Air Force HPSP contract question...signing day is next week!

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So I need a bit of advice from those who have gone through the HPSP for the Air Force. I am about to sign and swear in next week (I start school in Aug.). I was wondering before I sign are there things that that you think I should make sure are in the paperwork or something that you wish you had mentioned before you signed? I am just asking because my recruiter says it is a standard contract, however, I have never signed anything like this. I want to make sure that I cover all my bases and go in prepared. I would appreciate any advice!
Thanks
 
So I need a bit of advice from those who have gone through the HPSP for the Air Force. I am about to sign and swear in next week (I start school in Aug.). I was wondering before I sign are there things that that you think I should make sure are in the paperwork or something that you wish you had mentioned before you signed? I am just asking because my recruiter says it is a standard contract, however, I have never signed anything like this. I want to make sure that I cover all my bases and go in prepared. I would appreciate any advice!
Thanks

Its a standard contract. You cant get things added on or taken out. One thing I would make sure though, since youre already doing the 4 year HPSP, is that you are signing the paper for the critical skills accession bonus (or whatever iits called) because without that you dont get the 20k sign on bonus.
 
So I need a bit of advice from those who have gone through the HPSP for the Air Force. I am about to sign and swear in next week (I start school in Aug.). I was wondering before I sign are there things that that you think I should make sure are in the paperwork or something that you wish you had mentioned before you signed? I am just asking because my recruiter says it is a standard contract, however, I have never signed anything like this. I want to make sure that I cover all my bases and go in prepared. I would appreciate any advice!
Thanks

I've wished so many times that someone had done this for me all those years ago when I was in your exact situation. So here goes:

"Hello, you don't know me, but I know you. Well, the future version of you. This message is from the version of you who's six years in the future, got shoved into a GMO/FS billet, and is currently stuck in a poorly manned and supported clinic out in the middle of nowhere, seeing patients he has no business seeing while answering to a malignant bunch of nurse commanders who love to irritate him for fun and would love nothing better than to see his medical license permanently destroyed.

The future version of you has managed to distill all of his unhappiness into a telepathic message back in time to this point in 2011, to tell someone, anyone, to get you to change your mind about signing that HPSP contract. My mind was unusually open last weekend due to heavy consumption of alcohol, and I received this message from the 2017 version of you."

Run.
 
Its a standard contract. You cant get things added on or taken out. One thing I would make sure though, since youre already doing the 4 year HPSP, is that you are signing the paper for the critical skills accession bonus (or whatever iits called) because without that you dont get the 20k sign on bonus.
Thanks..I didn't realize that they couldn't add/remove anything from the contract. I had the impression after reading through SDN that there were things that you had to make sure were in there (hence all the "get that in writing"). Good to know about the bonus.
 
I've wished so many times that someone had done this for me all those years ago when I was in your exact situation. So here goes:

"Hello, you don't know me, but I know you. Well, the future version of you. This message is from the version of you who's six years in the future, got shoved into a GMO/FS billet, and is currently stuck in a poorly manned and supported clinic out in the middle of nowhere, seeing patients he has no business seeing while answering to a malignant bunch of nurse commanders who love to irritate him for fun and would love nothing better than to see his medical license permanently destroyed.

The future version of you has managed to distill all of his unhappiness into a telepathic message back in time to this point in 2011, to tell someone, anyone, to get you to change your mind about signing that HPSP contract. My mind was unusually open last weekend due to heavy consumption of alcohol, and I received this message from the 2017 version of you."

Run.

I'm confused. Seems like the majority of the Navy and AF Flight Surgeons get stuck in clinics dominated by cowmanding murses/nurses. Aren't you all SME's? How are these nurses/murses in your chain of command and what power do they have? Aren't you simply working in the clinic where they park their size 25 derrieres?

-61N
 
I wish the contract had given a black box warning:

DESPITE WHAT YOU THINK, THE MILITARY DOES NOT HAVE YOUR INTERESTS IN MIND AND WILL FORCE YOU INTO A SPECIALTY YOU DON'T WANT, PAY YOU SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN YOU'RE WORTH, AND WATCH ALL OF YOUR SKILLS DIMINISH.
 
I'm confused. Seems like the majority of the Navy and AF Flight Surgeons get stuck in clinics dominated by cowmanding murses/nurses. Aren't you all SME's? How are these nurses/murses in your chain of command and what power do they have? Aren't you simply working in the clinic where they park their size 25 derrieres?

