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Always a good time for a poll. Please don't be shy!..After some advice, I've narrowed it down to two. So which school and why? I'm out of state so tuition isn't a huge factor.

That "feeling" that everybody talks about being the determining factor is really about the same for the both schools. It's going to come down to something that I haven't thought about yet.

I can honestly see myself at both schools.

Pretty evenly matched in terms of rank, with both being about mid-to-lower tier (I'm being real here).

I'm just looking for that opinion/suggestion/comment that hasn't crossed my mind that could sway me towards one or the other.

Votes and follow up opinions would be much appreciated. Thanks!..
 
Any location issues? One closer to family, friends....that kind of thing.
 
Cool people live in Michigan; if you're cool, go to Wayne.
 
JS15 said:
Always a good time for a poll. Please don't be shy!..After some advice, I've narrowed it down to two. So which school and why? I'm out of state so tuition isn't a huge factor.

That "feeling" that everybody talks about being the determining factor is really about the same for the both schools. It's going to come down to something that I haven't thought about yet.

I can honestly see myself at both schools.

Pretty evenly matched in terms of rank, with both being about mid-to-lower tier (I'm being real here).

I'm just looking for that opinion/suggestion/comment that hasn't crossed my mind that could sway me towards one or the other.

Votes and follow up opinions would be much appreciated. Thanks!..

I've only heard good things about Wayne state, and only bad things about Albany. So if you feel like basing your decision on third hand information, there it is.
 
No location or family issues. They're both about the same distance from home.

Dbhvt: what are the things you've heard about both albany and wayne? I've done as much searching on these forums as i can about both schools and have found nothing compelling that would make me choose one over the other. Not yet anyway...



dbhvt said:
I've only heard good things about Wayne state, and only bad things about Albany. So if you feel like basing your decision on third hand information, there it is.
 
dbhvt said:
I've only heard good things about Wayne state, and only bad things about Albany. So if you feel like basing your decision on third hand information, there it is.

Really? I haven't read anything good about Wayne State here, and really nothing about Albany except the admissions office people are really, really nice!
 
I interviewed at both schools, and I prefer Albany. Looking at their class list, they accept (empirically) candidates from very good schools like Yale, NYU, Columbia, Harvard, Cornell, etc. They are obviously not the top of their class at those undergrad instututions, but overall I felt that they were a mature and interesting crowd.

Plus Albany is a better location than Detroit.

Albany is super expensive unfortunately. But Wayne is also expensive for out of staters.

I would personally choose Albany.
 
Will you get the same patient exposure at both places? Wayne State faculty and students describe how involved you are during your rotations. Also, you see a lot of variety, both in pathology and in patient. Just something to consider.
 
DETROIT IS NOT AS BAD AS PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE!!! If you have never been to Detroit please don't say that Albany is a better place. There are a lot of great places to go in Detroit...Greektown, Corktown, Mexicantown...there are great venues for concerts (Magic Stick, Majestic Theatre, State Theatre, St. Andrews...I just saw the Strokes at the State Theatre). If you like Broadway type shows there are countless venues offering top-notch musicals and plays (Fox Theatre, Fisher Theatre, Detroit Opera House, Masonic Temple, Gem Theatre). Plus there are 3 pro sports teams playing in Downtown Detroit (Red Wings, Tigers and Lions) and the Pistons play in the suburbs. I can't think of any in Albany. It's always fun to go to a Detroit Tigers game regardless of how bad they are. Royal Oak, Ferndale and Birmingham are all great suburbs to go to if you want to get out of Detroit and go shopping or to bars (I'm actually going to Royal Oak tonight to party). The suburb of Troy is filled with great restaurants and the Somerset Collection, which is quite possible the nicest mall in the U.S. Filled with everything from Neiman Marcus to Louis Vitton (....if you like shopping). The NCAA Final Four is in Detroit in 2009 so if you go to Wayne you'll be right there for all of the festivities. Wayne State School of Medicine is known for having great clinical experiences for their students. I know for a fact you will see a wider range of cases in the Detroit Medical Center than you will see in any hospital in Albany. The Detroit Medical Center is not the only hospital that Wayne is affliated with. Royal Oak Beaumont and Troy Beaumont are both world-class hospitals (especially Royal Oak Beaumont). Wayne State's curriculum is set up so that there is a week of tests every 4 or 5 weeks instead of having a test every week, which I think is a lot more enjoyable than having a test every week. Huge amount of research opportunities if you are interested in that.

