and they have shown/told me about it.

Not like I care though, I think its good and I want to see URM do well. Kudos to anyone who understands the topic at hand, regardless of how you came to understand it. I'm just making a point that, maybe not at all instituitions, but at the one I attend, which is very large, this kind of stuff is provided to URM and not to the majority.

 

[dopaminophile]

So, the national MCAT average is around 24, and say the average for a particular medical school is 30. Say a URM who is the child of immigrant parents who only have an elementary level education. This person didn't have the luxury of going to the best schools, or benefitting from parents/family/sibling who went to college, let alone medical school. This URM couldn't even afford to take a PR or Kaplan class but managed to score 27 on the MCAT. That's 3 point above the national average and 3 points below the med school's average. Assuming that there are non-URM applicants who were accepted above and below that MCAT average score, how in the world did the URM "steal" or take somebody's spot? he or she is in league with the other students, right?

I don't usually post in AA threads because they get so hateful and out of hand very quickly, but you seem to be well spoken so I'll pose the question to you. If the use of AA is to correct for differences in economic opportunity, then why not base AA on economic background rather than on ethnicity? There certainly are poor white people that are just as much at a disadvantage as poor URMs.

The obvious answer, which can't easily be overcome, is that URMs face oppression based only on race that poor white people don't face. I still believe, however, that the primary manifestion of that race-based oppression is in economic opportunity. Regardless of origins, that leaves the disadvantaged URMs at the same disadvantage as economically oppressed whites. Assuming that's the case, then AA should be offered equally to those without opportunity, regardless of race.

One might say, also, that AA is needed to counteract the inherent prejudice against URMs in ADCOMs. I have a hard time believing that is the case anymore, but I don't want to toss it out just yet because I'm well aware that prejudice still exists in a very big way, even at the upper echelons of academia.

I had another thought on the subject but it fell right out of my head. Maybe after I eat dinner I'll remember and come back.

-dope-

 

[Shredder]

you will be humbled sooner or later!!

Probably after the whole app process

haha, sorry i dont think the adcoms are gods and will not be humbled by any silly logic they use, no matter what happens. im sure theyre all bitter people anyway, i dont think kids dream of growing up and serving on an adcom as a lifelong goal. like other people in undesirable positions (secretaries, and gatekeepers in general), adcoms will flex whatever muscles they have in fulfilling their whims about who to favor and not

 

[Touchdown]

I don't usually post in AA threads because they get so hateful and out of hand very quickly, but you seem to be well spoken so I'll pose the question to you. If the use of AA is to correct for differences in economic opportunity, then why not base AA on economic background rather than on ethnicity? There certainly are poor white people that are just as much at a disadvantage as poor URMs.

The obvious answer, which can't easily be overcome, is that URMs face oppression based only on race that poor white people don't face. I still believe, however, that the primary manifestion of that race-based oppression is in economic opportunity. Regardless of origins, that leaves the disadvantaged URMs at the same disadvantage as economically oppressed whites. Assuming that's the case, then AA should be offered equally to those without opportunity, regardless of race.

One might say, also, that AA is needed to counteract the inherent prejudice against URMs in ADCOMs. I have a hard time believing that is the case anymore, but I don't want to toss it out just yet because I'm well aware that prejudice still exists in a very big way, even at the upper echelons of academia.

I had another thought on the subject but it fell right out of my head. Maybe after I eat dinner I'll remember and come back.

-dope-

Here, here!

 

[Braveheart]

I have two problems with AA when it comes to medical school the first is procedual, the other is more broad.

If AA occurs on the undergrad level to "level the playing field" for URMs, why does it need to be leveled again at the next level? If AA is needed for graduate schools it fails at the undergrad level, so something has to be fixed.