-61N

Nope, not all SME's. Wish we were. But many flight surgeons are stuck actually as members of the medical groups. Meaning the nurses are in our chain of command, sign OPRs, cancel leave...all the bad things that commanders can do, they do.
 
So I need a bit of advice from those who have gone through the HPSP for the Air Force. I am about to sign and swear in next week (I start school in Aug.). I was wondering before I sign are there things that that you think I should make sure are in the paperwork or something that you wish you had mentioned before you signed? I am just asking because my recruiter says it is a standard contract, however, I have never signed anything like this. I want to make sure that I cover all my bases and go in prepared. I would appreciate any advice!
Thanks



If you have not read through the forum do so thoroughly over the next day.

YOU ARE SIGNING YOUR LIFE AND CARRER AWAY TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE YOUR INTERESTS AT MIND.

If you are ready to potentially not do the specialty that you want, in a place that you do not want, and with people you may not be able to stand, and situation that may potentially last way more than the 4 yrs you originally signed up for.

This is not rocket science. Its the basic tenant that the military works on. Their needs will be met first and foremost.

I wish you luck on this life changing fork that you are at. Ask yourself the real hard question of why you want to do this? If anywhere near the first 5 reasons is money, then you have to do more thinking.

let me know if you have any questions.
 
I think there's not much point in trying to dissuade someone from signing a contract with only days until that fateful day. I probably wouldn't have changed my mind if people had told me what I now know. I'd write them off as bitter people who are always unhappy with everything in their life. But I'd wish I had listened to those who might have told me the horror stories. Now, I refer to the day I signed my HPSP contract as "the day I made the worst decision I've ever made". I don't regret many things in life, but I do regret taking this scholarship. I too am stuck in a clinic with crazy, incompetent nurse commanders as my bosses. They make life hard on a daily basis.

But, if more people keep taking the scholarship, that saves me from being stop-lossed. So, please sign it and enjoy the money during med school.
 
"Hello, you don't know me, but I know you. Well, the future version of you. This message is from the version of you who's six years in the future, got shoved into a GMO/FS billet, and is currently stuck in a poorly manned and supported clinic out in the middle of nowhere, seeing patients he has no business seeing while answering to a malignant bunch of nurse commanders who love to irritate him for fun and would love nothing better than to see his medical license permanently destroyed.

The future version of you has managed to distill all of his unhappiness into a telepathic message back in time to this point in 2011, to tell someone, anyone, to get you to change your mind about signing that HPSP contract. My mind was unusually open last weekend due to heavy consumption of alcohol, and I received this message from the 2017 version of you."

Run.

Brilliant. I wish I had received a similar message from the future me before that fateful day when I made the enormous mistake of signing that contract.
 
Thanks..I didn't realize that they couldn't add/remove anything from the contract. I had the impression after reading through SDN that there were things that you had to make sure were in there (hence all the "get that in writing"). Good to know about the bonus.

You're making a wise choice my young friend.

Some tips to prepare you for your payback years as a GMO/FS:

a. Have the ward nurses do your 3rd and 4th year clinical evaluations.
b. Shred all of your textbooks dealing with interesting pathology or disease processes.
c. Spend some afternoons at the DMV - good practice for dealing with .Mil bureaucracy!!
d. Cultivate mediocrity in everything you do.
e. Shadow a Middle School Nurse. Depending on the billet you get, this might be the most important/relevant training you can get. Does Johnny really have a bellyache or does he just want to go home early??

Seriously, do not take this "scholarship." You're career hasn't even begun and you are about to sign it away.

-61N
 
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You're making a wise choice my young friend.

Some tips to prepare you for your payback years as a GMO/FS:

a. Have the ward nurses do your 3rd and 4th year clinical evaluations.
b. Shred all of your textbooks dealing with interesting pathology or disease processes.
c. Spend some afternoons at the DMV - good practice for dealing with .Mil bureaucracy!!
d. Cultivate mediocrity in everything you do.
e. Shadow a Middle School Nurse. Depending on the billet you get, this might be the most important/relevant training you can get. Does Johnny really have a bellyache or does he just want to go home early??

Seriously, do not take this "scholarship." You're career hasn't even begun and you are about to sign it away.

-61N

My requested bullseye smilie has still not appeared. Here: 👍

"E" gets more true every day. I have become such a cynical bastard that my history-taking for musculoskeletal sick call visits goes like this:

(Technician has put on chart that 21 y/o pt is here for knee pain. Walk into room. Pt rises to meet me. He is fully clothed, and his knee shows no obvious sign of injury as he moves towards me.)