Sorry that my thoughts are all over the place...I was typing whatever came into my head. I am a little biased though because I'm from metro Detroit and I am going to Wayne State. Hope this helps.
 
I'm from Metro Detroit too. I was born and raised in Metro Detroit. Is Detroit awful? No...but then again I don't know of many places that are *awful*. I'm thinking of Detroit from my perspective. I'm now married and have kids, and I would rather live in a community that is more safe than what the city of Detroit has too offer. There are suburbs around Detroit that are nice, but then you are looking at a 30 minute commute to school every day.

Here are the differences...

1) Albany is not a commuter school, Wayne State is.
2) Wayne State will give you a more diverse exposure to patient problems as compared to Albany
3) Albany probably costs more than Wayne State when OOS tuitions are compared.
4) Albany is safer than Wayne State - remember that Wayne State students said they couldn't park their cars next to the med school because people will break into them.

There are more clubs, restaurants, shopping in Detroit than Albany, but Detroit is just not an appealing city to most people. There are completely abandoned 50 stories buildings in downtown Detroit. If you like that kind of urban living, then you will like Detroit.

I would still go to Albany over WSU.
 
JS15 said:
Dbhvt: what are the things you've heard about both albany and wayne? I've done as much searching on these forums as i can about both schools and have found nothing compelling that would make me choose one over the other. Not yet anyway...

Heresay, in a nutshell,

Wayne state: when you come out, you're gonna know your shiit and run circles around the other interns.

Albany: the administration/faculty don't give a danm about the students and if you piss them off by being too bright, they will do what they can to destroy your career.

This is just what I've heard. I wouldn't base your decision on it.
 
thegenius said:
I'm from Metro Detroit too. I was born and raised in Metro Detroit. Is Detroit awful? No...but then again I don't know of many places that are *awful*. I'm thinking of Detroit from my perspective. I'm now married and have kids, and I would rather live in a community that is more safe than what the city of Detroit has too offer. There are suburbs around Detroit that are nice, but then you are looking at a 30 minute commute to school every day.

Here are the differences...

1) Albany is not a commuter school, Wayne State is.
2) Wayne State will give you a more diverse exposure to patient problems as compared to Albany
3) Albany probably costs more than Wayne State when OOS tuitions are compared.
4) Albany is safer than Wayne State - remember that Wayne State students said they couldn't park their cars next to the med school because people will break into them.

There are more clubs, restaurants, shopping in Detroit than Albany, but Detroit is just not an appealing city to most people. There are completely abandoned 50 stories buildings in downtown Detroit. If you like that kind of urban living, then you will like Detroit.

I would still go to Albany over WSU.


Go to wayne. You can't even compare the training. You will get much better training at wayne- it is the biggest medical school in the nations and is connected to the most hospitals. It is in top20 for NIH research funding. Students do park next to the med school (across the street). All students get secure covered parking. About 1/3 of the class lives downtown. Detroit is not as bad as it was 20 years ago. The other things I like about wayne:
1) only focus on 2-3 subjects at a time
2) exams only once a month
3) they give you all the notes (Everything you need to know for exams is in the notes)
4) all lectures are available online as streaming videos or mp3s
5) all powerpoints are available online
6) old exams are also available online.

Do a search, there is a website made by a WSU student on where to live downtown. PM me if you want a matchlist. WSU grads go all over the nation in many different specialities (i.e. 25 in radiology). Good luck...
 
Doctor&Geek said:
No, they aren't - they're #53.

http://grants1.nih.gov/grants/award/rank/medttl04.htm

(but still, about 6x Albany's funding level).

My mistake... I meant #22 for "total research expenditure" in the health sciences.

"The school ranks 22nd in total research expenditures in health sciences with a research portfolio of about $137 million annually, according to the National Science Foundation."

http://www.med.wayne.edu/about_the_school/

They were just under 20 last year (the last time i looked at this page)...
 
fun8stuff said:
My mistake... I meant #22 for "total research expenditure" in the health sciences.

"The school ranks 22nd in total research expenditures in health sciences with a research portfolio of about $137 million annually, according to the National Science Foundation."

http://www.med.wayne.edu/about_the_school/

They were just under 20 last year (the last time i looked at this page)...

That's hard to believe as well, considering that the #22 school in the NIH tables gets $170 million annually from the NIH alone.

Citation?
 