Finally, I have no problem with URMs who generally did come from bad experiences and have worked their way up to where they are; however I know just as many URMs who come from backgrounds equal to or better then mine and are lazy because they know there going to get in at lower scores. In order to be truely fair AA should be based on economic level, not race; that way URMs who actually need AA will still recieve it, along with whites who come from an equally poor background and the freeloaders will be elimanated.

(spreading the gasonline on the flames)

I am African-American that believes in this concept. Most of my black friends had parents that were making 74,000 and paying for their education. They didn't have to work and had only school stuff to worry about. I had to go to work after class and couldnt meet with lots of study group. I had to study when I came home from working 10 hours at 12 am most days and I will sometimes come home at 7 am right before class started the next day. Then I will have to compete with those well off african american students that brag about their parents. Money determine a lot and i know that. So it will be sweet if a poor african american like me make a 30 plus on the MCAT. 😍 Oh well, I will compete and its just another challenge in my life.

 

[americanangel]

I don't usually post in AA threads because they get so hateful and out of hand very quickly, but you seem to be well spoken so I'll pose the question to you. If the use of AA is to correct for differences in economic opportunity, then why not base AA on economic background rather than on ethnicity? There certainly are poor white people that are just as much at a disadvantage as poor URMs.

The obvious answer, which can't easily be overcome, is that URMs face oppression based only on race that poor white people don't face. I still believe, however, that the primary manifestion of that race-based oppression is in economic opportunity. Regardless of origins, that leaves the disadvantaged URMs at the same disadvantage as economically oppressed whites. Assuming that's the case, then AA should be offered equally to those without opportunity, regardless of race.

-dope-

Well said! 👍
I believe that URM should be determined from an individual's economic condition, not a general grouping. In an earlier reply (I don't remember who posted it) someone stated, that it is more likely for URM and racial minorities to come from disadvantaged backgrounds and therefore they should be given an advantage. I have to disagree with that statement. To often then not, many poor whites aren't giving the same opportunity to compete with URM and the remaining population. In most cases, they seem to be lost in the system. In a perfect world, applications wouldn't ask for your race, gender, parent's income or other non-revelant information.
I still stand behind my earlier statement, race, gender, etc shouldn't even be a factor and we all should compete equally with one another!

 

[aragonh]

Besides, the majority of URM pre-meds at my undergrad get mucho red carpet treatment. We're talking free personal tutoring, course organized study sessions, sometimes different recitations with "special" TAs, worksheets and review material made that wasn't provided to the entire class, etc. I know this to be a fact as well (at least at my school) because I'm a Resident Assistant in a dorm and work with ethnic aides/URM and they have shown/told me about it.

Perhaps they were athlethes. I know UofA Basketball team gets all those "perks" you mentioned

 

[aragonh]

How does everyone feel about interracial dating? 😎

Im an Equal Opportunity Lover!!!!

 

[2tall]

Im an Equal Opportunity Lover!!!!

👍

Alright! That's 1 For! Is everyone else against it? 😱

 

[tank you]

👍

Alright! That's 1 For! Is everyone else against it? 😱

you are so hijacking this thread!
as for your question, i dont think anyone is against it anymore, its very common, and not just black/white, but all nationalities are mixing up, i think its good. i am definately for interracial dating. 👍

 

[2tall]

you are so hijacking this thread!

Naahhh. I wouldn't do that. I saw the topic...Affirmative Action. I definitely believe interracial dating is action of the affirmative kind.

Make Love Not War. 🙂

 

[visualwealth]

haha, sorry i dont think the adcoms are gods and will not be humbled by any silly logic they use, no matter what happens. im sure theyre all bitter people anyway, i dont think kids dream of growing up and serving on an adcom as a lifelong goal. like other people in undesirable positions (secretaries, and gatekeepers in general), adcoms will flex whatever muscles they have in fulfilling their whims about who to favor and not

You never answered the second part of my question thus, I will repost it.

"what about the non-urms with average stats that get great acceptances??? "

 

[KingofKats]

Keep it coming. We've almost solved the issue for good. This is an awesome thread 👍