Me: Knee problems huh?
Patient: Yeah, doc.
Me: Have a seat on the exam table. Tell me how this happened.

(Patient rambles on about long and colorful history of knee pain as I conduct a full and aggressive knee exam. Patient does not once draw breath in pain as I jack with his knee, but continues to ramble on about debilitating pain.)

Pt: ...and that's what happened.
Me: When's your next PT test?
Pt: Uh...tomorrow.
Me: Uh-huh. I'm giving you a thirty day no running profile as well as a referral to physical therapy. Go to all of the appointments and get yourself in shape. If I find out you missed any, I'm cancelling the profile and telling your commander that you're now eligible to be tested that day.

(Pt scampers out of room like frightened chipmunk.)

You gotta be firm. If you let the young'uns pull crap like this, we'll be overrun by the Chinese by the end of the decade.
 
I'm now nearly a year out of the military. I work 2/3rds as much for twice the pay, live in a city I want to live in, practice the type of medicine I desired among a population with real disease, live in a house 3 times the size the one I lived in while on active duty and drive twice the car. I now have a boat and put thousands of dollars toward retirement every month. I no longer go to work wondering if I will be deployed today for 6+ months with 2 days notice. No one outranks me at the hospital. There is a lounge with free (good) food 24 hours a day and a free masseuse that comes in 3 times a week. I have my own parking spot 50 feet from the door. My nurses and techs have years of experience, yet don't move to a different part of the hospital every year or two or to another part of the country. I work in an ED I am proud of and don't feel like I have to routinely apologize to my friends who go there for the care they received. It was built within the last couple of years, instead of the 70s, and has walls and doors between patients, rather than flimsy drapes.

I have yet to regret my decision to get out. I hope your medical school is really expensive.
 
I'm now nearly a year out of the military. I work 2/3rds as much for twice the pay, live in a city I want to live in, practice the type of medicine I desired among a population with real disease, live in a house 3 times the size the one I lived in while on active duty and drive twice the car. I now have a boat and put thousands of dollars toward retirement every month. I no longer go to work wondering if I will be deployed today for 6+ months with 2 days notice. No one outranks me at the hospital. There is a lounge with free (good) food 24 hours a day and a free masseuse that comes in 3 times a week. I have my own parking spot 50 feet from the door. My nurses and techs have years of experience, yet don't move to a different part of the hospital every year or two or to another part of the country. I work in an ED I am proud of and don't feel like I have to routinely apologize to my friends who go there for the care they received. It was built within the last couple of years, instead of the 70s, and has walls and doors between patients, rather than flimsy drapes.

I have yet to regret my decision to get out. I hope your medical school is really expensive.

Is 83K a year in cost of attendence + wife and kids to support expensive enough?

I've read a lot of don't-do-HPSP posts, but for some reason this one struck a chord. I've been having a really hard time deciding about the army HPSP. I wish there were more at least somewhat marginally satisfied people who posted about HPSP.
 
I wish there were more at least somewhat marginally satisfied people who posted about HPSP.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=790941

This is a substantial (read very complete) and current review by an Army HPSP recipient in FP. Considering that he has his boots on the ground right now, I took him to be at least "marginally satisfied." Not overjoyed, but fair.

"Life is pain. Anyone who says different is selling something!" :laugh:
 
Is 83K a year in cost of attendence + wife and kids to support expensive enough?

I've read a lot of don't-do-HPSP posts, but for some reason this one struck a chord. I've been having a really hard time deciding about the army HPSP. I wish there were more at least somewhat marginally satisfied people who posted about HPSP.

There are a few "marginally" satisfied people. As a rule, I count myself as generally happy with my choice to join the Navy. Not completely thrilled about being deployed...again, but over the past 17 years the Navy has been pretty good to me and my family. I have not regretted my decision. My wife and I both came from military families, so we had reasonable expectations.

I will say that the military is different from when I joined. 10 years of armed conflict in multiple parts of the world have really stretched our forces. Many of us have deployed 2 or more times (this is my 4th since 9/11). Missing time at home can be difficult. It has been said before, and I will say it again. If you have no interest in being in the military, you should stay away. No amount of money will make you feel better about your decision when you are stuck in some mudhole eating MREs twice per day and showering twice per week.(most spots are better than that, but being dramatic to illistrate the point) When you join, you are IN the military, you don't WORK FOR the military. You give up a fair amount of control of your life to the needs of the service. They do try to make your needs and their needs match, but does not always work to your benefit.