I got accepted to both Wayne State and Albany. I think I would go with Wayne State even though their class size is now around 300. There are many opportunities in Detroit to volunteer, perform research, and get great rotations. My freind at Albany told me not to go to AMC because the students don't help each other (i.e. competitive), its expensive, poor facilities, the only thing to do is drink on Lark St., etc. Hope this helps!!
 
fun8stuff said:
Go to wayne. You can't even compare the training. You will get much better training at wayne- it is the biggest medical school in the nations and is connected to the most hospitals. It is in top20 for NIH research funding. Students do park next to the med school (across the street). All students get secure covered parking. About 1/3 of the class lives downtown. Detroit is not as bad as it was 20 years ago. The other things I like about wayne:
1) only focus on 2-3 subjects at a time
2) exams only once a month
3) they give you all the notes (Everything you need to know for exams is in the notes)
4) all lectures are available online as streaming videos or mp3s
5) all powerpoints are available online
6) old exams are also available online.

Do a search, there is a website made by a WSU student on where to live downtown. PM me if you want a matchlist. WSU grads go all over the nation in many different specialities (i.e. 25 in radiology). Good luck...
I interviewed at Albany two days ago and I don't really see how you come to your result. Your points 1-6 are also the case at Albany. Their systems-based curriculum is very focused, and in the 1st year, your exams are on about the same schedule. Notes, olds exams, PowerPoints - all given to you and are made available. In addition, it was made very clear to me that there are many opportunities for research. Granted, it is not immediately obvious by looking at US News, NIH, etc.. But RPI, one of the oldest engineering and technical colleges in the U.S., is 2 miles down the road (who's genetics dept. also just recieved a huge ananymous donation). One of my interviewers has joint appointments at both. There are 2 new research facilities on/near the campus. They have both MD/PhD and MD with distinction in research programs. It may be true that they don't have the greatest NIH budget, but I know for a fact that there are opportunities for those who want them.

About the training, AMC is the biggest hospital in a 2.5 hour drive radius. They're the only level one trauma center for that area - you're going to see lots of cases and lots of different cases.

Concerning copetitiveness, I didn't get that at all. Most of the students (+/- 1.5 std dev about the mean) will receive a 'good' grade, so there's no need to be competitive or not help your fellow students.

The facilities are fine. I thought that the interview feedback got this wrong as well. They have fine classrooms and lecture halls, all on par with any other univesity I've seen. The center is convoluted and mazelike at times, but that's because it's been added on to since the Civil War. Facilities don't last that long unless they are doing something right.

Lastly, I think Albany has a pretty good atmosphere for getting a medical education. I am not there to drink (see prev. poster) or party - I want a quality education. It's quiet enough for me to study, and for the few times I have off, I can see friends and family in Ohio, travel to New York or Boston for fun, or go skiing in the Adirondacks and Catskills. Without having to pay over $1000/mo. for rent in Boston.

In short, Albany impressed me as being a good school and my experience is opposite of many of the previous posters.
 
RxnMan said:
I interviewed at Albany two days ago and I don't really see how you come to your result. Your points 1-6 are also the case at Albany. Their systems-based curriculum is very focused, and in the 1st year, your exams are on about the same schedule. Notes, olds exams, PowerPoints - all given to you and are made available. In addition, it was made very clear to me that there are many opportunities for research. Granted, it is not immediately obvious by looking at US News, NIH, etc.. But RPI, one of the oldest engineering and technical colleges in the U.S., is 2 miles down the road (who's genetics dept. also just recieved a huge ananymous donation). One of my interviewers has joint appointments at both. There are 2 new research facilities on/near the campus. They have both MD/PhD and MD with distinction in research programs. It may be true that they don't have the greatest NIH budget, but I know for a fact that there are opportunities for those who want them.

About the training, AMC is the biggest hospital in a 2.5 hour drive radius. They're the only level one trauma center for that area - you're going to see lots of cases and lots of different cases.

Concerning copetitiveness, I didn't get that at all. Most of the students (+/- 1.5 std dev about the mean) will receive a 'good' grade, so there's no need to be competitive or not help your fellow students.

The facilities are fine. I thought that the interview feedback got this wrong as well. They have fine classrooms and lecture halls, all on par with any other univesity I've seen. The center is convoluted and mazelike at times, but that's because it's been added on to since the Civil War. Facilities don't last that long unless they are doing something right.