So positives:
You are joining the largest Fraternity on the planet. It will give you a connection with a vast number of people.
Interesting experiences, often in foreign lands.
Great patient population
Travel opportunities
Service to the nation
Paid for medical school, but it should not just be about the money.

Some negatives:
Your assignment may not be what you want or where you want.
May or may not get straight through training. (GMO land)
If you don't like it, you are stuck and have to ride it out.
Separation from family during deployments.

Yes, most of the active posters (who are actually practicing as docs) on this site are negative. What they really want is for you to make an informed decision with the understanding taking the scholarship is not all Nirvana, where you get everything you want pay back your time in a cushy clinic/hospital and move on with your life from there. It is quite possible there will be bumps and detours in the road. If you can handle that, perhaps the scholarship is for you. It was for me. (and I went to a cheap state school)
 
Is 83K a year in cost of attendence + wife and kids to support expensive enough?

I've read a lot of don't-do-HPSP posts, but for some reason this one struck a chord. I've been having a really hard time deciding about the army HPSP. I wish there were more at least somewhat marginally satisfied people who posted about HPSP.

$83K*4=$332K That's a lot of debt. You will not be able to do primary care with debt like that. If primary care is your thing, the military may be a good route.

But keep this in mind, the military may not pay you $83K a year. It's tuition, plus fees and books, and the stipend. I'm not current, but I think that's around $1900 a month. So $1900*12=$22800. If your tuition is $45K, add on the stipend for $67800 and if you really need $83K you'll still have to take out another $15K a year ($60K total) in loans. That would really suck to have an HPSP commitment AND loans.

So here's my advice-get a job. You AND your wife. Live in a two bedroom apartment, kids in one room you in the other. Drive beaters for the next 10 years. Apply for any scholarship you can get. Hit up your parents and your rich uncle for dough. Reduce your loans to under $200K. Preferably less.

I had classmates 10 years ago that could have had the HPSP scholarship and still taken out $100K in loans with the way they lived high on the hog. 4 bedroom house, nice cars, nice vacations, 3 kids etc.

BTW, based on your comment about the money I can almost guarantee you'll be unhappy in the service.

P.S. I am marginally satisfied. It was a reasonably good experience. I made some good friends. I had a few unique experiences. I have no debt. Would I do it again? Nope. The reasons I went in turned out to be unachievable. Who knew? I wanted to live in a foreign country-sorry, can't do that your first tour in the AF EM service. I wanted to have some adventure-nope, can't even go off base when deployed, even if you're in a friendly South American country. I wanted to be able to practice the specialty I trained for-doesn't exist in the air force. All the AF EDs are glorified urgent cares. The money wasn't a big deal. Sure, I was only making half as much as my residency classmates were when they got out, but it was still 3 times what I made as a resident. Without the loans I thought I was living like a king. Of course, now I actually do live like a king. A king that has to work 3 or 4 night shifts a month anyway.

P.P.S. Get into a different school. Surely you're not so inept that you can only get into expensive medical schools, no? I don't understand why people don't apply to all the cheap schools out there. An extra 10 applications at $100 a pop is nothing compared to going to one that costs $10K more a year. Or is located in Manhattan or San Francisco.
 
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There are a few "marginally" satisfied people. As a rule, I count myself as generally happy with my choice to join the Navy.

Wow thanks NavyFP. I've never seen such a positive post from you before.

What they really want is for you to make an informed decision with the understanding taking the scholarship is not all Nirvana, where you get everything you want pay back your time in a cushy clinic/hospital and move on with your life from there. It is quite possible there will be bumps and detours in the road. If you can handle that, perhaps the scholarship is for you.

I think I can handle that.

No amount of money will make you feel better about your decision when you are stuck in some mudhole eating MREs twice per day and showering twice per week.

Even if I do get a crappy deployment where my skills atrophy, I can't help but feel that the 8 previous years where my family was able to function without near the level of monetary stress are bound to make me feel somewhat better. Plus the whole gig about serving the troops and country and stuff might help.

If your tuition is $45K, add on the stipend for $67800 and if you really need $83K you'll still have to take out another $15K a year ($60K total) in loans. That would really suck to have an HPSP commitment AND loans.

Yeah it would. I actually just asked financial aid about what HPSP would cover and am waiting to here back. There's things like computer fees, other fees, notetaking services, etc included in the COA that I don't know if will be covered. There's about 3K of transportation/commuting that I know isn't included, and others like a 1K grad plus loan fee just don't apply.

So here's my advice-get a job. You AND your wife. Live in a two bedroom apartment, kids in one room you in the other. Drive beaters for the next 10 years. Apply for any scholarship you can get. Hit up your parents and your rich uncle for dough. Reduce your loans to under $200K. Preferably less.

I'm not sure I'd really want to work in medical school. Seems like I wouldn't make enough money to be worth less time with the family and less time for research or other match-beneficial things. My wife doesn't want to work; we don't want daycare raising our kids. We are and will continue to be thrifty, however.


P.P.S. Get into a different school. Surely you're not so inept that you can only get into expensive medical schools, no? I don't understand why people don't apply to all the cheap schools out there. An extra 10 applications at $100 a pop is nothing compared to going to one that costs $10K more a year. Or is located in Manhattan or San Francisco.

2010 Tuition
https://services.aamc.org/tsfreports/report.cfm?select_control=PRI&year_of_study=2011
https://services.aamc.org/tsfreports/report.cfm?select_control=PUB&year_of_study=2011

1997 Tuition
https://services.aamc.org/tsfreports/report.cfm?select_control=PRI&year_of_study=1998
https://services.aamc.org/tsfreports/report.cfm?select_control=PUB&year_of_study=1998

Good advice, but there's not as many cheap schools as you might think. Tuition has skyrocket since you applied, and it's also much more of a crapshoot to even get in now than it used to be. Very high scores/GPA aren't the guarantee they once were. In hind site, there might be a few more schools I could have applied to for cheaper tuition, but nowadays I think the primary goal is to get in--period--not to get into a cheaper school.
 
Sounds like you want everything and want to cut sacrifices to the minimum. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't see that kind of thinking leading to a satisfying career in the military. If you peruse the threads you'll notice that the ppl who enjoy being military docs prioritize service for country and have high tolerance for limitations on their freedom of choice and are happy making sacrifices (even if it's not voluntary). The ppl who value their freedom in career path and want a more comfortable life either stay civilian or regret the military path they've chosen.

I can see your line of thinking and it makes sense to a degree. At the same time, prioritizing family is in of itself a great sacrifice. We chose to have kids while I am still pursuing my undergraduate degree because it's that important to us. We live off scholarships, grants, and my TA salary. It means we have to be extremely thrifty, and it certainly, most definitely has limited our freedom. But I say it has been worth it for us and we don't regret it. And, if HPSP will help us get through the next 8 years of school and residency without the stress of 300K in loans over our shoulders, then the sacrifice of having less-than-comfortable the last 4 years of my commitment just might be a sacrifice I am willing to make. Everyone has said a gagillion times that you shouldn't just do it for the money, but I'm not going simply ignore the money and pretend it doesn't exist.
 
I can see your line of thinking and it makes sense to a degree. At the same time, prioritizing family is in of itself a great sacrifice. We chose to have kids while I am still pursuing my undergraduate degree because it's that important to us. We live off scholarships, grants, and my TA salary. It means we have to be extremely thrifty, and it certainly, most definitely has limited our freedom. But I say it has been worth it for us and we don't regret it. And, if HPSP will help us get through the next 8 years of school and residency without the stress of 300K in loans over our shoulders, then the sacrifice of having less-than-comfortable the last 4 years of my commitment just might be a sacrifice I am willing to make. Everyone has said a gagillion times that you shouldn't just do it for the money, but I'm not going simply ignore the money and pretend it doesn't exist.

You could always consider a 3 yr HPSP scholarship. they give lots of those out, just apply as early as you can.

You can see how your first years' loans stack up/lifestyle, etc to your liking/disliking. --if it isn't working then you'll have only 1 yr of loans (more manageable) and only 3 yrs of payback

You seem so worried about the cash. My UNhappiest days in the USAF MC were when I thought about any money at all.
 
LoL. Let me guess, you were single without family or children to provide for? And were you unhappy thinking about money because they didn't pay so well for the work you were doing? Eventually we have to think about the cash, some earlier than others. Prudent to think about it early on.

What he is trying to say is that joining the .Mil for the money is a terrible idea. Recruiters prey upon the fear of debt in order to entice pre-meds to sign up. They use it as a sort of cudgel. Student loan debt, while daunting (especially if one attends the newer, outrageously expensive D.O. schools) has been managed since the first medical student matriculated.