Lastly, I think Albany has a pretty good atmosphere for getting a medical education. I am not there to drink (see prev. poster) or party - I want a quality education. It's quiet enough for me to study, and for the few times I have off, I can see friends and family in Ohio, travel to New York or Boston for fun, or go skiing in the Adirondacks and Catskills. Without having to pay over $1000/mo. for rent in Boston.

In short, Albany impressed me as being a good school and my experience is opposite of many of the previous posters.

I do not know much about Albany. I was merely just commenting on what is at Wayne. Albany may have 1 big hospital, but Wayne is associated with 15-20 of these types of hospitals that they do not have to share with other medical schools. The Detroit area is so underserved that the students in 3rd year literally hit the ground running. The residencies at these hospitals favor Wayne grads. The clinical experience and research are probably the main differences.
 
I think a good chunk (up to 50?) of the AMC class are students who've won guaranteed admissions to the school from undergrads like RPI.
 
fun8stuff said:
I do not know much about Albany. I was merely just commenting on what is at Wayne. Albany may have 1 big hospital, but Wayne is associated with 15-20 of these types of hospitals that they do not have to share with other medical schools...
Don't take my comments as an offront - I stated that my experience showed that Albany also had these items you mentioned. I disagreed with what others had said.

The fact that Alabany Medical Center is one big hospital is good - they see everything. In addition, just because they have one big hospital doesn't negate the existence of other hospitals in the area. For (a different) example, CU hospital is attached to CU SOM, but that doesn't mean that Denver Health, Rose, Swedish, the VA, and assorted other area hospitals don't also host students. Similarly, AMC is one of many hospitals in a system. They just aren't easy to find.
fun8stuff said:
...The residencies at these hospitals favor Wayne grads...
This is the case for most schools. They take known good students over relative unknowns.
fun8stuff said:
...The clinical experience and research are probably the main differences.
Again, I think I could get the same research experience out of Albany as any other school. It's all dependent on the drive of the student and what they want out of their school time. Collaborations with other schools, like Renssaeler Polytechnic Institute, are just as important as research dollars.
 
RxnMan said:
Don't take my comments as an offront - I stated that my experience showed that Albany also had these items you mentioned. I disagreed with what others had said.

The fact that Alabany Medical Center is one big hospital is good - they see everything. In addition, just because they have one big hospital doesn't negate the existence of other hospitals in the area. For (a different) example, CU hospital is attached to CU SOM, but that doesn't mean that Denver Health, Rose, Swedish, the VA, and assorted other area hospitals don't also host students. Similarly, AMC is one of many hospitals in a system. They just aren't easy to find.
This is the case for most schools. They take known good students over relative unknowns.
Again, I think I could get the same research experience out of Albany as any other school. It's all dependent on the drive of the student and what they want out of their school time. Collaborations with other schools, like Renssaeler Polytechnic Institute, are just as important as research dollars.

agreed.
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the DMC and Wayne State recently go through a big 'divorce'? How is this going to affect the clinical experience for Wayne State students, if at all?

EDIT: Maybe this was just the orthopedics department...
 
Goose-d said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the DMC and Wayne State recently go through a big 'divorce'? How is this going to affect the clinical experience for Wayne State students, if at all?

EDIT: Maybe this was just the orthopedics department...

The contract between dmc and wayne was up at the end up march, so they had been in negotiation of a new contract over the last few months. The end of march came and they extended the current contract until December 2006, so they can continue to negotiation for the new contract. The bottom line is that it is all about money. The ceo of the DMC greedy. However, with the $200,000 that the DMC gets per resident and all the free labor it gets from med students, most people agree that the DMC could not survive without wayne. However, with all the other hospitals (15-20 in the area) wayne is associated with, wayne would have no problem if they lost DMC. I believe henry ford has already offerred to take more wayne students. So, there really isn't anything to worry about.
 
Bumping a 3y old thread...

Anyone have any opinions on this current day?
 
Bumping a 3y old thread...

Anyone have any opinions on this current day?

Wow 3yr old thread back from the dead. Rad.

So I did my undergrad in the Albany area and am now an M1 at Wayne...

Go to Wayne. It's a great school, great hospitals, tons of fun things to do in and around Detroit, and great suburbs (Grosse Pointe, Royal Oak.)

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Is the whole LCME at wayne going to be a problem that i should consider when choosing between schools?

I can't see myself doing primary care, I assume in that case Wayne state is better than albany. (more opportunities for research to get into a competitive residency)
 
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