If one does well in medical school, and lives within their means, then the salary they will earn as an Attending will easily pay off the debts they incurred as a student, and then some. If you join the Military, especially the Air Force or Navy, you are looking at the very real possibility of 4 years as a GMO or Flight Surgeon, going back into residency 4 years late, and being 4 years behind your peers in the prime of your earning potential.

Furthermore, you cannot put a price on the personal havoc that a Military career can wreak on your life- extended separations, constant uncertainty, living in very undesirable places for the most part.

Military service is a noble calling, but it should not be undertaken lightly and without serious forethought. To me, taking the HPSP "scholarship" puts your career in jeopardy before it has even begun. How can anyone prognosticate accurately about their circumstances/aims 4 years in the future, as is done when you sign on that dotted line? So many things can change in the interim- specialty goals, marriage, children etc.

If you unequivocally place being an Officer at least on par with being a Physician, and money, whether debt or otherwise, is not even a peripheral concern, then you stand a good chance of being reasonably satisfied in the end.

The "scholarship" is a good deal for a select few. D.O. students come to mind because it opens up training opportunities. For most others, I would recommend looking into FAP or one of the other programs which allow you to join on your terms, after you've already obtained your hard-earned training in the specialty or field you desire.

-61N
 
What he is trying to say is that joining the .Mil for the money is a terrible idea. Recruiters prey upon the fear of debt in order to entice pre-meds to sign up. They use it as a sort of cudgel. Student loan debt, while daunting (especially if one attends the newer, outrageously expensive D.O. schools) has been managed since the first medical student matriculated.

If one does well in medical school, and lives within their means, then the salary they will earn as an Attending will easily pay off the debts they incurred as a student, and then some. If you join the Military, especially the Air Force or Navy, you are looking at the very real possibility of 4 years as a GMO or Flight Surgeon, going back into residency 4 years late, and being 4 years behind your peers in the prime of your earning potential.

Furthermore, you cannot put a price on the personal havoc that a Military career can wreak on your life- extended separations, constant uncertainty, living in very undesirable places for the most part.

Military service is a noble calling, but it should not be undertaken lightly and without serious forethought. To me, taking the HPSP "scholarship" puts your career in jeopardy before it has even begun. How can anyone prognosticate accurately about their circumstances/aims 4 years in the future, as is done when you sign on that dotted line? So many things can change in the interim- specialty goals, marriage, children etc.

If you unequivocally place being an Officer at least on par with being a Physician, and money, whether debt or otherwise, is not even a peripheral concern, then you stand a good chance of being reasonably satisfied in the end.

The "scholarship" is a good deal for a select few. D.O. students come to mind because it opens up training opportunities. For most others, I would recommend looking into FAP or one of the other programs which allow you to join on your terms, after you've already obtained your hard-earned training in the specialty or field you desire.

-61N

yup. totally hit it on the head. ditto and agree 110% with the above

I joined out of a distinct sense of wanting to serve (knowing some vague idea of going overseas) but also out of debtphobia. I joined while single w/o kids. FFWD into my GMO time and i had a wife and kids and deployment was WAY HARDER on them than it was on me.

my few less unhappy days in the .mil MC were those days I thought of service. I really did join to help out post 9-11 but found my "help" was sitting on my arse filling out forms and kowtowing to the clipboard toting RNs and clipboard-toting senior enlisted. (and the fact that 75% of my techs just plain sucked. They were not fit to be hired at McDonalds)

Debtophobia will continue and the non medical, enlisted recruiters will continue to collect rewards for every bright eyed and bushy tailed person they sign up. "don't worry about xyz" they promise about things they have no education for /insight into/idea about. they just need your warm body.

really--try out a year on your own. drive an 88 honda (or a motorcycle or bicycle) and eat ramen. And don't buy 1/2 of the books your profs list as required. then if you still want to join, then take a 3yr scholarship or join via FAP at the end.

good luck!
 
So I need a bit of advice from those who have gone through the HPSP for the Air Force. I am about to sign and swear in next week (I start school in Aug.). I was wondering before I sign are there things that that you think I should make sure are in the paperwork or something that you wish you had mentioned before you signed? I am just asking because my recruiter says it is a standard contract, however, I have never signed anything like this. I want to make sure that I cover all my bases and go in prepared. I would appreciate any advice!
Thanks


Just wondering if you could give us an update. Did you decide to continue on and sign your contract?

Thanks
 
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